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    Thanks a lot

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    Carbon Fork?

    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
    I've used a Winwood Muddy Cross and a Whisky fork. The Whisky is lighter and better at dampening vibration. Both were significantly lighter than steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Has anyone lightened up there Vaya build using a carbon disc compatible fork? Curious and would like to hear any comments out there on doing this......
    I used a bontrager satalite fork on my ti vaya.

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    Thanks for those two replies. By the way, lawfarm- your link isn't loading for me. Is that pointing to Whiskey's site?

    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?
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    I've put the Spot and the Trigon on for grins. Both are two different degrees of lighter. Both have decent handling. They both introduce a hair of toe overlap on my 57cm frame and my size 46 Sidi's. I know longer plan on using the Trigon as the lack of fender mounts is incongruent with how I use the bike. Spot is still installed.

    Both had plenty of clearance. The spot less but I'm running 40's with wood fenders and have navigated some thick sticky mud successfully.
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Carver Carbon Fork

    Santa brought me a Carver carbon fork for my Vaya. I only have a couple of hundred miles on it, mostly on gravel. Initial impressions are quite promising. It is much lighter than the stock fork. It brought the weight of the complete bike down to 24.7 lbs with pedals and 3 cages! The fork seems to absorb shock a bit better than the stock fork but my first few rides haven't been long enough to tell if it is a significant difference. The main difference is the handling. It is much "quicker" due to the geometry. It handles more like a cross bike. It has introduced a bit of toe overlap with my size 47 shoes, (58cm frame) but that has not been an issue for me so far. Tire clearance is good but not quite as spacious as the stock fork. I have 2 sets of tires/wheels that I run. 700X40 Marathon Mondials have tons of clearance. My favorites, (Spec Renegade control 29 X 1.8's) fit however if I get into muddy conditions it could be an issue as the clearance is only a couple of mm per side. I will be riding the DK200 this year and haven't made a decision yet on tires. Off topic a bit...Hey Ted, I just ordered a set of Retroshifters for the Vaya to replace my Shimano Brifters. I read your review of them and can't wait to get them installed! Hope this info helps.

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    OOPs, I didn't intend to put the caution sign on the post! Fat fingers!!

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    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?[/QUOTE]

    I am running a 38 tire so the clearance has not been a issue.

    I have been really happy with the change to carbon. I used my Vaya for CX last season and the ride qualities of carbon was a upgrade (along with the decrease in weight). I have been riding gravel on it this winter and it rides nice. Not sure if I can tell the difference on the gravel or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by podrunner View Post
    Santa brought me a Carver carbon fork for my Vaya. I only have a couple of hundred miles on it, mostly on gravel. Initial impressions are quite promising. It is much lighter than the stock fork. It brought the weight of the complete bike down to 24.7 lbs with pedals and 3 cages! The fork seems to absorb shock a bit better than the stock fork but my first few rides haven't been long enough to tell if it is a significant difference. The main difference is the handling. It is much "quicker" due to the geometry. It handles more like a cross bike. It has introduced a bit of toe overlap with my size 47 shoes, (58cm frame) but that has not been an issue for me so far. Tire clearance is good but not quite as spacious as the stock fork. I have 2 sets of tires/wheels that I run. 700X40 Marathon Mondials have tons of clearance. My favorites, (Spec Renegade control 29 X 1.8's) fit however if I get into muddy conditions it could be an issue as the clearance is only a couple of mm per side. I will be riding the DK200 this year and haven't made a decision yet on tires. Off topic a bit...Hey Ted, I just ordered a set of Retroshifters for the Vaya to replace my Shimano Brifters. I read your review of them and can't wait to get them installed! Hope this info helps.
    First off, thanks to all for your replies. It's much appreciated. I suppose a bit of an explanation is in order....

    As some of you may have already guessed, I have a Vaya coming, (older orange frame/fork with a pedigree. ), and was looking for some intel on the option of dumping some weight and going with a carbon fork.

    I'd rather have a lively steel disc fork, but those are rare and generally heavy.

    The handling points made here are also of some concern to me.

    Retroshifters: I still use them gladly. In general, garden variety riding, they aren't that big of a deal, but when conditions get to a point that an STI shifter or SRAM shifter suffers degradation, (extreme dust, rain, mud), the Retroshifters hardly bat an eyelash. Besides- SRAM brifters have a record of falling apart during extensive gravel pounding, which is all my two bikes receive. This Vaya will be getting a set of them as well.

    Again- thanks all for the considered replies. I'll chime in with my build and what not later.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Thanks for those two replies. By the way, lawfarm- your link isn't loading for me. Is that pointing to Whiskey's site?

    Do either of you see less tire clearance? Happy with the change from steel to carbon?
    Lets try that link again...

    I'm very happy with the change. I've run up to 40c tires with both forks. The Whisky has a bit more clearance than the Winwood. Tires that will fit in the rear of the Vaya will not fit in the Winwood.

    The Winwood is also a bit stiffer...I've seen people use it on Tandems. It's pretty beefy. The Whisky has a noticeably better ride on choppy gravel.

    Separate from the weight savings, the great ride quality of the Whisky fork makes it a worthy upgrade.

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    I switched to a Spot fork last spring. Quite a bit lighter than stock, with a slightly shorter a-c. I have a little toe overlap, but I had that with the stock fork too.
    I went from having easy clearance for a 29x1.95" tire to being tight on a 29x1.75", with enough clearance on 700x40-43mm for me to be happy.
    What sold me on the fork is its vibration dampening. I noticed right away that the really bad washboards we get around here on dirt roads were far less noticeable, and my tire tended to stay planted on the intended line without the teeth-rattling bouncing I would see with the stock steel fork. This fork and a "fat" rear tire are enough to get me through the harshest roads I can find in the Flint Hills.

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    @lawfarm: Yes- that worked. The last few paragraphs were what I was looking for from someone.

    @xhx: The Spot fork sounds interesting, but it and the Whiskey fork are close enough on specs to be a wash.

    In either instance I would be using a +5 King base plate to kick the head angle off 72°. I also have a carbon legged 26"er mtb fork with 20mm longer axle to crown and 44mm offset I may stick on there just to see what that does to handling. For that matter, I have another short steel disc fork with slightly curved blades and 51mm offset.

    Experiment time!

    Of course, all bets are off if the steer tubes are too short. I do not have the frame in hand yet, so everything will happen next week or later.

    Again- thanks all. I will be back with a report....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I haven't seen too many of these out there yet, so i thought I would post the one I just built up for the shop I work at. (So yes- this is from my workplace. There's your disclaimer )
    Te red is a beautiful color. I wish it had the 10 speed group.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Got a Spot fork for my Vaya Ti. Live just outside of Golden, CO, so I was able to go right to the company to pick it up. Nice forks, nice folks too. Thanks to all for the insight on the carbon forks. Will post some pics when I get some spare time.

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    Cool! I checked out the Whisky fork too, but the Spot's 400mm a-c v. the Whisky's 396 got me closer to the Vaya's stock 405mm. I do have a 5mm King base plate, just never got around to trying it... if you try it in your experiment with good results I might have to pull it out of the parts bin

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    I was thinking about going carbon on my Vaya as well, but I'm really leaning toward a springy custom steel fork (Waltworks or Potts) . . . will report back if I have something worth noting.

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    Just went out today for a nice brisk windy 16 degree ride. Got some shots of the new Vaya in ruby red. Haven't seen too many of these yet...







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    Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Just went out today for a nice brisk windy 16 degree ride. Got some shots of the new Vaya in ruby red. Haven't seen too many of these yet...







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    That's a beautiful machine. I'm curious about the color. It looks different in every picture I've seen. Is it more red or burgundy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ice807 View Post
    That's a beautiful machine. I'm curious about the color. It looks different in every picture I've seen. Is it more red or burgundy?
    It is a deep, rich red. Not quite "candy apple", but dang close.
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    Yup GT is about right. It has metallic flake in it. Those pictures don't do it justice. Really pops in the sun. It was a tough choice as I liked the vanilla with blue color too but this year the Vaya 3 came with BB7 and shimano sora triple with barends. Basically, everything I was looking for so it was an easy choice. I am quite impressed with the quality of sora as well. very similiar quality to the old 105. Could not be happier.

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    Interested to see your build Guitar Ted...love seeing all the different builds. Have been wanting to build a Vaya for some time now as a gravel/long distance cx/all road/whatever you want to call it bike, however this has recently taken my fancy
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    would be interested to hear opinions and experience of this bike for such applications

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    Quote Originally Posted by love View Post
    Interested to see your build Guitar Ted...love seeing all the different builds.
    Well, here it is, bare frame and fork for now. An older model that was ridden to two Trans Iowa finishes and several other gravel road race finishes as well. She's a bit battle worn, but still a good little beast.


    The build is being sorted. A forum member is pitching in, (thanks!), and I only know that right now I'll be using my old Edge carbon wheel set, (now they are called Enve) Bar ends will be the shifting mode, but I haven't sorted whether or not I'm going the SRAM route or an older Shimano route.

    Stay tuned....
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    tuned in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    Lets try that link again...

    I'm very happy with the change. I've run up to 40c tires with both forks. The Whisky has a bit more clearance than the Winwood. Tires that will fit in the rear of the Vaya will not fit in the Winwood.

    The Winwood is also a bit stiffer...I've seen people use it on Tandems. It's pretty beefy. The Whisky has a noticeably better ride on choppy gravel.

    Separate from the weight savings, the great ride quality of the Whisky fork makes it a worthy upgrade.
    Thanks for a great blog post and review.. I can't seem to find the No.7 however (with straight 1.125 steertube and disc brake lugs). The No.5 however seems to meet your criteria perfectly? Notice the URL says No.7 but the description says No.5?!?

    Code:
    treefortbikes.com/product/333222375015/111/Whisky-Parts-Co-No-7-Road.html#navbar=pro___333222375016___111
    (the forum will not let me post links)

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    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.















    Sorry the images are poor quality. Need a better camera.

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    Vaya Project Finished......for now

    Okay, here it is in semi-completed form. I may decide to upgrade in several areas depending on how well I like this bike. We'll see....

    1. 2011 Vaya frame (I also have the steel fork- not used here.)
    2. Winwood Muddy Cross fork (Courtesy of "lawfarm" here. Thanks!)
    3. Wheels- Edge Carbon XC laced to Am Classic Disc via DT Swiss Aerolites
    4. 10spd SRAM TT bar end rear der shifter, 10spd SRAM 11-36t cassette, 9spd SRAM X-9 rear der
    5. TruVativ Elita triple, less outer ring, Shimano BioPace 42T and SRAM inner 30T
    6. SRAM X-Gen frt der, dual pull, high mount. Shifted by Shimano friction bar end
    7. Vintage Tamer carbon seat post, SE Racing branded Velo saddle
    8. On One Midge Bar, Bonty gel tape, Tektro RL 520 levers, Salsa CroMoto stem
    9. Tires: Vee Rubber X-C-X 1.75"ers tubed.
    10. Avid Mtn BB-7 brakes with Quad Brake rotors, 180frt/160 rear


    Total weight without pedals- 23lbs on the nose. Could easily go lower with a few swaps. Had to use what I have for now. It'll be a bit before I can ride it. Report to follow.....
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    Looks to me like there are a few carbon fork choices:
    spot
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    pros/cons suggestions?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjclutt View Post
    Looks to me like there are a few carbon fork choices:
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    pros/cons suggestions?

    Thanks!
    Well, lawfarm, who I got the Winwood from, (no longer available, by the way), says the whiskey 7 felt better to him than this Winwood fork. I researched several riders who have Carver forks and all seemed to like those, but you never know what is what when asking folks opinions on fork "feel". Spot riders also seemed quite pleased with their forks as well.

    I may upgrade to a better fork at some point, but it will likely be a steel custom fork by someone like WaltWorks, etc. I can get a fork that is reasonable in weight but exactly what I want in geometry, which I am not finding in carbon.
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    I have a Carber full carbon disc cyclocross fork that I will be selling soon. I'm going back to a mini v brake on my La Cruz Ti and building up a Fargo for my disc/gravel bike duties. Steerer is uncut. PM if interested and I'll buy an ad.


    See what I did to it here. Fork is an amazing matte black now...still looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.



    Sorry the images are poor quality. Need a better camera.
    Nice bike! What size Vaya frame and what size Revelate frame bag do you happen to have?

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    Hey thanks! Bike is 57cm with medium revelate tangle bag. I am 6'0.5" with 34" inseam and the configuration is perfect coming from a mtb background. I need a better camera to capture the red color better.

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    Here's my Vaya Ti build

    54cm frame
    M960 XTR 28 hole hubs laced 2X with Velocity Blunt SL rims
    Michelin Pilot Sport 700X35c tires running tubeless
    XTR 42/30 10sp crankset
    Xt dual control hydraulic brake/shifter combo, modified to fit drop bars
    XT post mount front caliper, XTR IS mount rear caliper with 140 mm rotor
    XTR M960 rapid rise rear deraileur, 9sp, 11/32 XT cassette
    Spot carbon fork
    Ragley Luxy bar

    I originally built the bike with BB7's and SRAM Rival Brifters, but didn't like the feel of the cable brake calipers. Love the hydraulic brakes, and I've always been a fan of the dual control shifters. I guess that my mountain biking background is showing on this build.

    I may be way off base on this, but I love the Michelin tires. They are listed as 35c, but measure closer to 40. They're high volume, fast rolling, and work well running tubeless.

    The Luxy bar is too wide for my tastes, even after trimming the ends. I'm thinking of cutting the bar right in the center, trimming both sides, and machining a plug, to bond it back together.

    Great thread!
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    Very nice build daytonadogie. Are the aircraft style SHCS's a thing? Do you need to redo the windings when you align your calipers?

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    The XTR calipers came with SHCSs that were pre drilled for the safety wiring. I drilled the holes for the XT fasteners. Yes, I do have to cut the wires to adjust the caliper alignment. Not a big deal if you have a pair of safety wire pliers.

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    What's the function of the safety wiring?

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    It insures that the fasteners don't loosen up. It is used in aircraft and race cars. To be honest with you, I did it mainly for aesthetics. I have a racing background and had the wire and pliers, and the twisted wire has a cool look to it if done properly.

    I've gotten some great ideas off of this thread while planning this build. Thanks to all.

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    What tires do you have on there and how are they when it is wet muddy and slippery?

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    The Michelin pilots are listed on the build list. I use them primarily for Tarmac and hard pack dirt. They are great on wet pavement, but I'm sure there are better tires for mud. I initially got them because of price, but couldn't believe how fast they rolled. Don't have much experience with other tires though.

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    I love the carbon fork and consider getting one for my steel vaya. However they are hard to source around here (Germany), so I'd probably would have to import one myself.

    How do you like yours? Does it take fenders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonadogie View Post
    It insures that the fasteners don't loosen up. It is used in aircraft and race cars. To be honest with you, I did it mainly for aesthetics. I have a racing background and had the wire and pliers, and the twisted wire has a cool look to it if done properly.

    I've gotten some great ideas off of this thread while planning this build. Thanks to all.
    You did a stunning job on the windings and on the build. Je suis jaloux.

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    Would any of you Vaya owners know the weight difference between it and the Fargo? I'm 'needing' something other than my full-suspension Stumpjumper for gravel road rides, and I'm wondering if the Vaya wouldn't suffice for that. Admittedly, there could be some trail use...but 80% gravel roads.

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    I have a Vaya framest I want to list for sale, but I am not sure where to list it on MTBR or should I list it on Road Bike Review? Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    Would any of you Vaya owners know the weight difference between it and the Fargo? I'm 'needing' something other than my full-suspension Stumpjumper for gravel road rides, and I'm wondering if the Vaya wouldn't suffice for that. Admittedly, there could be some trail use...but 80% gravel roads.
    Information I gathered a while ago was: Vaya frame (57) 2208g, Vaya fork 1010g, Vaya total 3218g, Fargo frame (L) 2468g, Fargo fork 1158, Fargo total 3626. Difference = 408g or just under 1 lb. I also gather that the Fargo rides a lot stiffer than the Vaya, all other things being equal - that could be good or bad, depending.

    The Vaya is great for gravel roads - that's what I use mine for about 50% of the time.

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    Thank you for that info, SAWS.

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    I finished my Vaya today. My buddy has lovingly named it "The Mutt" so thats what I'm going with.





    If everything goes to plan, it will see a week long section of the divide this summer. Some of the components may seem strange but everything has a reason and I'm very happy with how everything works together.

    Rolling on:
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    Deore XT 771 mountain touring crankset (from Europe) 48-36-26
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    2013 SLX rear derailleur
    2013 SLX mountain shifters (modified)


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    Nice looking Vaya! Is that a Brooks saddle or stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    Here are some more pictures of the Ruby Red Vaya that I finally got set up the way I like it. Perfect for gravel. Really getting tired of this cold weather though.
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    What tires are these? They look like Vittorias?
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    The tires are actually cheap Kenda K161 Krosscyclo tires. I have used them for 8+ plus years. Yes they are cheap but flat protection is exceptional and the are $10 a piece. Not what I would use for sharp flint gravel but suitable for what we have here. Saddle is Brooks not stock. I'm also experimenting with a Whisky No. 7 fork. So far I like the results.

    *correction Whisky No. 5 cyclocross fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_MurdocChongo View Post
    I'm also experimenting with a Whisky No. 7 fork. So far I like the results.
    Tell us more about the fork!

    Can you (or anyone else) comment on the geometry change vs. stock? Anyone try with and without one of those King +5 baseplates (or similar)?

    Thanks!
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    I'd be interested to see how you mounted the SLX shifters. Maybe some more pics? Love the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonadogie View Post
    I'd be interested to see how you mounted the SLX shifters. Maybe some more pics? Love the build.
    Actually I got the idea from your build (immaculate by the way). I am hoping to upgrade to SLX brakes later in the year and go with the i-spec mounting system for the shifters and brake levers. For now, I used a rotary sanding drum to take material out from the inside diameter of the clamps which increased the ID enough to work on the drop bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther View Post
    Tell us more about the fork!

    Can you (or anyone else) comment on the geometry change vs. stock? Anyone try with and without one of those King +5 baseplates (or similar)?

    Thanks!
    I'm running a Whisky on my Vaya...love it. The geometry difference is really not terribly palpable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawfarm View Post
    I'm running a Whisky on my Vaya...love it. The geometry difference is really not terribly palpable.
    Nice. I suppose I can just try it and then find a solution if the geometry change bothers me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther View Post
    Nice. I suppose I can just try it and then find a solution if the geometry change bothers me!
    I had written some detailed thoughts on it here. It's really unnoticeable.

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    Set back seat posts / layback seat pins

    I've got a 54 frame size, and I'm trying to get as comfortable as possible on it for long day rides.

    I did try a 105mm, a 70, an 80mm stem but I feel the 85mm is good so able to use the drops.

    I did have a ThudBuster LT but reverted back to my orginal lighter seat post. I normally ride 17.5 / 18 MTB frames, and I'm just not sure if this frame is too small and wondered if the Thomson layback might be the answer. I cannot find any other manufactures that have a fairly aft position.

    Any thoughts on why I get lower back pain after 15 miles?

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    This is mine - a Ti Vaya gravel warrior. I have a few more tweaks in store, but it's shaping up nicely.
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    It sounds like you have tried lots of stem lengths. Keep playing with those stem lengths, maybe play with the height of the bars as well as the position of the saddle.

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    Everyone's different, but when I was fitted on my Vaya, the guy recommended a post with a lot of setback. I ended up ordering one form Eriksen with extra setback. It's helped me out.


    Quote Originally Posted by san0 View Post
    I've got a 54 frame size, and I'm trying to get as comfortable as possible on it for long day rides.

    I did try a 105mm, a 70, an 80mm stem but I feel the 85mm is good so able to use the drops.

    I did have a ThudBuster LT but reverted back to my orginal lighter seat post. I normally ride 17.5 / 18 MTB frames, and I'm just not sure if this frame is too small and wondered if the Thomson layback might be the answer. I cannot find any other manufactures that have a fairly aft position.

    Any thoughts on why I get lower back pain after 15 miles?

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    Any one happen to know the weight of a 2012 Vaya 3 (factory build kit)?

    Mine is metamorphosing into a more custom build....never bothered to weigh it before I started.....can't find it listed on the web.

    Thanks.

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    Hairllama - that build looks super! Would love to see/hear more.

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    Hello all. I've been lurking here since, oh, Aug '12 or so, steali...er... borrowing all of your wonderful ideas for my own Vaya build. I'm a shameless freerider, just ask all my schoolmates I figure it's time to play nice and share my own pics, now that I'm (finally) done.

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    Cartridge type headset (shop installed)
    Velocity Dyad 36H rims
    Shimano XT hubs
    Butted stainless spokes
    BB7 roads (what else)
    Salsa Cowbell bars
    Tektro road levers (great value, I must say)
    Shimano bar-end shifters
    Jagwire cabling (routed along bars to stem, works fine)
    Salsa Pro-Moto seatpost (too expensive... my only instance of buyer's remorse)
    Re-used square taper BB & triple crank
    Re-used front & rear derailers
    New 34T cassette
    Racktime Topit front rack with wire basket
    Hideous (I know) Planet Bike bar tape finished with pirate-print hockey tape
    Re-used chromo-plastic fenders with homemade mudflap
    Re-used Flyer saddle.
    Chainstay/headtube protectors are masking tape- was going to be temporary, but I kinda like it!

    I didn't want centerlock hubs, or machined sidewalls, but that's what I got. I would have made an issue of it, but my LBS explained he couldn't get the non-MSW thru his distributor, and it took FOREVER to get them in as it was. He was nice enough to let me use his shop to put the wheels together and checked my work, so I'm actually pretty happy in the end; It's really only a cosmetic detail after all.

    The bag was a shooters haversack (if the guy carrying it didn't have a gun, you'd call it a purse) my wife was going to get rid of. I took the strap off, cut it up, bolted it thru to some bar stock I cut to length and placed on the inside (to keep it from sagging), and finally had the local cobbler stitch it down. Not that you can find a blue, leather seat bag, but I figure I saved myself $100 on something of a similar nature.

    One question: The stem I blindly ordered off of Amazon (shame, SHAAAAME!) leaves part of the steerer exposed. Think I need to do anything about that? Wipe it with grease? Cover it with electrical tape? Quit freaking out about such small stuff?

    Thanks for looking, and more importantly, thanks for all of the ideas and guidance over the last six months!

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    Wheel Build Help -

    Been on the TI stock for 11 months, 5,000 miles. The stock wheel set is DTSwiss TK 540, Deore LX hubs, DTSwiss spokes (32h). I believe wheel weight is 2,000-2200 grams w/o rotors or QRs. Certainly the wheels are built for loaded go anywhere touring.

    I like the go any where part but do this always very lightly loaded. I weight 180 lbs, lots of miles both short and long (200 miles +) rides on mixed terrain with generally poor pavement. I have run 32mm Paselas for summer(long rides) and 40mm Clement MSO's for winter heavier off road.

    So I would like to lighten up the wheel set, local wheel builder has suggested stan's iron cross or velocity Blunt SL, White Industries hubs and DTSwiss spokes. I estimate between 1600 -1700 for this build (before rotors & qr's).

    Another way to think of it; I will keep the stock wheel set for the roughest/heaviest stuff, so the new set could be viewed as lighter work, still mixed surface and long rides/lots of miles.

    Ideas, suggestions..... am just wasting time and money?

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    @ Lee C -- How do you like the front rack? I've been tempted to give that particular one a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehr View Post
    Wheel Build Help -

    Been on the TI stock for 11 months, 5,000 miles. The stock wheel set is DTSwiss TK 540, Deore LX hubs, DTSwiss spokes (32h). I believe wheel weight is 2,000-2200 grams w/o rotors or QRs. Certainly the wheels are built for loaded go anywhere touring.

    I like the go any where part but do this always very lightly loaded. I weight 180 lbs, lots of miles both short and long (200 miles +) rides on mixed terrain with generally poor pavement. I have run 32mm Paselas for summer(long rides) and 40mm Clement MSO's for winter heavier off road.

    So I would like to lighten up the wheel set, local wheel builder has suggested stan's iron cross or velocity Blunt SL, White Industries hubs and DTSwiss spokes. I estimate between 1600 -1700 for this build (before rotors & qr's).

    Another way to think of it; I will keep the stock wheel set for the roughest/heaviest stuff, so the new set could be viewed as lighter work, still mixed surface and long rides/lots of miles.

    Ideas, suggestions..... am just wasting time and money?
    When my Vaya was built, I had a set of handmade wheels custom built for it. Chris King hubs, stainless steel spokes, Velocity A23 rims, and I was running 35c Continental Cyclocross Speed tires.

    Late last fall, I had the shop build up a set of new wheels for me. I went to Stan's Crests, laced with CxRay spokes to a set of DT240 hubs. I also went tubeless, and started running 38c tires. Full details here, and a little update post here.

    In short, it was the best single improvement I've ever made to a bike. There was a huge drop in rotating mass (even going up to 38s, I think I dropped around 700 grams), and the difference in ride is amazing. I can run lower pressures for better comfort and more control on loose gravel, while still having an 'easier to pedal' feeling based on the weight reduction. I'll say it again--it was the best upgrade I've ever done.

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    I kept my old wheelset as a backup, thinking that I'd use it for times when I wanted bombproof wheels. They've been sitting on the shelf, gathering dust. I just don't use 'em. For a Vaya, the Crests have been totally reliable. I would strongly encourage you to go for the upgrade that you're contemplating.

    I considered Iron Cross and Crests. The ICs let you run a higher pressure, and the Crests are a bit wider (only a mm or two). I ended up getting the Crests because I didn't contemplate running higher pressures, I wanted the extra width, and they were readily available. I have no complaints about the setup. Make sure you're going to use light hubs and nice spokes. Oh--and take the decals off the wheels (IMO).

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    Lawfarm - thanks much great info as always, pretty settled on the IC (stickers off for sure!) will make the call between WI and 240's after talking with the builder again today (about 100 gram difference between the two hub sets, probably immaterial for hubs). Probably will stay with DT comp spokes but will ask the builder his thoughts the weight savings to CXray look appetizing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davehr View Post
    Wheel Build Help -

    Been on the TI stock for 11 months, 5,000 miles. The stock wheel set is DTSwiss TK 540, Deore LX hubs, DTSwiss spokes (32h). I believe wheel weight is 2,000-2200 grams w/o rotors or QRs. Certainly the wheels are built for loaded go anywhere touring.

    I like the go any where part but do this always very lightly loaded. I weight 180 lbs, lots of miles both short and long (200 miles +) rides on mixed terrain with generally poor pavement. I have run 32mm Paselas for summer(long rides) and 40mm Clement MSO's for winter heavier off road.

    So I would like to lighten up the wheel set, local wheel builder has suggested stan's iron cross or velocity Blunt SL, White Industries hubs and DTSwiss spokes. I estimate between 1600 -1700 for this build (before rotors & qr's).

    Another way to think of it; I will keep the stock wheel set for the roughest/heaviest stuff, so the new set could be viewed as lighter work, still mixed surface and long rides/lots of miles.

    Ideas, suggestions..... am just wasting time and money?
    Here's a thread on Crest vs Blunt SL.

    forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/stans-crest-vs-velocity-blunt-sl-29er-rims-755306.html

    A good wheelset is the best upgrade that you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark View Post
    @ Lee C -- How do you like the front rack? I've been tempted to give that particular one a try.
    I like it very much. I wanted something affordable that mounted to the mid-fork mounts, and this was about the only item that fit the bill.

    It came with nice hardware, including brackets to mount a light (like this gent did), and it has a nice finish. The 22lb weight limit seems generous too- more than I think I'd want mounted so high in the front.

    I added a few bits that I think would be nice if they were included: Lock washers, and one of those curved spacers for caliper brakes for where the bracket mounts to the bottom of the steerer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee C. View Post
    I like it very much. I wanted something affordable that mounted to the mid-fork mounts, and this was about the only item that fit the bill.

    It came with nice hardware, including brackets to mount a light (like this gent did), and it has a nice finish. The 22lb weight limit seems generous too- more than I think I'd want mounted so high in the front.

    I added a few bits that I think would be nice if they were included: Lock washers, and one of those curved spacers for caliper brakes for where the bracket mounts to the bottom of the steerer.
    Thanks for the info. I'm wondering if Racktime has a compatible bag that's large enough for all my crud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehr View Post
    Lawfarm - thanks much great info as always, pretty settled on the IC (stickers off for sure!) will make the call between WI and 240's after talking with the builder again today (about 100 gram difference between the two hub sets, probably immaterial for hubs). Probably will stay with DT comp spokes but will ask the builder his thoughts the weight savings to CXray look appetizing though.
    You can't go wrong with either of those hubs. I just built a set of wheels for my Vaya on WI MI6 hubs(and polished Blunt SL rims). They feel fantastic. Every bit as smooth as my DT240's. Not quite as easy to maintain, but few hubs are. Good luck and enjoy your new wheels!


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    Cool-blue Rhythm My Turn

    Here's mine. I love it so far, not many miles except for a shake down ride. 1 thing I did notice was that It was more nimble than people say.
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    I wanted a full Shimano build, but the Shimano brake levers are fugly!(IMHO) That's why I got the TRP's which I'm digging btw. Anyway 10 speed road components with a MTB rear 9speed der. Went this route so that I have the ability to run upto a 36T rear cog should I need to later down the road I mean dirt trail. Currently set up tubeless with Specialized Renegades 1.8's... plenty of room.
    Thanks to all for the inspiration

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    Yay I'm about to order mine tomorrow!!!

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    I'm liking the Racktime Topit Rack too. (or a Salas Minamalist), but at half the price it is looking good. They make a bag for it, called the Quebit.

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    Looks rather square to me but could hold a lot of "crud"

    Anyone have one? I'd like to see a pic of the rack and bag together and hear a review before I take a plunge, but searches have all come up null. Even Racktime doesn't have one.

    I'm currenty running a Topeak Super Tourist rack on the rear with a matching trunk bag with drop down panniers. I like the storage, but it is heavy and when I get off bike it almost wheelies (weight is too high IMO). Thinking front rack is the way to go
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    ok its actually a Whisky No. 5 not the No. 7. I'm guessing the only difference would be the No. 5 is straight aluminum steerer rather than a tapered carbon steerer. Similar to lawfarm's experience I haven't noticed a change in handling. I guess I haven't ridden enough different bikes to be able to realize the small changes but more importantly I think the carbon fork paired with a steel frame is a score. Weight wise I have no idea. I don't weigh bikes/parts/myself I just know when things feel right and I stick with that. Perception is everything I guess. Anyways, final incarnation of the vaya. Changed to Marathon Mondials and really happy about the final product. You know when you sit on the saddle and put your hands on the bars and things just feel...ahhhh. That's where we're at here.











    oh yeah and Retroshift makes perfect sense for a bike like this. Well done Goats!

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    oh yeah, bonus about the fork: 51mm tire clearance (per whisky)

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    I did have a ThudBuster LT but reverted back to my orginal lighter seat post. I normally ride 17.5 / 18 MTB frames, and I'm just not sure if this frame is too small and wondered if the Thomson layback might be the answer. I cannot find any other manufactures that have a fairly aft position.
    I really like to set up behind the bottom bracket myself and use a Truvativ Hussefelt setback seatpost that I believe has about 20mm of offset (but looks like more than that when I've compared to other side by side). Nitto's really nice S-84 seatpost has 45mm of offset. I haven't felt the need to go that far yet, but I certainly would if needed because of a too steep seat tube angle. My larger 2010 Vaya (I have a 58cm one) and my 2010 Fargo have sufficiently slack seat tube angles (72.5 and 72 degrees, respectively) that I haven't needed the S-84. I think the Eriksen seatposts mentioned in another response above come with 20mm of offset. The Thomson Elite setback seatpost only has 16mm of offset, but if that's enough they are really well made! Velo Orange has a Grand Cru model that I believe they say has 30mm of offset. As you can tell, I've looked into this issue before and there are more choices than might at first be apparent.

    Here are some photos of each of the Nitto, VO, and Truvativ Hussefelt:

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    Hi folks. Getting back into riding and have decided to go with the Vaya. I was wondering if anyone could let me know their experience with the stock Salsa wheel builds. I'm 290 lbs. and was thinking I might be better off with a custom 36h 4 cross build.

    Also, any real difference between the BB7 road and Mountain brake calipers. Avid's site doesn't mention any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phorn View Post
    I think the Eriksen seatposts mentioned in another response above come with 20mm of offset.
    Eriksen can do custom offsets if you'd like, too. I believe they did 32mm on mine.
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    The stock salsa wheels seem pretty beefy but 290 is likely on the high side of what salsa designed for the bike. Maybe the stockers will be OK if you aren't also loading the bike up with bags for touring but 36h wheels couldn't hurt. The BB7 road calipers are made to work with road levers which pull less cable than mountain levers. Get the bb7s if you plan to use a drop bar and road shifter/levers.

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    Dr_Murdoc's pretty red Vaya convinced me that's what I needed, too.

    Should be here in a couple weeks....

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    Update On My Vaya

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    Okay, I've had some time on the Vaya and here is a short update on some things about it. First, I had to go to an actual 10spd rear derailleur. The 9spd just wasn't workable. So with that change I made a couple of rides and the verdict is that the Vaya is a keeper. Pretty stable on a variety of gravel surfaces and the fork, a Winwood, (thanks to lawfarm!), is pretty decent. I have not actually tried the steel fork, but I may pop that in there just to contrast and compare it to the Winwood.

    There will be upgrades and those should make the bike even better, but for now, I am pretty pleased with this as a gravel rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenisB View Post
    Hi folks. Getting back into riding and have decided to go with the Vaya. I was wondering if anyone could let me know their experience with the stock Salsa wheel builds. I'm 290 lbs. and was thinking I might be better off with a custom 36h 4 cross build.
    I'm about 270 and wanted to support loaded touring so had similar requirements. I built my 56 Vaya frame in a flat bar configuration (I really don't expect I'd spend much time in the drops and can't comment on the stock wheels) and originally specified Velocity Psycho rims on 36 hole Deore hubs. I was advised that these wheels were too heavy and too wide but the heart wants what the heart wants. Not surprisingly the advice was right (though the wheels were quite bombproof) so I have switched to Vel Dyad rims on 40 hole WI MI6 hubs and double butted spokes. So far so good... they are noticeably quicker and look pretty good. Time will tell but I believe these will be sturdy wheels.

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    Nice! Which fork is that (sorry if you've posted it before, couldn't find it). Didn't think there was a cx fork that would clear XR-1's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xhx View Post
    Nice! Which fork is that (sorry if you've posted it before, couldn't find it). Didn't think there was a cx fork that would clear XR-1's.
    It's the Whisky no. 5 (carbon legs, straight 1-1/8 aluminum steerer)

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    Is there a rear derailleur cable/housing product that will protect the cable from grit and weather? I've got enough grit inside the housing that the shifting is degraded. This is for a Vaya Ti. Is it possible to clean out the grit? What is the most efficient way to deal with this issue. Thanks!

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    Spring?!? Hopefully, it will feel like it by the end of the week...


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    xxxxxx,
    Consider the Gore professional shift kit. I've used these on multiple bikes and they work very well. Currently in use on my Vaya

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    a stock Vaya

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    loving this bike so far. It's been great for dirt and gravel roads and commuting over the rough streets in town. I think it handles single track better than my cyclocross bike. Took it on an 80 mile gravel/pavement gran fondo style ride and it worked perfectly.

    This is the 56cm size; the medium Revelate bag just barely fits and leaves enough room for an 8" tall bottle on the down tube and a 9" on the seat tube.

    No mods for this bike in the near future, but a carbon fork sounds interesting.

    Scott

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    Here's my Vaya at the top of Captiva Island last week.

    I'm trying the new seat, so far it is good. I might try the Ergon. The lowest bottle has repair items.

    I'll look into the Gore product thanks for the suggestion.

    Josh

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxxx View Post
    Is there a rear derailleur cable/housing product that will protect the cable from grit and weather? I've got enough grit inside the housing that the shifting is degraded. This is for a Vaya Ti. Is it possible to clean out the grit? What is the most efficient way to deal with this issue. Thanks!
    Are you referring to the last loop/piece of housing (i.e., the section of housing between the chainstay cable stop/guide and the derailleur)? If so, you can clean/lube that last section be slipping the housing/cable out of the chainstay guide.
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    Unfortunately that section was just replaced. So the degraded shifting must be from grit in the front section of cable/housing.

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    Vaya travel

    Here is my almost stock vaya travel. I did switch the brakes to bb7-sl.
    Two sort rides so far, I like it a lot. Much quicker than the Fargo.

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    Vaya T(G)ravel on its maiden voyage, an overnighter at Point Reyes National Seashore...

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    ...and ready for the last geared test before being turned into SS for a 100K Gravel race in mud and rain.
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    Some dialing to be done but I am realy liking this bike.

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    What will be required to set up your Vaya SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxxx View Post
    Unfortunately that section was just replaced. So the degraded shifting must be from grit in the front section of cable/housing.
    It must be really contaminated. One thing you can try is to clean the cable guide under the BB shell, and then carefully spray it with silicone lube.
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    A single cog, spacers and a shorter chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fb71 View Post
    A single cog, spacers and a shorter chain.
    Okay. Once it's done pictures will be fun to see. Thanks.

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