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    D-ray, nice nice nice Fargo.

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    GT-I haven't seen too many of those 3RENSHO 26" drop bar bikes. I thought you guys might dig the head tube length and fork rake. But JMKM is right, the bottom bracket height is interesting. The eighties were crazy!

    Mr. Meiser-You're welcome anytime, but my collection really isn't that impressive. Nate and his crew on the other hand...OMFG. If I could, I'd trade the majority of my stuff for some legs and lungs if it were that easy. You definitely need to come down and talk shop though.

    Chumbox- Thanks for the kind words! FWIW I am 5' 11" with a 31-32" inseam. If I was going to spend more time in single track the medium size would have been my weapon of choice. My goal with the Fargo is to commute to work with it as often as possible. I have a 50 mile round trip commute that is 65% dirt roads. It has and will do more singletrack duty, but for me it has solved MANY of my commuting woes. These guys won't steer you wrong.

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    Here's mine in Austin.

    Built a few weeks ago. Got to take it out on an o'er night camping trip to the lake this past weekend. It was good times.

    I set mine up for all around riding with the following highlights: Nitto Noodle bar, Paul Thumbie rear shifter mounted up top, Surly Nice rack. Mountain drivetrain. I have my bars tops about 1 inch above the saddle. Most of my riding is on the hoods and top of bar so far. I'd say 80% asphalt riding at this point.

    I spend most of my time on this bike exploring with my daughter in the trailer. Otherwise it is the most versatile commuter. I think I might try to see how many rides in a row I can do on this bike alone (road/mtb/commute) without switching to another bike. I could imagine going to an STI but that would require new brakes as well and it works pretty well as is.

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    ATXSS - That's another nice setup. Love the thumbies shifter. I'm really loving that people aren't taking just one avenue for the Fargo, it can be setup so many ways for so many purposes. So good.

    On that note (and not to hijack the thread at all) but was just wondering about bar end shifter routing. Some pics show it goes under the bar tape and out the top near the stem like the brakes and others have it come straight out from the tape near the drops. Is there a correct way or is it horses for courses?

    Alright back to the photos.

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    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.
    Response to both you guys-

    Thanks for the enthusiastic words.

    I haven't ever tried running the cable all the way up top. My bar wrap job started to come undone from the bottom on this ride so I need to redo it in any case. I may try re-routing the cable since it does get in the way a bit while using the drops. I find the Thumbie on the rear shifting more convenient when using the hoods as compared with the bar end option. I'd use it for the front as well but this bar doesn't allow both Thumbie mounts to fit up top. Right now the bike isn't really optimized for full on off-road riding. As much as I like the idea of making it a trail bike it seems less appropriate than simply using my MTB on technical trail rides.

    Other side notes - I tried the WTB bars during the build process. The Nittos were actually a last minute exchange since I had them laying around. I found the WTB bars felt great in the drops but the tops/hoods were too narrow. If you are spending a lot of time on the hoods with those you best like a narrow bar setup with the WTB Bars. I felt like there was too little control. Based on the amount of road usage I'm doing on this bike the priority had to be comfort on the tops/hoods.

    Also, I wish the MTB compatible Tektro levers had a bit wider hood design because they could stand distribute pressure a bit wider across your palm more like their newer road pull singlespeed levers do. I guess they were designed for drop usage primarily where the hoods are inconsequential. At least the lever action is very nice.

    Fully braided Jagwire housing works really nicely to keep the brake action firm without housing compression.

    As for the hammock - extremely comfortable and compact setup. I underestimated the weather on this trip. We had low 40s on a lake front with huge winds that took the windchill down close to freezing. I had brought a summer weight bag and no insulating mat so I shivered uncontrollably all night. Lesson learned! 8 months out of the year down here the hammock is ideal. For this trip I needed a thermal mat to be comfy in the hammock. Found an excuse to shop for some more bike-packing gear

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    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
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    Still a low-quality webcam pic, but this one was after returning from a road/trail ride, about 25 miles on road, and about 10 trail. Jandd pack is nice for some small stuff, an emergen-C, some food, a tube and tools, map, etc.

    Trail was a really rocky/rooty one, the "advanced" part gave my body a beating, but it was all fun. A guy on an FS Rocky Mountain paused his mid-ride cell phone call break to roll his eyes and say, "Nice rig." I didn't see him again on the rest of the trail!

    I'm not sure if I like the Campy Centaur/Shimano 9 speed set up off road. I stayed in the 36 ring the whole time, but was all over the cassette. On the road I new there were a couple imprecise spots midway through, and they were way more pronounced bouncing around and over rocks...I may end up going back to bar ends. I have an SS wheel, and might try a 6 speed XT set up first (I think the 29er tires and 48t would work out better being able to use the higher cogs and having a better chainline.) I also need to find a blue elastomer for the Thudbuster. I bought the post for CHEAP on eBay because the seller mispelled "thudbuster", but it only came with the one bushing..

    A digital camera is hopefully in the near future for me, and so hopefully more interesting pics will be as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
    Fair enough, however in comparison visually with a Midge it looks visually like it would be a better hybrid between a road and dirt drop design. In truth something like a bell lap does work better for this purpose as JMKM stated above. My Nitto is working fine as well.

    Just a tip for others to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
    Thanks Dan -- It was great to see you and your new Fargo out on the trail the other day! For as great as it looks in pictures, that thing looks even better in person. Guitar Ted and I are serious about that shifter project too... We'll talk more about that soon.

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    Hey all, I am thinking about building up a Fargo. Actually pricing out one currently. I am planning on using it for fire road, single track, pavement adventures here in CO. Also throwing some cross slicks for touring rides as well. I had some questions about some details on it. Here they are:

    1) I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.

    2) How effective is a pair of fenders that cover a 29x2.1 and a 700x35 tire working out for anyone?

    3) Here is the Big one I'm 5' 7" with a 30" inseam. What size would you recommend and what dim on the Fargo spec sheet is closest to my bikes to get size right?

    4) Any tips from all the build ups that caught you off guard that might help me out?

    Thanks to all of you for posting all the thoughts and pics. These are great, I am getting excited about firing one of these bad dogs up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.
    I am running 26/36/48 with 172.5s and it's just fine, no problems at all. I would personally even go shorter if I had a set of 170s lying around just to give me a couple extra mm for pedal strikes although I usually don't have any issues with the type of riding I do.

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    My 20" Fargo frame came in today! I'm just going to sit and stare at it's beauty!

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    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.

    That's my quick and dirty review...

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    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
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    I really like my Fargo. It is a great alround bike. Although I will ride this one with racks too, pulling a trailerbike next summervacation in Norway, I also ride this bike carouseled. Jeff made me a half size framepack for a different bike, but it fits my Fargo great too. Combining this with his amazing seatbag, barbag and toptubebag I will be able to do most of my shorter trips ultralitestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
    I think there is one in page 1 of this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?
    I'm sure you are aware of Charlie Cunningham's take on drop bars and Matt Chester's reiteration of that theory. The drop section does things to the riders wrists, fore arms, and shoulders that other bars do not approach doing to the degree a dirt drop does. I find it relaxing and comfortable. It ain't for everyone though.

    The "other" positions are terrain/situationally specific to a degree, but do come in handy. As for being "natural", I can not comment for anyone else. I find that it works for me. You pick the bar that works for you, and I pick the one that works for me. To my mind, the Bell Lap bar is more "un-natural" feeling, so there ya go!

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.
    I won't get into specifics here, but I will agree that none of the dirt drop bars is what I would design/want in a dirt drop bar. The Origin 8 and On One offerings both work fine for me. In some ways, the Gary bar is almost a mustache bar, and the layed over brake levers don't bother me in the least. Still, it isn't what I would design.

    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
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    More Handle Bar Musings

    I was thinking more on the handle bar thing and since the Fargo is such a versatile platform, I thought I'd throw this out for consideration.........

    We have had a great discussion about the plusses and minuses of "dirt drop" type drop bars, but I think road drops have their own set of evolutions that have rendered certain aspects of those road going drops very "unnatural". (Again....my opinion only)

    The modern drop bar is designed to be set up with today's "brifter" systems, (nod to Sheldon) and the main focus of that is how the hoods transition into the tops. Typically the end result is a flattish transition to bar top from hood that is set up so that from the side, this transition is typically parallel to the ground. The obvious benefits are that several positions are available that are comfortable from the levers to the stem. However; the drop sections of these bars is marginally useful to down right useless when the levers are set up as I have described.

    This isn't a problem for the average road going cyclist that rarely uses the drops at all. We could say that the modern drop bar for roadies is "hood-centric" in it's design. (Note: Not all roadies ride like I have described. I'm not saying they do, but I work in a shop where the vast majority of drop bars are used in this manner.)

    In my mind, the modern road bar has gone too far in one direction, but this to accomodate the shifter/brake levers most used today. To my mind, the Nitto Noodle bar is the epitome of drop design that promotes use of drops and tops if the levers are set up appropriately and the stem set up doesn't place the drops too low. Problem is, modern "brifters" don't play well with bars like the Noodle Bar and have a flat transition zone from hood to bar top. (But then again, should they?)

    Drop bars can be discussed to death, but I just wanted to point out that there are few bars that really do a great job of offering the useful multiple riding positions that a bike like the Fargo seems to call out for. I think Nitto makes a few that are reasonable and Salsa has a couple. Of course, there are various ways to interpret the set up that will accomodate different riders. Good thing we have choices!
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    GT,

    I agree with Cunningham and Chester on Drop Bar Fit, but I disagree with adding complexity to a bar to only have 1 position. I know you, Shiggy, and many others like the current offerings out there. There are some basic principles on bike fit and ergonomics that we can all agree with, beyond that it comes down to personal preference. As they say, "there is more than one way to skin a cat!" I don't know who they are or what the origin of this phrase is, it is odd to say the least.

    I agree with your assesment of the noodle. I've got a set of them on my Casseroll and have for the last 3 years of 3 season commutes (the bike gets hung up for a fixed gear Casseroll in the winter). Yes, I have two Casseroll's. This is one of the few bars that provides good fit in the hoods and on the drops. It has a nice reach and a a nice short drop. It is no surprise that this is one of the best selling bars avaiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?
    One of the designs I am not privy to, but the other one I am.

    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available.

    I don't have any idea when it will come out, but I know it is being developed as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available. Hopefully the position on the hoods will remain nice and wide. Start at 46cm at the hoods and flare out from there. Even the widest Bell laps are right on the narrowest hood position limit for my taste when you consider the inward angle that the brake levers sit at.
    This sounds promising. Bonty VR is my preferred true road bike bar. Extend the drop portion and add some flair and surely you'd have a nice hybrid offroad bar.

    I agree with JMKM that a drop bar should offer multiple hand positions for the tradeoff in shifter/brake lever complexity, added weight from additional material, and generally requiring a different frame design in an offroad application. That is all a lot of fuss really when you think about it so you'd better be getting some benefits that simply adding an ergo MTB bar doesn't provide. Jones and Groovy both offer good designs in my experience to simply improve a single hand position on an off road bicycle, and while expensive both cost less than a drop bar specific frame - not to mention new shifters/brake levers, brake calipers, etc...

    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market. Kudos to anyone still working on the issue with R&D, especially considering that the current state of the marketplace in general today encourages more conservative decisions on where to place your resources.

    In the meantime, I also agree with GT in some of his description of the evolution of road bike specific "hood-centric" drop bars. If you are looking for something for your Fargo in the road bike bar world I find the Nitto to be performing better than I'd expected. I love trying out new bars but I may just keep these on indefinitely until something new comes out on the market with a really compelling design.

    And now some random build pictures just for more photo content...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market.
    I think this may have been GT so kudos to him.

    Anyways...

    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.

    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?

    Examples:
    Go Kart Mozart and GT appear to do a lot of offroad work on their Fargos currently = they find the Midge a good fit.
    Gnat and JMKM appears to do a lot of path/gravel/some dirt, let's say all rounder work on their Fargos currently = they find the Bell Lap a good fit.
    ATXSS appears do do a lot of road/adventuring on his Fargo currently = he finds the Nitto a good fit.
    Mgersib appears to be doing the offroads currently on his Fargo = he finds the WTB a good fit.

    These are all guesses from what I have read but there appears to be trends forming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?
    Thats exactly what I think. Of course, like anything it ends up at your personal preference and intended application. I suppose this conversation really points back to the versatility of the bike. I posted over a month ago in this thread asking riders to describe their type of riding to qualify their bar choices because I was curious to find the optimal setup myself before I even had my frame in hand.

    In the end I got the same multiple answers that you've come to from reading through everyones response. When listening to any one recommendation you've got to think of what the perspective is of that particular rider making the statement. Ultimately you've got to consider what you want the bike to do for you in particular to make the best choice- even then I made the wrong call initially not having had experience with the WTB bar before.

    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.

    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting.
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?
    Get you one already.

    28.6 clamp. All completes so far. A couple to folks who had not heard of the bike before coming into the store. I found that interesting, not necessarily just people "in the know." Like I said, it has appeal to a certain type of person at first glance despite whether you've heard of it or even Salsa before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.
    Yes, hats off to Salsa for sure!

    Interestingly, Jason Boucher, the head honch at Salsa, said as much to me when we were first discussing the Fargo last year. He said that he fully expected to see a multitude of set ups, some that he probably would never had guessed at.

    I suspect that will play out in the coming weeks and months here.

    I just wanted to point out that Jason and JMKM are also playing with flat bar set ups on Fargo bikes, so I think that even here you will see set ups expressed to suit certain personal preferances that preclude the use of drop bars at all.

    In some ways, there is a too big a "dust up" about these drop bar set ups. I mean, look at road bikes these days. Hardly any consensus there, other than the Pro racer set ups.

    But to get to a point made earlier about all the "complexity" in setting up for drops that provide only "one" hand position, all one has to do is look back to the earliest drop type bars to see that one hand position was really all that was intended to be used on rough, unpaved roads. (See the old bars with the cork grips at the ends of the drops as an example) That said, I find that several positions exist and to say that they are not "useable" is really only in the eye of the beholder.

    I mean, an argument could be made the other way, had drop bar mountain bikes been the norm, rather than the exception.

    It's all perception and personal preferances. That's why the Fargo is such a hit, because it can support so many different interpretations of what is "right" to ride and for "where". No other 29"er, and maybe no other bike can lay claim to this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    ...Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudInMyEars
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

    -mud
    Ah good for you! Lucky timing eh? Just tracked it. Looks like you'll we'll have that guy tomorrow just in time for the weekend if UPS holds up their end of the deal.

    Hope to pass you on the trails one day

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    Greetings all. Amazing pictures - thanks for the inspiration. I've a medium S Fargo frame on order. I plan to put this bike to work hauling me arse and gear on tours. Touring both paved and gravel with sprinkles of off road now possible. Am a little concerned about the front pannier position, I've low rider tubus duo's on order. Judging from the pictures, seems to me I need to get the front load down lower because of the wind we have around here. Am having sscouplers installed after taking a cue from the seditious canary. Thanks guys for the pictures with racks and fenders . I'll post a picture when I get it put together and loaded up. Be back soon.

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    The Fargo is definitely trail-worthy--I cleaned a nasty, loose hill yesterday on the first attempt of the season that I had never cleaned before on my old hardtail, even when in much better shape than I am now. I'm using the Bell Lap bars, and after riding on the road a lot during the winter it's mostly going to be a trail bike until I can get some gravel exploration done this summer.

    Strangely enough, I ran into another Fargo owner in town. His is set up with some kind of moustache-like bars and looks really great.

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    I guess I'll add another point of information to the bar discussion.

    I've got my medium currently setup with a high midge setup, hooks of the bars right about at the saddle. Pretty comfortable in the drops, but I'll say that the top and the hoods feel really high. Almost uncomfortably high. There's a little bit of a stretch to reach the brake levers, which I'm not sure I can eliminate, plus with the bar end shifters there's a slight shift of the hands required to shift. The bar end shifters are super accurate though, better than triggers or the floppy shimano sti shifters.

    I've still got a set of titec jones bars with the XTR floppy shifters in the garage, which I was using before on my 29er. I find them pretty nice for commuting and general off-road use and even some short duty touring (75 miles or less). The single shifter/brake position is super convenient for commuting and the hand position is pretty close to the drop bar position. Plus the middle section is great for lights and a bell.

    Long story longer, I might end up going back and forth on this bike. The jones/floppy shifter setup is hard to beat for all-round type use. The drops are certainly comfy, but I don't feel that all the positions available are really that comfortable for me, as I have them up high enough to really utilize the hooks.

    I'll have to get some pictures up soon, pretty plain jane setup though, XT with Avid Mechs, currently sporting 2.35 big apples, midges, etc. Super commuter mode...

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    My Fargo

    Just a quick look at my new fargo. There are still a few things to do yet but...


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    so, has anyone set up his fargo as single speed yet or am i going to be first (i think i haven't even seen one without multiple chainrings)?
    i'm just waiting for the front wheel.. looking forward to get the rig rolling tomorrow. i will take some pictures then.

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    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    Yes...

    I ran into this problem with my fargo. I called Salsa and was told to do one of two things:

    1. Return the fork to your Salsa dealer to get a new fork.

    2. Bolt on a brake adapter and use pliers to bend out the disk brake mount. (This is the method I chose and it worked just fine. The advantage of steel frames.)

    Salsa is aware of the problem and said that it was a hiccup in the production run. They said they are doing method two above when assembling the complete bikes.

    Hope this helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by papajoe
    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    I ran into the same problem. Put some tape over the jaws of a crescent wrench, then tighten it down on the brake mount. Pull to the outside just a little bit, and it comes into alignment perfectly. No scratch to the paint, and everything will bolt together nicely.

    I was wondering if Salsa knew about that, but it was an easy fix, so I didn't raise a stink about it.

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    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo? I’m 6’3”, 36” inseam, ride a 61 cm road bike. I haven’t ridden an MTB in ages, but when I did I was on a 21”. I see using the Fargo for long dirt road rides, as a well as on- and maybe off-road touring.

    My current bike is a mid-80s Novara Strada road sport/touring, and I am very comfortable on it. Is has relatively upright geometry. Here are the specs, as I have been able to measure them:
    Top tube 570mm
    Saddle height 810mm
    Top of saddle to handlebar 680mm
    Height difference between saddle and hbar 0mm - however, I am fine with a bar a 4cm or so below the saddle
    Standover at ctr of TT 890mm

    Comparing these specs to the Fargo’s it seems that an XL Fargo is the right choice – but because my Novara is more of a road sport frame, I am not sure if that is an ideal comparison. Any ideas?

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    Fargo - The Perfect Mutant Road Bike?

    My friends and I have been getting into mixed rides (on/off-road with as much offroad as possible)... we call them "mutant road rides", mainly because we transformed (mutated) bikes from the 80s that were originally intended for MTBing (e.g. Trek 950, Giant ATX770 and Specialized Stumpjumper), into "all-road bikes" with Schwalbe Fat Frank slicks or Big Apples on em... These bikes were BORN to be mutant!

    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!

    I am running the Titec H-bars... they're awesome. I just swapped out my friction Suntour XC thumbies (sad to say), and went with SRAM XO Gripshifters... Doesn't look nearly as cool, but too many mis-shifts when I least needed it...

    Will post pics from the mutant century ride. The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....
    I fully expect that DP and GT have thrown more than a fair share of dirt our way on this year's TI route based on comments and photos that have been posted. If there was a "Level D" road in the state, I'm fairly certain those two would have found it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!
    Now that most of the ice is gone up here, I switched my tires over to the big Apples too. On my other bike, they were great off-road, as long as I stayed on the hardpack. I plan on doing a couple of trips this summer with the Apples too. Have to love the cush ride on the rough roads. It reminds me of my first bike, a banana-seat number with round, bouncy tires. What a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seankno
    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo?
    We are not ignoring you, this was discussed in the first page of this thread and many other Fargo threads here. You might want to go back and review them first?
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    Anyone have any updates on doing any serious single tracking on the Fargo or are we just talking dirt/gravel here all the time? I suspect GT might have (I have read your previous off road post on twentynineinches). That would be one of my main purposes for a Fargo.

    Sure it's a mountain bike but not seeing a lot of reports of moutain biking being done on it so far, although I'm sure it will hack the abuse.

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    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale
    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL
    Yeah, thanks, i found that just a little while ago myself, it looks more fitting to me, but still on the look for the XXL one.

    Im 191cm tall, so i think its between xl and xxl for me, so id love to check out an xxl as well.

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    Rack question

    I've been using the Surly nice rack. Beautifully designed and functional but heavy for my (non-transcontinental) needs. Anyone tried that Civia rear alumium rack on their Fargo yet? Just concerned about the fit on the bike.

    I need something extremely wide to support my Arkel trunk bag properly. I'm aware of the Tubus cargo for similar weight, just figured the Civia was cheaper and I like the Company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.
    mgersib has a big one. Here's a post from his blog that shows it well: http://dirtstories.blogspot.com/2009...d-new-wtb.html
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