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    well, my 56 is for sale

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    hate to do it, but found something else I want even more

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    Here's a cute little 52cm we built for a customer since someone asked for 52cm photos. Really nice bike, the owner has ridden it a ton since May.
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    I was wondering what you guys are running for fenders. I have the stock tires on, but I don't think I would go any bigger. Once these wear out I'll probably be getting some Marathon Plus's, 1.75. Anyway, I was looking at these. http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7029.html Does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns
    I was wondering what you guys are running for fenders. I have the stock tires on, but I don't think I would go any bigger. Once these wear out I'll probably be getting some Marathon Plus's, 1.75. Anyway, I was looking at these. http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7029.html Does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks!
    I'm not sure the 65mm fenders will fit - without sme modification... I LOVE my Dremel - yeah, that sounded creepy... sorry for that). but if they do - that's a great set.

    I've got SKS P-50 fenders that I added Planet bike mud flaps to... it took about 5 minutes of Dremel work on the SKS fenders and they fit perfectly. You could probably use a file to do the same thing...

    The SKS fenders aren't that long in the back (particularly on the rear wheel) so I called Planet bike and ordered some mudflaps. tHey arrived in 3 dys with a lovely note wishing me well on my tour! I lived in Madison for a bit and really like those folks - they're an excellent company to deal with.

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    I liked the SKS fendser because they were a bit wider...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    I'm not sure the 65mm fenders will fit - without sme modification... I LOVE my Dremel - yeah, that sounded creepy... sorry for that). but if they do - that's a great set.

    I've got SKS P-50 fenders that I added Planet bike mud flaps to... it took about 5 minutes of Dremel work on the SKS fenders and they fit perfectly. You could probably use a file to do the same thing...

    The SKS fenders aren't that long in the back (particularly on the rear wheel) so I called Planet bike and ordered some mudflaps. tHey arrived in 3 dys with a lovely note wishing me well on my tour! I lived in Madison for a bit and really like those folks - they're an excellent company to deal with.

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    I liked the SKS fendser because they were a bit wider...
    Thanks! I'll check them out. Madison WI? Went to college there and grew up in Green Bay. The only part about WI I miss is Madison.
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    Ahhh Madison... :o

    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns
    Thanks! I'll check them out. Madison WI? Went to college there and grew up in Green Bay. The only part about WI I miss is Madison.
    I miss lots about Madison: My cycling friends Joe, Mark, Faye, and others, Bob's Bad Breath Burger and a beer at The Weary Traveler, the Wednesday Night Bike ride and post ride beers, The Horribly Hilly Hundreds (ride that 3x!), Riding the Kettles all alone on a Friday afternoon into sunset, The Wisconsin Bike Fed., evening rides to Paoli with the sun setting on the way home, getting a bike fit at CronoMetro, ... I could go on.

    Not that Colorado Springs isn't great... just different.



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    I'm so torn right now. I have flopped between a Fargo and Vaya about 3 times over the past month. I am waiting to see what the 2011 stuff looks like, but I keep coming down to this single debate.....
    I currently have a Soma Double Cross with mostly Rival setup that is my cross race bike in the fall and commuter/early season trainer the other months.
    I like the idea of the 29" tires on the Fargo, but feel that the concept of the Vaya is more what I would use the whole bike for. I.E. dirt roads, gravel, paved, no major off roading, but some single track here and there like I do with my Soma. I do plan on doing some touring with the bike with a BOB trailer and it is going to be my daily commuter to work while the Soma becomes strictly a cyclocross race bike and early season trainer.
    Where my dilema comes is I almost feel the Vaya is a 26" disc brake version of my Soma, while the Fargo may be a more versatile platform that I has very little crossover with my Soma. I really like the idea of the fork leg bottle mounts for extended touring and epic day long adventures.
    I know this is the debate that comes up all the time. Currently one of each is not an option, I'd need to decide between the two and stick with that decision for awhile.
    Any input from the vaya users here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevereeneo
    I've got SKS P-50 fenders that I added Planet bike mud flaps to... it took about 5 minutes of Dremel work on the SKS fenders and they fit perfectly. You could probably use a file to do the same thing...

    I liked the SKS fendser because they were a bit wider...
    Do you have any pictures on your "dremel work" and how you fitted the fenders?

    How wide tires can you run with them?

    Would SKS P45 would fit without any modifications?

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    Just to clarify

    Quote Originally Posted by jne
    Do you have any pictures on your "dremel work" and how you fitted the fenders?

    How wide tires can you run with them?

    Would SKS P45 would fit without any modifications?
    The Dremel work was just to put the Planet Bike mud flaps on those SKS fenders - sorry - I didn't make that clear in my post. The P50 fenders fit fine.

    If you order the Planet Bike mud flaps - you'll see that it is just a matter of grinding the last bit of the fender a bit narrower and the mud flaps slide right on and then you can drill a couple of small holes for the plastic press rivets they provide with the mud flaps. It adds a few inches on the back of the fender that is really nice. The SKS fenders are great - but about 6" too short and have no mud flaps.

    I'm running Scwahlbe Marathon Cross 700x40s. I think 45s might be tight - but will probably work. 42s should be fine.

    The SKS P45 fenders will fit a Vaya fine - but won't cover tires any bigger than a 40 realistically... I'd highly recommend the P50 fenders...

    It would be nice if the Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders were in a slightly narrower size - say something to cover a 45 or 50 - say about 55mm wide. Hint, hint to the Planet Bike folks in Madison...

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    Great, thanks for the info!

    I ordered 50mm SKS fenders and 35mm Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.
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    Has anyone tried mounting Tubus Tara low rider on Salsa Vaya? I'm wondering if the front disc brake causes some problems with mounting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jne
    Has anyone tried mounting Tubus Tara low rider on Salsa Vaya? I'm wondering if the front disc brake causes some problems with mounting.
    I have not tried that rack... If you call Wayne at The Touring Store he'll likley be able to tell you what will work and what won't. I've heard he's pretty awesome.

    The front brake did require a little bending of the fender supports to stay clear. I've seen some folks use extenders to do the same thing and that'll work nicely as well ...

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    A question for the Vaya folks. I'm seriously considering a Vaya Ti for next year's gravel fun (it'll beat using my Fisher mtb with a rigid fork for DK again). I was thinking about fork alternatives to allow for a larger front tire, say a Niner carbon rigid. Has anyone tried anything other than the stock fork?

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    The niner fork is much longer, a 26 inch deploying with suspension correction is what u want. Although I don't know why u want so wide for dk? Stock fits 42s

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2silent
    The niner fork is much longer, a 26 inch deploying with suspension correction is what u want. Although I don't know why u want so wide for dk? Stock fits 42s
    I thought the suspension correction might cause problems but I kinda want to see it tried as a science experiment. I'd like to run a fatter front tire (say, 29x2.0) tubeless in the front for hit protection at the bottom of hills. I ran Stan's Ravens 29x2.0 for this year's race and they were about perfect. Fast rolling, tubeless, and I was able to blow through descents without touching my brakes.

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    although I've never tried it, the suspension corrected 29er forks I have here are WAY longer than you would want on the Vaya. I have tried putting one of them on a 26" mountain bike before with horrible results. I do run a 26" cromoto fork on my 1996 Marin Pine Mountain with a 29" wheel, but the overall difference is actually much smaller there.

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    ... and if we just ... Party

    Well here's mine. Only had it built for a couple weeks and been putting some decent miles on it.

    Vaya frame (58)
    Crank Brothers XC headset
    Wheelset: Bontrager Race X Lite 29 (Stock take off of 08 GF Superfly)
    Kenda Kwicker front tire (38) - have same as rear for loaded touring
    Conti TourRide rear tire (42)
    Avid BB7 road calipers
    Sram Apex Compact Crankset (34/50)
    Time ATAC XS Pedals
    Sram Apex shifters
    Sram Apex 11-32 10-speed Cassette
    Sram chain (came with Apex groupo)
    Salsa Woodchippys - 46 cm
    Thomson X2 stem
    Salsa gel tape - have brown on order, the shite i got on there now is obnoxious
    Sram Apex front and rear derailleur
    Thomson Elite seat post
    Brooks B-17 pre-aged saddle (not shown)
    Alternate WTB Rocket V SLT with Ti rails for winter time
    Rack: Salsa Wanderlust rear and Salsa Downunder front low rider (both to be added when available)
    Bags: TBD
    Fenders - Planet Bike Cascadia (not shown)
    Salsa green lip lock and skewers

    Bike is tons of fun so far. Been rocking it on dirt roads, pave, BAD pave and even some mild Michigan XC trails (see no downhill courses with baby heads). The tire setup actually rips trails pretty well with the cross tire up front and the balloon in the back.

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    Thats nearly identical to my build. I barely have 100km on it and already I know this bike will be ridden far more then some of my other bikes.

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    Crankset: Shimano LX FC-T661 26-36-48
    Chain: Shimano HG-73
    Cassette: Shimano LX CS-HG80 11-28
    Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra FD-6703
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano LX RD-T661

    Headset: Chris King NoThreadSet
    Handlebar: Deda Newton Anatomic
    Stem: Thomson Elite X2
    Handlebar Tape: Salsa Gel Cork
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Road
    Shifters: Shimano Ultegra ST-6510 9sp
    Tires: Schwalbe Durano/Marathon Supreme/Racing Ralph/Marathon Winter
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite InLine
    Saddle: Charge Spoon Ti
    Педали: Shimano PD-M540

    Hubs: Shimano XT M756
    Spokes: DT Swiss Champion
    Nipples: DT Swiss brass
    Rims: Mavic A317




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    So, a question fro the guys that built up their frames.

    I'm getting all my parts/pieces together to build mine up but wasn't sure what part # to order for the down tube cable stops - Shimano has a couple (barrel v. wing adjuster, concave v. convex mounting). This should probably be obvious but I'm a little sleep deprived right now...

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    Hi,
    my German dealer just around the corner offered the choice "for steel frames" or "for alloy frames" - so it was easy to decide. But that would not help you.
    This American dealer f.e. describes it as "traditional curved back" so it should be right. (The alloy stops have a flatter back.)

    I have the barrel adjusters on my Vaya and the wing adjusters on my Casseroll. The barrel adj. have a wider adjusting range, the wing adj. have a (more or less) quick release funktion. Both are working fine.

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    Sweet! Thanks. I ended up ordering one of each yesterday because I got impatient

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    My Vaya

    Built it up this past fall. 1x10. Thought I'd share. Sorry about the crappy quality, cell phone pics. Only thing I'd like to add is a Salsa Wanderlust rack.
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    Will have mine mid-March...

    Oh how this will feel like an eternity. I can't wait to join the Vaya club.

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    Almost done!

    I JUST finished mine up today and got out for a very quick ride in the cold. Rides incredibly well! I'm hoping to hit many, MANY miles of gravel this year on this bike.
    Here's my build:
    Frame: 58cm 2010
    Fork: stock Vaya
    Headset: Chris King NoThreadSet
    Bars: 46cm Woodchippers
    Saddle: Specialized Toupe
    Post: Junk Bontrager*
    Stem: 90cm Race Face Ride XC*
    Shifters: 2011 SRAM Rival
    Front D: SRAM Force
    Rear D: SRAM Rival mid cage
    Crank: SRAM Force 50/34
    BB: Enduro hybrid ceramic
    Pedals: Time ATAC Titan Carbon
    Cassette:SRAM PG-1070 11-32
    Chain: KMC X-10 Ti
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Road/160mm G3 rotors*
    Wheelset:Chris King hubs/DT Swiss TK7.1d rims*
    Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40c (tubed for now)
    Etc.: Gore RideOn sealed cables
    *temporary parts to get up & riding

    It sits right at 25lbs. for now. I have a lighter wheelset (AC hubs/Stan's Crest), rotors, seatpost, stem, and a handful of Ti hardware that should shave a little off that. Tires will be tubeless when I get the new wheelset.




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    Bonnie's Vaya

    Features of the bike:

    Nitto B347 "North Road" Dove bar
    Ergon cork grips
    Avid BB7 mechanical disks
    Thumbies with Riv silver shifters
    Wide gearing 24/34/46, 12/36
    Tubus rack
    Brooks B67S saddle
    B & M LED headlamp and tail lamp with front dynamo hub
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    @ xhx

    One of the few Vayas shown here with really harmonic proportions! No sky-reaching spacer tower, even the drops of the bar are in line with the top tube. Very fine!

    What I dislike is the (actual) color scheme: the blue hubs with the red decals of the rims and the golden chain do not match the color of the frame and the other parts.
    Apart from that I would use a black seat post or a silver stem with silver spacers.
    But as I understood changes will just happen. I am very curious about that... Keep us informed!

    @ BH

    it is just vice versa:

    I really like the continuous use of silver parts! IMHO the best contrast to the brown frame (f.e. compare my Vaya on post #89 - changing these days, pics are following soon). Great shifters!

    But: the frame seems to be too small for the rider. 2 inches of spacers, a steep 15 (?) degree stem AND a riser bar - that's very much too much.
    But you or Bonnie have to feel comfortable with that. (My wife prefers an upright position too.)
    Maybe you should mount the rack at the lower pair of rack mounts for a better balance when using a top bag like that.

    @ both: No harm meant - just my 2 cents - or 1 1/2
    Enjoy your bikes!
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    Here's a little one I built for a lady recently..... I get to play with lots of standard ones, but this was pretty good fun.

    SRAM Apex with X7 26/39 cranks and Shimano MT65 wheels.... She was in love, and I was stoked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeOppa
    @ xhx

    One of the few Vayas shown here with really harmonic proportions! No sky-reaching spacer tower, even the drops of the bar are in line with the top tube. Very fine!

    What I dislike is the (actual) color scheme: the blue hubs with the red decals of the rims and the golden chain do not match the color of the frame and the other parts.
    Apart from that I would use a black seat post or a silver stem with silver spacers.
    But as I understood changes will just happen. I am very curious about that... Keep us informed!
    @ both: No harm meant - just my 2 cents - or 1 1/2
    Enjoy your bikes!
    Thanks! I'm glad you like most of the look so far, & no offense taken . The blue hubs are temporary as the wheelset is a spare that will be retired to roller duty once my "real" wheels come in (black Stan's Crest rims, black AC hubs, black spokes & nipples). The post was also temporary & is about to be swapped with a black Thomson post I picked up today. I'll post more pictures once it's finished!

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    Hello All.

    So I am in the process of finalizing my build of the Vaya. I am headed to NZ for 45-day ride in April. This will be the “shakedown” of sorts. I am a pretty light tourer (my days of ski-mtneering, and being a minimalist).
    After that ill be using it as a commuter for the summer and if I can get the time off work I’d like to ride the 8000 mile Tour da Afrique next year.

    The TDA is supported, so your not hauling lots of gear, just you and a camelback for 120 days. From the feedback I’ve been getting from riders is that it is 70 % paved / good gravel and 30% use the biggest gnarliest tires you can get.

    I’ve never owned a tour/cyclocross type bike. Lots MTB’s and one or two road bikes in the past. So trying to piece this together is new territory. I am interested in any and all suggestions/ comments.

    So with the above rides in mind we came up with the following:
    Frame: 54cm Vaya
    Crankset: Sugino XD triple
    Chain: Sram 9 speed
    Cassette: Shimano XT 11-34
    Front Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra 9 speed
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT 9 speed
    BB: Phil wood sealed

    Headset: Chris King
    Handlebar: Salsa Woochipper
    Stem: Thomson
    Handlebar Tape: Chinelli Gel Cork
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Road
    Shifters: Shimano Tiagra 9 speed
    Tires: Schwalbe /Marathon TBD
    Seatpost: Moots Ti
    Saddle: Brooks B17 special
    Pedals: Shimano PD-A530

    Hubs: Phil Wood MTN disk
    Spokes: DT Swiss Comp 2.0/1.8
    Nipples: DT Swiss brass
    Rims: DT TK540

    Racks: TBD
    Fenders: SKS



    I am still undecided about the wheels. The Tkrims are heavy and I wonder if it is over built. Another thought was to use HED C2 alloy rims, with the Phil W. or White industries hubs. I don’t plan on doing a whole lot of “fully” loaded touring, but really want a strong versatile rim set for road/gravel/ and some rough ass terrain.

    Thoughts

    SK61

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    just sold me on a vaya. great looking ride. be interested to hear future ride reports as you get more miles on her. I am trying to do more fire road riding without having to drive my car to the trail head. Seems like the perfect bike to do so.

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    @sk61 - think about Mavic TN719 rims.... Great weight, really tough and they look nice.

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    2010 Salsa Vaya 56cm

    Crankset: Shimano F700, 34- 46(FSA)
    BB: Ultegra outboard
    Chain: Sram 971
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 970 11-34
    Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT 770- low normal
    Headset: Chris King NoThreadSet
    Handlebar: 3T Ergonova Pro- 44
    Stem: Truvativ Stylo Team 100mm
    Handlebar Tape: Cinelli Cork
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Road
    Rotors: XTR 970
    Shifters: Shimano Dura Ace 7700 9sp
    Tires: Schwalbe Rocket Ron/ Marathon Extreme- 35mm
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    Saddle: Selle Italia SLR XC
    Peddles: Time Atac Carbon
    Cables: Gore sealed
    Hubs: Shimano XT M775
    Spokes: DT Swiss Competition
    Nipples: DT Swiss alloy
    Rims: Stans Crest
    Cages: Salsa stainless
    Fenders: Planet Bike

    I completed this bike a couple weeks ago. It will be used for winter riding mostly, gravel roads and packed snow single track in and around Calgary Alberta. It will take that burden off my cross race bike. So far the bike is a total success. I wanted increased stability and single track prowess and better all day comfort compared to the race bike. A+ in all these categories.
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    Hi guys,

    Here i show you my new commuter (sorry for the crapy cellphone pics):














    I think the first thing i'll do will be replacing the rack for a Tubus Logo.

    Coque.

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    FINALLY got everything together. Here's what's changed:
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom Expert
    Post: Thomson Elite
    Stem: Salsa Promoto Ti 90mm
    Rotors: Formula R1 160mm/Ti bolts
    Wheelset: AC hubs, ZTR Crest rims (sooo quiet. Love it).
    Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Extreme, 700x40c set up tubeless

    Only things that will change now are the bottle cages for something that doesn't throw bottles, bar padding & new tape in a few months, & I'll probably swap tires a few dozen times.
    Sits right around 23lbs. as pictured, which is annoyingly lighter than my mountain bike.

    Took it out for a Christening ride after the pictures. The only problem was the seatpost is cocked to the right (I can see it in the pictures too) & I didn't have a multitool on me. GOOD GOD I love riding this bike. I'm completely smitten with how it handles & how smooth it feels even on the crappiest roads.





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    How do these Marathon Extreme roll on paved roads? I am considering them for my future Vaya build which will be for 50/50 paved and dirt roads....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC822
    How do these Marathon Extreme roll on paved roads? I am considering them for my future Vaya build which will be for 50/50 paved and dirt roads....
    They're not bad. Honestly if your dirt roads aren't crazy the Marathon Supreme is good too. Rolls great on pavement and does o.k. on dirt and gravel. I have the 700x40c size of those too.

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    My 2011 Vaya

    Vaya Builds-2011-salsa-vaya-small-002.jpgI bought the complete, but had my lbs switch out the Apex drivetrain for a triple with bar end shifters. Sugino crankset 26-26-48, shimano 11-34 cassette, SLX rear derailleur, 105 front derailleur, with tektro brake levers and Dura Ace bar end shifters. Even though Im only 6'2" I went with the 60cm since I seem to like a streched out feel and my Large Big Mama sometimes feels cramped. This is my first road bike since my black and white Huffy 12 speed circa 1986 and Im finding it to be great fun. Although trails are melting out around here so it will primarily serve as a commuter for the next months.

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    How tight do the stock 42mm tires fit? Is there room for anything bigger?

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    there is plenty of room for larger tires. I'd say about 1 cm

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    Just got mine today and finally have a bike worthy of the Honjo fenders my wife bought me two years ago... just debating whether I should powder coat them black.


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    "... just debating whether I should powder coat them black."

    Never ever!

    If you want BLACK fenders then buy a pair of MKS or else!

    To powder Honjos is an unforgivable crime!

    Unless you powder them in a real beautiful frame matching or contrasting color which is NOT available on the current market.

    BTW: This is a nice build and black fenders would be fine

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    DeOppa - you're probably right and looking at the picture, I'm thinking that leaving them silver might be the way to go. Either way I'll have to drill/fit them prior to doing anything, so I'll have a chance to decide with them on the bike. Just need to get back from this work trip. Sucks to get a new bike and then leave for work at 4:45am the next morning.

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    Mine is all built up, a bit of a different look than most. Lowrider front pannier racks for the front coming up next!


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    Radness LostBoyScout, I hope to be riding mine like that when I'm old.

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    This thread makes me so excited for mine. love seeing the custom changes everyone makes.

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    I am SO DAMN IMPATIENT waiting for mine.

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    The anticipation builds. Over the weekend, I got my Avid7 brakes and my wheelset, so the only thing left on my list for the build is the frame (it will be here TOMORROW!) and a headset. I plan to use the bike for commuting and some light touring. I am planning to ride the GAP a couple of times this year as well as some cross state rides. I am going with 105 brifters, 105 triple crank, Ultegra derailleurs, etc. The only thing I can't decide on is the headset. I am getting the charcoal frame and can't decide if I want to go with a red King headset to match the graphics or stay with the stealth look and go black. I hope to get my first real ride in this weekend.

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    Here are a couple of pics of the new build. I built the wheels last Saturday, then put together about 90% of the frame before heading off to a dinner party. Finished it up Sunday.

    Its built mostly from my old Fargo's parts which was XT based. The Eriksen seat post hasn't shipped and that will be added and I need to sort of the spacer height them cut down the steerer tube but otherwise she's about there. Weight as shown is 28 lbs even. I have the racks for the front and rear and they will be added after I get some pedal time. So far it rides very well.
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    Hey Wally....what size is that Vaya frame?

    My charcoal Vaya will be here tomorrow!

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    Ocho,

    What do you think brought the weight up so much on your build? The wheels? How about the saddle? I'd like to hit 23 with mine if I can. I'll keep you guys posted with my build as it comes together.
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    I don't consider it heavy. At 28 lbs, its lighter than I expected. This is a touring bike.
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    My steel Cross Check is roughly 28 less lights/racks...I'd expect roughly the same out of my Vaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I don't consider it heavy. At 28 lbs, its lighter than I expected. This is a touring bike.
    Ocho...sorry for the confusion...I wasn't knockin' your build - I've got a heavy duty wheelset which would be great for touring on the Vaya. Right now I'm just shooting for a lighter weight build for gravel grinding.

    What kind of wheel build did you put together? My touring wheelsets include Kings Laced to Flows and Kings laced to Delgados.

    The lighter wheelset I'm having built are DT Swiss 350's laced to Stans 355's.

    Frameset ships today! Probably building up with lots of XT componentry, barcons, mtn BB7's - we'll see how it all comes together soon enough!
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    farmer....
    No worries, I didn't think you were knocking my build, I just wanted to pass along that I never expected it to be "light". With this sort of bike, I just don't consider weight as that big a deal. I have a 19 lb. Scott when I want light. By the time my racks and bags get on it light won't mean much.

    I'm a bigger guy, over 6 ft and hitting 230-235 so I went with the TK540 from DT Swiss. 36 hole and White Industries hubs. They are heavy compared to what you describe but exactly what I wanted for the loads and terrain I will carry it over. I'm using 700x40 Schwalbe's and don't plan on going larger so I didn't want to use Flows. I have Flows on one of my mountain bikes and Semi with 240s on my Fargo plus another set of Semi's with XT hubs that came on my first Fargo. Since I'm not a tubeless guy, I like Semi's over Flows but thats me.
    I use TN719's on my La Cruz and almost went with them for my touring rims but I helped a friend lace some TK540's and its a really nice rim so I opted for that one. TK's only come in 36h variations with the MSW for rim brakes but are fine for use with discs.
    My build is about the same as you plan with the difference in wheels and probably seat. XT drivetrain, bar ends, and BB7's. I'm using Origin-8/Ashima rotors though which I like better but have no idea of weight. I did not bother weighing the frame since it wasn't an issue for me but I will say its not a light weight. Not as light as some other frames out there.
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    farmer....have you thought about HED C2's? Its a 23mm wide rim, I use that rim with White Industries hubs on my Scott CX Team (and 700x28 tires). Very sturdy and very light. Expensive sort of but I've been toying with building a set for my La Cruz. I think it would hold up well for gravel grinding.

    Just a thought.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    farmer....have you thought about HED C2's? Its a 23mm wide rim, I use that rim with White Industries hubs on my Scott CX Team (and 700x28 tires). Very sturdy and very light. Expensive sort of but I've been toying with building a set for my La Cruz. I think it would hold up well for gravel grinding.

    Just a thought.....
    I was after light but strong and not stupidly expensive & settled on AC hubs (very light disc hubs) and Stan's Crest rims. I didn't get a weight before mounting, but I can weigh them in the morning w/ tires, discs, & cassette. I thought about the Stan's Podium or Race wheels for a superlight race setup, but my budget would've been shot and they look like they're pretty much race only. Definitely light though.

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    Please, nobody post pics of a charcoal vaya or I might be tempted to buy a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranier
    Please, nobody post pics of a charcoal vaya or I might be tempted to buy a new bike.
    Temptation is on the horizon my friend!
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    Yep...my charcoal frame came in last night. It will probably be the weekend before I get it built up. A couple of observations. The paint is a bit darker than I expected. Indoors it looks black from a distance. However up close, there is some serious metalflake going on.

    My problem is that I haven't decided if I want to go stealth and keep it dark or if I want to bling it up slightly. My CC is all blacked out, but we'll see....

    Also still contemplating a compact or a triple...leaning towards a triple for touring

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    Wow....LBS pressed in my headset while I waited. Came home and the cables/Avid7s were sitting on the doorstep a day early. I think I have everything for the build.....Looks like it might be a late night in the garage!

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    Brake Question for the Masses

    Hey guys...basically I'm thinking out loud here. I like to read what goes on in other people's heads when they are putting together a build....here's what I've got in mind:

    I've used some Tektro RL520's with mtn BB7's but was never really satisfied with them...maybe I didn't know a trick to setting them up. I'm putting together my build for the Vaya and just wondering if a few of you can chime in with good options. Currently I also have some 9spd indexed Barcons.

    1) Can I do a better setup for that combo? I didn't have cable adjusters on them. hmm...

    2) Do I need to move to road BB7 calipers if I want to use those shifters?

    3) If I want to use brifters...would SRAM or Shimano work better with the mtn BB7's or do I need to move to the road calipers?

    4) Has anyone ridden a Vaya with an H-bar setup and liked it?

    So far, this is what I've got...planning on riding this frame in my second attempt of the DK200:

    Frame: 58cm Charcoal Vaya
    Wheels: DT 350's laced to Stan's 355's
    Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Extreme's

    I'm flush with lots of mountain oriented componentry, so I may move with that to decrease the cost of the build at the moment:

    FD: XTR triple bottom or top pull
    RD: Would need to buy a new one.
    Cassette: XT
    Shifters: 9spd Barcons
    Bars: Probably Salsa Woodchippers which I'll need to buy yet.
    Stem: 100mm 10 deg Thomson 31.8
    Post: Thomson 20mm setback - Would an Eriksen be worth it (dampening) considering not much post is exposed from the frame on this bike? Otherwise I might put on a straight post Tomson.
    Crankset: XT triple but will consider a new compact crank if I go 10 speed.

    I could also rob from my 2007 CX bike:

    Shimano 105 10sp rear derailleur

    Shimano 105 10sp front drailleur

    Shimano 105 brifters - would these have enough pull for the BB7's mountain or road?

    My compact crank on this bike is nearly shot.

    One question that popped into my head...does a 10spd road cassette have the same spline pattern and hub to lock-ring spacing of a 9spd mountain cassette?

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    Planning a build is one of the great joys and side benefits of bicycling. At least to me it is.
    You should have no problem using the RL520 levers with your MTB BB7's. I use the same lever on my Vaya with those brakes. I basically stripped my 9 spd older version Fargo of it components and put them on my Vaya so its got XT stuff all around, even the XT trekking crank. I did put a new chain on but it was the same model as the old one. New cables too but thats a wash. If you went to a short pull lever like a SRAM road or Shimano road system then you would be better served with Road BB7's - I use them with a La Cruz and SRAM Rival set up. I just got word my Eriksen shipped so I'll let you know how it works.
    9 spd or 10 spd cassette carriers are the same road or MTB, no worries.

    BB7's can be a bit tricky to set up. I came up with my own system which I figured out from someone's post on this forum coupled with a few ideas from a Park manual and the Avid instructions. If you work at it, it becomes pretty easy and if you use compressionless brake housing the stopping power is darned good. To me, its as good as any hydraulic set up I use.

    Good luck. Have fun!
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    Ocho,

    I've had great success with BB7 mountains and my Avid brake levers, so I think I'll just have to keep tinkering with the Tektro RL520's. I had never put as much time into those in the past because I usually only set up the front brake on my fixie drop bar Karate Monkey.

    I'll keep people posted with my future progress with these if this is how I move forward. Compressionless housing will definitely be a priority this time as it has on my previous mountain setups.
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    Brakes, crank, headset, stem, bars, saddle and front derailleur are all mounted. I was a little blown away by how relaxed the geometry is. I'm 5'10" and went with a 56. I think this will be a perfect sporty touring bike. Decided to go with a black 105 triple with Ultegras.

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    Nasty.....Best way to describe how my charcoal Vaya build looked with red cables. I got the bright idea that adding some red cables would make the bike pop, but it ended up looking like a pig with lipstick. Somethings just aren't meant to be. The bike has a dark stealth look to it, so I think I'm going with the Ultegra grey cables....Bike is 75% done. The 32c City tires look REALLY small on this frame. I think larger tires are in order too. I have some Kenda Komfort 700X40 in the garage.

    Anyone have a suggestion for some smooth/faster rolling larger tires?

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    I'm in the Marathon or something by Continental camp right now. I've been buying those two brands for most of the tires for these kinds of bikes.
    I'm using Marathon Supremes (700x40) right now on the Vaya and love em.
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    Has anyone mounted fenders on their Vaya? I haven't tried it, but it sure looks like the front brake is in the way of the fender support.

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    Finally got mine

    Here is my new Vaya, (almost) complete at long last:

    Details:
    Frame size 57cm
    Cranks (50/34), shifters, FD, RD - SRAM Apex
    Brakes - BB7
    Cassette - SRAM 1050 12-36
    Bars - Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap (I would have preferred the 31.8 version and a Pro Moto stem, but I didn't specify and this is what my LBS ordered. Should work fine, and the Moto Ace stem is available in a lot more angles - the 5* Pro Moto wouldn't be enough rise, and the new 25* Pro Moto would be too much)
    Stem - will be Salsa Moto Ace - the silver one is temporary to dial in fit
    Seat Post - Thompson Elite 400mm
    Rims - Mavic A317
    Hubs - Deore 6-bolt
    Tires - WTB Pathway 38c (these actually measure 40.1mm on the rim, and they are labeled both 700x38 and 622x40)
    Saddle - Brooks B-17 standard

    These pictures look a lot better on the screen of my DroidX than they do on my computer screen - sorry for the fuzzy quality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66
    Has anyone mounted fenders on their Vaya? I haven't tried it, but it sure looks like the front brake is in the way of the fender support.
    I have them on mine and it fits just fine. I can take some pictures here very soon.
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    Google down tube cable adjusters and the Shimano versions come up. Practically everyone sells them and like someone mentioned most shops have a bunch laying around which you might be able to score for free with a few nice words.
    They are agnostic in terms of cables run through them and therefore brifters used. They will be shaped to fit the tube once they are screwed into the bosses.
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    Which downtube barrel adjusters with barcons? and for that matter, which barrel adjusters with SRAM brifters?

    Do I need a concave mount or regular?

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    The build is done! Well, I need a new chain. The one I had in the garage is a bit too short, but I was dying to take it for a spin. I'd like to say I put a lot of thought into the build, but it was pretty much parts I already had. Lets see.....105 triple crank/brifters, Ultegra derailleurs, Brooks saddle, Cygolight Trident Extra light, Sun Ringle Equalizer wheels, Planet Bike fenders, Avid7 disks, Michelin City 700X32 tires. I am really glad I went with the charcoal. The orange is SMOKING, but I really like the stealth look of the charcoal....Can't go wrong with either though....














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    Great looking build, Terry! Mine will hop back and forth between a commuter and gravel grinder. I like the Charcoal a lot too!

    Ocho - went through my parts as I've started building it up...just realized that my Shimano barcons, which I've always had attached to Paul Thumbies in a full cable housing setup actually came with downtube barrel adjusters...so that is covered!

    Right now I've just got the XT crankset and headset on...hopefully everything will be together by this coming Saturday evening!
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    I got out for a first real ride on Friday, and I love the bike. Very comfortable on rough pavement and on dirt/gravel roads. Even at higher tire pressure, it is better than my MTB, I think. I'm sure the steel frame has an impact there. Whatever compliance there is built into the frame, I didn't notice any BB flex. I'm 220 lbs. and I didn't feel it flexing on any of the hills I climbed.

    Terry - That is a great looking build - classy and understated. I like my orange a lot, but I could be very happy with the charcoal. I wish the orange had the metal flake that the charcoal has.

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    Yeah, I know what you mean about the color. Both are awesome. Hard to go wrong. I put in 20 road miles yesterday. Certainly not as quick and responsive as my carbon road bike, but it is a bike I could ride all day long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66
    The build is done! Well, I need a new chain. The one I had in the garage is a bit too short, but I was dying to take it for a spin. I'd like to say I put a lot of thought into the build, but it was pretty much parts I already had. Lets see.....105 triple crank/brifters, Ultegra derailleurs, Brooks saddle, Cygolight Trident Extra light, Sun Ringle Equalizer wheels, Planet Bike fenders, Avid7 disks, Michelin City 700X32 tires. I am really glad I went with the charcoal. The orange is SMOKING, but I really like the stealth look of the charcoal....Can't go wrong with either though....
    Looks great! Makes my decision on which color harder.
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    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
    Man, I want one of those Salsa Mini Racks for rear of my BWNN... May end up going with a Nitto instead though. Haven't quite decided... The bike has integrated mounts for either one.

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    Pretty sure the minimalist is cheaper. By roughly half if my memory serves. I really like how this bike feels. This weekend its getting loaded with 40 lbs in the back and 10 up front. This simulates my touring load. I want to see how it handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    Pretty sure the minimalist is cheaper. By roughly half if my memory serves. I really like how this bike feels. This weekend its getting loaded with 40 lbs in the back and 10 up front. This simulates my touring load. I want to see how it handles.
    Oh yeah... Agreed on the price thing -- it's not really about price. More about weight, appearance and availability. The Nitto is lighter, its nickel finish looks better on a Ti bike and it's in-stock at a couple of places I do business with. At last I checked, Mini Racks were out of stock.

    So, the money will likely go to the one who has the product...

    Quick edit... Just went into my LBS this afternoon and ordered a silver Salsa Minamalist rack. Black was out of stock but silver was in, so I went with it...
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    Ocho -

    Great looking bike. I struggled with whether to do black or silver components, but obviously settled on black (my final stem will be black). I still like the silver, though. Black was a lot easier to spec, as you probably found out.

    Interesting to me that all three of the builds on this page, and several others on previous pages, employ Brooks saddles. This is my first Brooks and so far I love it. The rides I've done so far on my Vaya would have killed my ass on my MTB or my former road bike, but I've felt really good in that area on the Vaya/Brooks combo. Probably for a number of reasons this bike is just a lot more comfortable beyond the first 15-20 minutes than any other bike I've had.

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    Saws....actually I have a Brooks by default as it was the only saddle i had to use. I'm ordering a Selle SMP Extra for the Vaya. I use the racier version on my road bike and love it. The Brooks is going back on my ss cruiser

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    Terry - I think the Brooks springer saddle looks right at home with the fenders on your bike, but saddles are a very personal thing, and I can see how in a more aero position the Selle SMP would be more comfortable. That is a saddle design I've been curious to try. I'm really loving my Brooks B17, though. I was afraid it would be too wide at first, coming from a 148mm wide Bontrager saddle on my prior road bike, but it doesn't seem to impede my leg motion at all. The cutout on the Selle SMP might be the ticket though - the Bontrager killed my bits n' pieces, not my sit bones.

    Anyway, it still seems there is a high occurrence of Brooks saddles on Vayas, which I'm attributing to an emphasis on comfort over weight until someone offers a better suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009
    Radness LostBoyScout, I hope to be riding mine like that when I'm old.
    Ouch! I'm in my 20's, it's called a commuter! :P

    I plan to have a set of cross tires on hand and set it up in cross-mode sometimes without all the accessories. I am running the Salsa Semi-29'rs which look like they'll take as fat a tire as I can squeeze into this frameset.

    Quick question for those who have tried: What's the biggest 29er tire that will fit these arches without fenders?

    Anyway, it still seems there is a high occurrence of Brooks saddles on Vayas, which I'm attributing to an emphasis on comfort over weight until someone offers a better suggestion.
    I would say Brooks suits the bike well - the Vaya is comfortable, stylish, and well built - same as Brooks. Both perform well too, neither are feathers.
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    Finally got time to mount fenders (Honjo Le Paon). I was originally planning to keep it all black, but a little silver and the Pasela's go a long way towards a more classic look and I'm liking it.




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    I just noticed those fenders are the same front and rear, aren't they? Definitely the same wrap and rod placement. Nice to see a front fender that goes appropriately low!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I still have a few small minor tweaks but this is basically it. I can't wait to log some serious saddle time. Best thing is, in about 20 minutes the racks are off and its back to a nice road set up.
    very nice. which rear rack is that?

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    Chromo - I'm digging the big wrap front fender as well....I'll have to look for some black ones like that....

    Saws - Yeah, the saddle is a dilema. I love the way the springer looks and it is fine for cruising around, but I struggle with it when I am out for 30-50 miles at speed. It just seems that I am not "fixed" on the saddle like I am with a more narrow "racier" saddle. I am not sure if it is just being a new saddle, but I slip and slide around on the wider Brooks. Just seems like I can never get locked in place. Didn't have that when I rode a B17.

    Also like you mentioned, it isn't all that great in the drops....I think I'll just mount the SMP on a post and then swap them out depending on what I am doing.
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    Cromo - I like the silver fenders...my vote is to stick with them!
    Grow some food for yourself.

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    Terry, if you want something similar in black and don't want to pay a bunch for Honjos and then have to hassle with getting them powder coated or painted; I'd suggest trying to find some of the older Civia fenders (the new ones are all plastic or flat).

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    Cromo - What seat bag is that you have on that orange beauty?

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    Hi,
    What front derailleur could you recomend? It is for triple chainring and, of course, 28,6 size. I´ll use it withdura ace bar ends. Will Shimano FD-M660/661 work?

    Thanks

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    I'm looking to replace my SOMA Saga with a Salsa Vaya, and was wondering if anyone has confirmed whether a Tubus low-rider will clear the front caliper. I've got a stainless steel Nova rack, and I'd really like to use it on the Vaya.

    Also, has anyone tried Campy Ergo levers with road BB7s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMu_dogtag
    Cromo - What seat bag is that you have on that orange beauty?
    Just a Topeak Wedge - but the kind with straps instead of the clip that breaks.

    I want something bigger, but am finding that most larger seat bags get really wide. I guess I want something like this, but better looking. Any suggestions?

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    Took some better pictures of my Vaya today.

    Spec:

    Chris King headset in brown ano
    Thomson Elite 110mm stem
    Metropolis bar
    Leather lock-on grips
    Paul Thumbies operating Shimano bar end shifters
    In the mail: All silver Paul levers
    105 crankset, Tiagra / Deore drivetrain
    Brooks B17 in Antique Brown
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    SLX hubs laced to Salsa Semi 29er rims
    Panaracer Tserv 700x32c folding tires
    Axiom Streamliner DLX rack
    Planet Bike fenders








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    Can someone recommend a rim for 60% pavement & 40% dirt? I'll be riding on slicks/semi-slicks that range from 33.5mm to 40mm. I weigh 190, and commute with front panniers that weigh 10-15 pounds.

    I'm considering the following:
    • DT Swiss X470 Disc
    • Mavic A317 Disc
    • Mavic TN719


    I'll be running Ringle Dirty Flea hubs, 32h, double-butted spokes and brass nipples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark
    Can someone recommend a rim for 60% pavement & 40% dirt? I'll be riding on slicks/semi-slicks that range from 33.5mm to 40mm. I weigh 190, and commute with front panniers that weigh 10-15 pounds.

    I'm considering the following:
    • DT Swiss X470 Disc
    • Mavic A317 Disc
    • Mavic TN719


    I'll be running Ringle Dirty Flea hubs, 32h, double-butted spokes and brass nipples.
    Alex SX44's? Price is right, weight isn't terrible, and they are nice and wide. They are on my list, but I can't find anyone that has them in stock in 36h even though it shows them on the Alex site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryball
    Alex SX44's? Price is right, weight isn't terrible, and they are nice and wide. They are on my list, but I can't find anyone that has them in stock in 36h even though it shows them on the Alex site.
    Those are a little wider than what I was looking for.
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