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    Quote Originally Posted by sklevorn View Post
    Drivetrain setup help -
    Anyone see an obvious issue with what I thought would be a workable final solution?
    SRAM Apex 48/34 crank
    SRAM X9 r.der med cage
    Shimano HG8110 11-36 10spd cassette
    Shimano HG-X chain

    I initially had an Apex der in the rear. Even though it is only rated for a 32 cog max it was working reasonably well but getting it out of the big cog was a problem. So I installed a medium cage SRAM X9 rear der thinking it would be an easy solution and I struggled for a 1/2 hour or so to get it dialed in (Did not add / remove chain links from previous set-up but did resize cable housing from chainstay to rear der). .
    I'm no expert on derailleurs, but I have a Vaya with a 12/34 cassette and a 50/36 Apex crank with an Apex rear der. I think you are going to need a long cage rear der. for that 36 tooth cog. My Apex setup works, but the 50 front/34 rear combo is a no go - it causes the chain to rub the top of the front der. cage. My impression is that medium cage is not going to be long enough to deal with the diameter of that 36t cog, regardless of the size of the chainring you are on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sklevorn View Post
    Drivetrain setup help -
    Anyone see an obvious issue with what I thought would be a workable final solution?
    SRAM Apex 48/34 crank
    SRAM X9 r.der med cage
    Shimano HG8110 11-36 10spd cassette
    Shimano HG-X chain

    I initially had an Apex der in the rear. Even though it is only rated for a 32 cog max it was working reasonably well but getting it out of the big cog was a problem. So I installed a medium cage SRAM X9 rear der thinking it would be an easy solution and I struggled for a 1/2 hour or so to get it dialed in (Did not add / remove chain links from previous set-up but did resize cable housing from chainstay to rear der). .
    I run a very similar set up with a SRAM 50/34 crankset, SRAM 12-36 cassette, and SRAM X-O midcage rear-D ...... I confess I had the LBS tweak and adjust the set-up but after that it works like a charm.

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    Drivetrain setup figured out. Thanks for the ideas.

    Started at square one with chain length. It was too long which was preventing the derailleur from having enough tension to get it to return all the way out to the 11 tooth. Took a link out and had it set up in no time. Details...

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    I am purchasing a complete Vaya and am having the shop put on woodchipper bars and a rival 50/34 crank. The bike comes with the following wheels:
    Front Hub SRAM 506, 32H, 6-Bolt
    Rear Hub SRAM 506, 32H, 6-Bolt
    Quick Release Formula
    Spokes DT Swiss Competition, Double-Butted, 2.0/1.8mm
    Nipples DT Swiss, Brass
    DT Swiss X470 32H for 700c wheel sizes

    Are there any recommendations for a wheel upgrade at a small price increase?
    I am a very light-weight rider,
    Thanks!

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    I just picked up my Vaya today. Orange stock 58cm. The paint looks so much better in person. I'll be giving it a break in ride tomorrow on the Tour de Cure. After that I'll add the Brooks, BB7's and new wheels and tires. I also ordered a Mango lip lock which looks great with the paint. Very excited for this bike. Pics to come tonight or tomorrow.

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    Charcoal Vaya Sale

    Anyone interested in a 56 Charcoal Vaya with about 200 miles on it? Proving to be a little more than I needed, going to go the Casseroll route. Built up with Apex / Rival. Final build is a little different than pictured. $1550 complete and shipped or Frame, Fork, Headset and BB for $600.

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    I had a great time this morning on the Vaya. I rode route support for the local Tour de Cure. All in all I rode 40 miles of bike path and gravel. They Vaya was exemplary. It felt great on the gravel. I can't wait for the next gravel metric. The bike was stable at any speed, and felt great on gravel at speed. It didn't feel portly on the paved trail like some touring/gravel bikes can feel. The Bell Lap bar feels much better than my previous road drop bars. I like the width and drop is about perfect for me. Overall I really like the complete bike. The saddle and wheels aren't great but nothing has great wheels at this price point. The bike really begs to be ridden. Midway through route support I crossed a gravel road that is the start point for many of my gravel adventures. The road seemed to beckon to me to spend the day with it. Had I not been on route support I think I would have answered the call.

    Here she is after todays ride:

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    MTBR will not let me post PMs yet so I created a classified for the 56 Vaya for sale. http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...?product=65196

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    after looking over the orange builds I decided orange would be a nice color, I have a 58cm on the way along with ultegra 6603 levers

    I plan on using a 48-36-26 deore crankset (I have the rings already) along with a 10 speed 11-32 cassette

    I already have alot of the parts can't wait for the frame to get here

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    The rain has been keeping up here and the mountain bike trails are all too muddy. Which means my weekly group ride was going to be on the road. I met several other friends and we took off down the bike path. 15 miles in everyone stopped at a bar for food and beverages. Most people left after they ate however a few of us stuck around to get a few more miles in. We headed further down the trail.

    We had a mountain bike, a cross bike, a road bike and me on the Vaya. The road bike rider was impressed with how fast I was. He "attacked" a few times on the downhills and we had some fun pedaling hard. No problems with keeping up with him on his roadie. This impressed not only him and I but the other two that were with us. The Vaya is not slow.

    I was 32 miles in when we reached my turn off for home. Everyone else continued on the bike path to the parking lot and their cars. I had a decision to make. To the right is home, in 3 short miles. To the left was empty moon lit roads. I chose to go left. I wasn't ready to stop. The full moon was extraordinarily bright and I switched my headlight off(until I saw a car, tail light always on). I enjoyed 18 more miles of quiet country roads in the still of the night in the bright moon light. It was quite an experience. It felt almost like riding through a still life painting. I ended with just over 50 miles and a big smile on my face.

    This was only my second ride on the Vaya but I feel right at home on the bike. Hopefully it's more than new bike stoke. The position required almost no tweaking which is odd for me. I usually have several rides of tweaking before I find the sweet spot. I even like the tires that came on the stock bike. They aren't as light as I would like, but they feel great and corner well(high speed!). I'm hoping for a gravel metric on fathers day. That will be the final test for the Vaya.

    Here it is again, now with the Mango salsa seat collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewJL View Post
    I have searched everywhere and I can't seem to find the steerer tube length, is it 300mm or longer like the fargo?
    my 58cm just arived the steerer tube is 350mm

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    my vaya


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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    The rain has been keeping up here and the mountain bike trails are all too muddy. Which means my weekly group ride was going to be on the road. I met several other friends and we took off down the bike path. 15 miles in everyone stopped at a bar for food and beverages. Most people left after they ate however a few of us stuck around to get a few more miles in. We headed further down the trail.

    We had a mountain bike, a cross bike, a road bike and me on the Vaya. The road bike rider was impressed with how fast I was. He "attacked" a few times on the downhills and we had some fun pedaling hard. No problems with keeping up with him on his roadie. This impressed not only him and I but the other two that were with us. The Vaya is not slow.

    I was 32 miles in when we reached my turn off for home. Everyone else continued on the bike path to the parking lot and their cars. I had a decision to make. To the right is home, in 3 short miles. To the left was empty moon lit roads. I chose to go left. I wasn't ready to stop. The full moon was extraordinarily bright and I switched my headlight off(until I saw a car, tail light always on). I enjoyed 18 more miles of quiet country roads in the still of the night in the bright moon light. It was quite an experience. It felt almost like riding through a still life painting. I ended with just over 50 miles and a big smile on my face.

    This was only my second ride on the Vaya but I feel right at home on the bike. Hopefully it's more than new bike stoke. The position required almost no tweaking which is odd for me. I usually have several rides of tweaking before I find the sweet spot. I even like the tires that came on the stock bike. They aren't as light as I would like, but they feel great and corner well(high speed!). I'm hoping for a gravel metric on fathers day. That will be the final test for the Vaya.

    Here it is again, now with the Mango salsa seat collar.
    Awesome bike and great writeup!



    What size is the bike/frame and what's the bike weigh as pictured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cda 455 View Post
    Awesome bike and great writeup!



    What size is the bike/frame and what's the bike weigh as pictured?
    Thanks! The bike is a 58cm. No idea what it weighs, I'll snag the bathroom scale this weekend and get a rough estimate.

    Soon to be replaced is the stock wheelset. It works just fine but I have another much lighter set just laying around. The tires may go as well. I managed to sneak in a gravel metric last Sunday and wasn't real impressed with the high speed gravel cornering ability of the Tour Rides. Otherwise I really like the tires so we'll see. I have some bb7 road's laying around as well but the bb5's are working great so they will get to stick around until it's time for a pad replacement. Overall the stock build is a real work horse. More impressed with every ride.

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    Does anyone have a picture of a built-up Vaya in 54cm that they would care to share?

    I believe this is my size, and I'd like to see a pic to assess toe overlap potential. Thanks.

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    I believe these are both 54's
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    Thanks very much.

    Looks like toe overlap will be a little problem for me with the Vaya.

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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/empire_rdr/5918064853/" title="Salsa Vaya by BForrer, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6122/5918064853_e44fedbfca.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Vaya"></a>
    First ride on mine(57cm)! Love it! Swapped out the XTR rr der and MTB cassette for a Ultegra rr der and road cassette.

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    Wheelset

    I just ordered a Charcoal in 55cm frameset. I'd like some wheel suggestions. I'm looking for something durable/inexpensive in all black. I'm planning on using the bike as a commuter/around town/some gravel & dirt. I was looking at a set of DT Swiss X470s w/ 240 hubs. Seller wants $385 for them used. Is that a good price?

    Edit: $385 isn't really inexpensive but it was the first thing I had looked at for a starting point. I'm still learning and this will be my first ever ground-up build.
    Last edited by dragonsnack; 07-13-2011 at 12:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker View Post
    Thanks very much.

    Looks like toe overlap will be a little problem for me with the Vaya.
    FWIW, I ride a 55 (my pics are a page or two ago), and wear 43s in bike shoes (I'm running Crank Bros Candy 3 pedals). I rarely have a problem with overlap, and it is pretty easily avoidable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    I just ordered a Charcoal in 55cm frameset. I'd like some wheel suggestions. I'm looking for something durable/inexpensive in all black. I'm planning on using the bike as a commuter/around town/some gravel & dirt. I was looking at a set of DT Swiss X470s w/ 240 hubs. Seller wants $385 for them used. Is that a good price?

    Edit: $385 isn't really inexpensive but it was the first thing I had looked at for a starting point. I'm still learning and this will be my first ever ground-up build.
    Unfortunately I couldn't buy an orange Vaya in Australia this year as the importer only has the brown ones, so I have gone with an alternative from another manufacturer. I am still watching this thread out of interest though.

    I have gone with an Shimano XT wheelset which can be run tubeless, uses centrelock rotors (great invention) and is all black. I got mine from Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK for under $600AU delivered.

    Here they are on my Vaya substitute.



    BTW the DT Swiss sound like an OK deal too.

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    After doing some price comparisons I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the X470s. They appear to be a great build with the X470 rims and 240s hubs. It would cost significantly more to have the same pair built up. Not as inexpensive as I would have liked but hopefully they'll last me forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    The Winwood is no longer made... ...Nashbar sells one as well
    Just FYI. Winwood and Nashbar CF forks are made by Aprebic, a major Taiwanese CF frame and parts manufacturer. The forks are identical in construction, differing only in dimensions (crown width, a-t-c distance) and graphics. The steerer, crown and a significant section of the legs are actually aluminum. Do a search on p/n AMC-611M at their website (no direct link possible) and you'll see a version of your fork.

    http://www.evo.com.tw/

    Thanks for the nice pictures. First hi-res titanium Vaya I've seen. I prefer the brake mount design of the Ti over the steel frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    FWIW, I ride a 55 (my pics are a page or two ago), and wear 43s in bike shoes (I'm running Crank Bros Candy 3 pedals). I rarely have a problem with overlap, and it is pretty easily avoidable.
    Thanks. I wear 43.5 myself. Maybe I'll be OK on a 54cm with 700x42s (max).

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    @seeker: the brown 54 shown is mine, and yeah I do get toe overlap, though I run flats so hard to compare..

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    Lets see....Since winter, I have had 28c, 32c, 37c, 40c all on the Vaya. I've gone from a Brooks B68, fizik and Selle SMP saddle. Here she is in her current state with 700X42c Tour Rides. It's been a crazy rainy spring so far, so this is the first time I have gone "fenderless".


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    Can someone tell me what width handlebars the 55cm complete Vaya comes with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Can someone tell me what width handlebars the 55cm complete Vaya comes with?
    According to the Salsa site, Salsa Bell Lap bars. Not sure on the width though; they come 42-46mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    Unfortunately I couldn't buy an orange Vaya in Australia this year as the importer only has the brown ones, so I have gone with an alternative from another manufacturer. I am still watching this thread out of interest though.

    I have gone with an Shimano XT wheelset which can be run tubeless, uses centrelock rotors (great invention) and is all black. I got mine from Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK for under $600AU delivered.

    Here they are on my Vaya substitute.



    BTW the DT Swiss sound like an OK deal too.
    Looks nice. I've been running 700c disc wheels in my 26" hardtails since 1999 or so (until I got a 29er).

    I'm thinking of building something similar to the Troll you have there now.

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    Here is a pic of two Vaya's, mine a orange 58cm and my friend's brown 54 cm. We toured WI last week logging just over 300 miles in five days and having a great time doing it. We used the extensive crushed stone/gravel trails where ever we could but did do some nice hills and road riding. Total added weight was right at 40 lbs.

    This is very good platform for touring. We didn't ride hard but did manage 82 miles one day and it wasn't much of an issue. I'll be adding low rider additions for the front rack for future rides and have already added Cowbell 2's replacing the Woodchippers.
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    Got my frame Tuesday. Hopefully the rest comes by the weekend so I can have it all together. This is my first ever ground up build. I'm debating whether to do the assembly myself (original intention) or have the LBS do it.

    Frameset
    Frame - Vaya, Road Adventure, Salsa Classico CroMoly
    Fork - Vaya, Salsa Classico CroMoly, 1-1/8", Disc Only
    Color - Charcoal
    Size - 55cm

    Drivetrain
    Crankset - SRAM Apex 34/50T, Compact Double
    Bottom - Bracket SRAM
    Chain - SRAM 10-Speed
    Cassette - SRAM Apex 11-34T 10-Speed
    Front Derailleur - SRAM Apex
    Rear Derailleur - SRAM Apex Long Cage

    Components
    Headset - Cane Creek 110
    Handlebar - Salsa Cowbell 2
    Handlebar Tape - Black Salsa Gel Cork
    Stem - Salsa Pro Moto 90mm
    Front Brake - Avid BB7 Mountain 160mm Centerlock G3CL Rotor
    Rear Brake - Avid BB7 Mountain 160mm Centerlock G3CL Rotor
    Brake Levers - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Tires - Panaracer T Serve Protex Tire - 700 x 35c (Black)
    Front Shifter - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Rear Shifter - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Seatpost - Thomson Elite Seatpost - Black 27.2mm x 330mm
    Seatpost Clamp - Salsa Flip-Lock
    Saddle - Brooks B17 Imperial Saddle


    Wheels
    Front Hub - DT Swiss 240s FIFTEEN Centerlock 15mm TA converted to 9mm
    Rear Hub - DT Swiss 10mm TA Centerlock
    Quick Release - DT Swiss RWS
    Spokes -DT Swiss
    Nipples - DT Swiss, Brass
    Rims - DT Swiss X470 32H
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Got my frame Tuesday. Hopefully the rest comes by the weekend so I can have it all together. This is my first ever ground up build. I'm debating whether to do the assembly myself (original intention) or have the LBS do it.

    Frameset
    Frame - Vaya, Road Adventure, Salsa Classico CroMoly
    Fork - Vaya, Salsa Classico CroMoly, 1-1/8", Disc Only
    Color - Charcoal
    Size - 55cm

    Drivetrain
    Crankset - SRAM Apex 34/50T, Compact Double
    Bottom - Bracket SRAM
    Chain - SRAM 10-Speed
    Cassette - SRAM Apex 11-34T 10-Speed
    Front Derailleur - SRAM Apex
    Rear Derailleur - SRAM Apex Long Cage

    Components
    Headset - Cane Creek 110
    Handlebar - Salsa Bell Lap
    Stem - Salsa Pro Moto 90mm
    Front Brake - Avid BB7 Mountain 160mm Centerlock G3CL Rotor
    Rear Brake - Avid BB7 Mountain 160mm Centerlock G3CL Rotor
    Brake Levers - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Tires - Panaracer T Serve Protex Tire - 700 x 35c (Black)
    Front Shifter - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Rear Shifter - SRAM Apex Doubletap
    Seatpost - Thomson Elite Seatpost - Black 27.2mm x 330mm
    Seatpost Clamp - Salsa Flip-Lock
    Saddle - Brooks B17 Imperial Saddle


    Wheels
    Front Hub - DT Swiss 240s FIFTEEN Centerlock 15mm TA converted to 9mm
    Rear Hub - DT Swiss 10mm TA Centerlock
    Quick Release - DT Swiss RWS
    Spokes -DT Swiss
    Nipples - DT Swiss, Brass
    Rims - DT Swiss X470 32H
    i think you have a possible problem with your brake and shifter combo the mountain version of the bb7 require a long pull brake lever where as the Apex Brifters have short pull brake levers. if you want to keeps the brifters your need the road version of the BB7
    the difference between the 2 is that the mountain bike version have a black calilper casing and the road have a gray caliper casing.

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    Well, for some reason I thought I had read elsewhere that the mountains were compatible with the Apex shifters. Hrm. I will get in touch with SRAM and get and answer. I guess I can order the road calipers and return the mountain. Just a pain in the arse.

    Edit: Doesn't the stock Fargo come with Apex Brifters/BB7 mountain combo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Well, for some reason I thought I had read elsewhere that the mountains were compatible with the Apex shifters. Hrm. I will get in touch with SRAM and get and answer. I guess I can order the road calipers and return the mountain. Just a pain in the arse.

    Edit: Doesn't the stock Fargo come with Apex Brifters/BB7 mountain combo?
    no they have apex brifters and bb7 road

    http://www.sram.com/avid/category/283

    you can see the different sets they have sorry to be the bearer of bad news

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    can the apex rear derailleur handle a 34t cassette i thought it could only do 32atleast that what advertised on the sram website?

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    LOL, you're killing me. Really though, thanks for the input. Like I said this is my first build and I'm learning (a lot) as I go.

    I ordered the Apex components as a group so I assumed everything would be compatible?

    BTW, called Jenson. Order hadn't shipped yet so I just had them change order from mountain to road BB7s.

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    yea my bad haha but i do like the build esp the the charcoal colored vaya i saw that your hubs have a centerlock and not the 6 bolt pattern what kinda rotors you got? you may need some centerlock adapters what color is your brooks saddle?

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    Black saddle. I have ordered a pair of Avid G3CL 160mm rotors to go on the centerlock hubs.

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    so your going for a stealth black look? if so very nicely played sir

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    Yes that's the idea with a few red highlights here and there (headset/seat clamp).

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    black housing and handlebar tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by efraguiluz View Post
    can the apex rear derailleur handle a 34t cassette i thought it could only do 32atleast that what advertised on the sram website?
    It'll work with a 34t just fine - I'm using a cassette with a 36t. I just have to be careful not to get in my big/big combo because it rubs the top of the front derailleur cage (2x10 with 50/34 crankset and 12/36 cassette).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    Unfortunately I couldn't buy an orange Vaya in Australia this year as the importer only has the brown ones...
    Please tell me where did you see brown Vayas.
    I still need 60 brown frameset

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobochko View Post
    Please tell me where did you see brown Vayas.
    I still need 60 brown frameset
    I am in Australia, the Australian distributor of Salsa products is Dirt Works. My bike shop tried to get me an orange Vaya but were told Dirt Works only have the brown and will not be getting the orange until November this year. I have not seen the frames and they are apparently in Australia with the distributor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
    Looks nice. I've been running 700c disc wheels in my 26" hardtails since 1999 or so (until I got a 29er).

    I'm thinking of building something similar to the Troll you have there now.
    Thanks mate, the build is finished now with the missing XT dual control shifter installed.

    I had convinced myself to buy a Vaya for this project and run it flat bar and deal with the slightly shorter cockpit by going for a 58cm. Then I found I could only get brown in Australia this year and that was a show stopper for me.

    For my mixed pavement commute and the occassional gravel road ride I like to start with the 26" HT frame and geometry and use mtb components for a bulletproof build.

    I have only been doing this with different bikes for about 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho View Post
    Here is a pic of two Vaya's, mine a orange 58cm and my friend's brown 54 cm. We toured WI last week logging just over 300 miles in five days and having a great time doing it. We used the extensive crushed stone/gravel trails where ever we could but did do some nice hills and road riding. Total added weight was right at 40 lbs.

    This is very good platform for touring. We didn't ride hard but did manage 82 miles one day and it wasn't much of an issue. I'll be adding low rider additions for the front rack for future rides and have already added Cowbell 2's replacing the Woodchippers.
    What rear rack are you running?

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    Both bikes are using the Salsa Wanderlust rear racks and the Minimalist front racks.

    The Wanderlust are solid, heavy duty racks. Nice and long so it provided ample support of my tent. If you would like some other pics, let me know. I had a hard time finding good quality pics of the rack on the bike when I was buying mine. I'll be glad to help out if I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho View Post
    Both bikes are using the Salsa Wanderlust rear racks and the Minimalist front racks.

    The Wanderlust are solid, heavy duty racks. Nice and long so it provided ample support of my tent. If you would like some other pics, let me know. I had a hard time finding good quality pics of the rack on the bike when I was buying mine. I'll be glad to help out if I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    FWIW, I ride a 55 (my pics are a page or two ago), and wear 43s in bike shoes (I'm running Crank Bros Candy 3 pedals). I rarely have a problem with overlap, and it is pretty easily avoidable.
    How tall are you and what is your inseam?
    I'm trying to guesstimate my frame size.

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    My shoes are a 44, not a 43--sorry.

    I'm a bit over 6', with a 34" inseam. I normally ride a 58cm road bike, but on the vaya, shorter felt more comfortable for me, for the riding I use it for. If I built it again, I might go up one cm, but might not, too.

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    Anyone able to tell me what size/type downtube barrel adjusters I need? I was looking at these and these, but in my search I see these can come in different sizes as well (6mm, 7mm, etc).

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    Thanks for the reply.

    The Vaya already has the braze ons I just need the barrel adjuster that will fit into them.

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    *&^!$@#.... Seems I am now "that guy" that drove into his garage with a bike atop his car.
    Well, it once was a nice vaya build, that I was enjoying the hell out of. Insert any number of emoticons here....

    Doesn't seem like my insurance company covers stupidity. I have been getting increasingly p1ssed with every passing day since the event. I have another frame on back order, but "Joe Louis" aka the 'Brown Bomber' has officially bought the farm.
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    dude, that sucks... sorry...

    as far as insurance, did you you check both your auto policy and you home owners/renters? I know my deductible on my auto would pretty much by a new frame, still worth a look I would think...

    hope you're back on the gravel soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourflys View Post
    dude, that sucks... sorry...

    as far as insurance, did you you check both your auto policy and you home owners/renters? I know my deductible on my auto would pretty much by a new frame, still worth a look I would think...

    hope you're back on the gravel soon!

    Good thought! I will check into my auto ins! Thanks.
    Looking into getting a hitch mount, not cause I plan on doing it again, BUT! in the off chance I did.... I dont know if I could recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Thanks for the reply.

    The Vaya already has the braze ons I just need the barrel adjuster that will fit into them.
    ?? Must be recent production change. We have three Vayas in our family, two 2010s and one 2011 and they all have the old down tube shifter braze-ons.

    Give the folks a Salsa a call or e-mail, they are usually quick to respond and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seebee View Post
    Good thought! I will check into my auto ins! Thanks.
    Looking into getting a hitch mount, not cause I plan on doing it again, BUT! in the off chance I did.... I dont know if I could recover.
    I got a hitch mount when I got my SUV a few months back and it is nice not to have take the wheel off every time... if you have an SUV with a hatch, get a mount that tilts down or away... will make it much easier to get stuff in/out of the back when on a trip... trust me, I know I think Yakima makes a fold down one...
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    OK, after getting home from work and taking a closer look I see the little knobs jutting out of the downtube aren't what I thought they were. So what are these things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    OK, after getting home from work and taking a closer look I see the little knobs jutting out of the downtube aren't what I thought they were. So what are these things?
    you may be talking about where the rear brake cable goes... they are kind of like little stand-offs that you can zip-tie a cable housing to.... there are three on the non-drive side...
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    No, I think they're called shifter bosses or downtube bosses. They're at the top of the downtube on both the right and left side right behind the headtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    No, I think they're called shifter bosses or downtube bosses. They're at the top of the downtube on both the right and left side right behind the headtube.
    oh ok... they is where you could mount downtube shifters if you chose or you have shift-boss barrel stops if you're using STI or bar-end shifters...

    something like these Amazon.com: Shimano STI shift-boss barrel stops, flat pr: Sports & Outdoors
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    Thanks tws21975 and fourfly. Tws21975 you were right the first time. Forgive my ignorance :-)

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    No problem. Make sure you get the concave ones so they match the the shape of the downtube. Also, if you are buying new integrated shifter/brake levers, the cable stops are often included.

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    This is the 60cm frame. This is an all-around road bike, for long road rides and bopping around town. Changes or additions to the stock build include 38mm slicks, 50mm Berthoud fenders, Shimano A530 pedals, a Topeak road master frame pump and a Brooks B17 saddle. I plan to add a dyno hub and light at some point too. If I had to choose one adjective to describe this bike, it would be "comfortable."



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    when do the 2012 come out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pierre meux View Post
    This is the 60cm frame. This is an all-around road bike, for long road rides and bopping around town. Changes or additions to the stock build include 38mm slicks, 50mm Berthoud fenders, Shimano A530 pedals, a Topeak road master frame pump and a Brooks B17 saddle. I plan to add a dyno hub and light at some point too. If I had to choose one adjective to describe this bike, it would be "comfortable."



    Nice looking bike! And my size, too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Megashnauzer View Post
    when do the 2012 come out?
    Salsa doesn't do model years... so there is no 2012 model...
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    CDA - it's about 31.5 inches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Flipped my bar and dropped the stem.. gonna cut the steerer tomorrow.
    I'm thinking about buying a set of those Metropolis bars...do they take a 22.2 clamp for shifters and brake levers?

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    Vaya's are cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourflys View Post
    Salsa doesn't do model years... so there is no 2012 model...
    gotcha. i was looking for a 60cm but they don't seem to be available. i thought we were between model years. i'll look harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megashnauzer View Post
    gotcha. i was looking for a 60cm but they don't seem to be available. i thought we were between model years. i'll look harder.
    ah, I see... I'd give Universal Cycles or Bikeman a call and see if they can get one for you...
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    Your best bet is to call Salsa dealers that don't sell online; all of the online sellers are out of the 60. I'd try dealers in bigger towns and cities--those likely to carry more inventory. It requires some phone time, but that's how I found mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megashnauzer View Post
    gotcha. i was looking for a 60cm but they don't seem to be available. i thought we were between model years. i'll look harder.
    I think Salsa can provide you with a list of dealers that still have a 60 in stock as well... I know they did this a few years back when people were looking for La Raza's...

    good luck, it's a great bike!
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    Almost complete and will post pictures soon. I've had it out on the road a few times to get things tweaked but it is still missing the final touches (no bar tape, etc).

    I'm having a heck of a time getting the BB7 Roads setup right. When the bike is on the stand a half pull of the brake lever locks the wheels up nice and tight, but when I'm on it on the road it takes a full pull of the lever and they still slide to a stop. I'm about 200# but I would think these brakes should be able to lock up the wheels with me on it no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    I'm about 200# but I would think these brakes should be able to lock up the wheels with me on it no problem.
    Keep working on the setup or take them to a shop - they are definitely capable of rapid stoppage. I'm 220# and I have BB7 Road on my Vaya. There is no question about my ability to lock up the brakes at any time. I actually slightly detuned the front cable initially to make lockup less likely. I like the BB7's better than the lower end Shimano hydros on my '08 GF X-Cal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Almost complete and will post pictures soon. I've had it out on the road a few times to get things tweaked but it is still missing the final touches (no bar tape, etc).

    I'm having a heck of a time getting the BB7 Roads setup right. When the bike is on the stand a half pull of the brake lever locks the wheels up nice and tight, but when I'm on it on the road it takes a full pull of the lever and they still slide to a stop. I'm about 200# but I would think these brakes should be able to lock up the wheels with me on it no problem.
    Clean the rotors with isopropyl alcohol (90% or higher), and carefully bed in the pads. Also make sure that you're "pro-loading" the actuator arm before you tighten the cable fixing bolt.

    Which levers are you using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time getting the BB7 Roads setup right....
    Are you sure they're Road calipers and not Mtn calipers?

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    I'm using SRAM Apex brifters, and yes I'm 100% positive they're the BB7_Road calipers.

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    Also regarding the BB7s.

    Is it normally very difficult to turn in the inboard pad knob with just your fingers? I have had to use the wrench almost exclusively to turn those damn things because they hurt my fingers to do it by hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsnack View Post
    Also regarding the BB7s.

    Is it normally very difficult to turn in the inboard pad knob with just your fingers? I have had to use the wrench almost exclusively to turn those damn things because they hurt my fingers to do it by hand.
    Yeah, it's normal. The tool that comes with the brakes is about the only way I can adjust that inner pad on all my BB7s.

    The instructions say that the actuator arm has to be completely relaxed/slack before you tighten the cable, but the brakes work better if you "pre-load" the arm before tightening the cable (you may have to back out the pads for proper clearance). When I adjust my road BB7s, I use a fourth-hand tool to tighten/engage the arm approx 3mm before I tighten the cable fixing bolt. Makes a big difference in stopping power and feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megashnauzer View Post
    when do the 2012 come out?
    Hope the next Vaya Version will have an alternator dropout for riding it singlespeed. Thats the only thing missing to be one of the versatilest bikes on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    Hope the next Vaya Version will have an alternator dropout for riding it singlespeed.
    I don't. I like the alternator dropout better than other SS/geared solutions (EBB's, sliders, etc), but if I'm riding a geared bike, I want a fixed dropout. But that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    I don't. I like the alternator dropout better than other SS/geared solutions (EBB's, sliders, etc), but if I'm riding a geared bike, I want a fixed dropout. But that's me.
    But when you tighten the alternators screws, it *is* fixed.

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    It may have been already answered but I cannot find the post.... I am building a Vaya and would like to use a 11-36 SRAM cassette due to some steep climbs in my area. Has anybody used such a cassette with the APEX rear derailleur (med cage), or should I go for a mountain rear derailleur, such as the X9...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC822 View Post
    It may have been already answered but I cannot find the post.... I am building a Vaya and would like to use a 11-36 SRAM cassette due to some steep climbs in my area. Has anybody used such a cassette with the APEX rear derailleur (med cage), or should I go for a mountain rear derailleur, such as the X9...?
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    You need to research the range that the Apex will cover in number of teeth.

    You then need to consider both front rings and rear sprocket for the total range of gears.

    I have always used medium caged mtb derailleurs on my mtb triples typically with 22/32/44 and 11-34. With correct chain adjustment this allows all but about the top 4 to 5 gears on the granny ring to be used.

    I am pretty sure there is a thread on rear derailleurs and tooth counts somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC822 View Post
    It may have been already answered but I cannot find the post.... I am building a Vaya and would like to use a 11-36 SRAM cassette due to some steep climbs in my area. Has anybody used such a cassette with the APEX rear derailleur (med cage), or should I go for a mountain rear derailleur, such as the X9...?
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    I have the same cassette on my Vaya and had to go with an X-O medium cage to work with the 11-36. My understanding is that the Apex derailleur will only work with an up to 32t.

    The good news is that all of the SRAM 2x10 stuff works nice with each other and it was no problem setting up the SRAM Force brifters, front D, and crankset, to work with the X-O rear-d and cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topher101 View Post
    I have the same cassette on my Vaya and had to go with an X-O medium cage to work with the 11-36. My understanding is that the Apex derailleur will only work with an up to 32t.

    The good news is that all of the SRAM 2x10 stuff works nice with each other and it was no problem setting up the SRAM Force brifters, front D, and crankset, to work with the X-O rear-d and cassette.
    Thanks Topher,
    I also read that the Apex derailleur will only work up to 32t, but I wanted to read it from someone who's actually done it.... I will go with the X9 medium cage (XO is a bit too pricey for my budget) and the 11-36t cassette and have the rest from the Apex group. Will post a pic when the build is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kohlboto View Post
    I'm thinking about buying a set of those Metropolis bars...do they take a 22.2 clamp for shifters and brake levers?
    More "retro" alternative is an On One Mary Bar. You can mount them normal with rise or upsidedown with a little drop. Don't like the fat "aero" part of the metroplis bars

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    I kind of like the idea of alternator dropouts as well to offer adjustable CS length - would make it possible to shorten up for a CX race then stretch back out for touring

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    My 58cm may be for sale soon. I like it fine but find it overkill for the type of road riding I do. I originally built it for commuting but I now mostly work at home.

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    Here is a pic on my Vaya today all dressed up as a pack mule. Actually ride extremely well all loaded down. I did 50 miles today and it felt solid. I was thankful for the 105 triple. I have another 3-4 weeks before the Vaya and I are heading out for a three day ride along the GAP trail.


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    Looks good! I really need to swap my 105 double for a triple.

    I've pondered swapping frames for a Fargo and putting some fat tires on my current wheels. Dunno. Grass is always greener!

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    Can someone recommend a semi-slick/lightly-treaded tires that measures an honest 38-40mm? I just picked up a pair of 700x40 Ritchey SpeedMax Cross tires, and they measure 34.25mm on 23mm rims.
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    continental speed tires?
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    how big do the kenda small block 8's come in? the kenda mountain SB8's measure pretty fat...
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    Most of the Conti's I've ridden measure "one size" narrower than stated; 37mm Contacts were closer to 34mm, and 42mm are 37mm. My 700x35 Vittoria Hypers have nearly the same cross section/volume as my 700x42c Contact Extra Lights.

    Kenda's Happy Medium is available in 700x40, and according to Black Mountain Cycles, they measure 40mm at the side knobs, and 38mm at the casing. I ordered a set from Jenson this morning, and will have them for this weekend's rides.
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