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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorshanks View Post
    Does anyone have an experience with the Salsa Cowchipper bars over the Woodchipper?

    I intended the Fargo to be my all-around second bike to use bikepacking, commuting, trailering around the kids, and for mountain biking when my local trails that are getting a little boring on my full suspension.

    I'm 5'11" on a 2017 medium Fargo. When in the drops, I feel a little too much leaned over like the bars are too low, even though the handlebars are at the top of my spacer stack. My bars are currently set up so riding on the hoods is pretty comfortable, but hard to reach the levers in the drops. I could move the hoods lower, but then I'm afraid I would be limited to the "too-low" drop position all the time. I find this position tiring for long rides.

    I know the Cowchippers will solve the problem of having a useable lever position in hoods and the drops, but will they put me in an even lower position on the bike since they have a bit more drop? Or will the tighter radius of the Cowchippers improve my position?

    I may also try a higher rise stem, but for now I'm wondering if different bars might solve both problems (lever reach in hoods/drops and getting a more upright position.)
    I've ridden a lot with both those bars. Your worries are spot on with the Woodchipper and it is why I really do not like that bar.

    The Cowchipper solves all those issues. Yes, it has a bit deeper drop, but as you say, a stem swap can get you in a "drop" position that works better, if you need that. I did not.

    Personally, I feel the Cowchipper is a far superior drop bar. The Woodchipper was a bar that wasn't right out of the box and no amount of futzing with rotating it, stems, or spacer gymnastics could fix that for me. It is an inferior design and many bikes I see it on have compromised either the hoods position or drops position so much the rider doesn't use the one position that has been compromised at all.

    That said, there are many that are in love with Woodchippers. That's why Salsa has both bars. I get it. It is just my opinion that the Woodchipper is a flawed design. Hopefully you get someone to comment that hates Cowchippers and loves Woodchippers. Balanced and fair reviewing, ya know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evirob View Post
    I went with 29+ wheels and the clearance could be better. 40mm ID rims with WTB Rangers.
    Just out of curiosity, that's with the 3.0 Rangers or the 2.8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by annoying crack View Post
    Gearing wise. How do I get the lowest gearing with a double chainset that works with brifters? Planning on using cable disks.
    to get the lowest gearing, you'll use a mtn bike crankset, mtn bike rear mech and mtn bike cassette. if using Shimano, you'll need a Wolftooth "Tanpan" to make the road brifters operate the mech. you can google and/or search this thread for those terms.
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    I've been riding my Fargo on singletrack a bit lately and I love it more and more. It's just a really fun mountain bike and I'm actually enjoying using the Woodchippers.

    You guys discussing the Woodchipper vs. Cowchipper is making me want to try the CC. I adjusted the reach and level of the levers to optimize for the drops, and only use the top of the bar when climbing or going really slow. Definitely a compromise, but I'm okay with it for now.

    I installed an old Reba I had laying around that had a shorter steerer tube than the steel fork. I had to use a higher rise stem to get the drops up to around saddle level. The WTB i29 Asym rims with Maxxis Forekaster 2.3 tubeless tires are awesome. Tons of grip and feel solid.

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    Just picked up a new Fargo a couple weeks ago. Re-laced the rims with Stans Flow MK3s wrapped in Ikon 2.35's, swapped out the cassette for a Box components 11-46, and switched the front ring to a 28t. I never thought I'd own a bike like this but I love the adventures that can be had. Pic below is from the first real ride, about 45 miles of old double track with some pavement thrown in for good measure.

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    I've tried several shops and cant for the life of me find either a steel or Ti fargo frameset +/- fork in medium anywhere. If anyone has any leads, I am all ears, please shoot me a PM. I just broke my old (non-Fargo) frame and need a new one ASAP. None of my local Salsa dealers are saying that they are able to order me one in time. I need a new one this month if possible for some Springtime bikepack races I have planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couloirman View Post
    I've tried several shops and cant for the life of me find either a steel or Ti fargo frameset +/- fork in medium anywhere. If anyone has any leads, I am all ears, please shoot me a PM. I just broke my old (non-Fargo) frame and need a new one ASAP. None of my local Salsa dealers are saying that they are able to order me one in time. I need a new one this month if possible for some Springtime bikepack races I have planned.
    You try eBay by chance? Or you could look into another drop bar style bike: velo orange piolet, crust bikes, etc... I know they aren't fargos, but better than nothing. Crust bikes people are big into bikepacking fwiw. good luck and hope you find a speedy solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cackalacky View Post
    I've been riding my Fargo on singletrack a bit lately and I love it more and more.
    that is a really cool pic! it's as if your Fargo is screaming "i'm the king of the world!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post

    The Cowchipper solves all those issues. Yes, it has a bit deeper drop, but as you say, a stem swap can get you in a "drop" position that works better, if you need that. I did not.
    Thanks G-Ted. It sounds like the Cowchippers might be the better choice for what I intend to do with this bike.

    I think maybe I see the benefit of the Woodchipper for singletrack riding of you literally only ever use the drops, but I've got other mountain bikes for that type of riding.

    Also, is anyone else excited about recently announced 29x2.8" tires from Terrene? I know there are other smaller plus tires that probably measure to around 2.8", but I need a tough casing for my lava rock infested trails. I want to dangle my feet in the plus tire pool, but these should work fine on my i29 rims without chain rub from my 2x10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorshanks View Post
    Also, is anyone else excited about recently announced 29x2.8" tires from Terrene? I know there are other smaller plus tires that probably measure to around 2.8", but I need a tough casing for my lava rock infested trails. I want to dangle my feet in the plus tire pool, but these should work fine on my i29 rims without chain rub from my 2x10.
    I am, for one. Not for a Fargo though. I have 2.8"ers but they are 27.5" tires on my "Fat Fargo", which is a great set up for certain things.

    I'll be looking in to this new Terrene tire for a Singular Buzzard I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Just out of curiosity, that's with the 3.0 Rangers or the 2.8?
    The 29+ Rangers are only available in 3.0". Currently....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorshanks View Post
    Also, is anyone else excited about recently announced 29x2.8" tires from Terrene? I know there are other smaller plus tires that probably measure to around 2.8", but I need a tough casing for my lava rock infested trails.
    I'm excited. They look sweet. Though I've been running Rangers lately on both my 27.5+ and 29+ rigs and they leave little to be desired. While the "Light and Fast" version may not stand up to sustained lava rock bashing, I've actually been pretty impressed at how durable they are on northern Rockies granite/shale and the usual southern Utah smorgasbord of pokey nastiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevrider View Post
    that is a really cool pic! it's as if your Fargo is screaming "i'm the king of the world!"
    Thanks! Just a quick pic on my roof rack. This bike is a keeper.
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    I made it 88 miles on my Fargo before breaking my first derailleur hanger. Not terribly expensive given I have to replace the whole dropout, but after removing it and inspecting it, it doesn't look like the most durable piece of hardware. My plan for the bike was to be able to take long rides with occasional single track mixed in. Anyone have any impressions of the alternator dropouts and whether they are up to the task?

    On the plus side, I think the derailleur itself survived just fine (to be confirmed once I fix the bike and ride it again), so the hanger did it's job and provided a breaking point. With the sliding mount, I was able to resize my chain for a middle gear, tension the chain, and single-speed it home without any issues. So, despite breaking, it didn't leave me stranded calling for a ride, which is always a plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeR91 View Post
    I made it 88 miles on my Fargo before breaking my first derailleur hanger. Not terribly expensive given I have to replace the whole dropout, but after removing it and inspecting it, it doesn't look like the most durable piece of hardware. My plan for the bike was to be able to take long rides with occasional single track mixed in. Anyone have any impressions of the alternator dropouts and whether they are up to the task?

    On the plus side, I think the derailleur itself survived just fine (to be confirmed once I fix the bike and ride it again), so the hanger did it's job and provided a breaking point. With the sliding mount, I was able to resize my chain for a middle gear, tension the chain, and single-speed it home without any issues. So, despite breaking, it didn't leave me stranded calling for a ride, which is always a plus.
    Bummer about the hanger. I have 3000 miles on mine without issue. Mixed dirt and road.

    Also, I just made the switch to cowchippers and am really happy. I haven't tried them on a single track yet though. I also switch the BB7s to TRP Spyre. Mucho mejor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeR91 View Post
    I made it 88 miles on my Fargo before breaking my first derailleur hanger.
    The hanger broke? I had the cage separate from the rest of the derailleur. The shop thought I must have damaged it so I had to a buy a new derailleur.
    This year my wife and my friend both got Fargo's and had the same thing happen. Mine was a 2015 and theirs were 2016's. One thing I discovered is that the RD was an older version.

    All of these incidents happened with 2-300 miles on them.

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    Yeah, the hanger bent so that the derailleur was back in the wheel (luckily, no signs of spoke damage) and when I tugged it to clear the wheel, it snapped. Pictures attached. (Please excuse the mud - they are building bridges over some drainage, but they aren't done yet, hard to ride through without picking some up.) Derailleur seems Ok, but could be bent a bit. I'll know more in a couple days when I get my hands on a new dropout.


    Grizzler - Interesting about the brakes. My initial impression was that the brakes were a bit weak, but I have BB7s on my fatbike and they have always worked well. I haven't really investigated what the differences are (aside from the obvious brake levers) between the setups on the two bikes.
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    I'm looking for suggestions (pictures?) of front racks for the Fargo. I have a '17 with steel fork running 29x2.4s now, soon 27.5x3s. Prefer non low riders. I live pretty remotely (interior Alaska) making it hard to get my hands on actual products and shipping is expensive. I think the Velo Orange Randonneur and Surly 8/24 Pack would work. Maybe?
    Let me know what has worked well!

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    Grizzler, what rack is that? Did you have to drill into the fork to make it work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeR91 View Post
    Yeah, the hanger bent so that the derailleur was back in the wheel (luckily, no signs of spoke damage) and when I tugged it to clear the wheel, it snapped. Pictures attached. (Please excuse the mud - they are building bridges over some drainage, but they aren't done yet, hard to ride through without picking some up.) Derailleur seems Ok, but could be bent a bit. I'll know more in a couple days when I get my hands on a new dropout.


    Grizzler - Interesting about the brakes. My initial impression was that the brakes were a bit weak, but I have BB7s on my fatbike and they have always worked well. I haven't really investigated what the differences are (aside from the obvious brake levers) between the setups on the two bikes.
    I found the MTB BB7 to be plenty powerful, but for some reason I just couldn't get the road version to be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    I found the MTB BB7 to be plenty powerful, but for some reason I just couldn't get the road version to be great.
    It's a (incorrectly mounted) Surly 8-pack. I don't recommend it unless you want to custom fabricate a mounting bracket or add some crown braze-ons. I did not drill the fork, I just used the mid-blade mounts and the top cage mounts. I am waiting for a friend to make a me a block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildernessness View Post
    I'm looking for suggestions (pictures?) of front racks for the Fargo. I have a '17 with steel fork running 29x2.4s now, soon 27.5x3s. Prefer non low riders. I live pretty remotely (interior Alaska) making it hard to get my hands on actual products and shipping is expensive. I think the Velo Orange Randonneur and Surly 8/24 Pack would work. Maybe?
    Let me know what has worked well!
    Hey! Fellow Alaskan with a Fargo here,
    I have the Surly Front Rack. Mounted as high as it will go, it clears 29x2.35 Super Motos, but not by much.

    I got it thinking I could strap a dry bag on top, or panniers on the sides depending on where I am going and how much I am taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildernessness View Post
    I'm looking for suggestions (pictures?) of front racks for the Fargo. I have a '17 with steel fork running 29x2.4s now, soon 27.5x3s. Prefer non low riders. I live pretty remotely (interior Alaska) making it hard to get my hands on actual products and shipping is expensive. I think the Velo Orange Randonneur and Surly 8/24 Pack would work. Maybe?
    Let me know what has worked well!
    I have a Racktime Toppit on my '17 fargo which work pretty well. I think when I measured it it had 4" of space between the rack arms. I don't think there would be any problems with 3" tires. In fact, I'm sure 29x3" tires would be fine. It has a decent sized deck and can support panniers.

    I do lament the fact that the rack arms interfere with the ability to mount things to the bottle mounts. I've seen pictures of older Fargos where the 3-pack mounts are to the rear of the fork, allowing people to use a rack and anything cages. That would be nice, but I ordered some 5L panniers from Alpkit to experiment with.

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    I swapped out the wheels and tires on my 2017 GX, and I thought I'd share where I ended up.

    It came with WTB 23mm rims and 29 x 2.25" Rocket Rons. It took me a few minutes to hate those tires, and they only made it through one ride before I replaced them with some 45c WTB Riddlers. Also set the Riddlers up tubeless when I made the change. I don't have any real complaints with the Riddlers - in fact, I would probably recommend them if they suit where you are riding. They are smooth, quiet, and have a fair amount of grip. I put about 150 miles on them - mix of pavement, gravel roads and singletrack, and my only complaints were the way they handled in mud, and the lack of cushioning. Of course, neither of these are faults with the Riddler. There isn't a lot of volume for cushioning, and mud is mud.

    While I was riding with the Riddlers, I was also having some wheels built with 40mm rims. I received those yesterday, and put Surly Extraterrestrial tires on them (29 x 2.5"), tubeless again. I had time to get in a quick ride last night (5 or 6 miles, pavement and gravel paths), and built up enough confidence to take them on a longer ride this morning, and I'm pretty impressed. They are heavier tires (the combo of rim and tire added about 400 - 500 grams when compared to the original rims and Riddlers), but they roll really well. There is plenty of clearance for them, as Salsa says there should be.

    To do some side by side comparisons, my route this morning was one that I rode last weekend on the other tires. It's actually the course from a gravel grinder, so I raced it in April on my Ice Cream Truck, which, it turns out, is slower than the Fargo. It's mostly dirt roads, some seasonal use only, some pavement mixed in, and roughly 32 miles and about 3200 vertical feet. It's a good combination of things to compare. The Fargo is a great bike for this type of riding. I would say that riding this morning, I really didn't feel any downsides from the extra tire weight. I'm sure it was there, but with the faster rolling tread pattern on the ETs, I think it effectively balanced out, at least for what I want to get out of the a bike ride. With the ETs around 30PSI, they also had a fair amount of cushion, and they absorbed some of the rough terrain better. On hard packed dirt, they handled it like pavement. Fast and smooth. As it got looser, they got a bit sketchier. If you look at the tread pattern, that is probably to be expected. A few times I felt the rear tire spin on a climb where I know the Riddlers didn't. There are a few really rough downhills, and I would say the same thing, except with the extra cushion, they absorbed some of the bumps better, providing a little more confidence. Not sure they would do as well with emergency braking, but I think they allowed me to carry more speed because they felt more planted.

    I hope someone found that interesting. Next weekend is the Black Fly Challenge, the first race I'll be doing on the Fargo. The surface is mostly either hardpack or sandy, with pavement near the start and finish. I'll probably use the ETs because I'd like to see how they do in the sandier conditions.

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    Thanks to everyone in the this thread that have shared their stories and builds! Last fall I decided to merge my Fargo and Vaya into one bike and purchased a Cutthroat. Now I've finally put my Fargo up for sale. It's not in the mtbr classifieds yet but it's on my local cl here in vt.
    Here's the link: https://vermont.craigslist.org/bik/6160643930.html

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    Found this thread upon researching about the Fargo, from looking at other alternatives, which are few, I took up an offer from the LBS for a discounted price on an ex display 2016 Fargo frameset. Riding my 700c x 42 drop bar Cotic Escapade opened me up to gravel riding, but felt a little under equipped for some of the trails ive taken it. I'll be building the Fargo with parts to hand, including having a go at building some 29er wheels with the hope pro2 hubs I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fell_monkey View Post
    Found this thread upon researching about the Fargo, from looking at other alternatives, which are few, I took up an offer from the LBS for a discounted price on an ex display 2016 Fargo frameset. Riding my 700c x 42 drop bar Cotic Escapade opened me up to gravel riding, but felt a little under equipped for some of the trails ive taken it. I'll be building the Fargo with parts to hand, including having a go at building some 29er wheels with the hope pro2 hubs I have.

    Welcome! Hopefully you will enjoy being a Fargonaut. Here's the current state of the Fargo that started this thread. Still running strong after all these years and adventures. This from my recent century in the Flint Hills of Kansas. The Salsa Fargo Thread-p6020137.jpg
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    Did I count six water bottles? Love it!

    What kind of tire. I can make out WTB, but which one size, please? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franksj View Post
    Did I count six water bottles? Love it!

    What kind of tire. I can make out WTB, but which one size, please? Thanks.
    Uhh......that would be seven! Using a Wolf Tooth B Rad with Double Bottle Adapter on the upper most set of bosses on the down tube.

    Those are actually Terrene Honali tires. They are very nice riding tires and tough, so far.
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    I have a Salsa Fargo GX 2017 and it already got a few scratches on the frame. Is there a risk they over time will damage the frame and should I cover them with touch up paint ?

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    No worries until the scratches get all the way through the paint, but I like applying clear coat to scratches as they develop. Better safe than wishing you had done some simple maintenance.
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    Thanks. What size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franksj View Post
    Thanks. What size?
    The tires? 700 X 50mm.They will be available soon. These are a set I was forwarded to test for RidingGravel.com
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    ok, I'm sold at the +hype except for mud clearance.

    Really looking forward to the Terrence tires and will try them asap.

    Also been thinking about a regular 29" wheelset with DT hubs and some lighter rims. Any suggestions for rims? I would like them remain somewhat round even if I take them on an adventure. Most likely to be used for lighter graveltouring and occasional singletrack.

    Anyone else tried 29+ on their Fargo yet?

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    Im also interested in the rim choice for gravel/ light singletrack and thinking of running as big 29'ers I can get in my 2016 frameset, which im collecting next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    The tires? 700 X 50mm.They will be available soon. These are a set I was forwarded to test for RidingGravel.com
    Do you think they would be OK on 36mm internal width rims?

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    Any suggestions for rims? I would like them remain somewhat round even if I take them on an adventure. Most likely to be used for lighter graveltouring and occasional singletrack.

    Anyone else tried 29+ on their Fargo yet?

    Look at the WTB Asym i35 rims. Unless you're railing berms with really low pressure, they are wide enough for 3" tires. I think they're the perfect size for the 2.6" and 2.8" tires that are coming out. The eyelet spokes allow them to take some pretty high spoke tension, and the asymmetrical design brings the tension up on the drive side making them stronger. The i35 is also a lot cheaper and lighter than something like the WTB scraper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorshanks View Post
    Look at the WTB Asym i35 rims. Unless you're railing berms with really low pressure, they are wide enough for 3" tires. I think they're the perfect size for the 2.6" and 2.8" tires that are coming out. The eyelet spokes allow them to take some pretty high spoke tension, and the asymmetrical design brings the tension up on the drive side making them stronger. The i35 is also a lot cheaper and lighter than something like the WTB scraper.
    Would they really be better for normal 29er tyres than my Easton Arc40?

    Could of course rebuild my existing wheels with the WTB ones to be able to run 2.4 to 3.0 but then I'm still stuck with one set of wheels.

    Maybe I should build with WTB asym 30 and use my arcs for 2.8-3.0?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evirob View Post
    Would they really be better for normal 29er tyres than my Easton Arc40?

    Could of course rebuild my existing wheels with the WTB ones to be able to run 2.4 to 3.0 but then I'm still stuck with one set of wheels.

    Maybe I should build with WTB asym 30 and use my arcs for 2.8-3.0?
    So you asked for suggestions on rims, but you already have ARC 40 x 29 ? Or are the ARC40 your 27.5 wheels?

    Your ideal rim, or in this diverse use case, your least-un-ideal rim, will depend on the range of tires you intend to use. If you ever want to ride 1.6-1.75 tires (on a pavement tour, for example) then staying a bit smaller like a WTB Asym i29 would fit those tires safely, while still fitting ~2.5 perfectly and 3.0 functionally. The i35 are good rims, but going that wide is going to create more problems on the ~1.6" side than a 29mm rim will create on the 3" side.

    The primary consequence of putting 3" tires on a 30mm rim is loss of sidewall support, which can be a big consequence for railing turns on singletrack, but thats going to be a rare or infrequent use case on a Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorshanks View Post
    The eyelet spokes allow them to take some pretty high spoke tension, and the asymmetrical design brings the tension up on the drive side making them stronger.
    I think you meant NON drive side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    So you asked for suggestions on rims, but you already have ARC 40 x 29 ? Or are the ARC40 your 27.5 wheels?
    I already got arc 40 for my 29+ duties but would like to run more aggressive regular tires due to tight clearance on the 29+. Right now I've got the WTB Rangers 3.0 (29+) mounted on my arcs. Mud clearance is pretty bad and my chain almost got caught in the mud when I was on small ring front.

    I got my eyes on Terrene 2.8 tyres which is both more aggressive and a tad smaller than my Rangers. Rangers are perfect for gravel/forest roads here in Sweden. But as soon as I hit some trails with mud on things are getting nasty.

    So, I thought I should get a regular 29er wheelset with maybe 25-30id rims for mud season. Get the Terrene tires and run them in the wetter part of the year and run Rangers in the dry summer.

    Am I making any sense or does it just sound like an excuse to build more wheels?

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    If you've already got 29x40 wheels than I personally wouldn't bother building 29x35 wheels, they aren't that different, so aren't much of a complement. If the primary tires you're wanting to roll are 29x2.8 then the 40mm Arcs will be fine for them. LOTS of 27.5+ bikes ship w/ 40mm rims and 2.8 tires stock.

    If you wanted to run 2.1-ish tires, then I would consider a set of 25-30mm rim wheels for that duty. But if its 2.8 you're "worried" about, just mount them on your current 40mm Arcs.

    I'm waiting on the Terrene McFly 29x2.8 myself, for my Timberjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    If you've already got 29x40 wheels than I personally wouldn't bother building 29x35 wheels, they aren't that different, so aren't much of a complement. If the primary tires you're wanting to roll are 29x2.8 then the 40mm Arcs will be fine for them. LOTS of 27.5+ bikes ship w/ 40mm rims and 2.8 tires stock.

    If you wanted to run 2.1-ish tires, then I would consider a set of 25-30mm rim wheels for that duty. But if its 2.8 you're "worried" about, just mount them on your current 40mm Arcs.

    I'm waiting on the Terrene McFly 28x2.8 myself, for my Timberjack.
    Nah, I got a roadbike for my skinny tires

    The McFly seems like a really nice one. Happy to find a dealer in Finland as well. Thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evirob View Post
    Am I making any sense or does it just sound like an excuse to build more wheels?
    Don't need an excuse, just build wheels. If you end up with spares I'll take'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Do you think they would be OK on 36mm internal width rims?
    That's a bit wide, in my opinion. That would flatten out the crown of the tire enough that you'd end up running a lot of the face of the tread on the terrain you are riding on, square off the tire profile, making it corner strangely, and would expose the sidewalls to more potential damage. It could "work", and certainly, it could be done, but it isn't what I would term an ideal internal rim width for a 50mm tire. I would ideally want to be in the 23mm-25mm area myself and I would entertain going up to 30mm. That's my opinion on inner rim width for the Honali.
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