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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    Can someone recommend a rim for 60% pavement & 40% dirt?
    I'm running the Mavic A317 Disc rims on my Vaya. I weigh 220. I've only had the Vaya a little over a week, and I've only put about 40 miles on it (after work only - I've been rained out last weekend and this morning), but those miles have included a fair amount of dirt and gravel. I don't have any reason at this point to doubt the strength or durability of the A317 - I don't hear spokes pinging like I do on my MTB with Bontrager rims. I have 700x38 tires that actually measure at 40mm, and the fit seems fine.

    The A317 and the DT Swiss X470 should be almost exactly the same width (Mavic publishes the ETRTO size, which is inner width, while DT Swiss publishes the outer width), while the TN719 is a bit wider. I think the TN719 is wider than you need.

    Between the A317 and the X470, looking at the construction profile, the A317 should be stronger, while the X470 is lighter - 470g vs. 540g. The A317 has double eyelets, while the X470 has single.

    I'm sure you can't go wrong with either. I have no idea what any of these rims costs, so that is not a factor in my thinking here. I ended up with the A317 and Deore hubs because my LBS found a good deal on the wheels, and so far I'm quite happy with them.

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    I really like my Semi-29er rims. They might be overkill for road use, but I don't have to worry about them, no matter what the trail or the load. Also, they are welded, which is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWS
    I'm running the Mavic A317 Disc rims on my Vaya. I weigh 220. I've only had the Vaya a little over a week, and I've only put about 40 miles on it (after work only - I've been rained out last weekend and this morning), but those miles have included a fair amount of dirt and gravel. I don't have any reason at this point to doubt the strength or durability of the A317 - I don't hear spokes pinging like I do on my MTB with Bontrager rims. I have 700x38 tires that actually measure at 40mm, and the fit seems fine.

    The A317 and the DT Swiss X470 should be almost exactly the same width (Mavic publishes the ETRTO size, which is inner width, while DT Swiss publishes the outer width), while the TN719 is a bit wider. I think the TN719 is wider than you need.

    Between the A317 and the X470, looking at the construction profile, the A317 should be stronger, while the X470 is lighter - 470g vs. 540g. The A317 has double eyelets, while the X470 has single.

    I'm sure you can't go wrong with either. I have no idea what any of these rims costs, so that is not a factor in my thinking here. I ended up with the A317 and Deore hubs because my LBS found a good deal on the wheels, and so far I'm quite happy with them.
    I like the lighter weight of the DTs, but I noticed that DT has a rider limit of 90kg (according to their site). Of course, if Salsa is spec'ing them on all the 700c-equipped bikes, then they're probably fine.

    I'm going to have Universal build up the wheels with some Sun/Ringle hubs that I have in the spare parts box.
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    I have just finished a Vaya (56cm) build up here in Sweden

    Dura Ace bar end shifters
    Tektro RL520 brake levers
    Hayes MX4 disc bakes (avids later)
    Pro-Lite road handle bar (very nice feel)
    Shimano 105 triple crank
    Shimano 105 casette
    Shimano 105 Front Derailleur
    Shimano 105 Rear Derailleur
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    Well folks...my build is coming together, and I was hoping to finish it on Saturday but life's calendar of events has thrown me for a loop. This build is potentially going to be my DK200 rig for my second attempt. However, on Saturday afternoon I snapped me neck skiing in Winter Park. Luckily it's a stable fracture to my C4 and C5, and I find out more from an MRI I should be getting today...so the bike remains partially built in the stand at my place in Fraser while I recuperate during my spring break as a teacher at my girlfriend's place here in Boulder. We'll see what the doctor says, but I'll be surprised if my neck will be strong enough after 6 weeks in a brace to attempt 200 miles on gravel. I should be cleared to ride the stationary bike...but most likely I'll be putting my spot up for sale on the Endurance Racing forum. The field of riders has increased to 300 some participants, so there isn't a waiting list like there was in the past. I'll keep you all posted and send a photo of the partial build if my roommate can take one for me.

    Have fun out there on your bikes! I'm envious! They all look like great builds!
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    I'll play

    Pretty stock build for the most part.

    Added:
    Salsa skewers
    Eggbeaters
    Thomson stem
    Brooks saddle
    It came with a 80mm stem which I just swapped for a 90. Not much of a difference in size but made a huge dif in feel. Other than that not played with fit much.

    Bike is the sheyacht from all initial impressions. Have not put a ton of miles on it, but it has been real fun. Have not ridden a drop bar bike in ages.
    Strange as it is to say, I dont see my niner MCR that I built up getting much exercise unless it I'm hitting mainly trails and rough ones at that. May even steal the erikson seatpost I put on it for the vaya.

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    How are the road BB7s working with the Shimano and SRAM levers? Enough cable pull, or would it be wise to consider the Tektro v-brake (drop bar) levers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    How are the road BB7s working with the Shimano and SRAM levers? Enough cable pull, or would it be wise to consider the Tektro v-brake (drop bar) levers?
    Working fine with my SRAM Rivals, but I have cross top levers, too and I've heard that helps for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryball
    Working fine with my SRAM Rivals, but I have cross top levers, too and I've heard that helps for whatever reason.
    Interesting. I wonder if it's due to "segmenting" the housing or changing the leverage/cable-pull.

    I have a pair of Campy Record levers that seem to pull more cable than the ubiquitous Tektro RL-200s, so I'm hoping that they'll be a better match for the road BB7s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    How are the road BB7s working with the Shimano and SRAM levers? Enough cable pull, or would it be wise to consider the Tektro v-brake (drop bar) levers?
    I built mine with SRAM Apex and BB7's. The stopping power is great from the hoods or drops. I don't have cross levers, although I may install some yet. I really like the ease of adjustment on the BB7's too - my front was rubbing after my first couple of rides, and just a few clicks had the pads the perfect distance from the rotor again.

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    Flipped my bar and dropped the stem.. gonna cut the steerer tomorrow.


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    Nice!

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    My Vaya should start coming together this weekend. Here's the build list:

    Frame/fork: 2011 Salsa Vaya, 57cm, charcoal
    Headset: Cane Creek S-3
    Crankset: Sugino XD2, 170mm, 24/36/46
    BB: Velo Orange sealed
    Pedals: Speedplay Frog, stainless
    Chain: SRAM PC-971
    Cassette: Shimano SLX, 11-32 (9-speed)
    Shifters: Shimano Dura-Ace barcon
    Front der: Shimano Deore II (NOS)
    Rear der: Shimano Deore XT M751 (NOS)
    Hubs: Sun/Ringle Dirty Flea
    Spokes: DT Swiss DB
    Rims: Sun/Ringle Equalizer 23, 32h
    Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hyper, 700x37
    Brakes: Avid BB7 road, 160mm rotors
    Levers: Campagnolo Record carbon
    Seatpost: Velo Orange
    Saddle: Selle An-Atomica
    Stem: Velo Orange, 17-deg, 31.8mm
    Bars: Ritchey Classic Curve, 44cm
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    It's coming together. Waiting on a few parts. Wow the bottom bracket is low (or maybe I'm just used to my 29er MTB!)

    Bontrager RL Wheels, Schwalbe Marathon XR, Avid BB7, SRAM Apex R.Der, Apex Crank, Apex shifters, SRAM Force F.Der, ThudBuster ST Seatpost, Terry Fly Ti Saddle, King Headset, Salsa Bell Lap Bars.
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    I like the color from last year. The blue in the Salsa logo is an awesome compliment. Also, looks great with a Honey Brooks.

    Both of the '11 colors seem to compliment with black seat, stem, bars more, but I prefer the silver and honey combo. Anybody have a build of the new Orange or Charcoal that doesn't have the black trim?

    The light blue/gray Casseroll would look great with honey saddle and matching bar tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeThePlanet
    I like the color from last year. The blue in the Salsa logo is an awesome compliment. Also, looks great with a Honey Brooks.

    Both of the '11 colors seem to compliment with black seat, stem, bars more, but I prefer the silver and honey combo. Anybody have a build of the new Orange or Charcoal that doesn't have the black trim?

    The light blue/gray Casseroll would look great with honey saddle and matching bar tape.
    I'm building up a charcoal frameset with silver cranks, bar, stem, headset, seatpost, and derailleurs.
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    I had the LBS install the headset today. Left the steerer uncut so that I could experiment with different stem heights.



    Excuse the crappy photo, BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    I had the LBS install the headset today. Left the steerer uncut so that I could experiment with different stem heights.



    Excuse the crappy photo, BTW.
    can't wait to see it when done.

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    The Vaya in "adventure" mode. Mounted some WTB All Terrain 700x37 tires. Also swapped out the Brooks for a Selle SMP that I normally ride. Haven't adjusted it yet. Sits lower than the springer Brooks, but wanted to snap a quick pic with the cell phone. Doing a 20 mile ride tonight. Pavement, dirt, rain, etc.



    I much prefer the looks of the brooks. Ill put it on my cruiser until it breaks in and then maybe back on the Vaya

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    Also, forgot to mention that I added a set of A317 rims with XT hubs. Took it for a quick 15 mile ride in the rain yesterday and while I'll never set speed records on it, it was a very stable and comfortable ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66

    I much prefer the looks of the brooks. Ill put it on my cruiser until it breaks in and then maybe back on the Vaya
    I recommend getting it soaking wet, then riding it for a bit. Like, totally waterlogged. I left my bike in the rain once when I had the Brooks for a while already, and it was very soft when I rode home. The next day, it was perfectly shaped to my ass and has been perfect ever since (many miles later). Of course, get some leather conditioner on there after too.

    This is probably best done on your Vaya, not the cruiser, because likely your riding (and thus ass) position are a little different on each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66
    I much prefer the looks of the brooks. Ill put it on my cruiser until it breaks in and then maybe back on the Vaya
    Pick up a 15 oz bottle of this stuff called Leather Honey, Amazon has it and they have a store online as well. Leatherhoney.com I think.

    Follow the directions which is take a clean cloth and wipe down the leather with it. Leave it for 24 hrs and wipe off excess, then ride. Both of my brand new Brooks saddles were instantly broken in after the first ride. I use the can of Proofhide as a hockey puck in the garage now.
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    On the "If I could only have one bike" short list!

    Took it for a 30 mile shakedown ride and it was a blast. Handles great. Steering suprisingly fast for the geometry.

    Route included bike path, dirt road, two track, single track, train track (only a mile), a stream crossing, loose sand, and some hike-a-bike.

    Salsa Vaya 57cm frame
    Bontrager RL 29er Wheels
    Schwalbe Marathon XR 35c folding
    Q-tubes 700x35-43
    Some steel skewers from the parts pile
    Avid BB7 road brakes
    SRAM Apex R.Der
    SRAM Force F.Der
    SRAM Apex Crank with 48x34 rings
    SRAM GXP BB
    Jagwire cables and housing
    SRAM Apex shifters
    Shimano HG8110 11-36 10spd Cassette
    Shimano CN-HG74 Chain
    Shimano cable housing stop (downtube)
    ThudBuster ST Seatpost
    Terry Fly Ti Saddle
    Chris King Headset
    45mm of headset spacers (fork is uncut)
    Salsa Bell Lap Bars 46cm 31.8 clamp
    Salsa Gel cork tape
    Bontrager buzz-kill bar end plugs
    Two King stainless steel bottle cages
    Bontrager RL 100mm Stem
    Shimano M520 SPD
    Some fogging oil in the frame and some anti-seize here and there

    24 pounds 11 ounces plus one pound of pedals and bottle cages = 25 11 complete. Not bad for bombproof!
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    In the city and in the woods

    posted a while back, but couldn't find my post and refused to take my pics. Here's another attempt.

    Pretty stock build, swapped a few parts here and there. Had a thomson post laying about, obligatory brooks b17, some salsa skewers, slightly longer stem and thats about it.

    Sharp looking bike, thought I would want the charcoal, but digging the brown. Do wish the graphics were distilled down to just the salsa lettering. Not a big fan of the tribal motif and def not feeling the Keith Haring(ish) design on the new rides. Nothing against Harings art, just dont like it on a bike.

    Love the versatility and comfort of the bike. Haven't tried it on a very technical trail yet and not sure I will intentionally do so - would rather sport the niner.

    Using it to commute and to get from city to fire roads and back without dealing with the car.

    Vaya con dios, muchachos we ride! sorry, couldn't resist
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    From what I've seen, I think the original dark brown is my favorite of the 3 colors. Not that I'd turn down any of the others if someone wanted to give me one.

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    For you guys using compacts in the dirt how is that working out for you? I currently have mountain gearing on my bike but got a sweet deal on a Shimano 105 compact crankset 50/34 on the rear it's MTN 11-32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
    For you guys using compacts in the dirt how is that working out for you? I currently have mountain gearing on my bike but got a sweet deal on a Shimano 105 compact crankset 50/34 on the rear it's MTN 11-32.
    50/36 Truvativ 10speed, 12-36 SLX 9speed, XT 9speed RD, Sora 2X FD, SRAM 9speed chain, 9speed bar-end shifters. Works awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
    For you guys using compacts in the dirt how is that working out for you? I currently have mountain gearing on my bike but got a sweet deal on a Shimano 105 compact crankset 50/34 on the rear it's MTN 11-32.
    I'm considering switching from a triple to a compact double. The triple is 24/36/46, and I'm looking at a 34/46 or 34/48 double. I'd change the cassette from an 11-32 to an 11-34 so I could a get a 1:1 low gear. The only thing that concerns me is how quickly the 34t chainring would wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sklevorn
    Took it for a 30 mile shakedown ride and it was a blast. Handles great. Steering suprisingly fast for the geometry.

    Route included bike path, dirt road, two track, single track, train track (only a mile), a stream crossing, loose sand, and some hike-a-bike.

    Salsa Vaya 57cm frame
    Bontrager RL 29er Wheels
    Schwalbe Marathon XR 35c folding
    Q-tubes 700x35-43
    Some steel skewers from the parts pile
    Avid BB7 road brakes
    SRAM Apex R.Der
    SRAM Force F.Der
    SRAM Apex Crank with 48x34 rings
    SRAM GXP BB
    Jagwire cables and housing
    SRAM Apex shifters
    Shimano HG8110 11-36 10spd Cassette
    Shimano CN-HG74 Chain
    Shimano cable housing stop (downtube)
    ThudBuster ST Seatpost
    Terry Fly Ti Saddle
    Chris King Headset
    45mm of headset spacers (fork is uncut)
    Salsa Bell Lap Bars 46cm 31.8 clamp
    Salsa Gel cork tape
    Bontrager buzz-kill bar end plugs
    Two King stainless steel bottle cages
    Bontrager RL 100mm Stem
    Shimano M520 SPD
    Some fogging oil in the frame and some anti-seize here and there

    24 pounds 11 ounces plus one pound of pedals and bottle cages = 25 11 complete. Not bad for bombproof!
    That looks fantastic! How do you like the Schwalbe tires on pavement? Do they run true to size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    My Vaya should start coming together this weekend. Here's the build list:
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    Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hyper, 700x37
    MHM - Do you have your Vaya together yet? I've been looking around at slickish tires to replace the WTB Pathways I have on mine, and it came down to your choice, the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper, and the Panaracer RiBMo. I just had my LBS order the Hyper this morning. I went with the 35c, which I understand is actually more like 36.5mm on a rim a bit wider than the typical road rim.

    I was just wondering what your experience has been - you know, looking to validate my decision. I ended up settling on the Hyper because it is lighter than the RiBMo, and I've read some good reviews of its ride quality. Sounds like the RiBMo might be more durable, but I have yet to own a bike long enough to go through a lot of tires, so I'm not too worried about that aspect.

    The WTB's are heavy and the tread makes for iffy cornering on pavement. Right now I'm riding more asphalt than I would have thought, although mostly bad asphalt.

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    Vaytanium

    Just picked up my Vaytanium today from Tobie, Ari and the boys at North Central Cyclery, in Dekalb, IL.

    It started with a simple vision...drop bars, disc brakes, lightweight, do-all bike. Mounts for fenders and racks. Comfortable geometry for just about any riding one can imagine. Dream components...build it right, once.

    Ari steered me towards a Ti-Vaya...and he was right on the money. With the above-listed goals in mind, the build went from there.

    King hubs, front and rear, and King headset.
    Sram Rival drivetrain, with 11-32 cassette and 36-46 compact crankset.
    BB-7 Road disc brakes.
    Kent Eriksen Sweetpost Ti seatpost.
    Fizik Alliante XM saddle.
    Deda stem and Deda RHM-02 drop bars, with gel wrap. (The bars have a 'flattened' profile at the top).
    Crank Brothers Candy (3) pedals.
    Salsa skewers.
    Kingcage titanium bottle cages.
    After much searching, a Winwood Muddy Cross Disc-compatible carbon fork.
    Continental Cyclocross Speed clinchers in 700x35c
    Velocity A23 rims, hand-laced to the above-mentioned King hubs by Ari.
    A little (hopefully tasteful) blue annodizing, to set off the Ti parts...

    Those are the highpoints. Allow me to apologize in advance for the crappy pics (iPhone) and for the gaudy seatpost bag and Garmin mounted...I promise that proper pics will follow in a week or two, when I get a minute. Tonight, I couldn't wait to take her out for a ride...and a 5 mile jaunt turned into a 30 mile cruise. The ride--amazing. My previous road-esque bikes have been aluminum (Trek FX 7.6) or carbon (Scattante CFR Race). Titanium rides totally different. I'm having a hard time describing it...maybe taut? You know the feeling that a properly tuned guitar string has, before you strum it? Not a vibration...but taut. Crappy roads get filtered out. Big hits get softened. But it doesn't feel noodly or spongy at all. The winwood fork is probably a bit stiffer than it needs to be for casual riding...but if you push the bike, it is amazingly responsive (and yet the geometry is such that it is not a nervous bike at all...it's happy to be ridden hard and stomped on, or to just cruise along. It really seems like the kind of bike that you could really put the miles on). Pushing it to the limits of adhesion on low-traction surfaces, the tires break away in a linear, easily predictable fashion. On hard surfaces, the Contis roll fast. That's about all the detail I can give in one night's ride.

    As shown (with Garmin, but without seatbag), it weighs around 20# (edited...realized scale wasn't properly zeroed). By comparison, my Scattante is just over 18# similarly configured. The Velocity A23s seem to be both stiffer and lighter than the Mavic Aksiums on the Scattante. Anything else?

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    well damn, my vaya just turned green. Guess I can take some solace in having saved a few bucks!? hmmm, I'll try that line later, aint working at the moment.

    Real nice build Mistah lawfarm. Tasty little blue bits and all stops pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWS
    MHM - Do you have your Vaya together yet? I've been looking around at slickish tires to replace the WTB Pathways I have on mine, and it came down to your choice, the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper, and the Panaracer RiBMo. I just had my LBS order the Hyper this morning. I went with the 35c, which I understand is actually more like 36.5mm on a rim a bit wider than the typical road rim.

    I was just wondering what your experience has been - you know, looking to validate my decision. I ended up settling on the Hyper because it is lighter than the RiBMo, and I've read some good reviews of its ride quality. Sounds like the RiBMo might be more durable, but I have yet to own a bike long enough to go through a lot of tires, so I'm not too worried about that aspect.

    The WTB's are heavy and the tread makes for iffy cornering on pavement. Right now I'm riding more asphalt than I would have thought, although mostly bad asphalt.
    I haven't finished building the Vaya. Ran into a hitch with a couple of parts, and had to order some replacements (stuff I transferred over from my SOMA).

    The 700x35 Hyper measures 36.5mm on a 24mm (Velocity Dyad) rim, and 35mm on a 23mm (Sun Equalizer) rim. Lots of flotation, and reasonably fast on pavement. A little dicey in loose conditions, but what slick isn't?

    I just received a pair of Serfas Vida Hybrid tires to review, so I'll probably put those on before I finish the Vaya's build.
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    Hello all Vayans. I am about to take the plunge early next week and order a 58cm Vaya frame in orange.

    Its first purpose is to be a comfortable commuter with a Topeak rack and pannier combo. In the longer term a few long country road rides beckon.

    Unlike most people using these primarily for touring I have a strong preference for flat bars over drop bars for my commuting. I have a few concerns about the top tube being a bit short for flat bars, but I have ordered a size larger than I would for running drops and plan to run a 120mm stem. This will make my cockpit about 25mm shorter than my current commuter, a Canondale Bad Boy Alfine. I think this will be quite acceptable and perhaps even more comfortable than my current setup.

    My build plan includes a combination of bits I already have and a few that I will need to buy.

    Cranks XT M771 26/36/48
    Brake and Shifters XT M775 dual control hydraulic discs (to buy)
    FD XTR M971
    RD XT M770 Rapid Rise (to buy)
    For commuting
    Mavic Open Pro rims on XTR centrelock hubs
    Cassette Ultegra 12-27
    Tyres Vittoria Radonneur Hyper 700x35

    Finally a carbon fork would be nice. I see the WInwood on the Vaytanium and I see the Trigons are available on ebay. Anything else that I can land in Australia for a decent price would be of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma

    Finally a carbon fork would be nice. I see the WInwood on the Vaytanium and I see the Trigons are available on ebay. Anything else that I can land in Australia for a decent price would be of interest.
    The Winwood is no longer made...if you can find one, I like it a lot.

    The Trigons seem to be a good option.

    Wound Up also makes one, but it's pricey (and the disc brake mount is, in my opinion, kludgey). I wanna say they want around $600.
    http://www.woundupcomposites.com/team_x_disc.html

    Nashbar sells one as well:
    http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...1_10000_200456

    That one is supposed to be in stock next week, and runs around $120...pretty hard to beat, and it gets good reviews.

    Finally, if you have a local Trek dealer, the Trek Portland sports a carbon, disc-friendly fork...I'm pretty curious if one could order just the fork (as a Portland part), and what the price would be.

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    Thanks lawfarm. I will see if I can get the Nashbar sent overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma
    Thanks lawfarm. I will see if I can get the Nashbar sent overseas.
    If you can't, drop me a PM. That's a pretty rockstar price...I'm happy to see what it would cost for me to buy one, have it shipped to me, and then I'll send it to you. If I sent it USPS, it would probably be pretty cheap, and the Nashbar ones get good reviews. They were going to be my 2nd choice, if the Winwood didn't work out. (Couldn't get past the look of the disc brake mount on the Wound Up).

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    I almost finished building up my Vaya today, and I was immediately reminded that I really don't like the stock semi-metallic pads. Time to grab a couple sets of the organic pads.
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    Just need to tape the 'bars and it'll be good to go:



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    Nice looking bike! What bars are you running on that Vaya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRUMP73
    Nice looking bike! What bars are you running on that Vaya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma
    Hello all Vayans. I am about to take the plunge early next week and order a 58cm Vaya frame in orange.
    Well I got some bad news from the Australian distributor via my local bike shop.

    No 2011 Vaya framesets in orange being imported to Australia till around November 2011.

    I can only get last years model in brown.

    I might have to investigate a private import ...

    I wonder what my chances of getting a ti frame instead are?

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    Here is mine

    Here one of my two Vayas - this one is "go fast"
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    Hi

    A question. Is it completely necesary to install barrel adjust with BB7 Road with road levers style? I found one of this barrel adjust in the box, but in the other box of the BB7 thare wasn´t

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    Yes, the BB7s need a barrel adjuster. BB5s do not.

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    Nice!

    My bike will be very similar than yours, MileHighMark, I´ll post here.
    I was thinking in put the cable of the end bar under the tape (stetic only)
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    I asked my LBS about putting the bar end shifter cable under the tape for aesthetic purposes, but they told me it was not really feasible because of the turns would bind the cable and make it shift horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009
    I asked my LBS about putting the bar end shifter cable under the tape for aesthetic purposes, but they told me it was not really feasible because of the turns would bind the cable and make it shift horrible.

    Not true. I did that on my Fargo and the shifting is flawless. This is no longer the current tape but the routing is still the same: http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/IMG_1317.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
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    What gearing did you go with. I have a 26-36-48 up front and an 11-34 9 speed in back on my bar end Vaya. I love having the 26-34 granny gear, but I wish I had a little higher gear for the flats and downhills. i wouldnt change the top end at the expense of the granny gear though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasius
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    A question. Is it completely necesary to install barrel adjust with BB7 Road with road levers style? I found one of this barrel adjust in the box, but in the other box of the BB7 thare wasn´t
    I didn't bother. My Vaya is the second bike on which I've installed BB7 road brakes without an adjuster. Maybe it'll bite me in the ass some day but it hasn't yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009
    What gearing did you go with. I have a 26-36-48 up front and an 11-34 9 speed in back on my bar end Vaya. I love having the 26-34 granny gear, but I wish I had a little higher gear for the flats and downhills. i wouldnt change the top end at the expense of the granny gear though.
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    How is everybody using there Vaya? Commuter? Tourer? Main road bike? Jack of all trades?

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    Started off using mine as a general badvweather bike. My other road bike is a Team Saxo carbon and I don't like riding it in rain, snow, etc. Since I got my Vaya, I use it for everything short of fast group rides or time trails. I best I have 400 miles on the Vaya since I got it and only 30 miles on the carbon in that same time

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    I use my Vaya as a commuter/errand bike and also for bike path/road/gravel road rides when the singletrack is to wet/snowy to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm
    Just picked up my Vaytanium today from Tobie, Ari and the boys at North Central Cyclery, in Dekalb, IL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb
    What kind of bars are you running on your Vaya? Do you have a better pic of them?
    FSA Metropolis bar - can be run either way to give 1.5" rise or 1.5" drop, reasonable sweep, they are awesome! The 'narrow' hand position isn't great but can be used. Come in black ano too.

    This is them flipped over:


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    My Salsa Vaya on its maiden ride this weekend:



    I had planned on taking it out for about an hour just to get things dialed in, but I was having so much fun the ride lasted about two-and-a-half and only ended because my wife and kids were waiting for me to have lunch with them. The Vaya was quicker on pavement than I expected (and oh-so-smooth), fun on the rougher stuff, and even capable on a quick singletrack detour.

    My build right now is a mix of stuff that will stay on the bike and stuff borrowed from my hardtail and parts bin, just to get it ride-ready in time for the upcoming Almanzo 100.

    BARS: Salsa Woodchipper (I like these a lot, though the best lever setup for roads is not great for singletrack, and vice-versa)
    LEVERS: Tektro RL520
    BRAKES: Avid BB7 (I'm thinking I should upgrade from standard cables and housing to firm them up some, though they are suitable for now)
    SHIFTERS: Dura-Ace Bar End (I've never used bar ends before, but I found myself really liking them and the money saved vs STIs)
    WHEELS: DT Swiss x470 rims on SRAM 506 hubs
    F DER: Shimano Deore LX (borrowed from my hardtail)
    R DER: Shimano XT (borrowed from my hardtail)
    CRANKSET: Truvativ Stylo (borrowed from my hardtail)
    SEATPOST: Thomson Elite (borrowed from my hardtail)
    HEADSET: Cane Creek 40 (I've got low-to-midrange Cane Creek headsets on all my bikes and have never needed anything fancier)
    STEM: Origin 8 (temporary to determine what length and rise to eventually go with)
    PEDALS: Crank Bros Eggbeaters
    TIRES: Continental Travel Contact 37mm (I was disappointed when I received these to find that they actually measure only about 32mm. They roll well on pavement and hold nicely off road, but I think I'll eventually switch them out for something with more volume)
    SADDLE: Brooks B-17 (this was originally on one of my Gunnar s, but I figure it will fit the more upright position and rough surface rides of the Vaya better)

    Took forever to get my hands on a frameset, but the wait was worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeThePlanet
    How is everybody using there Vaya? Commuter? Tourer? Main ? Jack of all trades?
    Jack of all trades. My stable is presently 4 bikes:

    Surly Big Dummy: Hauling my 3yo daughter in the peapod...trips to town for stuff...general screwing around...cruising with the wife...used to be used for intermediate touring and light singletrack (when I didn't feel like the 'Fish).

    Gary Fisher Rumblefish: All things mountain biking, singletracking, etc. Used to be used for more 'light' singletracking.

    Scattante CFR Race: Road rides, group rides...used to be used for light touring, solo training and solo hard surface rides.

    Vaya TI: Way too much fun to ride, so it's getting everything. Light singletracking, light touring, solo road/path/gravel rides. Group rides other than the fastest pace groups.

    Basically, the Vaya is doing everything other than specialty jobs. The 'Fish is managing off-road rides, the Dummy is managing cargo and passengers, and the carbon bike is doing high-speed road rides. The Vaya does all else. If I had to go down to just one bike, it would be the Vaya.

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    Wow I am about to place an order for something that will be very similar to your build. Beautiful looking bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb
    I'm having a hard time visualizing what they'd look like 'un-flipped'...but they look great!

    I am trying to outfit mine as mainly a tourer, so I'm not sure these would work for me, but they are way cool!

    Right now I have a stock build...
    I would love to try out a set of woodchippers myself for touring, but these are great for short to medium rides

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    How are folks routing their front brake cable (with drop bars)? I've tried several different cable paths, and they all end up looking like hell and rubbing on the head tube, etc.

    Suggestions (and pictures) would be greatly appreciated.
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    I'm just posting to get alerts on this thread. sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan
    I'm just posting to get alerts on this thread. sorry.
    For future reference - you can use the "Subscribe to this Thread" link near the bottom left of the page to do that without posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    How are folks routing their front brake cable (with drop bars)? I've tried several different cable paths, and they all end up looking like hell and rubbing on the head tube, etc.

    Suggestions (and pictures) would be greatly appreciated.
    Here's a look from above on my Fargo set up with Origin 8 Gary II Bars. (It wouldn't matter if they were any other dirt drop or road bar though)

    Looking carefully, you'll notice that all cables are routed under the tape and come out near the stem where the tape finishes on the tops. The front brake cable loops out to the drive side, then back behind the fork crown, down the left fork leg to the disc caliper.

    I call it, "The Boucher Route", since Jason Boucher of Salsa showed it to me. You won't have any cable rub on the head tube at all with this routing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Here's a look from above on my Fargo set up with Origin 8 Gary II Bars. (It wouldn't matter if they were any other dirt drop or road bar though)

    Looking carefully, you'll notice that all cables are routed under the tape and come out near the stem where the tape finishes on the tops. The front brake cable loops out to the drive side, then back behind the fork crown, down the left fork leg to the disc caliper.

    I call it, "The Boucher Route", since Jason Boucher of Salsa showed it to me. You won't have any cable rub on the head tube at all with this routing.
    You got a photo of this from the front, GT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Huntwood
    You got a photo of this from the front, GT?
    My bike is facing backwards here, but this Fargo is routed in like manner to mine.
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    I have gone from a half dozen bikes to two - The Vaya does everything on road and nearly road, while the Chameleon does all trails and tricks. Commuting a 12 mile round trip 3-4 days a week, grocery runs, fun rides, and touring.

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    Looks like fun. Could I pull that off with my single speed Casseroll or would the top tube be too long to be comfy in those bars?



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    After about a month of tinkering/changing things and getting in some saddle time on my Vaya, I think I have finally found bike “utopia”. For this bike, I was looking to build a foul weather, commuter, light touring, buggy pulling, do everything bike.

    Here she sits in her finished state (yeah, I know…no bike is every finished, but good enough for now). The bike is great on gravel, decent on single track, I can roll along at 17mph on pavement.

    2011 Vaya 56cm
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    Ultegra/105 components.
    Shimano 105 brifters
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    Cygolite TridenX Xtra light (battery mounted in water bottle)
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    I also have a rack and panniers for touring.


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    The black on black is niiiiiiiiice.

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    I really like the little details such as this:

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    I might try those 37c WTBs out, I wouldn't mind something a little more gravel-friendly than my 32c Tservs, and I am worried about fender clearance if I try the 40c Marathon Cross tires I really want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    How are folks routing their front brake cable (with drop bars)? I've tried several different cable paths, and they all end up looking like hell and rubbing on the head tube, etc.

    Suggestions (and pictures) would be greatly appreciated.
    Where I have cables rubbing against the head tube, I've been using small strips of electrical tape to make sure the cables don't rub off the finish. Looks a bit ghetto, but my Fargo is a utilitarian bike and not a show bike. I did the same thing on my Mukluk where the cables were touching the head tube as well.

    I route the front brake cable in front of the head tube and then down the fork. I keep my cables fairly tight to the head tube. I had the shifter cables coming straight out of the bottom of the drops on my LHT and really hated how in the way they felt.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4533010574/" title="IMG_1131 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/4533010574_2cf7808373.jpg" width="500" height="446" alt="IMG_1131"></a>

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    Just got word from Paul Components that 31.8mm thumbies are in the works, so I'm going to switch to a Woodchipper bar when that happens!

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    Gawd! I want one of these. They have a fleet of them built up at the store I pass on my way to work. (droool). And I did NOT need to want another bike!

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    Just a little update...my Vaytanium carried me through the Gravel Metric/Gravel Grinder put on by North Central Cyclery and Half Acre Cycling on Sunday. 63 miles of gravel, mud, standing water, waist deep creek crossings, more mud, more water, lightning, pouring rain, wind, more mud, more rain. The creek crossing obviously required shouldering the bike, but for everything else, it was either ridden or pushed (the worst mud). Had flooding that was pouring over some of the gravel roads, and hit water above the BB (rode through).

    Ride was epic. Bike was better than I had any right to expect. The Contis are obviously not well-suited to mud, but they did better than I expected (and were perfect on gravel and the little asphalt that we did). Drivetrain was, surprisingly (given the conditions), flawless. Wheels held up perfectly to the abuse. Brakes need some adjustment. I pulled everything apart last night, and the BB and Chris King hubs look good. Pedals were a little less fluid than I liked (post-ride), so I lubed them up as well.

    All in all, bike did awesome, and was as comfortable as one could hope for a ride of this nature.

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    OK, thought I'd add my build. Thanks to all past posters, I learned a LOT from the great builds from lurking on this thread.
    58cm Frame- fits fine, was worried that I should have gone with a 60. (6'2" with 33" inseam)
    Stan's ZTR 29er rims, American Classic Hubs
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    Build done at Black Mountain Cycles in Pt. Reyes, CA (Mike is a PRO) Check his blog!
    Rode home from the shop, a great mix of road and dirt, this shot is on the dirt with Mt. Tam in the background. I had a big grin on my face the whole ride, and pinch myself that I can have this sweet rig on my commute every day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty412 View Post
    OK, thought I'd add my build. Thanks to all past posters, I learned a LOT from the great builds from lurking on this thread.
    58cm Frame- fits fine, was worried that I should have gone with a 60. (6'2" with 33" inseam)
    Stan's ZTR 29er rims, American Classic Hubs
    Thomson setback seatpost
    WTB Rocket Nicro Saddle
    Salsa Woodchipper Bars
    Ritchey WCS 100mm Stem
    SRAM Rival 175 crankset
    SRAM Apex 11-32
    Apex Brake/Shifters
    Apex Front/Rear Der
    Shimano XT Pedals
    Schwalbe Marathon Extreme tires(tubeless)
    Avid BB-7 Brakes
    Build done at Black Mountain Cycles in Pt. Reyes, CA (Mike is a PRO) Check his blog!
    Rode home from the shop, a great mix of road and dirt, this shot is on the dirt with Mt. Tam in the background. I had a big grin on my face the whole ride, and pinch myself that I can have this sweet rig on my commute every day...
    nice bike! my dimensions are similar to yours and have been looking, I can't find a 58cm in black online and thought about a getting a 60

    that background looks like where I am (santa cruz)

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    I have searched everywhere and I can't seem to find the steerer tube length, is it 300mm or longer like the fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewJL View Post
    I have searched everywhere and I can't seem to find the steerer tube length, is it 300mm or longer like the fargo?
    300mm on my 57cm frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewJL View Post
    nice bike! my dimensions are similar to yours and have been looking, I can't find a 58cm in black online and thought about a getting a 60
    Andrew - I'm also 6'2" and 33" inseam and I'm riding a 57. I got a 400mm seat post, but I think I could have used a 350 - in part because my Brooks saddle is tall. I was worried the 57 would be too small, but my LBS was right on about the size. I think the issue is whether the top tube is the right length for you. I need a more upright position for my back, so while I could ride a 58 or 60, the 57 allows me more adjustability to get comfortable. If I ever get more flexibility in my back and hamstrings, I can get a bit more aero by going to a lower rise stem - I'm using a 10* now.

    Depending on your needs and preferred riding position, a 57 might be a consideration for you, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWS View Post
    Andrew - I'm also 6'2" and 33" inseam and I'm riding a 57. I got a 400mm seat post, but I think I could have used a 350 - in part because my Brooks saddle is tall. I was worried the 57 would be too small, but my LBS was right on about the size. I think the issue is whether the top tube is the right length for you. I need a more upright position for my back, so while I could ride a 58 or 60, the 57 allows me more adjustability to get comfortable. If I ever get more flexibility in my back and hamstrings, I can get a bit more aero by going to a lower rise stem - I'm using a 10* now.

    Depending on your needs and preferred riding position, a 57 might be a consideration for you, too.
    I have first gen xl fargo and it fits great but I ride in the drops or "hook" 90% of the time (I have the middle of the hook at saddle level). The fargo has a 10mm 5 deg stem

    I also have a nashbar cx frame .xl-59.5 TT I cannot get the bars high enough (1/2"-1" drop) even with using all of the steerer tube and a 120mm 20 deg stem.

    I was hoping the vaya had a longer steerer tube.

    I wanted to use the nitto noodle for bars so the 57 with a riser stem may be a good option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66 View Post
    After about a month of tinkering/changing things and getting in some saddle time on my Vaya, I think I have finally found bike “utopia”. For this bike, I was looking to build a foul weather, commuter, light touring, buggy pulling, do everything bike.

    Here she sits in her finished state (yeah, I know…no bike is every finished, but good enough for now). The bike is great on gravel, decent on single track, I can roll along at 17mph on pavement.

    2011 Vaya 56cm
    Selle SMP extra saddle
    Shimano 105 triple crank
    Ultegra/105 components.
    Shimano 105 brifters
    Mavic A317/XT hubs
    BB7 disk brakes
    Cygolite TridenX Xtra light (battery mounted in water bottle)
    Planet Bike fenders
    WTB 700X37 All-Terrain tires
    Topeak frame pump
    Garmin Edge 500 GPS
    I also have a rack and panniers for touring.

    WOW! That is looking absolutely fantastic!
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    My stock 2010:



    I've had it since Sept. 10, 2010. It "replaced" a 2000 Bianchi Volpe, the Vaya is so much more bike. The extra tire clearance, the brakes, and that wonderful frameset. What a bike, it really lets me link together the best of the dirt and paved roads allowing for safer, longer, more challenging, and more fun rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tws21975 View Post
    My stock 2010:



    I've had it since Sept. 10, 2010. It "replaced" a 2000 Bianchi Volpe, the Vaya is so much more bike. The extra tire clearance, the brakes, and that wonderful frameset. What a bike, it really lets me link together the best of the dirt and paved roads allowing for safer, longer, more challenging, and more fun rides.
    Nice Salsa! Best of all, it looks well ridden!

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    Thanks Dann...As soon as I think I am finished, I start changing things. I added an Easton carbon seat post a couple days ago (like the weight difference is going to make ANY noticeable difference on a steel bike with fenders and fat tires!). Actually the post came with a bike I got in a trade and it was nicer than the Bontrager post I had so I swapped them out. I felt the bars were just a bit too high and long for me, so I added a shorter Salsa stem and removed a spacer. I also got a second set of rims mounted up with some 700X32 road tires. The WTBs roll insanely well for a 37 all terrain tire, but I wanted something a bit faster for those days when the road are dry, clean, etc. I think next up is a red King headset and matching red Salsa seat clamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66 View Post
    Thanks Dann...As soon as I think I am finished, I start changing things. I added an Easton carbon seat post a couple days ago (like the weight difference is going to make ANY noticeable difference on a steel bike with fenders and fat tires!). Actually the post came with a bike I got in a trade and it was nicer than the Bontrager post I had so I swapped them out. I felt the bars were just a bit too high and long for me, so I added a shorter Salsa stem and removed a spacer. I also got a second set of rims mounted up with some 700X32 road tires. The WTBs roll insanely well for a 37 all terrain tire, but I wanted something a bit faster for those days when the road are dry, clean, etc. I think next up is a red King headset and matching red Salsa seat clamp.
    That sounds fantastic! I am in the process of deciding if I want to go all brown or all black with my orange Vaya. I'm pretty sure i'll stick with black. My next upgrade is going to be the Brooks saddle and then a black King headset. I already have the black fenders and all my accessories (lights, bags, pump ect) are black already so it makes the most sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dann C View Post
    That sounds fantastic! I am in the process of deciding if I want to go all brown or all black with my orange Vaya. I'm pretty sure i'll stick with black. My next upgrade is going to be the Brooks saddle and then a black King headset. I already have the black fenders and all my accessories (lights, bags, pump ect) are black already so it makes the most sense.
    Yeah, I think I would go all black as well. Especially given the black pieces you have already. I saw your bike on the other post and it is a seriously nice looking ride. I have an orange Masi Speciale SS and I went with all black parts on it and it looks killer.

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    another build


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    Fully dressed

    Just finished this build and went on my first ride still need some dialing in.

    Salsa Vaya 56cm
    Salsa Bell Lap bars
    Cane Creek brake levers
    Avid BB7 MTN brakes
    Chris King headset
    Race Face stem and seat post
    Terry Fly Ti saddle
    Dura Ace bar end shifters
    105 triple crankset and front derailleur
    XT rear derailleur and cassette, 9 speed
    Stans Arch rims
    Hope Evo Pro 2 hubs
    Schwalbe Marathon XR 35c tires, tube less soon
    Axiom Journey rear rack
    Blackburn MTN front rack
    SKS Alley Cat fenders
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    I will be picking up a complete 58cm soon. (Hopefully today!) This thread is just great. I love the uniqueness of the frame but at the same time it's extremely versatile.

    Question for Ocho: Can you comment on the combination of the Eriksen ti post and brooks saddle? I'm considering the same setup. I like them both separately, are they even better together?

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    Hvnfun....SWEET Vaya. Love the red paint...assuming that is paint? The badge on the headtube looks killer with the red. Nice job!

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    Thanks, it's paint, a little enamel from the arts and crafts store to spice it up.

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    I might have to sell my Vaya. I love it but the house needs repairs.
    If anyone is looking for a very nicely built brown 58cm let me know.

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    Drivetrain setup help -
    Anyone see an obvious issue with what I thought would be a workable final solution?
    SRAM Apex 48/34 crank
    SRAM X9 r.der med cage
    Shimano HG8110 11-36 10spd cassette
    Shimano HG-X chain

    I initially had an Apex der in the rear. Even though it is only rated for a 32 cog max it was working reasonably well but getting it out of the big cog was a problem. So I installed a medium cage SRAM X9 rear der thinking it would be an easy solution and I struggled for a 1/2 hour or so to get it dialed in (Did not add / remove chain links from previous set-up but did resize cable housing from chainstay to rear der). .

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