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    I've had a Gen I steel Fargo since mid 2010 and it is the bike I love and use all the time. Nevertheless, having ridden Gen II steel Fargo, I must say there is something lazy and slow about Gen I. Gen II seems to be a quicker, better accelerating, faster bicycle even in its steel version. On the other hand Gen I seems to be a better bike for loaded touring with more water bottle mounts, more space in the frame, with a fork better suited for fenders etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0pcat View Post
    Was wondering if someone that has ridden a ti fargo and a steel 1 could tell me their opinion of the ride differences if any. Thanks
    I previously owned a steel frame and upgraded to the Ti version. The Ti frame is even more compliant, dampening a lot of vibes and chatter. It's very responsive and lively feeling, I noticed this almost immediately. It seems to have a more poppy feeling on the single track. The steel version had all these qualities and the Ti version took them further. The rear triangle may have more flex. I can't really say 100% since I went to a stronger and stiffer wheelset. FWIW tires and pressure are all the same.

    It would be interesting to hear from someone who has done some loaded riding and see their opinion.
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    2013 Frame availability?

    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

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    When I tried to buy a small Fargo 3 from my local shop before Christmas I was told March for bikes and sometime in the fall for frames. Check with Bikeman.com, that's where I ended up getting the bike for my daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

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    I'm really getting tired of this. I've been told by my LBS "The end of this month, for sure!" since September. "The end of October!" "Okay, the end of November absolutely!" "End of the year without fail!" I wish Salsa would simply tell us when to plan for the bloody stupid bikes. It's putting my loyalty to a severe test.

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    Was looking forward to putting my Fargo to use this winter. Had knee surgery on Wed. so now I am dreaming of putting my Fargo to use this Spring! Did get to ride it enough to make a few changes and fine tune it.
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    To those of you riding 2013 Fargo 2s: any issues with those SRAM cranks? It seemed like there were many problems with the 2011/2012 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlish View Post
    To those of you riding 2013 Fargo 2s: any issues with those SRAM cranks? It seemed like there were many problems with the 2011/2012 bikes.
    I have a variant of the crank that's spec'd on the '13. It's way better than the FSA in regards to shifting smoother. I didn't really care for the design of the FSA crank, and the 3 bolt chainring sucks when it comes to shopping for new or different gearing options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

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    Bikeman seems to have them. Try phoning first before you order. I got mine there and thought their service postage prices and delivery time were all very good.

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    I've been thinking of swapping my gen1 frame for a ti frame... Now it thinking of just doing a gen2 swap.
    I've also ridden the gen2 and noticed it seemed "quicker" but not sure it'd be that big of a difference vs going with the ti frame.


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    Dear rallyrcr and all other gen1 Fargo owners, I'll just put this out there again: I am after a lightly used gen1 Fargo medium frame or complete. Thank you,
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    Hi Gang,

    Been lurking for a while, I believe this is my first post on MTBr.
    I received my 2013 Fargo Ti frame a few weeks back and built it up with a mix of old/new parts from another bike. I am absolutely in love with this bike and have started using it for my daily commuter.

    My current build:
    2013 Salsa Fargo Ti, Large
    Fargo V2 fork
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    Jones Ti H-loop bar
    Conti Race King 2.2
    X-Fusion Hilo Seatpost
    Brooks B17

    I have been playing with different stems before I order my new Ritchey Trail.

    I will be holding on to the stock fork for more loaded trips, but most of my trips can be done without the extra capacity and so I am looking to upgrade/drop some weight.

    I have my eyes set on:
    -White Brothers 29er Rock Solid
    -Whisky Parts Co. No.7
    -Ritchey WCS Carbon

    I would actually REALLY like to have the Ritchey fork, but the non-tapered carbon steerer makes me uneasy. I have browsed through this thread and haven't seen much variety in forks other than stock. Anybody have any other thoughts, opinions on carbon forks for the Fargo?

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    I think the standard fork is worth at least trying for a while. If a light full carbon fork makes you feel uneasy, a fork that is strong like the OnOne carbon fork is only 200g lighter. After all, we are talking about a bike with wire beaded 50mm touring tyres, mud guards and a rack, etc if you are commuting on it.

    Good luck either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    After all, we are talking about a bike with wire beaded 50mm touring tyres, mud guards and a rack, etc if you are commuting on it.
    Good luck either way.
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
    The Fargo is eyeletted and nutserted for racks front and rear because it is designed to have a rack front and rear if you want them. However, I realise that that doesn't discount the option of not having them.

    All I was doing was pointing out the that a strong carbon fork was only 200g lighter. If that is important to you or you are willing to use a fork that in your own words makes you feel uneasy, that's your call.
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    2012 2 vs. 2013 2?

    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....

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    Gearing Questions

    OK, I'll admit I know very little about gearing...been trying to read up on it, etc. How low a gear do you need for loaded hill climbing, blah blah...

    From what I can gather on the spec sheets...
    2012 Fargo 2
    Crankset 27/39T
    Cassette 12-36t

    2013 Fargo 2
    Crankset 28/42T
    Cassette 11-36t

    If this is correct, the 2013 model would have a considerably wider spread. Or am I over-analyzing the gear spread?

    I realize a stronger rider, carrying less weight, etc., etc., can 'get by' with a different range of gears than someone else. Just wondering if the difference in gearing would even be a consideration in purchasing a 2012 vs a 2013.

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    Earlier I said that I was after a lightly used Gen1 Fagro medium frame or complete. I should of said that ideally I am after a brand new in the box Gen1 Fargo medium frame or complete. Just wanted to add that. Does anyone know where I can find one? Thanks, Shannon.

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    NDTransplant, everyone will have a different view on gearing depending on their fitness, location and loading. Personally, I couldn't use either of those where I live, so a complete Fargo was not going to happen.

    This would be my only gripe with the complete Fargo models. The gearing is not comensurate with the intended use of the bike. Not even close for me. Not slow enough - not fast enough.

    If it bothers you, the cheapest alternative is to buy a model with bar end shifters and change to a triple crank. The friction shifter will just keep on throwing the front derailleur. Then there is what was my only option because there are no Fargos in Australia and the complete bike shipping was too high. That is a custom build up, which doesn't have to be that dear if you are patient and prudent.

    I hope your Fargo dream comes true. I really love mine - it's the full barge option. Check it out: My Fargo Build

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    All I was doing was pointing out the that a strong carbon fork was only 200g lighter. If that is important to you or you are willing to use a fork that in your own words makes you feel uneasy, that's your call.
    Of the 3 forks I was asking about, even the heaviest one is 400 grams lighter than the stock Fargo v2 fork and the lightest is over 500 grams lighter! If you happen to have experience with any of the forks I listed, I would gladly take your feedback in to consideration. I personally have no experience with them, and so, I came here to ask.

    Thanks? for your replies.

    I noticed in Ride the Divide (5/5*s) and Reveal the Path (2/5*s) that many are riding Fargo/El Mar with rigid carbon forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    OK, I'll admit I know very little about gearing...been trying to read up on it, etc. How low a gear do you need for loaded hill climbing, blah blah...
    This is really only something you can answer.
    Personally, I will sacrifice high gears for low gears - I don't mind spinning out at 26 mph because that likely means I am going downhill anyway; but I'll be damned if I am going to walk up a hill when I can ride!

    That being said, on my Surly LHT 26in with 22x36 low gearing and 18lbs of gear, I have found that I have to walk up anything over 19% while my usual touring partner has a mountain tamer 4th chainring (16x34) and can ride up 24% grades.

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    Wow that is some low gearing on your buddy's bike, nasty grandma!!

    Thanks for the response.

    Enjoyed reading your build, MagicCarpet. Lot of thought went into your build, I can see that!

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    Anyone have an XL Gen2 Fargo (preferably in cream scheme) they want to get rid of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
    Careful with those Race Kings - I swear those sidewall are made of tissue paper..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiploder View Post
    Careful with those Race Kings - I swear those sidewall are made of tissue paper..........
    Is that seriously an issue? I work in a mountain-heavy shop and haven't seen any sidewall issues with the Race Kings (not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it). The lack-of failure with the Race Kings is actually why I chose them. My second choice is the Kenda 24seven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    Is that seriously an issue? I work in a mountain-heavy shop and haven't seen any sidewall issues with the Race Kings (not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it). The lack-of failure with the Race Kings is actually why I chose them. My second choice is the Kenda 24seven.
    It was an issue for me. They came stock on my Fargo and I immediately swapped them out due to prior experiences with them.

    I had them on my five spot and tore the sidewalls on a rocky section of a trail I usually ride 2x a week. Never had a problem before and haven't had one since.....

    Don't know if it has been an issue with anyone else.....
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    just picked mine up today....cant wait to explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
    I cant speak to the Stans rims or SRAM crank, but I did just build up custom wheels and add a wider range cassette to my Gen2. I was having an issue with the front wheel coming out of true and I have wished for higher AND lower gears. IMO the 2013 spec looks closer to what I would build up if I was starting with just a frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
    I have a 2012, so I can't comment to the 2013 stuff. Anyway, for me:

    1. The DT wheels are very durable. My commute is on mixed terrain - mostly pavement, with some singletrack and gravel thrown in. I carry probably 10lb of stuff with me, between the big Ortlieb panniers, my work stuff, a change of clothes, and a bike lock. So the bike is heavy. I've also had some light crashes on the bike, no problems there either. After my 200 mile checkup, the wheels have stayed completely true.

    2. The FSA Comet on mine is terrible. Mine isn't even totally straight. The front shifting on this bike took me a long time, and some fully sealed Gore cables, to get right. And I still have to kind of nurse it along. Fortunately, I find I don't have to change rings all that often. For me it's basically small ring for singletrack, big ring everywhere else. The crank is something I've thought about upgrading, but I haven't bothered with it yet. Other places to spend money.

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    First ride at last!

    30 mile loop to the coast to get away from all the snow inland!.....I'm going to enjoy this bike.

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    1. My Fargo 2 had issues with the wheels staying true, I had loose spokes in the first 250 miles. I finally bent one and ended up just getting some Stan's Flow that were on closeout.

    2. Comet crank was annoying. Never shifted great and different chain-rings was on par with buying a new crank. I picked up a SRAM X9 crankset and it was night and day in shifting. The new Fargo's don't have Apex cranks, they are pretty much X5 cranks but called S1000.

    If you like the '13 color scheme pick that up, if you like the '12 color scheme then go that route. Either way down the road you will want to make some changes. For me 175mm cranks are long, I ride 170mm...so either way with a medium I would end up changing the cranks.

    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
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    2013 Ti Fargo

    Just built up this Ti Fargo for a customer of the shop where I work. It's going on Tour Divide this summer with him.
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    What are people using for fiction shifters? I gave up on the flat bars. While installing the wood-chipper (25.6?) bars I realized I have not had drop bars since I was 15. My Power thumb shifters did not fit on the bars. I don't want bar end shifters because they break in crash. Yes, I tip over occasionally. Mostly when I am 2 days walk from a town. Trigger shifters are out. What if I need to buy a 7 speed cassette in a village somewhere. I expect there is a way to use old fashioned friction shifters on drop bars. I just don't know what it is. If somebody has full instructions on brake position, bar height, bar position, I would appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Just built up this Ti Fargo for a customer of the shop where I work. It's going on Tour Divide this summer with him.
    WOW! Just..... WOW!
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    That is definitely one of the nicest Fargos I've seen... Well done!

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    The Salsa Fargo Thread-imageuploadedbytapatalk1359229267.914279.jpg

    Here is mine!

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    Pic of my Fargo in mid-December, everything is pretty much stock at this point.
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    After a lightly used gen 1 Fargo medium.

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    Do you guys think the Flow EX rims are overkill for a Fargo if it will be mostly used for gravel grinding? I'm torn between the Flows or something lighter like the Crests/Arch rims.

    I'm around 180 pounds or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Do you guys think the Flow EX rims are overkill for a Fargo if it will be mostly used for gravel grinding? I'm torn between the Flows or something lighter like the Crests/Arch rims.

    I'm around 180 pounds or so.

    Yes. Go with the Crest if you are sticking to gravel. Go with the Arch if you want to hit a trail now and then.

    I would only modify that suggestion if (a) you are going to use the bike for bikepacking or (b) have a lot of fast, hard cornering in your future. If that was the case, I may lean more toward the Arches.
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    Everyone has their own personal threshold where a rim is just too much. I would have been a Flow rider for life, but can not understand why a manufacturer cans such a great rim. It just doesn't make sense to me and personally the Flow EX is too much rim for me.

    My off road Fargo wheel set has WTB Frequency i23 rims and after a short test ride I can not dislodge standard folding Geax Saguaros mounted tubeless - even though I tried. That's my personal measure of success, so I have found my new rim of choice at a fraction of the cost.

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    I'm running 36 spoke flows. Bike still only weighs 26 lbs as shown above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkaber View Post
    I'm running 36 spoke flows. Bike still only weighs 26 lbs as shown above.
    Specs please. That sounds pretty good for a Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluechip View Post
    Specs please. That sounds pretty good for a Fargo.
    Stock medium Fargo 2...except for:
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    Wheels: King hubs, 36h Flows, DT 14/15 spokes w/ pro lock nipples, 2.0 Crow tires tubeless
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    Everyone has their own personal threshold where a rim is just too much. I would have been a Flow rider for life, but can not understand why a manufacturer cans such a great rim. It just doesn't make sense to me and personally the Flow EX is too much rim for me.

    My off road Fargo wheel set has WTB Frequency i23 rims and after a short test ride I can not dislodge standard folding Geax Saguaros mounted tubeless - even though I tried. That's my personal measure of success, so I have found my new rim of choice at a fraction of the cost.
    I have the i23 rims on my Satori I just finished building up...they are nice rims for sure. Buit up super easy. Curious about your comment on the new Stan's...you think they are too wide now?

    EDIT: Just looked up the Pacenti TL28 rim and it looks perfect for the job. Wide and light and would hold up well to gravel/bike packing I assume? Anyone running these on a Fargo?
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    Went with wife yesterday to pick her new (2011 closeout) Fargo 3. She's having a bit of trouble getting past the color, and would have preferred a 2012 in cream or a 2013 in either blue or brown...but the deal we got on the bike makes up for it.

    Boxes o' farkle inbound. Bike is now in the basement, stripped down as far as it can be without pulling the cranks and cables. Waiting for the application of Boeshield to set up then I'll reinstall everything.

    My 2012 was built up from scratch and I cut the steerer tube to allow mounting two stems - one to hold the bars and another to hold a short piece of tubing which holds a front bag mount. I'm going to bump up the diameter of the tube to 31.8mm and build a dynamo-powered USB charger/light controller inside it. I lucked out in finding a NOS 2011 Fargo fork on eBay; the steerer tube is uncut and it'll be set up to accomodate a similar bag arrangement on her bike.

    If I could post a pic of my Fargo at this point I wouldn't...last weekend's dance through the muddy, icy trails got it thoroughly splotched with gunk.

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    What is boeshield and what do you apply it too

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