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    Vaya Builds

    Thought I would start a thread of vaya builds. I still have some work to do and the photos are not the best (cell phone) but just to get started. I will try and get some better pictures tomorrow....enjoy...
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    a great start to Vaya

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    More info

    yeah I am really liking the fit so far, I hope to have it ready to go in a few days. I need to space out the crank a bit and get the cables run.

    For those wondering about the bar setup it is a profile T2 wing bar. I very very rarely ride in the drops on any of my road bikes and really like the wide flat tops of the wings for long distance riding. The upward bend at the tips gives a near hood feel as well. I have been running this setup on my langster for about two years now and really like the feel so wanted to try it on the Vaya. I may go back to a short and shallow drop but only time in the saddle will tell.

    Again, I will try and get some better pictures in a day or two.

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    Bump...

    I REALLY like the look and sensibility of your Vaya build!

    You know how some bikes you look at and when you see the details you think, "Yeah, that's nice... ohhhh, look what they did there... " It shows that someone had a nice vision for their bike and made it happen. That was what I thought when I looked at your bike. Nicely done!

    What tires have you got on that? how big are they?

    Also, could you put bar end shifters on the fronts of those bars - like on some TT/Tri setups? Just curious as it would have the shifters closer than the DT...

    Got a more recent pic? Full parts list? Weight?

    Anyone else?

    I'm hoping to give this a bump as I'd like to see what other folks are doing with their Vayas. Mine is awaiting some final paint work after the S&S couplers were put on!!!! I'm hoping to pick it up next Friday, get it built and out for a ride next weekend. It'll be a bit different as I'm going to give it a go with some Titec J-Bars, I've got a compact Rival crankset I found new for $95 and who knows what other goodies I might find to put on there... the Tubus Cargo was just ordered.

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    Thanks

    Thanks for the response.

    I have been busy at work and have not gotten to finishing up my build yet. I am also having some trouble getting the brakes dialed in. I am using BB7 road calipers and I think I need to try some higher quality/"stiffer" housing.

    As far as using "TT style" shifters, not with the brake levers I am using since they fit in the end of the bars, but with a different lever set you could. I tend not to shift much (to much time on my Langster) so having the shifters out of the way works for me.

    As for some specs on the build:

    * Gossamer compact crank with Rotor Q-rings
    * Avid BB7-road discs
    * 9-speed Dura-ace down-tube shifters
    * Ultegra front, XT shadow rear
    * Selle An-Atomica saddle
    * Richey seatpost & stem
    * XT disk hubs, Salsa Delgado Cross rims (36 spoke)
    * Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40c
    * Chris King headset
    * profile Design T2 wing handlebar
    * Cane Creek 200TT levers

    weight---Heavy, but so am I. It will be much easer to shed the weight off me ;-)

    Not a typical build but it suits me fine...if I can get the brakes to work. Now I just need to get off my ?#!, finish the build and take it for a couple of 100 mile spins :-)

    Can't wait to see pictures of your build...more pics of mine will make it here when I finally get it finished.



    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    I REALLY like the look and sensibility of your Vaya build!

    You know how some bikes you look at and when you see the details you think, "Yeah, that's nice... ohhhh, look what they did there... " It shows that someone had a nice vision for their bike and made it happen. That was what I thought when I looked at your bike. Nicely done!

    What tires have you got on that? how big are they?

    Also, could you put bar end shifters on the fronts of those bars - like on some TT/Tri setups? Just curious as it would have the shifters closer than the DT...

    Got a more recent pic? Full parts list? Weight?

    Anyone else?

    I'm hoping to give this a bump as I'd like to see what other folks are doing with their Vayas. Mine is awaiting some final paint work after the S&S couplers were put on!!!! I'm hoping to pick it up next Friday, get it built and out for a ride next weekend. It'll be a bit different as I'm going to give it a go with some Titec J-Bars, I've got a compact Rival crankset I found new for $95 and who knows what other goodies I might find to put on there... the Tubus Cargo was just ordered.

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    I have been using the Alligator "Bullet Proof Cable Kit" from Pricepoint for my BB7s on another bike an it is VERY stiff. So stiff I'm using full length housing and it's my new favorite housing ...

    Plenty of room for the Marathon 40s? I'm thinking of Marathon XRs also 40s.

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    Marathon 40s

    I will look into that. Thanks for the suggestion. I run Avid flak jackets on my two mountain bikes (both with BB7 Mtn disks but not full length housing.) My Fargo is using Mtn BB7 disks but with standard housing, Cane Creek Drop V levers, and full length housing. The brake feel on it is not the best but works. I will have to try better housing and see if that makes a difference.

    As for the Marathon 40s on the Vaya there is plenty of room for the tire but fender clearance with them, might be a bit tight. I would probably go with 35s or 32s on the Vaya but had the 40s from my Fargo setup. Now that I have the Vaya my Fargo will be setup more for off-road adventuring. The original plan was to have two wheel sets for the Fargo, one for road, one for off-road. Now my second wheel set has grown a Vaya.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    I have been using the Alligator "Bullet Proof Cable Kit" from Pricepoint for my BB7s on another bike an it is VERY stiff. So stiff I'm using full length housing and it's my new favorite housing ...

    Plenty of room for the Marathon 40s? I'm thinking of Marathon XRs also 40s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madonenm
    Now my second wheel set has grown a Vaya.
    Yup, my 29er wheelset (Bonty dusters on DT Hubs) did the same thing...
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    sorry, not feeling it.

    It looks like you are trying to compensate for a bike that is too small for you.
    Bullhorns on a touring frame makes me sad. Great if it works for you but not attractive in a traditional sense IMO.
    The wheel is a extension of the foot

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    different strokes

    I would have to agree with you that it looks odd. I have never really built my bikes for their looks, just their functionality and how well they fit me and my riding style. I may change over to a standard drop bar on this bike later, but for now I am trying the setup I have wanted to try for a while now. As the chain-stay says, ride and smile, it is all good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Doom
    It looks like you are trying to compensate for a bike that is too small for you.
    Bullhorns on a touring frame makes me sad. Great if it works for you but not attractive in a traditional sense IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madonenm
    As for the Marathon 40s on the Vaya there is plenty of room for the tire but fender clearance with them, might be a bit tight. I would probably go with 35s or 32s on the Vaya but had the 40s from my Fargo setup. Now that I have the Vaya my Fargo will be setup more for off-road adventuring. The original plan was to have two wheel sets for the Fargo, one for road, one for off-road. Now my second wheel set has grown a Vaya.
    I'm doing the same thing with my Fargo now that I've got my Vaya built up. I actually sold my original Fargo and went a size down on my second Fargo (from an XL to a L) when I got my Vaya, since the Fargo is now a full-on mountain bike, with no gravel intentions.

    I'm running Schwalbe Marathon Extreme 40c tires too. I think there's plenty of fender clearance in there though... No reason to run something smaller. I'm running them tubeless too!
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    Nice Vaya

    like your build...now we just need to get some more pictures posted of other's Vayas to this thread. It is always interesting to see what choices different people make for their rides.

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    Can you guys please edit to add the sizes of your frames. It would be nice to know what the different sizes look like.
    I should be ordering my vaya frame this week.

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    Frame sizes

    Mine is a 56

    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    Can you guys please edit to add the sizes of your frames. It would be nice to know what the different sizes look like.
    I should be ordering my vaya frame this week.

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    I am looking at conti contact extralights for my build. Think the 42s will fit or should I do the 37s? Fenders may come into play later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madonenm
    Mine is a 56
    Hey madonenm,

    How tall are you and what's your inseam or pant size? I'm 5-10 and usually wear 31-32 inseam pants. I'm looking at either the 56 or 57, but am having a hard time deciding.

    Also, I live in ABQ so if you're headed this way anytime soon, I'd like to see your frame/bike if possible since nobody in town has any yet.
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    42 should fit

    42's should fit no problem but if it were me and I was going to run fenders I would go with the 37s. I will try and get some pictures posted in the next few days showing the clearance with the 40s. I hope to get things up and running this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    I am looking at conti contact extralights for my build. Think the 42s will fit or should I do the 37s? Fenders may come into play later.

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    About the same size it seems

    I call myself 5-10 with 32 pant size, but I think I am shrinking :-) I like the fit of the 56 and think it was the right choice for me. I live in Albuquerque as well, if you would like to take a look at the bike we can probably arrange something. I'll email you and we will see what we can work out.

    Quote Originally Posted by shile
    Hey madonenm,

    How tall are you and what's your inseam or pant size? I'm 5-10 and usually wear 31-32 inseam pants. I'm looking at either the 56 or 57, but am having a hard time deciding.

    Also, I live in ABQ so if you're headed this way anytime soon, I'd like to see your frame/bike if possible since nobody in town has any yet.

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    frame size...

    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    Can you guys please edit to add the sizes of your frames. It would be nice to know what the different sizes look like.
    I should be ordering my vaya frame this week.
    Mine is a 58... I'm 6'1" tall and have a 33.25-inch inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Mine is a 58... I'm 6'1" tall and have a 33.25-inch inseam.
    That's the size I just ordered. I am an inch shorter than you but about the same inseam. How is the standover? What size stem did you end up going with. I am thinking 90 or 100mm should do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    That's the size I just ordered. I am an inch shorter than you but about the same inseam. How is the standover? What size stem did you end up going with. I am thinking 90 or 100mm should do the trick.
    Standover is great, actually. There's excellent clearance, as far as I'm concerned.

    I went with a 100mm stem and the fit worked out great for me -- not too stretched out, but definitely not cramped either. There's plenty of room for my legs to move around when I'm climbing out of the saddle too, which is nice. That's a great thing about that Woodchipper handlebar too...

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    Anyone set one of these up with a porteur style rack? How does it work with the front disk mount?

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    sweet looking bikes

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    Yay I'm about to order mine tomorrow!!!

    mgersib, the bars you have on yours, are they the stock Bell Lap bars or are they the Woodchipper?

    I am not sure which to go with, and the LBS doesn't have Woodchippers in stock so it's kind of a guessing game

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    EDIT: Pics up!!!

    My new Salsa Vaya AIR

    Build list:

    Vaya frame (55) with S&S couplers installed & painted by daVinci Designs
    Cane Creek S-3 headset
    Wheelset: Bontrager Duster TLR rims (32 hole) laced to DT Swiss (Onyx rear, Stout front) hubs
    Schwalbe Marathon Cross tires
    Avid BB7 road calipers
    Alligator "Bulletproof" compression-less cable/housing set (Great cable set for BB7s!)
    Sram Rival Compact Crankset (34/50)
    Time ATAC Titan Carbon pedals (found for $90 - mislabeled?)
    Ultegra 10-speed shifters (like new on Craigslist for $125!)
    IRD 11-34 10-speed Cassette
    Wipperman 10s chain
    Salsa Bell Lap bars w/ Bonty stem (105 x 7deg)
    Cinelli gel bar tape
    Dura Ace front, XT rear derailleur
    Specialized carbon/zerts seatpost (from my Tarmac)
    Specialized Phenom saddle
    Rack: Tubus Cargo (to be added)
    Bags: Ortlieb Bike Packer Plus (to be added)
    Fenders - probably SKS chromoplastics... 45s or 50s still to be determined...

    weight w/ cages and no bags = 26.5 lbs.

    EDIT: I just noticed that my cable adjusters on the downtube are upside down
    That's fixed...

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    I have a 60cm-no photos-sorry. Using Woodchippers-awesome! I call it my Buddha-it has shown me the middle path-not road/not single track-but the dirt roads-i am finding a way to enlightenment....
    I really didnt think i would like it as much as i do with only one long ride on it-but i dialed in the fit-and had a magic day last sunday.I put a rear rack on today-im ready to disappear this summer-bike/flyrod and go into the wilds of swva and wv!
    i own a bikeshop in WV thetruewheelwv.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29buzz
    I have a 60cm-no photos-sorry. Using Woodchippers-awesome! I call it my Buddha-it has shown me the middle path-not road/not single track-but the dirt roads-i am finding a way to enlightenment....
    I really didnt think i would like it as much as i do with only one long ride on it-but i dialed in the fit-and had a magic day last sunday.I put a rear rack on today-im ready to disappear this summer-bike/flyrod and go into the wilds of swva and wv!
    sounds like an awesome idea. I plan to do the same if I ever get back to Montana

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    Salsa Vaya AIR!

    New build posted above... I'm calling it the Vaya AIR w/ the S&S Couplers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    New build posted above... I'm calling it the Vaya AIR w/ the S&S Couplers...
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    That's perrty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88 rex
    That's perrty!
    Especially now that I fixed the barrel adjusters!

    Thanks!
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    nice Toy!
    whats the advantage of S&S couplers, easy to pack on the bike box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabeRacer
    nice Toy!
    whats the advantage of S&S couplers, easy to pack on the bike box?
    Yup, with the S&S Couplers I can break the bike down to fit into a box (albeit an expensive box - like $300-$400+) that is 26x26x10 - this fits within the airlines maximum dimension (62") and doesn't incur any extra charge... I've got some friends that have a tandem and they have a couple of boxes that I can use. They also have a soft case

    Here's their very informative website:
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    Here are some pictures of my Vaya. It's a 60cm... I'm 6 3.5" tall and have a 36" pant inseam. The bike fits me perfectly and has been a joy to ride.

    These were taken while riding a 400K brevet last Saturday:





    And here is one of the Vaya in commuter mode:



    This frameset was built up with SRAM Rival components, BB7 brakes, Salsa S.U.L stem/Bell Lap bar, Cane Creek 100 headset, Salsa Shaft seat post, Brooks Swift Ti seat...and the wheels are Hadley hubs w/Stan's Flow rims. I too am running Schwable Marathon Extreme 40's. (Awesome tires...even on pavement!)

    I added a Tubus Cargo Expedition rack along with Deuter Panniers or an Axiom trunk bag - depending on what I might be doing.

    Salsa has really hit the mark with this bike. As soon as I read about it I ordered one and it's turning out to be one of the best all around bikes that I have ever owned.

    Gravel/Ultra Distance/Commuting - all good!

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    Very nice! Darn that looks HUGE compared to my 55! I'm I'm looking forward to seeing more builds!
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    Mine is coming together. Just need to put on the chain, brakes and shifters.

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    BigCircles,

    I can't tell you how glad I am you posted pictures of your bike. I would need a 60cm frame too and yours are the first pics I've seen in this size. I have to say Salsa is really dropping the ball in its advertisement/marketing/photos of their bikes...

    If it's not too much to ask...could you post a straight-on side profile pic of your bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieTX
    If it's not too much to ask...could you post a straight-on side profile pic of your bike?
    No prob... Here you go:






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    Thanks for posting those. Bike looks good, and very similar to the build I have in mind. I really wanted the older La Cruz but I'm starting to come around and like this bike the more I see it. It just doesn't appear very "photogenic" on Salsa's website.

    You wouldn't happen to know what the bike itself weighed before the accessories were added, do you? I'm guessing ~26 lbs? Are you happy with your BB7s and Rival brifter combo?

    Thanks again.

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    Heres Mine It's a 58cm frameset.
    Just finished it up today.







    Here is the build spec, I started with the complete bike salsa does and upgraded a few things.... It's pretty much final except for the headset spacers. I am waiting on matching ones to arrive. I may also eventually switch to a brown saddle. And I would like a silver seat clamp if anyone wants to trade for black. It came in right at 25lbs. Pretty good for a steel bike this big. All weights are verified by me except the brake cables which I just estimated. It cost me a couple hundred dollars more to do it this way but I got better brakes, lighter wheels, tires, rear derailleur, cassette and chain (and probably saddle).

    Frame Salsa Vaya 58cm 2375
    Fork Salsa Vaya 1025
    Headset Cane Creek 110 124
    Headset Sp. Cane Creek 110 65
    Stem Cannondale 156
    Seatpost Kalloy 27.2 320
    Seatpost clamp Salsa Lip lock 31
    Saddle Fizik Arione Tri 2 245
    Handlebars Origin 8 Gary 2 Silver 293
    Shifters Dura Ace Bar End 206
    Brake Levers Tektro R200A 283
    Brakes Avid BB7 Road 406
    Brake Rotors Shimano XT RT-79 160mm 270
    Wheelset Shimano WH-mt75 29er 1855
    Cassette Shimano XT 11-32 262
    Pedals Shimano pd-m540 350
    Crankset Shimano Tiagra 4550 175mm 36-50 858
    Bottom Bracket Shimano Tiagra 4550 95
    Chain Shimano 7701 288
    Rear Derailleur Shimano XT m770 SGS 235
    Tires Continental Contact Extra Light 700x37 945
    Tubes Maxxis Welter Weight 258
    Brake cables Jagwire 105
    Bar Tape / Grips Salsa Brown 64
    Front derailleur Tiagra 4550 28.6 117
    Skewers Shimano 127

    Totals: 11353g
    25.00 lbs
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    Nice build! Very Clean looking...

    You came in abut 1.5 lbs lighter than mine... though I've changed a few things and will need to re-weigh - I'm guessing the difference is mostly in the wheels, tires, tubes... the couplers add a bit of weight but mine's only a 55 ...

    Now it's time to get 'er dirty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieTX
    You wouldn't happen to know what the bike itself weighed before the accessories were added, do you? I'm guessing ~26 lbs? Are you happy with your BB7s and Rival brifter combo?
    Sorry - just saw this... Looks like lucifer has pretty much summed it up as far as weight goes. (Nice bike too!)

    I don't have a scale - but I imagine that ~26 lbs is close more or less.

    The BB7's and Rival setup work great....

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    I was basically just shooting for as light and good as possible within a reasonable budget. There aren't many "easy" weight savings I could do on mine, here are my thoughts for future upgrades..
    1. I guess I could pop for a thomson masterpiece seatpost that would save about 1/3 of a pound (the kalloy was $18 the thomson is what $140?)

    2. I suppose there may also be a lighter crankset around too (tricky to find 9sp and compact together) but again it would be a lot more money....

    3. I might eventually be able to get a UST commuter tire which might or might not save a few ounces over the current tire and tube set up.

    4. Someone might come out with a road lever for shimano hydros (yeah right in my dreams!) Part of the reason the vaya is so heavy is that those damn avid brakes weigh a ton and require long heavy cables and housing.

    The Vaya is a heavy bike. It's 5.5lbs heavier than my previous steel road bike. But then again it is also a lot more comfortable and a lot more capable. I was kinda thinking it would build up lighter than this, but overall I am very happy with the way it rides. There is a lot to be said for being able to bunny hop your roadbike up onto the curb and take off across the grass or gravel without thinking twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    Heres Mine It's a 58cm frameset.
    Just finished it up today.
    Looks really good, man... Nice build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Looks really good, man... Nice build.
    Thanks I am totally diggin it!

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    Really digging the builds, guys. Nice work all around. If you don't mind me asking, for the ones with Marathon Extremes - how are you liking them? Are they significantly slower on the road than the stock Conti's? I'm thinking of getting a set for my Long Haul Trucker, but that's my main concern. Otherwise, I think the on-road/off-road ability would be ideal. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd
    Really digging the builds, guys. Nice work all around. If you don't mind me asking, for the ones with Marathon Extremes - how are you liking them? Are they significantly slower on the road than the stock Conti's? I'm thinking of getting a set for my Long Haul Trucker, but that's my main concern. Otherwise, I think the on-road/off-road ability would be ideal. Thanks.
    Can't compare them to the Contis because I built the Vaya up from a frameset, but I love the Schwalbes... They're awesome tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Can't compare them to the Contis because I built the Vaya up from a frameset, but I love the Schwalbes... They're awesome tires.
    + 1

    i'm in the same boat. i've pushed the schwalbe's on the street for well over 200 miles on a couple of rides recently. they roll very well on the pavement (especially chip seal) - and are great in dirt too. (of course!)

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    Mine is a 58. I'm 6'1" with a 32" inseam and longish arms. The fit is really good. I built it up as a commuter and all purpose bike for Southern Wisconsin. I've only got about 50 miles on it so far, but I dig it.

    SRAM Rival kit, 34/50t, 11-28t cassette
    Avid BB7
    DT Swiss 340 29er wheels w/ Continental Top Contact 37 tires
    Salsa Shaft seatpost, Moto Ace SUL 100 mm stem, and 42 cm Woodchipper bar
    Cane Creek S3 headset
    Charge Spoon titanium saddle
    Salsa cork bar tape
    Crank Brothers Candy C pedals
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    Bought a full build from MWC in Lincoln today! Very excited to hit the trails with it next week after I move tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cej22
    Mine is a 58. I'm 6'1" with a 32" inseam and longish arms. The fit is really good. I built it up as a commuter and all purpose bike for Southern Wisconsin. I've only got about 50 miles on it so far, but I dig it.

    SRAM Rival kit, 34/50t, 11-28t cassette
    Avid BB7
    DT Swiss 340 29er wheels w/ Continental Top Contact 37 tires
    Salsa Shaft seatpost, Moto Ace SUL 100 mm stem, and 42 cm Woodchipper bar
    Cane Creek S3 headset
    Charge Spoon titanium saddle
    Salsa cork bar tape
    Crank Brothers Candy C pedals
    That thing looks great. Congratulations!!

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