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    The Salsa Fargo Thread

    Here's the Fargo in action. post yours when you get it here...



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    great looking rig - can you get the Fargo from a LBS now?

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    Thanks GT, here are a few pics of mine

    I've got almost 300 pictures of the Fargo. Heck, it might even be 400. OK, maybe even 500. I've even got a couple of you riding one! I love this bike. Since frames just started shipping last week. I'm sure some crazy builds will show up here. Let's try to keep this thread to pictures. If you've got some specific questions, create a new post. We all need more pics.

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    Nice bikes. More pictures please. Would love to see one with front and rear racks.

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    Here's mine. Apologies for the poor quality photo; it's a cell phone camera.

    This is my first nice bike. I've been riding MTBs off and on for 15 years, but they were both totally stock, much lower end bikes. I wanted to get a good do-it-all bike for my 40th birthday, with bias toward something that would work for bike camping and long gravel road exploration. I know very little (read: next to nothing) about components, bike fit, or bike technology in general, but when I saw the photos of the Fargo, it was love at first sight.

    I ordered a frame from the regional Salsa dealer and they assured me I'd be getting one of the very first ones. I relied on their advice along with the factory bike specs, and had them build it for me. It's very similar to the factory complete bike, except that the wheels are the Salsa Delgado 29er Race model, and the shifters are different. Oh, and I got the Thudbuster ST after seeing it on the Gnat blog.

    I've had it for about 5 days, and thus far I've done some town cruising, a couple of hours of singletrack, and some laps on a local cyclocross course. So far it's a blast. It feels like it's glued to the ground, but fast. I have no idea how a bike like this should fit, so I'm open to suggestions. Right after taking the photo I lowered the handlebars to one spacer above the bottom, and it seems OK. I have very short legs for my height (5'11", 30" inseam), so the sloping top tube is really nice for me.

    The bike handles really well on singletrack, but the clearance is a little low for many of the trails around here. I'm sure it's probably set up this way to enhance stability while touring, which is fine with me.

    I have a Surly rear rack and a frame bag on order for it. So far two people have independently named it my "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Bike", which I think fits it quite well.

    PS: I'm also soliciting recommendations on fenders that will work with racks.
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    My rolling chassis is up and I hope to get her strung up tonight. The stem set-up is temp while I figure out where I want to end up and how I want to get there. I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees. Not that Dimension isn't the last word in quality hardware or anything.

    Big rubber looks good on it! Plenty of clearance with Rampages.
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    SanJuan,

    Congrats on being the first rider to get one of these built and spend some time on it beyond one of us "industry folk"! The setup looks fantastic, simple and practical. From your photo it appears that the bar height is good for primary use in the drops. There is no "perfect" method for this. Try different things, rely on your shop and folks that you trust for advice and you'll figure it out.

    The BB is low and you nailed it on the "why"? If it is cranks that your hitting, shorter arms would help. If it is chainrings and you find yourself not using the big ring, or wanting to ride more aggresive singletrack you could always drop the big ring and put on a bashguard.

    The "Mad Max" analogy is great! I've heard some others as well. When people have asked me "what is that?" I've been calling the Fargo the "#@$% Kicker", threatened to ride it at a local cross event and ride through the barriers, and my favorite yet, enter a local criterium event on it. The bikes is tough, versatile, and super fun!

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    Go Kart,
    Come on man! SanJuan's got his built and is riding it, what are you waiting for? Seriously. I can't wait to hear to what people think of them as they get out there and get some time on the bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees.
    Um, yo who! Look at the name on the frame. Salsa. They make stems too, yeah, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    PS: I'm also soliciting recommendations on fenders that will work with racks.
    Planet Bike Cascadia 29er's will get 'er done with the Nice rack.


    More inspiration for ya'll:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/30517247@N02/3023226215/" title="Salsa Fargo by capt.deadsailor, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3023226215_b08404607b_o.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Salsa Fargo" /></a>

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    can you post this picture in full color?
    thanks

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    This is my new favorite thread!

    I probably won't be able to get one any time soon, as it has more than doubled in price due to the collapse of my country's currency (think $5-6k for a complete).

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Salsa Fargo Build

    I don't have my Fargo frame yet, but when I do get it, this is how I intend to build it up. It's going to be slightly different from other builds I've seen so far.... The most glaring difference will be my H-bars (not drop bars), hydraulic disc brakes, and vintage friction thumb shifters. I'm hoping to see some very creative variations out there... Here's what my Fargo will look like:

    Fargo frame and fork, size Large (I'm 6'1", 34-inch inseam)
    Thomson Elite seatpost (410mm long)
    Brooks B17 Special saddle (honey color)
    Chris King headset
    Salsa Cromoto stem (length and pitch TBD, to fit)
    Titec H-bar handlebar, wrapped
    Shimano hydraulic disc brakes and levers (Deore/LX)
    Vintage 1985 Suntour XC thumbshifters (friction, non-indexed)
    Shimano SLX front and rear derailleurs
    Shimano SLX crankset (44/32/22 teeth)
    SRAM 9-speed cassette
    Rims: Stan's ZTR Flow 36-hole rim with tubeless rim tape
    Front wheel: Schmidt Nabendynamo (Son28) disc generator hub
    Rear wheel: Phil Wood disc cassette hub
    Spokes: DT Swiss double-butted
    Road Tires: Schwalbe Big Apple 29 x 2.35, tubeless (yes, tubeless)
    Off-road Tires: Panaracer Rampage 29 x 2.35, tubeless
    Fenders (when needed): Planet Bike Cascadia
    Rear rack - Tubus Logo
    Front rack - TBD, need recommendations. Must coexist with my lowrider Tubus Tara rack
    Lights - Home-built J-Dro 3-LED handlebar-mounted generator light (it ROCKS!)
    Pedals - Dual-sided cage/SPD pedals

    Additional bling:
    Niner bottle cap stem cap (because you are what you drink)
    Japanese brass stem-spacer bell

    Now how cool is that gonna be?

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    frame size

    Go Kart Motzart, what size frame is that?


    My rolling chassis is up and I hope to get her strung up tonight. The stem set-up is temp while I figure out where I want to end up and how I want to get there. I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees. Not that Dimension isn't the last word in quality hardware or anything.

    Big rubber looks good on it! Plenty of clearance with Rampages.[/QUOTE]

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    Another one:
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    Quote Originally Posted by threesixeight
    Go Kart Motzart, what size frame is that?
    Sorry, I just now saw your post.

    My Fargo is a large and seems like it will fit quite nice (6 ft.), but the bars will need to come up just a shade more. I will be in the drops most of the time on this bike.

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    Is your frame bag a Carousel Design Works? I'm fascinated by those. Salsa should make a production frame bag for this bike.

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    large

    Nice looking bike. I like the length of the headtube on your size Large. I may have to go XL though. I am always between sizes. Oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Sorry, I just now saw your post.

    My Fargo is a large and seems like it will fit quite nice (6 ft.), but the bars will need to come up just a shade more. I will be in the drops most of the time on this bike.

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    subscriiiiiiiibed.

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    I posted this and some observations in the 29er forum, but didn't know how many of you even visited over there.

    Fargo is done. Fun bike. Need to dial in the stem/fit thing a bit, but it's gonna be agood bike that I own for a long time.



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    awesome video go kart. Got more?
    Just a regular guy.

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    couple-a-fargos

    I'm finally getting a few fall miles in on my Fargo and have to say I'm totally digging it. We've put one together for the wife also to replace her cyclocross bike with something more trail friendly and have eliminated toe overlap in the process which is a big deal for her. My Schnauzer loves them too and can't wait to get out in her tail wagon for a trail ride soon.
    Mine is large built up with a shimano mix of bar ends and xt/xtr drivetrain, Sugino cranks Hope/Stans wheels with Captain 2.2s tubeless.
    I went with a 172.5 crank to help with ground strikes but I've spent a lot of time on a cross bike on the same trails so I'm pretty good at keeping them to a minimum. I'd even try a set of 170s if I could get them cheap enough.
    Wife's is a small with the build kit pulled from her cross bike other than the disc brakes and pink king stuff. We just got it together and with company in town for the holidays she hasn't gotten out yet.

    My home trails are the same ones that the salsa crew ride to work as I live in Bloomington so it's safe to say these bikes have seen a few miles on our river trails around here. It works really really well down there and I'm thinking that it'd be perfect for the Fat Tire 40 if I happen to get in.

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    That's definitely my kind of build. Functional without being too flashy. What size is yours for reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    That's definitely my kind of build. Functional without being too flashy. What size is yours for reference?
    Quote Originally Posted by PMC
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    Mine is large...
    Wife's is a small...
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    Fargo Vid

    GKM:

    No doubt you've got it dialed in, dude... Nice vid (and nice solo camera technique... I like).

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    You got it, small and a large. I was stoked to actually get my hands on one of each from the first batch.

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    Nice Rides

    Still waiting here, but really enjoying seeing all the other builds so far.

    Estimated date is December 8 right now for the medium I pre-ordered..

    Have almost everything accounted for so far, just have to work out the details on the build..

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    PMC:

    Nice "Mr and Mrs Fargos"... Mind my asking your dimensions (ie height and inseam)? Also, is that stem length and angle working for you? Thanks,
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    MCB - I'm 6'1" with an 89cm inseam, saddle height is around 78.5cm. I ended up with a 8cm 90 degree stem thinking I had bought a 9cm but it seems to be working pretty good so I'm keeping it. I'd usually ride something longer than an 8 or 9 on a road bike but it really works on this bike. You can't really tell from the photo but the bars are a bit higher than the saddle, probably an inch higher which seems to work pretty good but I don't think I would go any higher.

    On my road and cross bikes the cockpit is set up longer and lower, I'd run a 120mm stem with about 3.5 inches of drop if all other measurements were equal.

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    Latest variation



    Here's the latest incarnation. Crossmax 29"er hoops, Geax TNT Saguaro tires tubeless. 180mm front rotor. Rides like a dream!
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    Racks, anyone?

    Slightly disappointed at a seeming lack of front rack options for the Fargo... So far, aside from the Nitto (M18?) front rack from the Interbike model, I've neither heard nor seen few other front rack options. Anyone run a Nice Rack on the front? (I know the rear Nice Rack fits, but concerned about front disc brake interference). Also, has anyone tried installing a Tubus Tara lowrider yet?

    In particular I would like to install a light load rack that fastens via the mid-fork braze-ons (like the M18, but a little less spendy) for everyday riding, AND also have the option of adding the Tara for more loaded riding.

    I may end up making my own... Any ideas? Thx!

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    The fargo is looking good

    The fargo is looking good GTed. Is that a Medium Frame?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted


    Here's the latest incarnation. Crossmax 29"er hoops, Geax TNT Saguaro tires tubeless. 180mm front rotor. Rides like a dream!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Slightly disappointed at a seeming lack of front rack options for the Fargo... So far, aside from the Nitto (M18?) front rack from the Interbike model, I've neither heard nor seen few other front rack options. Anyone run a Nice Rack on the front? (I know the rear Nice Rack fits, but concerned about front disc brake interference). Also, has anyone tried installing a Tubus Tara lowrider yet?

    In particular I would like to install a light load rack that fastens via the mid-fork braze-ons (like the M18, but a little less spendy) for everyday riding, AND also have the option of adding the Tara for more loaded riding.

    I may end up making my own... Any ideas? Thx!

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    Some of the photos of the Salsa guys' Fargos show a Velo-Orange Porteur rack installed on the front.

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    bar end shifter compatibility

    This may be a silly question, but are the bar con shifters compatible with SRAM ders? I would like to shift over parts, but I'm running X9 rear and it's virtually new. Would I have to get something from the big "S" or would the combination of barcons and SRAM work? Anybody trying this?

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    Racks, Here's the load.

    Front Racks First...
    Compatible and tested:
    - Surly Nice Rack (Serious Loading)
    - Velo Orange Porteur (Light Touring large load capacity)
    - Tubus Duo (Touring with Panniers)
    - Nitto M18 (light touring, I don't understand the allure)

    Rear Racks...
    Compatible and Tested
    - Jandd Expedition models
    - Surly Nice Rack
    - Tubus Cargo

    More details... Front Racks are tough. The 29er tire doesn't allow for lowrider racks with a stabilizing front loop that goes over the tire. Most of these racks were not designed with a 29 in mind, just a 35 and a fender. This is why the Tubus Duo is great. It mounts to both sides of the mid-blade mount to stabilize the rack with a load on it.

    I've run the VO Porteur extensively and I love it! It is great for around town errands, commuting, some touring. It will work with panniers, but puts the load high. Heavy, high loads do not ride well. I have however picked up my CSA (Large box of vegetables) multiple times with the Portuer rack. I Love It!

    We have also run the Surly Nice Rack and Nitto M18 extensively. GNAT road the m18 with a small dry bag strapped in, this seemed to work well for clothing and light loads. He'll have to comment. I haven't heard much on the Nice Rack, although it clearly mounts up and will handle large loads. It is expedition worthy and over-built for 99% of us, but will clearly serve needs.

    Rear Racks are much easier. We designed the dropout eyelet to be in a position so 99% of racks out there would clear the 29 tire. So you will very easily find one to fit. The difficult point here is the attachment to the seatstay. You may need long mounting straps if your rack doesn't come with them. This is a result of seatstay position in relation to the rack caused by a shorter seat tube and increased standover of the frame. Geek stuff, but trust me on this, make sure your mounting struts or straps are long enough!

    Frame Bags are also a great idea to consider...Eric at EpicDesigns does great bags, as does Jeff at Carousel.
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    Nope. Not compatible. Unless you choose to run them in friction that is. Even the SRAM barends won't work as the road line pulls a different cable amount vs. the Mtn stuff.
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    Jtek makes a shiftmate that supposedly works with Shimano 9 shifters, cassette and SRAM 1:1 Mtb derailleurs.
    http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate_straight.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by threesixeight
    The fargo is looking good GTed. Is that a Medium Frame?
    The frame I am running is a Large size. Thanks for the kind words!
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    Hey GT, How "Big a Boy are ya"? What is your inseam, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT, How "Big a Boy are ya"? What is your inseam, etc?
    I am 6'1" and my "cycling inseam" is a hair over 34". My saddle height from the center of the BB is 31" and my measurement from the saddles center to the centerline of the stem bar clamp is 28". (Normally it is 28", on this Fargo it is 27")
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    would a medium fit...

    if I have a 30" inseam? I've read that Salsa tends to run a little big, at least as far as the cross bikes go (the compact sizing and all) so would a medium allow me to place the bars at the correct height to ride the drops most of the time?

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    I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam and the medium works for me.

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    Zarf, Is the frame bag pictured here custom? I noticed Jandd makes one in a similar size...

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    No custom, that straight up IS the Jandd bag. They are sweet little packs.

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    Ok, so now that there are quite a few of you who have logged a decent number of miles on this bike I have a survey of sorts for all of you. Because of the versatility designed into this bike I'm curious what range of uses and setups people are going for with their Fargo.

    This is part curiosity and part research since I'm looking at getting one of these when the completes hit in February. My use will be commuting, occasional bike camping and exploration ride. Not much in the way of unpaved roads in my area. Just pavement or singletrack.

    That said:
    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer.
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc...

    The third question may be really helpful to others not yet riding this bike. I'm curious myself how people are setting up the bars when they ride both pavement and dirt. Are you putting them up high to use the drops off road and sacrificing comfortable road positions?

    Fill me in while I wait through the winter. Thanks!


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    Has anyone done a road trip on a Fargo yet? Loaded? I'm looking for a bike to cross the country and possibly do the CDT some day & the Fargo seems perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)
    So far I've ridden paved roads, dirt roads, technical singletrack, non-technical singletrack, and a cyclocross course (not racing). Planned: on-road and off-road touring.

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)
    So far, probably 60% pavement, 20% singletrack, 20% other. It's really sloppy here right now, so I'll be doing mostly road riding for a while.

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer.
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.
    I have the Salsa drop bars, set up pretty high in relation to the seat. I have little choice in this matter without changing stems: I have short legs and my saddle is quite low, but the stem is set up only one spacer above the head tube.

    I still ride roads on the hoods; most of the time on the trail is in the drops.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc...
    I have a Surly rear rack and an Epic Designs frame bag. I've never had a bike with either before, so I don't have much feedback. The Surly rack is pretty heavy and I do seem to notice that it's there when riding singletrack.

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    Jtek makes a shiftmate that supposedly works with Shimano 9 shifters, cassette and SRAM 1:1 Mtb derailleurs.
    http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate_straight.htm
    The following is an email chain with Jay Guthrie of JTek Engineering:

    Original Email:
    I would like to use a Shimano 9 speed bar end shifter with a mountain bike SRAM x.9 rear derailleur. Would the ShiftMate Straight model #6S be the correct item? I prefer to use the straight over the regular ShiftMate.

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    Yes, that's correct. The cable routing on the Straight version is better for the SRAM x9 rear derailleur.

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    Smile My New Fargo

    AT LONG LAST, my Fargo frame and fork arrived this week. After several long evenings in the labora-tree, I finally emerged yesterday in the waning daylight hours to reveal my newest Franken-creation.... BEHOLD, THE LAND BEAST...... IT LIVES!!!!

    <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3105921478_3fec1f3500.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo" /></a>

    <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/3105088433_02c49e5960.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Land Beast 2" /></a>

    See the full set of photos and build information at Flickr.com
    http://flickr.com/photos/16461051@N0...7611148254223/


    Now... to answer ATXSS's questions:

    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...) <b>YES, plus urban assault...</b>

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.) <b> Sorry, that is a silly question, and I refuse to answer it... To suggest that the Land Beast could possibly be confined to one over the other is utterly absurd....</b>

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:

    A. Which model bar you prefer. <b> Titec H-bar... haven't tried anything else, but can't imagine a better setup...</b>

    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference. <b> I subscribe to the "Grant Peterson philosophy", that suggests bar height should be at or above seat height for maximum comfort. My bar is close to seat height, but I am taking it one step further, adding a higher rise Thomson stem, resulting in a slightly shorter and higher reach. </b>

    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.
    <b> N/A... Hoods? We don't need no stinkin hoods... But I do spend about 10% of my time with hands resting on the bars over the hydraulic reservoirs (which I guess qualifies as my hoods, right???) </b>

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc... <b> Yet to be installed, but here is my diabolical plan: Tubus Logo - rear, Tubus Tara - front (with some necessary customization to the fender), and an Axiom Odysee disc rack, Franken-rigged as a front porteur rack, taking advantage of the mid-fork brazes.... Mbwaahaaahaa!!! </b>

    And please pardon the cynical answers, ATXSS.... I'm still giddy from finishing this build, and having way too much fun riding it!!!! Thanks, and Peace,

    MBB

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    And please pardon the cynical answers, ATXSS.... I'm still giddy from finishing this build, and having way too much fun riding it!!!! Thanks, and Peace,

    MBB
    No worries mate. That truly is a one-of-a-kind setup you've got there. I'm sure it suits you well. Enjoy it!

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    Ugh. I sooooo want one of these.

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    Does everything look OK?

    Hi, Sorry to take up so much space. I wanted to post my LBS proposed build for my Fargo (within my budget) to see if anybody thought anything should be tweaked?

    1.) 2008 XT FC-M770 170mm 44,32,22 crnkst w/bb OE
    2.) 2008 XT M771-SGS Top normal Rear Der OE
    3.) XT M771 Trad Dual-pull Multi clamp Front Der
    4.) XT M770 9spd 11-34t Cassette OE
    5.) SRAM PC971 9spd chain Silver/Gray
    6.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    7.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    8.) Tektro RL520 Ergo Rd Brk Levers Blk for LP brakes
    9.) D/ACE SL-BS77 9SP Bar End Shifters
    10.) Ft700c Deore XT M756, 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    11.) Rr700c Deore XT M756 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    12.) Cane Creek S-8 1-1/8" Blk threadless headset
    13.) Cane Creek Thudbuster ST 27.2x450mm 33mm travel
    14.) Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap 44cm 26.0 Anatomic BLK
    15.) Cinelli cork tape, blk, OE Pack
    16.) Salsa Thrdlss SUL 26.0 110mm 90d CroMoto Stem
    17.) Included Road brake cable set for DreamCycle
    18.) Included Road Deraillure cable set for DreamCycle
    19.) WTB Speed V ProGel Saddle Black Steel
    20.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    21.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    22.) Bike Build Shop Supplies
    23.) New Custom Reusable Bike
    24.) BikeBuilder Comp Level Assembly Labor
    25.) Jag Slick Stainless Der Wire 3100 mm Shimano Head
    26.) Jag Slick Stainless Brk Wire 2750mm Shimano Road
    27.) Salsa 09 Fargo Frameset, Medium (575tt)
    28.) Q 29" x 1.9-2.3" 32mm PV tube

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Hi, Sorry to take up so much space. I wanted to post my LBS proposed build for my Fargo (within my budget) to see if anybody thought anything should be tweaked?

    1.) 2008 XT FC-M770 170mm 44,32,22 crnkst w/bb OE
    2.) 2008 XT M771-SGS Top normal Rear Der OE
    3.) XT M771 Trad Dual-pull Multi clamp Front Der
    4.) XT M770 9spd 11-34t Cassette OE
    5.) SRAM PC971 9spd chain Silver/Gray
    6.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    7.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    8.) Tektro RL520 Ergo Rd Brk Levers Blk for LP brakes
    9.) D/ACE SL-BS77 9SP Bar End Shifters
    10.) Ft700c Deore XT M756, 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    11.) Rr700c Deore XT M756 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    12.) Cane Creek S-8 1-1/8" Blk threadless headset
    13.) Cane Creek Thudbuster ST 27.2x450mm 33mm travel
    14.) Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap 44cm 26.0 Anatomic BLK
    15.) Cinelli cork tape, blk, OE Pack
    16.) Salsa Thrdlss SUL 26.0 110mm 90d CroMoto Stem
    17.) Included Road brake cable set for DreamCycle
    18.) Included Road Deraillure cable set for DreamCycle
    19.) WTB Speed V ProGel Saddle Black Steel
    20.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    21.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    22.) Bike Build Shop Supplies
    23.) New Custom Reusable Bike
    24.) BikeBuilder Comp Level Assembly Labor
    25.) Jag Slick Stainless Der Wire 3100 mm Shimano Head
    26.) Jag Slick Stainless Brk Wire 2750mm Shimano Road
    27.) Salsa 09 Fargo Frameset, Medium (575tt)
    28.) Q 29" x 1.9-2.3" 32mm PV tube

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
    The only question I would ask is about the Rims and Bars you have selected. The velocity blunts used to (still have?) a reputation for being a little soft and possibly slightly undersized, leading to tire mounting problems and flexiness. I would look at the Salsa Semi or possibly a DT Swiss rim instead of the velocities personally.

    The bars are a personal choice, but they have a fairly deep drop which might require a pretty high stem and/or spacer setup to accomodate. A more flared choice like the Origin 8 or On*One Midge would be a little shallower drop, but you lose a nice, wide hood position, so there's a compromise there too.

    Your build as posted should make for a nice ride..

    My medium frameset just showed up yesterday and I'll be getting it together over the next couple of days. Mine will be more of a mish-mash build, 2x9, etc. Probably the origin 8 bars with STI, XTR rear, Coda 2x crankset, 29/42 rings and a DT Swiss wheelset. Still need a front derailleur and probably a new chain for the setup...

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    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)

    So far I have used mine for commuting, exploring urban areas, gravel rides, and single track rides. Bikepacking/touring is on the agenda for 2009.

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)

    So far I would estimate it at one third off road, one third paved, and one third gravel/dirt road.

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer. Midge Bar
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference. I have the drop section at three inches below the nose of the saddle. I primarily use the drop section.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup. Again, a proper off road drop set up is one where you will use the drops at least 80% of the time. The rest of that is split up between the hoods and the top of the bar next to the stem.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc... I will be using some sort of off the shelf cromoly rear rack and a custom designed steel front rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    ..................

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
    Hey! You are very welcome. No worries on the e-mails. I was glad I could help out.

    As for the fat bike, probably some day it will happen. They look like waaay too much fun to not give it a try at some point.
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    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup. Again, a proper off road drop set up is one where you will use the drops at least 80% of the time. The rest of that is split up between the hoods and the top of the bar next to the stem.
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    Thanks for the feedback Ted. I'm familiar with a typical dirt drop setup. That is what has me so curious why most of the Fargo owners I've seen online so far have stuck with the Salsa Bell Lap bars. It looks like most folks are setting them up high enough for off road riding and I'm wondering how usable the hoods are for most folks in this position because it seems to me like the would be too high for a usable position.

    I guess I'm curious why people aren't either 1. lowering the bell laps for a more standard "cyclocross" position or 2. switching to dedicated dirt drops (WTB, on-one, etc...) with the bars so high.

    Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing and people are just running what the bike shipped with at this point until we all figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.
    I would dearly love to do just that. It all depends upon how fit I come out of the winter.

    Gnat has mentioned to me that this is on his radar, but I can't speak for him. I hope he gives it a whirl. I know he'd love it.

    I'll probably sign up regardless. If it all pans out, I would have to bring the Fargo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Thanks for the feedback Ted. I'm familiar with a typical dirt drop setup. That is what has me so curious why most of the Fargo owners I've seen online so far have stuck with the Salsa Bell Lap bars. It looks like most folks are setting them up high enough for off road riding and I'm wondering how usable the hoods are for most folks in this position because it seems to me like the would be too high for a usable position.

    I guess I'm curious why people aren't either 1. lowering the bell laps for a more standard "cyclocross" position or 2. switching to dedicated dirt drops (WTB, on-one, etc...) with the bars so high.

    Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing and people are just running what the bike shipped with at this point until we all figure it out.
    Well, at the risk of offending some folks, I think it is uncharted territory for many. Off road drop bar stuff is not a known quantity for many folks. (You should see all the searches on my blog for "offroad drop bar" or "mtb drop bars"!) Most folks don't have a clue where to start, so I suppose the Bell Lap looks as good as anything to them. Also, don't discount the fact that Salsa spec'ed it, and many will just see that as a validation of that bar without questioning it.

    As for the "hoods being too high" on the Bell Lap, that is an astute observation. It is "useable" as a position, but if the drops are up where you can use those for most off roading, the hoods on a Bell Lap make you feel like you are using "ape hangars". (Well, maybe not quite that dramatic!)

    There is a rumor afoot that says Salsa is taking care of this issue by developing a new bar for the Fargo.

    I rode the Bell Laps for a little bit off road and they were fine for that. Actually, I rather liked them. However; the drop was too deep and at the height I had them at, there was a stack-o-spacers on that fork that was a bit unsightly. If you have noticed, I switched out to a Midge Bar pretty soon after I got the Fargo. Much better! Got rid of about two inches worth of spacers with that change alone!

    Anyway, I hope that Salsa comes through with their own off road drop because I think there is much room for improvement in the breed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    There is a rumor afoot that says Salsa is taking care of this issue by developing a new bar for the Fargo.
    TED! Tell us everything you know! Nobody is more devoted to dirt drops than me. I must know all.

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    DK 200 in 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.
    Well.....I do have DK on my radar for next year. This is on my list as a test to see if I think my engine tuning is on pace for something bigger. I will likely be riding my Fargo in "pack" mode.

    If the timing works out with my family & job, I will be coming down.

    Oh...And to ATSX's question, I ride mine everywhere and I use Bell Laps. My hoods are just above the seat level, I used a double wrap of tape. I don't like Midges and other funky bars because I like having a position to rest my hands on long rides. On funky bars, that position is essentially useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    The only question I would ask is about the Rims and Bars you have selected. The velocity blunts used to (still have?) a reputation for being a little soft and possibly slightly undersized, leading to tire mounting problems and flexiness. I would look at the Salsa Semi or possibly a DT Swiss rim instead of the velocities personally.


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    Are Semi's available now? Should I be considering Gordo's. I would also like to hear more about a possible Fargo specific drops. I am a master of indecision.
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    I would think that Nitto Randonneur bars would be a good choice for a Fargo.
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    Semi's & Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Are Semi's available now? Should I be considering Gordo's. I would also like to hear more about a possible Fargo specific drops. I am a master of indecision.
    Yes, Semi's are available. As far as a rumored Salsa Fargo Specific Drop bar, I can assure you that I am riding Bell Laps. I also assure you if there was a Fargo specific bar I'd be riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    ........ On funky bars, that position is essentially useless.

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    On this point I will have to be a voice of dissent. The hoods, and bar tops for that matter, are totally useable. I have several hand positions besides the drops that are great places to rest the hands during rides.

    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends? Yeah...................so all of this discussion of drop bars for off roading being limited in hand positions has to be taken with a huge grain o salt.

    The basic deal with drops for off roading is that the hands, wrists, and fore arms are aligned in a unique way in comparison to how we ride on flats and risers. This is the "why" of drop bars. If you get that, the rest starts to fall into place.

    The drop part of the bar is where the benefits begin. The extra hand positions are a bonus over flats and risers. Whether you choose to use them is entirely up to each individual and is determined somewhat by the initial set up of the drop bar.

    Specifically to Bell Laps: The drop section is a further distance away from the bar tops than it is on Midge's and Gary bars. The WTB bars are slightly less deep. Having a minimal differential between the drop section and the bar top is better for set up and use off road. It makes using all the available positions easier and more attractive. This is where I feel the Bell Lap has issues.

    If indeed Salsa Cycles is coming out with a Fargo compatible bar, I would expect that it would be like the Midge in as far as the drop to top measurement goes and that the drop extensions would accomodate more than one hand position. (ie: LONGER!) Also, a bit more sweep would be nice in the drop section, like the original WTB bars. Make 'em in different widths too. Nobody is doing that.

    Okay, that's part of my "laundry list" for a Salsa off road drop bar. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on a bar like this to materialize sooner than later.
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    Easy there soldier

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends?
    Exactly - That is why I'm not going to use a flat bar to ride hundreds of miles of Fargo Adventuring. My Fargo with Bell Lap works better for me. For me the Bell Laps have several positions that I personally find useless on the Midges. Glad you like and use the extra Midge positions 'cuz that is what matters.

    GT - Remember that you gave me a set of Midges that I in fact rode and liked when riding off road only. I thought they worked great for that. Beyond that, I found them only useful in one position for my Fargoing Adventures which is why I find them limiting and "useless" for me. Not saying they aren't a good product because they clearly are. Just not right for me and how I'm riding my Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    Exactly - That is why I'm not going to use a flat bar to ride hundreds of miles of Fargo Adventuring. My Fargo with Bell Lap works better for me. For me the Bell Laps have several positions that I personally find useless on the Midges. Glad you like and use the extra Midge positions 'cuz that is what matters.

    GT - Remember that you gave me a set of Midges that I in fact rode and liked when riding off road only. I thought they worked great for that. Beyond that, I found them only useful in one position for my Fargoing Adventures which is why I find them limiting and "useless" for me. Not saying they aren't a good product because they clearly are. Just not right for me and how I'm riding my Fargo.

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    Yep! And thanks for getting those back to me, by the way!

    I understand what you meant, but the way you wrote it looked like a wholesale rejection of the Midge/Gary/WTB bars for anything other than one position in other readers eyes, to my thinking. So I threw my two cents in offa my soap box.

    I'm okay and the soap box has been put away or now..........
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    Regarding the back and forth on bar setup: I think what we've got going on is really 2 schools of thought on what this bike is for. This is why I was hoping people will chime in with their bar setup and qualify it with what they are using the bike for.

    You've got the touring/utilitarian crowd (Gnat) looking at a ton of paved or dirt road miles vs. technical singletrack miles. I'm guessing the Bell lap works well setup with the hoods and seat nearly level. Think: Occaisonally-off-road-capable Long Haul Trucker.

    And you've got the dirt drop MTB crowd (GoKartMozart, GTed) who see this as the closest thing to the first available production dirt drop mountain bike. The shortened top tubes and tall headtube is what make this bike appealing. These guys are logging a greater percentage of trail miles and obviously want a traditional dirt drop setup (Midge, much higher relative to the seat.) Think: Drop specific Karate Monkey.

    I'm thinking I'll be somewhere in between. Commuting, not touring but getting some singletrack trail time in during the commute. So I'm sort of split down the middle on what will be best. Easy enough to try both bar types and figure out what is best for me personally.


    ...at least until the Fargo specific Bargo comes out to end all arguments...so, when is the ship date on that?

    Sorry J. Just wanted to fan the flames a bit more on that one for my own enjoyment.

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    ATXSS: Uhhh......not so much on your analysis. I happen to know Gnat sees this as a single track machine, and does use it in that way quite a bit. (Not to say he doesn't think it couldn't be used everywhere, that's the whole point of the Fargo. )

    I also do a fair amount of commuting and gravel road riding on Midge and Gary bar equipped bikes and plan on doing the same on the Fargo. In fact, I just got back from an urban snow ride.

    You are going to see lots of people using this bike in lots of ways that we haven't even imagined yet. Bars? Pffft! Big deal. The point is to go for a long ride on the Fargo, on whatever terrain, and have fun doing it.

    I am anxious to see what some folks come up with here actually, and where they ride these rigs. I'm betting it will blow our collective minds. montclairbobbyb's bike is just the tip of that iceberg, methinks.
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    Yeah!

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    Well there you go. I'll step back from over analyzing on this thread now and simply ask for more pictures!

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    From today's snow ride. Bombed around the snow covered city streets at 7 degrees F. Tubeless Geax Saguaros are nice on snow, by the way.
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    All Rounder

    In my brain I like to think of this bike as the modern day (technologically) Bridgestone XO-1 or Rivendell All Rounder. Both bikes I have an affinity for.
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    That is one sweet old school ride. Funny how the color so closely resembles that of the LaCruz. I wonder if the rider wished for some squish on that trail? Nevermind... I guess it's retro anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    In my brain I like to think of this bike as the modern day (technologically) Bridgestone XO-1 or Rivendell All Rounder. Both bikes I have an affinity for.
    Well, I like that sort of cool style too, but I think it is epitomized by this modern incarnation...



    Rawlands take 700c/29"er rubber too, so you could have that bike today.

    To me the Fargo is a more "heavy duty" version of something like that that is specifically designed for 29"er wheels.

    Both types of bikes are super cool in their own rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends?
    Without bar ends, on my current setup, I use three. If I had bar ends, four. Must be all of the road riding I've done in the past, and the time spend on the LHT this summer. That being said, I'm going to give the Midge a shot on my KM here in the next few weeks and see how I think it will feel for TI and DK (assuming I get in). If I manage to make the lottery for Leadville, then I'll have some decisions to make after the month of May is over.

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    So - just wondering - has anyone set up a Fargo with H-bars yet?
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    Smile Fargo with H-bars

    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    So - just wondering - has anyone set up a Fargo with H-bars yet?
    Scott: See Page 2 of this forum -
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    You ought to own one of these...

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    Very cool - missed that! Been following the thread off and on, but somehow skipped that (that's what I get for sporadically following the links that come in the e-mail notices). I just put a set of the "J-bars" (Flat Titec H-Bar with 31.8 clamp size) on my XXIX a few rides ago. Been playing with position - raised the stem height and length a bit with a Salsa SUL stem (120mm x 40d rise) and it feels pretty perfect. Didn't think I'd want it that high, but for standing and climbing the other stems were a bit low (105 x 10d with an extra 5mm spacer) Hopefully I will be able to ride it for an hour or so tomorrow and verify that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Didn't think I'd want it that high, but for standing and climbing the other stems were a bit low (105 x 10d with an extra 5mm spacer)
    Scott:

    The Fargo was designed for drop bars, as you can see with the frame's geometry and headtube length. I just swapped out the stem in the pic (5 degree, 120mm) with a 15 degree, 110mm stem, which so far feels about right.

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    Fargo with Racks and Lights

    Now my Fargo is beginning to look more like an expedition touring bike...

    Tubus Logo (rear); Axiom Odyssee (front, with custom fork crown mounting bracket). Light is a 3-LED homebuilt, with custom circuit board (in white tube) to be compatible with the Schmidt hub. More pics on Flickr.com http://flickr.com/photos/16461051@N0...7611148254223/


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    Montclairbob,

    How are you liking the riding position of your Fargo with H-bars? Are you going to stick with it or migrate to drop bars?

    I'm considering the same setup but with Shimano dual control shift/brake levers. Do you think that would work well?

    I know I'll never be able to test ride such a setup beforehand so if anyone has opinions on how that would work (2 questions really: 1) fargo w/ h-bars, is that a good setup?; 2) same plus shim dual control?) I'd be much obliged.

    BTW, your ride looks sweet.

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    H-bars and dualies for Fargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vikingfan
    How are you liking the riding position of your Fargo with H-bars? Are you going to stick with it or migrate to drop bars?
    I LOVE my setup... especially since I can run hydraulic disc brakes (which to me was the main reason for these bars. I never really took to drop bars. I generally ride riser mountain bars, and have tried Mary's, All-rounder, Sparrows, etc... the H-bar is the best bar yet (for the all-round on/off road kind of riding I'll do on the Fargo)... These bars are so comfortable and versatile, I even rode them in a skatepark (on a whim) last week with a few of my buddies who were skating and BMXing, where I shot some video footage (see below link). There's a segment of me on the Fargo...first time in a bowl on a bike and I was instantly and completely comfortable... plus all the helmet-cam chase footage was shot by me on the Fargo... THIS BIKE ROCKS, and these bars are the BOMB!!!

    Check it out: (shots of the Fargo are at 1:40 of the video)

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_7jP2zie_74&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_7jP2zie_74&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    As far as the dualies, I don't see why they wouldn't work great on the h-bars... In fact, look at my freaky setup. I say GO FOR IT!!! Good luck... you'll enjoy this ride.... I hope others will try out the h-bars....

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    Almost Finished

    Here it is:
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    Just got to stick on the front nice rack and swap out pedals
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    Will the Fargo take a suspension fork?

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    Any one get out for an adventure this week? Give me some new photos to look at! Share the love with the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Any one get out for an adventure this week? Give me some new photos to look at! Share the love with the rest of us.
    Up north we are still dreaming of all the great Fargo adventures to come and riding Fargo's winter cousin...
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    Smile Pugsley (like his Adams Family namesake)...way underrated

    That's it.... I MUST own a PUGS.... It just looks like way too much fun... almost as if it would laugh and talk to you as you ride it... The Fargo fills the void for now, (and I often talk to it as I ride around the neighborhood, which sends the moms scurrying for their kids)..."That crazy man, Mr Birmingham is out talking to his ugly green bike again"....

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    Nice rack modifications

    Hi,

    I just wanted to attach some pics of the Fargo with a front Surly nice rack. The front Nice rack is incompatible with mounting water bottle holders directly to the fork. My LBS created their own water bottle mount directly on the rack. I apologize for the photo quality. The mods are simple enough and the end result still came out great.
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    Sorry

    Sorry about the giant photos. This picture thing is still new to me.

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    Nice bike, Is that a complete bike from Salsa or a shop build?

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    Very nice! Makes me really really really want one.

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    Nice Rack, but...

    The water bottle position looks like it would prevent you from running low-rider panniers. If you're not running lowriders, then it's not a problem. Still, I hope your LBS didn't charge you more than the cost of the hardware for their (ahem) "innovative" design...

    Great build, BTW, and awesome rack...

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    Love the build. Can't wait to start my Fargo build...

    I see that your front fender is cut "short" of the front rack...

    Is that because it wouldn't fit between the rack and the tyre? (or just a personal preference thing?)

    Elvis.

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    I guess I should lay out my planned build too. (keeping in mind that this bike is really going to be used most of the time as my super commuter).

    wheels
    Schmidt front dynamo hub
    Supernova E3 triple front light
    Rohloff rear hub
    DT Swiss TK7.1d rims (mmmm double eyeletted goodness)
    DT Swiss Competition black spokes
    DT Swiss Pro Lock nipples (brass)
    Schwalbe Marathon plus 700 x 45 tyres (or Big Apples)

    cockpit
    Syncros FL stem
    Salsa Pro Moto 11 degree flat bar
    1996 generation Control Tech Team Issue bar ends (green anno')
    Oury glow in the dark grips (on both the bars and the bar ends)
    Salsa seatpost
    SDG Gran Prix saddle (cro-mo rails)

    Race Face Evolve cranks
    Crank Brothers Mallet 2 pedals
    Surly Nice Racks front and rear
    Full fenders
    lots of Salsa bottle cages
    lots of rear flashing lights (my commute usually starts at 3.30am)
    oh yeh... and one of those external BB eccentric BB adapter things... (I hate tensioners)

    did I miss anything?

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    Fargo Build

    Nice build, Elvis! I'm considering building up an internal hub wheel for my Fargo... probably a Shimano Alfine... I will need to work out the tension thing with the Forward Components EBB adapter and a half-link... that should do it... I have the Schmidt hub and it's a miniature engineering marvel...

    That's a pricey config.... no wonder you had no money leftover for brakes...

    I use Shimano hydraulic brakes, and love em!!!

    Good luck... send pics, please when you're build is done....
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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    That's a pricey config.... no wonder you had no money leftover for brakes...
    ya got me.

    Hayes Stroker brakes. I'm running Stroker trails on most bikes now. (Stroker Carbons on the Mojo).

    But I'm seriously considering the Stroker Ace for the Fargo. The weight difference is so minimal (60g per end).

    check the light! www.supernova-lights.com/newsite/e3_triple.html

    and one of these on the rear! http://www.supernova-lights.com/news...ail_light.html

    and the beam patten! http://www.supernova-lights.com/news...omparison.html

    as soon as I read the line "Depending on the alignment it can be extremely blinding"... I was sold. So it could blind car drivers huh?... gimme gimme...

    Elvis.

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    Couple quick answers

    To Black Cross: Thank You. It is a shop build but pretty much the same as the complete.

    Captain Bob: I'm really wanting a Selma like yours! Hope your arm is feeling better.

    Montclairbobbyb: Your correct about running low rider panniers but it won't be an
    issue for me. My shop didn't charge me a dime for hardware or
    installation of the rack. They are a great shop.

    http://www.oldspokeshome.com/

    Elvis: Cut for fit. I'm looking forward to pics of your build. Sounds awesome!

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    Fat and Hairy. Thanks. Hope it heels soon. Selma? Wish I had one. I guess they will be available soon. Can't wait.

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