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    Ocho,

    What do you think brought the weight up so much on your build? The wheels? How about the saddle? I'd like to hit 23 with mine if I can. I'll keep you guys posted with my build as it comes together.
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    I don't consider it heavy. At 28 lbs, its lighter than I expected. This is a touring bike.
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    My steel Cross Check is roughly 28 less lights/racks...I'd expect roughly the same out of my Vaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I don't consider it heavy. At 28 lbs, its lighter than I expected. This is a touring bike.
    Ocho...sorry for the confusion...I wasn't knockin' your build - I've got a heavy duty wheelset which would be great for touring on the Vaya. Right now I'm just shooting for a lighter weight build for gravel grinding.

    What kind of wheel build did you put together? My touring wheelsets include Kings Laced to Flows and Kings laced to Delgados.

    The lighter wheelset I'm having built are DT Swiss 350's laced to Stans 355's.

    Frameset ships today! Probably building up with lots of XT componentry, barcons, mtn BB7's - we'll see how it all comes together soon enough!
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    farmer....
    No worries, I didn't think you were knocking my build, I just wanted to pass along that I never expected it to be "light". With this sort of bike, I just don't consider weight as that big a deal. I have a 19 lb. Scott when I want light. By the time my racks and bags get on it light won't mean much.

    I'm a bigger guy, over 6 ft and hitting 230-235 so I went with the TK540 from DT Swiss. 36 hole and White Industries hubs. They are heavy compared to what you describe but exactly what I wanted for the loads and terrain I will carry it over. I'm using 700x40 Schwalbe's and don't plan on going larger so I didn't want to use Flows. I have Flows on one of my mountain bikes and Semi with 240s on my Fargo plus another set of Semi's with XT hubs that came on my first Fargo. Since I'm not a tubeless guy, I like Semi's over Flows but thats me.
    I use TN719's on my La Cruz and almost went with them for my touring rims but I helped a friend lace some TK540's and its a really nice rim so I opted for that one. TK's only come in 36h variations with the MSW for rim brakes but are fine for use with discs.
    My build is about the same as you plan with the difference in wheels and probably seat. XT drivetrain, bar ends, and BB7's. I'm using Origin-8/Ashima rotors though which I like better but have no idea of weight. I did not bother weighing the frame since it wasn't an issue for me but I will say its not a light weight. Not as light as some other frames out there.
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    farmer....have you thought about HED C2's? Its a 23mm wide rim, I use that rim with White Industries hubs on my Scott CX Team (and 700x28 tires). Very sturdy and very light. Expensive sort of but I've been toying with building a set for my La Cruz. I think it would hold up well for gravel grinding.

    Just a thought.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    farmer....have you thought about HED C2's? Its a 23mm wide rim, I use that rim with White Industries hubs on my Scott CX Team (and 700x28 tires). Very sturdy and very light. Expensive sort of but I've been toying with building a set for my La Cruz. I think it would hold up well for gravel grinding.

    Just a thought.....
    I was after light but strong and not stupidly expensive & settled on AC hubs (very light disc hubs) and Stan's Crest rims. I didn't get a weight before mounting, but I can weigh them in the morning w/ tires, discs, & cassette. I thought about the Stan's Podium or Race wheels for a superlight race setup, but my budget would've been shot and they look like they're pretty much race only. Definitely light though.

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    Please, nobody post pics of a charcoal vaya or I might be tempted to buy a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranier
    Please, nobody post pics of a charcoal vaya or I might be tempted to buy a new bike.
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    Yep...my charcoal frame came in last night. It will probably be the weekend before I get it built up. A couple of observations. The paint is a bit darker than I expected. Indoors it looks black from a distance. However up close, there is some serious metalflake going on.

    My problem is that I haven't decided if I want to go stealth and keep it dark or if I want to bling it up slightly. My CC is all blacked out, but we'll see....

    Also still contemplating a compact or a triple...leaning towards a triple for touring

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    Wow....LBS pressed in my headset while I waited. Came home and the cables/Avid7s were sitting on the doorstep a day early. I think I have everything for the build.....Looks like it might be a late night in the garage!

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    Brake Question for the Masses

    Hey guys...basically I'm thinking out loud here. I like to read what goes on in other people's heads when they are putting together a build....here's what I've got in mind:

    I've used some Tektro RL520's with mtn BB7's but was never really satisfied with them...maybe I didn't know a trick to setting them up. I'm putting together my build for the Vaya and just wondering if a few of you can chime in with good options. Currently I also have some 9spd indexed Barcons.

    1) Can I do a better setup for that combo? I didn't have cable adjusters on them. hmm...

    2) Do I need to move to road BB7 calipers if I want to use those shifters?

    3) If I want to use brifters...would SRAM or Shimano work better with the mtn BB7's or do I need to move to the road calipers?

    4) Has anyone ridden a Vaya with an H-bar setup and liked it?

    So far, this is what I've got...planning on riding this frame in my second attempt of the DK200:

    Frame: 58cm Charcoal Vaya
    Wheels: DT 350's laced to Stan's 355's
    Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Extreme's

    I'm flush with lots of mountain oriented componentry, so I may move with that to decrease the cost of the build at the moment:

    FD: XTR triple bottom or top pull
    RD: Would need to buy a new one.
    Cassette: XT
    Shifters: 9spd Barcons
    Bars: Probably Salsa Woodchippers which I'll need to buy yet.
    Stem: 100mm 10 deg Thomson 31.8
    Post: Thomson 20mm setback - Would an Eriksen be worth it (dampening) considering not much post is exposed from the frame on this bike? Otherwise I might put on a straight post Tomson.
    Crankset: XT triple but will consider a new compact crank if I go 10 speed.

    I could also rob from my 2007 CX bike:

    Shimano 105 10sp rear derailleur

    Shimano 105 10sp front drailleur

    Shimano 105 brifters - would these have enough pull for the BB7's mountain or road?

    My compact crank on this bike is nearly shot.

    One question that popped into my head...does a 10spd road cassette have the same spline pattern and hub to lock-ring spacing of a 9spd mountain cassette?

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    Planning a build is one of the great joys and side benefits of bicycling. At least to me it is.
    You should have no problem using the RL520 levers with your MTB BB7's. I use the same lever on my Vaya with those brakes. I basically stripped my 9 spd older version Fargo of it components and put them on my Vaya so its got XT stuff all around, even the XT trekking crank. I did put a new chain on but it was the same model as the old one. New cables too but thats a wash. If you went to a short pull lever like a SRAM road or Shimano road system then you would be better served with Road BB7's - I use them with a La Cruz and SRAM Rival set up. I just got word my Eriksen shipped so I'll let you know how it works.
    9 spd or 10 spd cassette carriers are the same road or MTB, no worries.

    BB7's can be a bit tricky to set up. I came up with my own system which I figured out from someone's post on this forum coupled with a few ideas from a Park manual and the Avid instructions. If you work at it, it becomes pretty easy and if you use compressionless brake housing the stopping power is darned good. To me, its as good as any hydraulic set up I use.

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    Ocho,

    I've had great success with BB7 mountains and my Avid brake levers, so I think I'll just have to keep tinkering with the Tektro RL520's. I had never put as much time into those in the past because I usually only set up the front brake on my fixie drop bar Karate Monkey.

    I'll keep people posted with my future progress with these if this is how I move forward. Compressionless housing will definitely be a priority this time as it has on my previous mountain setups.
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    Brakes, crank, headset, stem, bars, saddle and front derailleur are all mounted. I was a little blown away by how relaxed the geometry is. I'm 5'10" and went with a 56. I think this will be a perfect sporty touring bike. Decided to go with a black 105 triple with Ultegras.

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    Nasty.....Best way to describe how my charcoal Vaya build looked with red cables. I got the bright idea that adding some red cables would make the bike pop, but it ended up looking like a pig with lipstick. Somethings just aren't meant to be. The bike has a dark stealth look to it, so I think I'm going with the Ultegra grey cables....Bike is 75% done. The 32c City tires look REALLY small on this frame. I think larger tires are in order too. I have some Kenda Komfort 700X40 in the garage.

    Anyone have a suggestion for some smooth/faster rolling larger tires?

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    I'm in the Marathon or something by Continental camp right now. I've been buying those two brands for most of the tires for these kinds of bikes.
    I'm using Marathon Supremes (700x40) right now on the Vaya and love em.
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    Has anyone mounted fenders on their Vaya? I haven't tried it, but it sure looks like the front brake is in the way of the fender support.

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    Finally got mine

    Here is my new Vaya, (almost) complete at long last:

    Details:
    Frame size 57cm
    Cranks (50/34), shifters, FD, RD - SRAM Apex
    Brakes - BB7
    Cassette - SRAM 1050 12-36
    Bars - Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap (I would have preferred the 31.8 version and a Pro Moto stem, but I didn't specify and this is what my LBS ordered. Should work fine, and the Moto Ace stem is available in a lot more angles - the 5* Pro Moto wouldn't be enough rise, and the new 25* Pro Moto would be too much)
    Stem - will be Salsa Moto Ace - the silver one is temporary to dial in fit
    Seat Post - Thompson Elite 400mm
    Rims - Mavic A317
    Hubs - Deore 6-bolt
    Tires - WTB Pathway 38c (these actually measure 40.1mm on the rim, and they are labeled both 700x38 and 622x40)
    Saddle - Brooks B-17 standard

    These pictures look a lot better on the screen of my DroidX than they do on my computer screen - sorry for the fuzzy quality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66
    Has anyone mounted fenders on their Vaya? I haven't tried it, but it sure looks like the front brake is in the way of the fender support.
    I have them on mine and it fits just fine. I can take some pictures here very soon.
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    Google down tube cable adjusters and the Shimano versions come up. Practically everyone sells them and like someone mentioned most shops have a bunch laying around which you might be able to score for free with a few nice words.
    They are agnostic in terms of cables run through them and therefore brifters used. They will be shaped to fit the tube once they are screwed into the bosses.
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    Which downtube barrel adjusters with barcons? and for that matter, which barrel adjusters with SRAM brifters?

    Do I need a concave mount or regular?

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    The build is done! Well, I need a new chain. The one I had in the garage is a bit too short, but I was dying to take it for a spin. I'd like to say I put a lot of thought into the build, but it was pretty much parts I already had. Lets see.....105 triple crank/brifters, Ultegra derailleurs, Brooks saddle, Cygolight Trident Extra light, Sun Ringle Equalizer wheels, Planet Bike fenders, Avid7 disks, Michelin City 700X32 tires. I am really glad I went with the charcoal. The orange is SMOKING, but I really like the stealth look of the charcoal....Can't go wrong with either though....














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    Great looking build, Terry! Mine will hop back and forth between a commuter and gravel grinder. I like the Charcoal a lot too!

    Ocho - went through my parts as I've started building it up...just realized that my Shimano barcons, which I've always had attached to Paul Thumbies in a full cable housing setup actually came with downtube barrel adjusters...so that is covered!

    Right now I've just got the XT crankset and headset on...hopefully everything will be together by this coming Saturday evening!
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    I got out for a first real ride on Friday, and I love the bike. Very comfortable on rough pavement and on dirt/gravel roads. Even at higher tire pressure, it is better than my MTB, I think. I'm sure the steel frame has an impact there. Whatever compliance there is built into the frame, I didn't notice any BB flex. I'm 220 lbs. and I didn't feel it flexing on any of the hills I climbed.

    Terry - That is a great looking build - classy and understated. I like my orange a lot, but I could be very happy with the charcoal. I wish the orange had the metal flake that the charcoal has.

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    Yeah, I know what you mean about the color. Both are awesome. Hard to go wrong. I put in 20 road miles yesterday. Certainly not as quick and responsive as my carbon road bike, but it is a bike I could ride all day long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66
    The build is done! Well, I need a new chain. The one I had in the garage is a bit too short, but I was dying to take it for a spin. I'd like to say I put a lot of thought into the build, but it was pretty much parts I already had. Lets see.....105 triple crank/brifters, Ultegra derailleurs, Brooks saddle, Cygolight Trident Extra light, Sun Ringle Equalizer wheels, Planet Bike fenders, Avid7 disks, Michelin City 700X32 tires. I am really glad I went with the charcoal. The orange is SMOKING, but I really like the stealth look of the charcoal....Can't go wrong with either though....
    Looks great! Makes my decision on which color harder.
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    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
    Man, I want one of those Salsa Mini Racks for rear of my BWNN... May end up going with a Nitto instead though. Haven't quite decided... The bike has integrated mounts for either one.

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    Pretty sure the minimalist is cheaper. By roughly half if my memory serves. I really like how this bike feels. This weekend its getting loaded with 40 lbs in the back and 10 up front. This simulates my touring load. I want to see how it handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    Pretty sure the minimalist is cheaper. By roughly half if my memory serves. I really like how this bike feels. This weekend its getting loaded with 40 lbs in the back and 10 up front. This simulates my touring load. I want to see how it handles.
    Oh yeah... Agreed on the price thing -- it's not really about price. More about weight, appearance and availability. The Nitto is lighter, its nickel finish looks better on a Ti bike and it's in-stock at a couple of places I do business with. At last I checked, Mini Racks were out of stock.

    So, the money will likely go to the one who has the product...

    Quick edit... Just went into my LBS this afternoon and ordered a silver Salsa Minamalist rack. Black was out of stock but silver was in, so I went with it...
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    Ocho -

    Great looking bike. I struggled with whether to do black or silver components, but obviously settled on black (my final stem will be black). I still like the silver, though. Black was a lot easier to spec, as you probably found out.

    Interesting to me that all three of the builds on this page, and several others on previous pages, employ Brooks saddles. This is my first Brooks and so far I love it. The rides I've done so far on my Vaya would have killed my ass on my MTB or my former road bike, but I've felt really good in that area on the Vaya/Brooks combo. Probably for a number of reasons this bike is just a lot more comfortable beyond the first 15-20 minutes than any other bike I've had.

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    Saws....actually I have a Brooks by default as it was the only saddle i had to use. I'm ordering a Selle SMP Extra for the Vaya. I use the racier version on my road bike and love it. The Brooks is going back on my ss cruiser

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    Terry - I think the Brooks springer saddle looks right at home with the fenders on your bike, but saddles are a very personal thing, and I can see how in a more aero position the Selle SMP would be more comfortable. That is a saddle design I've been curious to try. I'm really loving my Brooks B17, though. I was afraid it would be too wide at first, coming from a 148mm wide Bontrager saddle on my prior road bike, but it doesn't seem to impede my leg motion at all. The cutout on the Selle SMP might be the ticket though - the Bontrager killed my bits n' pieces, not my sit bones.

    Anyway, it still seems there is a high occurrence of Brooks saddles on Vayas, which I'm attributing to an emphasis on comfort over weight until someone offers a better suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009
    Radness LostBoyScout, I hope to be riding mine like that when I'm old.
    Ouch! I'm in my 20's, it's called a commuter! :P

    I plan to have a set of cross tires on hand and set it up in cross-mode sometimes without all the accessories. I am running the Salsa Semi-29'rs which look like they'll take as fat a tire as I can squeeze into this frameset.

    Quick question for those who have tried: What's the biggest 29er tire that will fit these arches without fenders?

    Anyway, it still seems there is a high occurrence of Brooks saddles on Vayas, which I'm attributing to an emphasis on comfort over weight until someone offers a better suggestion.
    I would say Brooks suits the bike well - the Vaya is comfortable, stylish, and well built - same as Brooks. Both perform well too, neither are feathers.
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    Finally got time to mount fenders (Honjo Le Paon). I was originally planning to keep it all black, but a little silver and the Pasela's go a long way towards a more classic look and I'm liking it.




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    I just noticed those fenders are the same front and rear, aren't they? Definitely the same wrap and rod placement. Nice to see a front fender that goes appropriately low!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
    very nice. which rear rack is that?

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    Chromo - I'm digging the big wrap front fender as well....I'll have to look for some black ones like that....

    Saws - Yeah, the saddle is a dilema. I love the way the springer looks and it is fine for cruising around, but I struggle with it when I am out for 30-50 miles at speed. It just seems that I am not "fixed" on the saddle like I am with a more narrow "racier" saddle. I am not sure if it is just being a new saddle, but I slip and slide around on the wider Brooks. Just seems like I can never get locked in place. Didn't have that when I rode a B17.

    Also like you mentioned, it isn't all that great in the drops....I think I'll just mount the SMP on a post and then swap them out depending on what I am doing.
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    Cromo - I like the silver fenders...my vote is to stick with them!
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    Terry, if you want something similar in black and don't want to pay a bunch for Honjos and then have to hassle with getting them powder coated or painted; I'd suggest trying to find some of the older Civia fenders (the new ones are all plastic or flat).

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    Cromo - What seat bag is that you have on that orange beauty?

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    Hi,
    What front derailleur could you recomend? It is for triple chainring and, of course, 28,6 size. Ill use it withdura ace bar ends. Will Shimano FD-M660/661 work?

    Thanks

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    I'm looking to replace my SOMA Saga with a Salsa Vaya, and was wondering if anyone has confirmed whether a Tubus low-rider will clear the front caliper. I've got a stainless steel Nova rack, and I'd really like to use it on the Vaya.

    Also, has anyone tried Campy Ergo levers with road BB7s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMu_dogtag
    Cromo - What seat bag is that you have on that orange beauty?
    Just a Topeak Wedge - but the kind with straps instead of the clip that breaks.

    I want something bigger, but am finding that most larger seat bags get really wide. I guess I want something like this, but better looking. Any suggestions?

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    Took some better pictures of my Vaya today.

    Spec:

    Chris King headset in brown ano
    Thomson Elite 110mm stem
    Metropolis bar
    Leather lock-on grips
    Paul Thumbies operating Shimano bar end shifters
    In the mail: All silver Paul levers
    105 crankset, Tiagra / Deore drivetrain
    Brooks B17 in Antique Brown
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    SLX hubs laced to Salsa Semi 29er rims
    Panaracer Tserv 700x32c folding tires
    Axiom Streamliner DLX rack
    Planet Bike fenders








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    Can someone recommend a rim for 60% pavement & 40% dirt? I'll be riding on slicks/semi-slicks that range from 33.5mm to 40mm. I weigh 190, and commute with front panniers that weigh 10-15 pounds.

    I'm considering the following:
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    • Mavic A317 Disc
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    I'll be running Ringle Dirty Flea hubs, 32h, double-butted spokes and brass nipples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    Can someone recommend a rim for 60% pavement & 40% dirt? I'll be riding on slicks/semi-slicks that range from 33.5mm to 40mm. I weigh 190, and commute with front panniers that weigh 10-15 pounds.

    I'm considering the following:
    • DT Swiss X470 Disc
    • Mavic A317 Disc
    • Mavic TN719


    I'll be running Ringle Dirty Flea hubs, 32h, double-butted spokes and brass nipples.
    Alex SX44's? Price is right, weight isn't terrible, and they are nice and wide. They are on my list, but I can't find anyone that has them in stock in 36h even though it shows them on the Alex site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryball
    Alex SX44's? Price is right, weight isn't terrible, and they are nice and wide. They are on my list, but I can't find anyone that has them in stock in 36h even though it shows them on the Alex site.
    Those are a little wider than what I was looking for.
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