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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark View Post
    Can someone recommend a semi-slick/lightly-treaded tires that measures an honest 38-40mm? I just picked up a pair of 700x40 Ritchey SpeedMax Cross tires, and they measure 34.25mm on 23mm rims.
    Try the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper in 700x38 (ETRTO 40-622). City Trekking « Categories « Vittoria I have the 700x35 (ETRTO 37-622) which measures 36.5mm on my rims that are 17mm interior width (Mavic A317). They are light and roll nicely. I only have a couple hundred miles on mine, but they seem like great tires.

    I'm also using WTB Pathways in 700x38 that are slightly over 40mm. WTB » Products - Tires - Hybrid - Pathway They have a bit more tread than you are probably looking for, and they are relatively heavy in the wire bead model I have, but they roll fine on pavement and also work great on gravel, where the rounder, slicker Vittoria wallows a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWS View Post
    Try the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper in 700x38 (ETRTO 40-622). City Trekking « Categories « Vittoria I have the 700x35 (ETRTO 37-622) which measures 36.5mm on my rims that are 17mm interior width (Mavic A317). They are light and roll nicely. I only have a couple hundred miles on mine, but they seem like great tires.

    I'm also using WTB Pathways in 700x38 that are slightly over 40mm. WTB » Products - Tires - Hybrid - Pathway They have a bit more tread than you are probably looking for, and they are relatively heavy in the wire bead model I have, but they roll fine on pavement and also work great on gravel, where the rounder, slicker Vittoria wallows a lot.
    I have a pair of 700x35 Hypers (37-622), and considered bumping up to the next size. that would have given me the necessary volume, but I wanted something with a little (more) tread.
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    Still having issues with my BB7s. I'm dying to start riding this bike for real, but a little leery of doing it while the brakes are so soft. I've only had it out for test rides. I put on all new cables/housing and still having the same issue. I did bed in the front brake, and that seemed to help a little, but it still requires pulling the lever all the way back to the bar to get full stoppage. Same for the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Still having issues with my BB7s. I'm dying to start riding this bike for real, but a little leery of doing it while the brakes are so soft. I've only had it out for test rides. I put on all new cables/housing and still having the same issue. I did bed in the front brake, and that seemed to help a little, but it still requires pulling the lever all the way back to the bar to get full stoppage. Same for the rear.
    I'm having those same problems. I end up following the setup instructions for the BB7s, but instead of backing the pads off the recommended amount, I set them up as tight as they can possibly be without rubbing. Set up like that, the feel is acceptable. I still wish my brifters had more travel...cuz if I set up the brakes tight enough to stop how I want, they rub like crazy when just riding normal.

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    Have you guys positioning the caliper/pads offset like the instructions recommend? If so, try adjusting the caliper/pads so that it's/they're roughly centered over the rotor. I found that worked better than the usual 1/3 - 2/3 spacing.

    Also, you're not going to want to hear this, but the Campy brifters/levers work much better than the Shimano/SRAM levers/brifters. I run them on my Vaya, and I get comfortable stopping from the hoods when the lever blades are about two fingers from the bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark View Post
    Have you guys positioning the caliper/pads offset like the instructions recommend? If so, try adjusting the caliper/pads so that it's/they're roughly centered over the rotor. I found that worked better than the usual 1/3 - 2/3 spacing.

    Also, you're not going to want to hear this, but the Campy brifters/levers work much better than the Shimano/SRAM levers/brifters. I run them on my Vaya, and I get comfortable stopping from the hoods when the lever blades are about two fingers from the bars.
    Personally, I'm not centering them...I'm getting them as close as I can without having them rub...on both sides.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    So I finally have my rear brake set well. Rotor needs to be bedded in but I can get the tire locked up now. I'm sure it will be excellent once it is burned in.

    Front one is still soft after readjustment. Maybe my housing is too long? Posted pics. Vaya still (unfortunately) in progress:




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    So I was about to buy a 54 inch Vaya today. and my shop is no longer allowed to sell them...

    few shops are... and they seem sold out online...

    I don't get it.

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    How big is your shop? My shop is a one man show and Salsa wanted him to buy ten bikes over the winter. He said no so he can no longer sell Salsa which is unfortunate.
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    around 7 to 9 employees they wanted him to buy 15.

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    Anyone with a suggestion on a 700c x 35(ish) tire that is a bit more aggressive for CX use? My Conti Cyclocross Speeds are just not cutting it on anything other than dry, hard surfaces.

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    Schwalbe - Professional Bikes Tires
    A Smart Sam is a good choice comes in a 35, 40, and 47 (I have the 47) does a decent job on the pavement and a hard wearing tire.

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    I'm not terribly concerned about pavement wear...this is going to be a CX only tire. For pavement, I've got the Cyclocross Speeds.

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    They would still then be a decent choice, the side knobs are quite profound.

    You can get a pretty good price on them through eBay got mine for about $20 plus free shipping.
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    If you're looking for a fairly large semi-slick for hardpack (that still corners well), I reviewed Kenda's Happy Medium here:

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    Sweet - definitely considering that tire.

    I took the fenders and rack off my Vaya and flipped the bars (again) to give it a cafe racer feel. Also considering a Big Dummy which would take the practicality-pressure off the Vaya.


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    The combination of a Big Dummy and a Vaya will cover the vast majority of your cycling needs...from cargo to cross to single track to commuting to road rides. You can even bomb the dummy down some pretty harsh trails (watch the break over angle, and good luck with jumps).

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    Good to know! I've been debating for months as to whether it's justifiable. I find I'm going to beach BBQs and such by bike, and bringing a cooler, chairs, bocce etc whenever possible.

    I have a Transition Bottlerocket that serves my MTB purposes - I live by the famous "north shore" trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    So I finally have my rear brake set well. Rotor needs to be bedded in but I can get the tire locked up now. I'm sure it will be excellent once it is burned in.

    Front one is still soft after readjustment. Maybe my housing is too long? Posted pics. Vaya still (unfortunately) in progress:

    Holy housing, Batman!! Yes, that stuff is way too long and cleaning it up will probably improve braking and shifting performance. Erring on the side of caution(extra housing) is always better than cutting it too short. IIRC, you mentioned in an earlier post that this is your first build, looks very good so far. Park tool and Shimano make very good housing cutters, if you keep riding you'll need them again.

    I got a hold of some 3M "clear-bra" as used on automobiles and used that to protect the paint on the head tube of my Vaya where the brake and shift cable housing rub. You can get small pieces from Griotsgarage.com or possibly some scraps from a local installer.

    I'll try to get some close-up pics later today if you think it may be helpful.

    Good luck with finishing up your build,
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    Sure, I'd love to see some pictures.

    This is my second run of cables. My first set I had the cables quite a bit shorter and I was having some issues with the cable hitting the head tube and getting tugged. This time I was trying to go for smooth, shorter loops as Sheldon recommends.

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    LostBoyScout -
    I dig that look of your Vaya...good luckin stuff!

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    This is my first post here, hello all, this is my Vaya I just finished up.
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    Nice! I attached a few pix of my build. Basically a complete, but went with a 50/34 up front, and BB7 brakes. Conti TravelContacts for rubber. Loving them so far. My first non-box bike so I am stoked. Local shop didn't have any black spacers, so I got some silver ones for now. I'll replace them one one of these days. Dragonsnack: note the housing lengths
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    Its a sweet bike! Even the bee thinks so, LOL!

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    Picked up a 42cm 31.8 Woodchipper today... stoked! Minimalist front rack up next

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    You guys are killing me! Nice bikes.

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    If you want a compact double with silver arms, I highly recommend Shimano's R4550. The spider is spaced for 9-speed rings/chains, but the R600 is basically the same thing but with 10-speed spacing.

    I'm running these on my Vaya with T.A. (34/46) rings and a Dura-Ace BB, and I'm really pleased with the performance.

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    New cockpit and seatpost! Waiting on black 31.8 Paul thumbies

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    Paul's Thumbies are so cool. Simple, effective and perfectly made. I just put some on my Mukluk and I love 'em. Clean look on the bars. I had forgotten how neat thumb shifters were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho View Post
    Paul's Thumbies are so cool. Simple, effective and perfectly made. I just put some on my Mukluk and I love 'em. Clean look on the bars. I had forgotten how neat thumb shifters were.
    They are amazing. I had a set of XT thumbshifters I had been using but somehow lost the front shifter. I have 25.4 thumbies which I've been running with my Metropolis bar while waiting for Paul to come out with 31.8 versions... hoping they are coming soon!

    Thinking of trying out a set of 40c Marathon Modials for spring.. I wonder if they'll fit with fenders?
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    The 'mini tour' mode - set up for a day ride. I bought a granny stem, it's embarrassing but comfortable. I cut my steerer when I had the metro bar, now it's a bit short


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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    The 'mini tour' mode - set up for a day ride. I bought a granny stem, it's embarrassing but comfortable. I cut my steerer when I had the metro bar, now it's a bit short
    Being comfortable means you will ride more, which is cooler than having a low stem and not riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    The 'mini tour' mode - set up for a day ride. I bought a granny stem, it's embarrassing but comfortable. I cut my steerer when I had the metro bar, now it's a bit short
    Vaya fashion police here. I'm afraid we're going to have to confiscate your Vaya, based on an illegal stem/bars combination. Please box it securely, and PM me for my address. I'm sorry, but we have no other choice.

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    How did you get that cage on your fork?

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    lol - lawfarm, if anyone doesn't need my Vaya, it's you! Your Vaya >> My Vaya

    The cage was just ghetto-installed by using the mid-blade fork hole for the top bolt in the cage, then ziptieing the lower portion.

    I was sad to see the V1 Fargo fork is 37mm longer than the Vaya fork, I was hoping a swap wouldn't change the geo too much but I'm sure it will with that much difference.

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    New question here. Vaya with 26" wheels

    What tires are people using? This is a mtb size tire but has a limit of 1.9 tire size listed on frame tech info.

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    I'm not sure what you are asking. The Vaya is not a MTB frame so the 1.9 limit is actually very generous. I've used 40mm to 35 mm personally but stock is 42mm which is 1.6".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho View Post
    I'm not sure what you are asking. The Vaya is not a MTB frame so the 1.9 limit is actually very generous. I've used 40mm to 35 mm personally but stock is 42mm which is 1.6".
    I have a 52 cm frame. They recommend 26" wheels as opposed to 700 at this size frame. A 52 cm frame has a tire size limit of 1.9 listed on the website on the "frame tech" page. So I'll ask it another way.......what's a good tire for gravel and dirt roads that meet these specifications and limitations? 26" rim/1.9 max tire
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    Sorry for the confusion...I don't have a small Vaya frame but I have a older ~MTB~ frame thats 26" which is now a commuter/tourer and I put Marathon Supreme 26x1.5 tires on it. I think they work better than the 1.75" tires I used prior. Honestly, I would think any width similar to whats used by the 700c crowd works. Hope that helps.
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    If anyone is still having issues with their Avid discs feeling soft, here is what I have found to make a HUGE difference.Center up pads just to the point they do not touch the rotor.Totally loosen the cable pinch bolt.Rotate the actuator arm (the arm that the cable pulls when braking) up the cable as if applying the brake by hand and then tighten the pinch bolt down. This preloads the tension on the cable and drastically improves lever feel.My road discs feel as good if not better than my mtb hydros now! I hope this helps someone out there because the difference is unbelievable!
    BTW ,I found this solution on a different forum,just can't remember exactly where or I would give credit where credit is due. If I haven't described this well enough,feel free to ask any questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midwesst View Post
    If anyone is still having issues with their Avid discs feeling soft, here is what I have found to make a HUGE difference.Center up pads just to the point they do not touch the rotor.Totally loosen the cable pinch bolt.Rotate the actuator arm (the arm that the cable pulls when braking) up the cable as if applying the brake by hand and then tighten the pinch bolt down. This preloads the tension on the cable and drastically improves lever feel.My road discs feel as good if not better than my mtb hydros now! I hope this helps someone out there because the difference is unbelievable!
    BTW ,I found this solution on a different forum,just can't remember exactly where or I would give credit where credit is due. If I haven't described this well enough,feel free to ask any questions.
    thanks for the tip - this is helpful info for sure....got my vaya frame in and am slowly getting parts together for the build. Still waiting on my BB7s but picked up some Shimano R400 levers from my LBS - they were confident that they would work with the Avids but after doing some searches and reviewing this thread I am not convinced that they will be suitable....anyone have any experience with these so I can return them if needed before I muck them up with an install?

    Thanks to everyone for posting their builds its been very helpful - will be sure to post up some pics as my build progresses

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    CBizzie,
    Those levers should be fine as long as you are using the road version of the BB7's or BB5's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midwesst View Post
    CBizzie,
    Those levers should be fine as long as you are using the road version of the BB7's or BB5's.
    OK great....thanks much for the quick response

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    Not really a tip as that what is says to do in the set up instructions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nachtjager View Post
    Not really a tip as that what is says to do in the set up instructions!
    I did not know that as I did not have instructions during installation.I was only trying to help someone who is in the same situation.Thanks for the comment though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo View Post
    The Dremel work was just to put the Planet Bike mud flaps on those SKS fenders - sorry - I didn't make that clear in my post. The P50 fenders fit fine.

    If you order the Planet Bike mud flaps - you'll see that it is just a matter of grinding the last bit of the fender a bit narrower and the mud flaps slide right on and then you can drill a couple of small holes for the plastic press rivets they provide with the mud flaps. It adds a few inches on the back of the fender that is really nice. The SKS fenders are great - but about 6" too short and have no mud flaps.

    I'm running Scwahlbe Marathon Cross 700x40s. I think 45s might be tight - but will probably work. 42s should be fine.

    The SKS P45 fenders will fit a Vaya fine - but won't cover tires any bigger than a 40 realistically... I'd highly recommend the P50 fenders...

    It would be nice if the Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders were in a slightly narrower size - say something to cover a 45 or 50 - say about 55mm wide. Hint, hint to the Planet Bike folks in Madison...

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    So how did you make the front fender fit. I started trying to make the P50 Fenders fit tonite as we have started getting some rain and I cant seem to mount the disc side attachment to the fork on. Where it looks like I should attach to the fork near the front drop out is blocked by the caliper for the disc brake. Please advise as this does not make any sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjgerman View Post
    So how did you make the front fender fit. I started trying to make the P50 Fenders fit tonite as we have started getting some rain and I cant seem to mount the disc side attachment to the fork on. Where it looks like I should attach to the fork near the front drop out is blocked by the caliper for the disc brake. Please advise as this does not make any sense at all.
    I'm not the guy you're asking, and I have the Planet Bike fenders, but mine came with a really fat spacer (~40mm) that combined with giving the support bars a little bend did the trick - it did seem at first there was going to be no way.

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    I bent the support a little to fit around the caliper and I also used a small spacer to hold it out.
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    Delivery Only

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    A sticker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88 rex View Post
    A sticker?
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    My frame should arrive next week. In anticipation of this, I have two build questions:

    1. Is a standard Jagwire Ripcord brake kit cable and housing long enough for the rear brake? Or do I need tandem-length as for a Muk?

    2. Does a Woodchipper require 2 rolls of tape per side?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cendres View Post
    My frame should arrive next week. In anticipation of this, I have two build questions:

    1. Is a standard Jagwire Ripcord brake kit cable and housing long enough for the rear brake? Or do I need tandem-length as for a Muk?

    2. Does a Woodchipper require 2 rolls of tape per side?

    Thanks!
    Not sure about the brake housing, but I only needed one roll of tape per side for my Woodchippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cendres View Post
    My frame should arrive next week. In anticipation of this, I have two build questions:

    1. Is a standard Jagwire Ripcord brake kit cable and housing long enough for the rear brake? Or do I need tandem-length as for a Muk?

    2. Does a Woodchipper require 2 rolls of tape per side?

    Thanks!
    The standard Ripcord housing kit is enough for the front and rear brakes. I found it cheaper to buy the MTB Ripcord kit and separate road inner cables than buying the housing "in bulk."

    It'll depend on the tape. Some rolls of tape (ex: Deda) will barely cover a conventional 42cm bar.
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    Thanks, guys.

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    My first (dirt) road bike!

    Here is my Vaya, built from the frame up over the last few months and after much lurking over this thread for inspiration.... Thank you all for ideas and suggestions! The wheelset is hand-made (Red Barn Bicycles) Stan's Crest laced to Chris King hubs with DT Swiss Comp spokes, drivetrain is a mix of Apex (crankest compact 34-50, shifter/brakes combo) and mountain X-9 (11-36 cassette and med cage derailleur for the steep hills to climb around here). Brakes are Avid BB7 road, handlebar is Salsa Bell Lap, tires are Marathon Extreme 700x42C. Lookwise, I tried to stay within the grayscale with little discreet red accents. Just rode it once to adjust the cockpit so far, the weather is not cooperating much right now. Feels already very comfortable.....
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    I am lovin' those tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC822 View Post
    Here is my Vaya, built from the frame up over the last few months and after much lurking over this thread for inspiration.... Thank you all for ideas and suggestions! The wheelset is hand-made (Red Barn Bicycles) Stan's Crest laced to Chris King hubs with DT Swiss Comp spokes, drivetrain is a mix of Apex (crankest compact 34-50, shifter/brakes combo) and mountain X-9 (11-36 cassette and med cage derailleur for the steep hills to climb around here). Brakes are Avid BB7 road, handlebar is Salsa Bell Lap, tires are Marathon Extreme 700x42C. Lookwise, I tried to stay within the grayscale with little discreet red accents. Just rode it once to adjust the cockpit so far, the weather is not cooperating much right now. Feels already very comfortable.....
    Nice build!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cda 455 View Post
    Do you think it's possible to fit a standard crankset/chainrings (53/39) on your frame? Is there enough room between the chainstay and chainrings?
    According to the Salsa website "Fits any road compact double or triple".

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    JC822 are you running those tubeless

    are you running those marathons tubeless and how did they setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothog View Post
    are you running those marathons tubeless and how did they setup?
    No, I have got tubes in.

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    As promised, pics of my build. Here's the details:

    Vaya 56cm charcoal
    Salsa delgado cross rims 32 front w./surly hub; 36 rear w/shimano XT
    Continental Tour ride tires 42s
    Sugino xd2 touring triple 46/36/24
    Sram p??? cassette 11-34
    Silver shifters bar end friction (silky!)
    shimano deore rear der
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    Salsa seat post
    Salsa cowbell 3 drops
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    Shimano single speed levers
    cane creek Aheadset
    Brooks B17 saddle
    LBS pedals (forgot) w/powergrips

    Tried to go with more of a classic tourer build - happy with the results. Thanks to all for your posts, help and inspiration! The bike rides great - can't wait to get out for some substantial rides....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    As promised, pics of my build. Here's the details:

    Vaya 56cm charcoal
    Salsa delgado cross rims 32 front w./surly hub; 36 rear w/shimano XT
    Continental Tour ride tires 42s
    Sugino xd2 touring triple 46/36/24
    Sram p??? cassette 11-34
    Silver shifters bar end friction (silky!)
    shimano deore rear der
    shimano sora front triple der
    Salsa seat post
    Salsa cowbell 3 drops
    dimension road stem
    Avid BB7 road
    Shimano single speed levers
    cane creek Aheadset
    Brooks B17 saddle
    LBS pedals (forgot) w/powergrips

    Tried to go with more of a classic tourer build - happy with the results. Thanks to all for your posts, help and inspiration! The bike rides great - can't wait to get out for some substantial rides....
    What front rack is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
    What front rack is that?
    oh yeah, forgot to mention it - it's a salsa minimalist - can go front or rear. It's served me well so far....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    oh yeah, forgot to mention it - it's a salsa minimalist - can go front or rear. It's served me well so far....
    What bag do you use with your minimalist? How does it work? I'm trying to decide what to do for a rack/bag solution. I like that the minimalist works front or rear. The other option I'm currently looking at is the Topeak MTX system(with zip out panniers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    What bag do you use with your minimalist? How does it work? I'm trying to decide what to do for a rack/bag solution. I like that the minimalist works front or rear. The other option I'm currently looking at is the Topeak MTX system(with zip out panniers).
    Haven't used bags yet - but am definitely planning on it so would be interested to hear if anyone else has experience with bags on the minimalist...

    Have used on my MTB for some bikepacking so have only strapped things down to it thus far...

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    Another question for the fender crowd. I ride as much gravel as paved paths, maybe more. I would like to add fenders to my Vaya to help keep me dry. I've never had fenders before and am worried that rocks may be a problem. Do any of you having problems with rocks getting up between the fender and tire on gravel roads? Thanks for the help!

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    Anyone have problems mounting a third bottle cage on the down tube (underside mount)? Mine will not clear the front tire, with a bottle in it, no matter what cage style I try. If I cant the bottle cage with a few washers as a shim, I can just barely clear the tire.

    Thoughts?

    Ianick,
    I've run fenders on the Vaytanium. I pull them off for single tracking and for muddy adventures (and also for the inaugural CX race on the Vaytanium), but I have run them quite a bit elsewhere, on pavement, gravel and limestone, without issues. You hear a rock rumbling around in there a bit sometimes, but no real problems thus far.

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    Ok…so how are you guys mounting the Minimalist to the rear of the Vaya? The rear frame is too narrow to mount it like on this Fargo.

    http://singletrackworld.com/files/2010/04/IMG_0545.jpg

    Are you just running the strut rods down to the frame by the dropouts? If so, then the rack is tilted down on my 56 Vaya.

    As a side note, I have a rear "Transit" trunk bag that I mount on the Minimalist. It was just a small cheap bag that I got at the LBS. Most of the time I don't have a bag at all up front.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Another question for the fender crowd. I ride as much gravel as paved paths, maybe more. I would like to add fenders to my Vaya to help keep me dry. I've never had fenders before and am worried that rocks may be a problem. Do any of you having problems with rocks getting up between the fender and tire on gravel roads? Thanks for the help!
    I rode with a guy this summer that had an orange Vaya and was using what looked to be Planet Bike fenders. He was getting rocks going back up into his fenders which would make a grating, scratching noise, but all passed through. Conversely I was on the same ride with a guy that was running custom aluminum fenders on a small builder custom rig, and he never had any issues with gravel into his fenders.

    The difference? Tires.

    The Vaya rider was riding treaded tires, the stock Conti Tour Rides, I think. The custom bike rider was sportin' Panaracer Paselas. No tread to grab onto the rocks with, so he never had the issues the Vaya guy did.

    My opinion, but I think your tire choice and gravel type will determine your fender issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66 View Post

    Katy?

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    The GF and I took the train and our bikes down from Vancouver to Portland and packed everything for our 4 day trip on the bikes - easy enough for me, but a challenge for her!


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
    Katy?
    Yep…we did about 150 miles two weekends ago. What a great trail…

    Here is the journal from the trip. The Vaya was awesome loaded down on the loose surface.
    Katy Trail

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    Towards the end of 330 miles through WI.....my 58cm orange and my friend's 54cm brown.
    Both use Salsa racks front and rear, both with Ortliebs.
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    So after some modifications to my drive train I finally got my Velo fenders to install. They are a PIA to put on but they look great I kinda wanted to put some fatter tires on when the weather got bad but not sure I'm going to be able to with these.
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    Well, it seems I am weak.

    I told myself I could live with 3 bikes. Only 3. That was it.

    My Vaya will be arriving at the bike shop in a week, built up a day or two after that.

    60cm, charcoal, with the bar end shifters / MTB triple.

    Gravel and bikepacking, here I come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    Well, it seems I am weak.

    I told myself I could live with 3 bikes. Only 3. That was it.

    My Vaya will be arriving at the bike shop in a week, built up a day or two after that.

    60cm, charcoal, with the bar end shifters / MTB triple.

    Gravel and bikepacking, here I come.
    Cool!

    Make sure you post pics!
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    Oh, I definitely will...after I get a suitable layer of grime on the bike.

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    I built my Vaya last Friday. Mine is intended as a fast gravel/foul weather ride. I have only been able to get out on it once: a 54-mile gravel jaunt on Sunday. Based on that limited experience, I like it a lot!

    Here’s my build:

    Frameset: 58cm Vaya steel
    Headset: FSA Orbit FX
    Stem: Thomson X2 130mm -10°
    Handlebar: Woodchipper 2 46cm double wrapped
    STI: 105
    Brakes: BB7_Road w/Alligator rotors
    Crankset: Ultegra 175 50/34
    BB: Ultegra
    Pedals: old Time ATACs
    Front derailleur: 105
    Rear derailleur: Ultegra SS
    Cassette: 105 12-27
    Chain: KMC
    Cables: Ripcords in Titanium
    Saddle: Flite Gel
    Seatpost: Salsa Shaft
    Wheels: XT hubs/Velocity Blunts/DTs
    Tires: Ritchey Speedmax Pro 35
    Fenders: Civia Market grey (not shown)


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    Nice build, love those rotors

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    nicest

    That is one of the nicest Vaya builds that I have seen. As pictured with bottle cages, pedals, without the seatbag...how much does it weigh?

    Quote Originally Posted by cendres View Post
    I built my Vaya last Friday. Mine is intended as a fast gravel/foul weather ride. I have only been able to get out on it once: a 54-mile gravel jaunt on Sunday. Based on that limited experience, I like it a lot!

    Here’s my build:

    Frameset: 58cm Vaya steel
    Headset: FSA Orbit FX
    Stem: Thomson X2 130mm -10°
    Handlebar: Woodchipper 2 46cm double wrapped
    STI: 105
    Brakes: BB7_Road w/Alligator rotors
    Crankset: Ultegra 175 50/34
    BB: Ultegra
    Pedals: old Time ATACs
    Front derailleur: 105
    Rear derailleur: Ultegra SS
    Cassette: 105 12-27
    Chain: KMC
    Cables: Ripcords in Titanium
    Saddle: Flite Gel
    Seatpost: Salsa Shaft
    Wheels: XT hubs/Velocity Blunts/DTs
    Tires: Ritchey Speedmax Pro 35
    Fenders: Civia Market grey (not shown)


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    Thanks for the kind words.

    I haven't weighed it, but my calibrated elbow tells me less than my Mukluk and more than my road bikes. Durability was more important to me than weight on this build. I'm guessing it's somewhere close to 28 pounds.

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    Yep. Really nice. For my bikes I am not all about the weight but my guess would have been in the 27-30lbs range. For your intended purposes and for the bikes intended purposes it will bring many smiles I am sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by cendres View Post
    Thanks for the kind words.

    I haven't weighed it, but my calibrated elbow tells me less than my Mukluk and more than my road bikes. Durability was more important to me than weight on this build. I'm guessing it's somewhere close to 28 pounds.

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    Here is my Vaya. It has a bunch of parts from Velo Orange. Dura Ace 10 speed downtube shifters and Easton XC One wheelset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fujio001 View Post
    Here is my Vaya. It has a bunch of parts from Velo Orange. Dura Ace 10 speed downtube shifters and Easton XC One wheelset.
    wow, very nice! I love the way all the colors just melt into one another... in the picture/light the paint almost looks like the rootbeer color Ala Carts, one of my favorites...
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    Cendres,
    I like that alot! Nice looking build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fujio001 View Post
    Here is my Vaya. It has a bunch of parts from Velo Orange. Dura Ace 10 speed downtube shifters and Easton XC One wheelset.
    Wow, thats a really good looking bike! I'll bet it rides smooth too.
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    New question here. Sram Apex

    I'm finishing up my Vaya build and am using Sram Apex shifters. I know housing for brakes and derailleurs are different. In the box there are 3 pieces of housing. Does anyone know which ones are for brakes and which for derailleurs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboygrrl View Post
    I'm finishing up my Vaya build and am using Sram Apex shifters. I know housing for brakes and derailleurs are different. In the box there are 3 pieces of housing. Does anyone know which ones are for brakes and which for derailleurs?
    Pull the ferrules off and look at the housing. Brake housing is spiraled while derailleur housing has wire run parallel to the housing, so you will see the ends of wires looking at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
    Pull the ferrules off and look at the housing. Brake housing is spiraled while derailleur housing has wire run parallel to the housing, so you will see the ends of wires looking at you.

    This and the brake housing will be much more flexible.
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    OK I think I've got it. It also appears that if I selected the correct housing for the derailleur, based on your cues, the diameter of the derailleur housing is also smaller than the other 2 pieces (brakes) of housing which match each other in diameter and the way the end looks (NO little ends of wires looking at me).

    Does this sound right? I'd hate to cut everything, run all the cable, and tape up handlebars to find I did it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboygrrl View Post
    OK I think I've got it. It also appears that if I selected the correct housing for the derailleur, based on your cues, the diameter of the derailleur cable is also smaller than the other 2 pieces (brakes) of housing which match each other in diameter and the way the end looks (NO little ends of wires looking at me).

    Does this sound right? I'd hate to cut everything, run all the cable, and tape up handlebars to find I did it wrong.
    brake cable housing are larger than derailleur (I think the end caps for the housing are 5mm and 4mm respectively).

    The heads on the cables are also different shapes brake cables are kinda bullet shaped and the shifter cables are round, brake cables are larger in diameter and may not easily go into the shift housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewJL View Post

    are you using compression-less housing for the brakes?
    These are the housings that came in the box of Sram Apex shifters. There's 3 housing pieces and I was trying to figure out which housing was for brakes and which is for the derailleurs.

    With the previous suggestions I think I have it figured out; the one I selected as a derailleur housing is smaller than the others (those being for the brake).

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    Anyone has a tubus logo rack? Any problem with disks?

    Thanks

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    I've got the cosmo, which is more or less the same thing and it works fine. The caliper location on the vaya works fine for most racks.

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    Finishing my Vaya build and have a couple of questions. 1. No adapter needed for brakes, but did you use the washers that were attached to the adapters? That is, post mount-washers-caliper. Or just screw in directly to the post mount? 2. Installing SRAM front derailleur; their instructions say to use a friction paste on the shim and clamp. Are people doing this? LBS store said only for carbon bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboygrrl View Post
    Finishing my Vaya build and have a couple of questions. 1. No adapter needed for brakes, but did you use the washers that were attached to the adapters? That is, post mount-washers-caliper. Or just screw in directly to the post mount? 2. Installing SRAM front derailleur; their instructions say to use a friction paste on the shim and clamp. Are people doing this? LBS store said only for carbon bikes.
    I take it you are using avid bb5/bb7 brakes, the washers are needed. They are how the caliper aligns to the rotor (they should be convex and concave).

    I have never used friction paste on a derailleur or shim, grease if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboygrrl View Post
    Finishing my Vaya build and have a couple of questions. 1. No adapter needed for brakes, but did you use the washers that were attached to the adapters? That is, post mount-washers-caliper. Or just screw in directly to the post mount? 2. Installing SRAM front derailleur; their instructions say to use a friction paste on the shim and clamp. Are people doing this? LBS store said only for carbon bikes.
    The washers are indeed necessary. They allow you to get the proper alignment between the calipers and rotors. They probably have some threadlocker applied, but a little grease is a good idea (to prevent seizing).

    I've never heard of having to use friction paste on a front derailleur before. I could see where it might be necessary on a carbon frame, but not on steel. Hell, I waxed my frame before assembly, and the front mech hasn't slipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewJL View Post
    I take it you are using avid bb5/bb7 brakes, the washers are needed. They are how the caliper aligns to the rotor (they should be convex and concave).

    I have never used friction paste on a derailleur or shim, grease if anything.
    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC822 View Post
    Here is my Vaya, built from the frame up over the last few months and after much lurking over this thread for inspiration.... Thank you all for ideas and suggestions! The wheelset is hand-made (Red Barn Bicycles) Stan's Crest laced to Chris King hubs with DT Swiss Comp spokes, drivetrain is a mix of Apex (crankest compact 34-50, shifter/brakes combo) and mountain X-9 (11-36 cassette and med cage derailleur for the steep hills to climb around here). Brakes are Avid BB7 road, handlebar is Salsa Bell Lap, tires are Marathon Extreme 700x42C. Lookwise, I tried to stay within the grayscale with little discreet red accents. Just rode it once to adjust the cockpit so far, the weather is not cooperating much right now. Feels already very comfortable.....
    I'm dying for some detailed feedback on the Marathon Extremes...how are they? In what conditions? What kinda pressure you running? Details, details!!!

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