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    Thanks a lot

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    Carbon Fork?

    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
    I've used a Winwood Muddy Cross and a Whisky fork. The Whisky is lighter and better at dampening vibration. Both were significantly lighter than steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
    I used a bontrager satalite fork on my ti vaya.

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    Thanks for those two replies. By the way, lawfarm- your link isn't loading for me. Is that pointing to Whiskey's site?

    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?
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    I've put the Spot and the Trigon on for grins. Both are two different degrees of lighter. Both have decent handling. They both introduce a hair of toe overlap on my 57cm frame and my size 46 Sidi's. I know longer plan on using the Trigon as the lack of fender mounts is incongruent with how I use the bike. Spot is still installed.

    Both had plenty of clearance. The spot less but I'm running 40's with wood fenders and have navigated some thick sticky mud successfully.
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Carver Carbon Fork

    Santa brought me a Carver carbon fork for my Vaya. I only have a couple of hundred miles on it, mostly on gravel. Initial impressions are quite promising. It is much lighter than the stock fork. It brought the weight of the complete bike down to 24.7 lbs with pedals and 3 cages! The fork seems to absorb shock a bit better than the stock fork but my first few rides haven't been long enough to tell if it is a significant difference. The main difference is the handling. It is much "quicker" due to the geometry. It handles more like a cross bike. It has introduced a bit of toe overlap with my size 47 shoes, (58cm frame) but that has not been an issue for me so far. Tire clearance is good but not quite as spacious as the stock fork. I have 2 sets of tires/wheels that I run. 700X40 Marathon Mondials have tons of clearance. My favorites, (Spec Renegade control 29 X 1.8's) fit however if I get into muddy conditions it could be an issue as the clearance is only a couple of mm per side. I will be riding the DK200 this year and haven't made a decision yet on tires. Off topic a bit...Hey Ted, I just ordered a set of Retroshifters for the Vaya to replace my Shimano Brifters. I read your review of them and can't wait to get them installed! Hope this info helps.

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    OOPs, I didn't intend to put the caution sign on the post! Fat fingers!!

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    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?[/QUOTE]

    I am running a 38 tire so the clearance has not been a issue.

    I have been really happy with the change to carbon. I used my Vaya for CX last season and the ride qualities of carbon was a upgrade (along with the decrease in weight). I have been riding gravel on it this winter and it rides nice. Not sure if I can tell the difference on the gravel or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by podrunner View Post
    Santa brought me a Carver carbon fork for my Vaya. I only have a couple of hundred miles on it, mostly on gravel. Initial impressions are quite promising. It is much lighter than the stock fork. It brought the weight of the complete bike down to 24.7 lbs with pedals and 3 cages! The fork seems to absorb shock a bit better than the stock fork but my first few rides haven't been long enough to tell if it is a significant difference. The main difference is the handling. It is much "quicker" due to the geometry. It handles more like a cross bike. It has introduced a bit of toe overlap with my size 47 shoes, (58cm frame) but that has not been an issue for me so far. Tire clearance is good but not quite as spacious as the stock fork. I have 2 sets of tires/wheels that I run. 700X40 Marathon Mondials have tons of clearance. My favorites, (Spec Renegade control 29 X 1.8's) fit however if I get into muddy conditions it could be an issue as the clearance is only a couple of mm per side. I will be riding the DK200 this year and haven't made a decision yet on tires. Off topic a bit...Hey Ted, I just ordered a set of Retroshifters for the Vaya to replace my Shimano Brifters. I read your review of them and can't wait to get them installed! Hope this info helps.
    First off, thanks to all for your replies. It's much appreciated. I suppose a bit of an explanation is in order....

    As some of you may have already guessed, I have a Vaya coming, (older orange frame/fork with a pedigree. ), and was looking for some intel on the option of dumping some weight and going with a carbon fork.

    I'd rather have a lively steel disc fork, but those are rare and generally heavy.

    The handling points made here are also of some concern to me.

    Retroshifters: I still use them gladly. In general, garden variety riding, they aren't that big of a deal, but when conditions get to a point that an STI shifter or SRAM shifter suffers degradation, (extreme dust, rain, mud), the Retroshifters hardly bat an eyelash. Besides- SRAM brifters have a record of falling apart during extensive gravel pounding, which is all my two bikes receive. This Vaya will be getting a set of them as well.

    Again- thanks all for the considered replies. I'll chime in with my build and what not later.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Thanks for those two replies. By the way, lawfarm- your link isn't loading for me. Is that pointing to Whiskey's site?

    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?
    Lets try that link again...

    I'm very happy with the change. I've run up to 40c tires with both forks. The Whisky has a bit more clearance than the Winwood. Tires that will fit in the rear of the Vaya will not fit in the Winwood.

    The Winwood is also a bit stiffer...I've seen people use it on Tandems. It's pretty beefy. The Whisky has a noticeably better ride on choppy gravel.

    Separate from the weight savings, the great ride quality of the Whisky fork makes it a worthy upgrade.

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    I switched to a Spot fork last spring. Quite a bit lighter than stock, with a slightly shorter a-c. I have a little toe overlap, but I had that with the stock fork too.
    I went from having easy clearance for a 29x1.95" tire to being tight on a 29x1.75", with enough clearance on 700x40-43mm for me to be happy.
    What sold me on the fork is its vibration dampening. I noticed right away that the really bad washboards we get around here on dirt roads were far less noticeable, and my tire tended to stay planted on the intended line without the teeth-rattling bouncing I would see with the stock steel fork. This fork and a "fat" rear tire are enough to get me through the harshest roads I can find in the Flint Hills.

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    @lawfarm: Yes- that worked. The last few paragraphs were what I was looking for from someone.

    @xhx: The Spot fork sounds interesting, but it and the Whiskey fork are close enough on specs to be a wash.

    In either instance I would be using a +5 King base plate to kick the head angle off 72°. I also have a carbon legged 26"er mtb fork with 20mm longer axle to crown and 44mm offset I may stick on there just to see what that does to handling. For that matter, I have another short steel disc fork with slightly curved blades and 51mm offset.

    Experiment time!

    Of course, all bets are off if the steer tubes are too short. I do not have the frame in hand yet, so everything will happen next week or later.

    Again- thanks all. I will be back with a report....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I haven't seen too many of these out there yet, so i thought I would post the one I just built up for the shop I work at. (So yes- this is from my workplace. There's your disclaimer )
    Te red is a beautiful color. I wish it had the 10 speed group.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Got a Spot fork for my Vaya Ti. Live just outside of Golden, CO, so I was able to go right to the company to pick it up. Nice forks, nice folks too. Thanks to all for the insight on the carbon forks. Will post some pics when I get some spare time.

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    Cool! I checked out the Whisky fork too, but the Spot's 400mm a-c v. the Whisky's 396 got me closer to the Vaya's stock 405mm. I do have a 5mm King base plate, just never got around to trying it... if you try it in your experiment with good results I might have to pull it out of the parts bin

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    I was thinking about going carbon on my Vaya as well, but I'm really leaning toward a springy custom steel fork (Waltworks or Potts) . . . will report back if I have something worth noting.

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    Just went out today for a nice brisk windy 16 degree ride. Got some shots of the new Vaya in ruby red. Haven't seen too many of these yet...







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    Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Just went out today for a nice brisk windy 16 degree ride. Got some shots of the new Vaya in ruby red. Haven't seen too many of these yet...







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    That's a beautiful machine. I'm curious about the color. It looks different in every picture I've seen. Is it more red or burgundy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ice807 View Post
    That's a beautiful machine. I'm curious about the color. It looks different in every picture I've seen. Is it more red or burgundy?
    It is a deep, rich red. Not quite "candy apple", but dang close.
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    Yup GT is about right. It has metallic flake in it. Those pictures don't do it justice. Really pops in the sun. It was a tough choice as I liked the vanilla with blue color too but this year the Vaya 3 came with BB7 and shimano sora triple with barends. Basically, everything I was looking for so it was an easy choice. I am quite impressed with the quality of sora as well. very similiar quality to the old 105. Could not be happier.

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    Interested to see your build Guitar Ted...love seeing all the different builds. Have been wanting to build a Vaya for some time now as a gravel/long distance cx/all road/whatever you want to call it bike, however this has recently taken my fancy
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    would be interested to hear opinions and experience of this bike for such applications

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    Quote Originally Posted by love View Post
    Interested to see your build Guitar Ted...love seeing all the different builds.
    Well, here it is, bare frame and fork for now. An older model that was ridden to two Trans Iowa finishes and several other gravel road race finishes as well. She's a bit battle worn, but still a good little beast.


    The build is being sorted. A forum member is pitching in, (thanks!), and I only know that right now I'll be using my old Edge carbon wheel set, (now they are called Enve) Bar ends will be the shifting mode, but I haven't sorted whether or not I'm going the SRAM route or an older Shimano route.

    Stay tuned....
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    tuned in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    Lets try that link again...

    I'm very happy with the change. I've run up to 40c tires with both forks. The Whisky has a bit more clearance than the Winwood. Tires that will fit in the rear of the Vaya will not fit in the Winwood.

    The Winwood is also a bit stiffer...I've seen people use it on Tandems. It's pretty beefy. The Whisky has a noticeably better ride on choppy gravel.

    Separate from the weight savings, the great ride quality of the Whisky fork makes it a worthy upgrade.
    Thanks for a great blog post and review.. I can't seem to find the No.7 however (with straight 1.125 steertube and disc brake lugs). The No.5 however seems to meet your criteria perfectly? Notice the URL says No.7 but the description says No.5?!?

    Code:
    treefortbikes.com/product/333222375015/111/Whisky-Parts-Co-No-7-Road.html#navbar=pro___333222375016___111
    (the forum will not let me post links)

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    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.















    Sorry the images are poor quality. Need a better camera.

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    Vaya Project Finished......for now

    Okay, here it is in semi-completed form. I may decide to upgrade in several areas depending on how well I like this bike. We'll see....

    1. 2011 Vaya frame (I also have the steel fork- not used here.)
    2. Winwood Muddy Cross fork (Courtesy of "lawfarm" here. Thanks!)
    3. Wheels- Edge Carbon XC laced to Am Classic Disc via DT Swiss Aerolites
    4. 10spd SRAM TT bar end rear der shifter, 10spd SRAM 11-36t cassette, 9spd SRAM X-9 rear der
    5. TruVativ Elita triple, less outer ring, Shimano BioPace 42T and SRAM inner 30T
    6. SRAM X-Gen frt der, dual pull, high mount. Shifted by Shimano friction bar end
    7. Vintage Tamer carbon seat post, SE Racing branded Velo saddle
    8. On One Midge Bar, Bonty gel tape, Tektro RL 520 levers, Salsa CroMoto stem
    9. Tires: Vee Rubber X-C-X 1.75"ers tubed.
    10. Avid Mtn BB-7 brakes with Quad Brake rotors, 180frt/160 rear


    Total weight without pedals- 23lbs on the nose. Could easily go lower with a few swaps. Had to use what I have for now. It'll be a bit before I can ride it. Report to follow.....
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    Looks to me like there are a few carbon fork choices:
    spot
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    pros/cons suggestions?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjclutt View Post
    Looks to me like there are a few carbon fork choices:
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    pros/cons suggestions?

    Thanks!
    Well, lawfarm, who I got the Winwood from, (no longer available, by the way), says the whiskey 7 felt better to him than this Winwood fork. I researched several riders who have Carver forks and all seemed to like those, but you never know what is what when asking folks opinions on fork "feel". Spot riders also seemed quite pleased with their forks as well.

    I may upgrade to a better fork at some point, but it will likely be a steel custom fork by someone like WaltWorks, etc. I can get a fork that is reasonable in weight but exactly what I want in geometry, which I am not finding in carbon.
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    I have a Carber full carbon disc cyclocross fork that I will be selling soon. I'm going back to a mini v brake on my La Cruz Ti and building up a Fargo for my disc/gravel bike duties. Steerer is uncut. PM if interested and I'll buy an ad.


    See what I did to it here. Fork is an amazing matte black now...still looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.



    Sorry the images are poor quality. Need a better camera.
    Nice bike! What size Vaya frame and what size Revelate frame bag do you happen to have?

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    Hey thanks! Bike is 57cm with medium revelate tangle bag. I am 6'0.5" with 34" inseam and the configuration is perfect coming from a mtb background. I need a better camera to capture the red color better.

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    Here's my Vaya Ti build

    54cm frame
    M960 XTR 28 hole hubs laced 2X with Velocity Blunt SL rims
    Michelin Pilot Sport 700X35c tires running tubeless
    XTR 42/30 10sp crankset
    Xt dual control hydraulic brake/shifter combo, modified to fit drop bars
    XT post mount front caliper, XTR IS mount rear caliper with 140 mm rotor
    XTR M960 rapid rise rear deraileur, 9sp, 11/32 XT cassette
    Spot carbon fork
    Ragley Luxy bar

    I originally built the bike with BB7's and SRAM Rival Brifters, but didn't like the feel of the cable brake calipers. Love the hydraulic brakes, and I've always been a fan of the dual control shifters. I guess that my mountain biking background is showing on this build.

    I may be way off base on this, but I love the Michelin tires. They are listed as 35c, but measure closer to 40. They're high volume, fast rolling, and work well running tubeless.

    The Luxy bar is too wide for my tastes, even after trimming the ends. I'm thinking of cutting the bar right in the center, trimming both sides, and machining a plug, to bond it back together.

    Great thread!
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    Very nice build daytonadogie. Are the aircraft style SHCS's a thing? Do you need to redo the windings when you align your calipers?

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    The XTR calipers came with SHCSs that were pre drilled for the safety wiring. I drilled the holes for the XT fasteners. Yes, I do have to cut the wires to adjust the caliper alignment. Not a big deal if you have a pair of safety wire pliers.

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    What's the function of the safety wiring?

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    It insures that the fasteners don't loosen up. It is used in aircraft and race cars. To be honest with you, I did it mainly for aesthetics. I have a racing background and had the wire and pliers, and the twisted wire has a cool look to it if done properly.

    I've gotten some great ideas off of this thread while planning this build. Thanks to all.

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    What tires do you have on there and how are they when it is wet muddy and slippery?

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    The Michelin pilots are listed on the build list. I use them primarily for Tarmac and hard pack dirt. They are great on wet pavement, but I'm sure there are better tires for mud. I initially got them because of price, but couldn't believe how fast they rolled. Don't have much experience with other tires though.

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    I love the carbon fork and consider getting one for my steel vaya. However they are hard to source around here (Germany), so I'd probably would have to import one myself.

    How do you like yours? Does it take fenders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonadogie View Post
    It insures that the fasteners don't loosen up. It is used in aircraft and race cars. To be honest with you, I did it mainly for aesthetics. I have a racing background and had the wire and pliers, and the twisted wire has a cool look to it if done properly.

    I've gotten some great ideas off of this thread while planning this build. Thanks to all.
    You did a stunning job on the windings and on the build. Je suis jaloux.

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    Would any of you Vaya owners know the weight difference between it and the Fargo? I'm 'needing' something other than my full-suspension Stumpjumper for gravel road rides, and I'm wondering if the Vaya wouldn't suffice for that. Admittedly, there could be some trail use...but 80% gravel roads.

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    I have a Vaya framest I want to list for sale, but I am not sure where to list it on MTBR or should I list it on Road Bike Review? Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    Would any of you Vaya owners know the weight difference between it and the Fargo? I'm 'needing' something other than my full-suspension Stumpjumper for gravel road rides, and I'm wondering if the Vaya wouldn't suffice for that. Admittedly, there could be some trail use...but 80% gravel roads.
    Information I gathered a while ago was: Vaya frame (57) 2208g, Vaya fork 1010g, Vaya total 3218g, Fargo frame (L) 2468g, Fargo fork 1158, Fargo total 3626. Difference = 408g or just under 1 lb. I also gather that the Fargo rides a lot stiffer than the Vaya, all other things being equal - that could be good or bad, depending.

    The Vaya is great for gravel roads - that's what I use mine for about 50% of the time.

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    Thank you for that info, SAWS.

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    I finished my Vaya today. My buddy has lovingly named it "The Mutt" so thats what I'm going with.





    If everything goes to plan, it will see a week long section of the divide this summer. Some of the components may seem strange but everything has a reason and I'm very happy with how everything works together.

    Rolling on:
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    Deore XT 771 mountain touring crankset (from Europe) 48-36-26
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    2013 SLX rear derailleur
    2013 SLX mountain shifters (modified)


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    Nice looking Vaya! Is that a Brooks saddle or stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.ph...3&d=1359929810
    What tires are these? They look like Vittorias?
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