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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Hey Nice setup, looks great. Just wondering why you haven't threaded the gear cables up the handle bars (eg road bikes)? Otherwise that new Junebug looks pretty sweet!
    Thx.

    I think I have seen a few other fargo's setup this way. I used the pre-cut cables that came with the shifters. They would not have been near long enough to route under the tape out the top of the bar. Think it works out ok this way and hasn't interfered with hand position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Thx.

    I think I have seen a few other fargo's setup this way. I used the pre-cut cables that came with the shifters. They would not have been near long enough to route under the tape out the top of the bar. Think it works out ok this way and hasn't interfered with hand position.
    Makes sense, and irrespective of that it's a nice looking ride. Hope ya enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pottser
    Let's show us some more Fargo's BTW I am looking forward to hearing the experiences of Joe Meiser on the Tour Divide Race.
    I just had dinner with Joe and Anni Wednesday night in Lincoln as he was on his way back from the race and man, he had some awesome tales to tell... Good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    I just had dinner with Joe and Anni Wednesday night in Lincoln as he was on his way back from the race and man, he had some awesome tales to tell... Good stuff.
    Tell him to share his stories and pictures

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    As per my blog

    Getting things comfy

    I can’t remember any bike that I’ve owned in the past 15yrs that has caused me so many issues when it comes to getting it dialed in. But has it been worth the hassles?

    I admit that even I was confused when I picked up the Salsa Fargo……should I set it up for road…..or dirt? Originally I set about to kit it out with super skinny tyres to climb the roads through the Port Hills and also to speed up the daily commute to work. Great……it was a a roadie/ commuter…..but it was so bloody uncomfortable. I seemed to always be on the edge of the seat when holding onto the hoods and braking…..it just felt odd and too stretched out. I eventually got around to swapping the stock Salsa post out for a BBB inline post and pushed the seat forward a few more cm on the rails and bingo….it felt right. I knew that I had a short upper body but this was an interesting problem to remedy…..as I’ve never spent any quality time on a road “like” cockpit before and I simply had no idea how it should “feel”. Luckily, the rule I follow is that things should be comfy on a bike and I could feel that that the reach was all out of whack.

    Along with the seat post swap, I’ve also rotated the unique Salsa Moto Ace Lap bars in a way so the hoods are higher and at a better position when resting my hands on them. Comfy. As for Charge bar tape- I biffed that rubbish in favor of the Salsa tape that shipped with the bike so things upfront are super comfy and padded. The Charge tape may have looked nice but that was it. I also took time to wrap the tape lower on the drop bars to cover most of the exposed metal on the bar end shifters- which helps to keep the hands from sitting on bare metal when resting there.

    Talking more about the bars, I’ve flipped the stem about so it now positions them higher. This new position is perfect for all hand combos up front now- even when down in the sweep and braking. With the bars up higher, my fears of bar on top tube contact has also been eased due to their position being slightly higher at the point of contact. Some bar tape has now found its way to this spot to stop any marks if it was to make contact. I’m still going to swap the bars for OneOne Midges though- but I’m now comfortable riding these bars….even the way that they trap my legs seems less scary now.

    I’ve also thrown the WTB tyres back on as well to aid comfort and handling. The Specialized tread have been great- but makes this bike super twitchy and road imperfections are not mellowed out at all when you ride at 100PSI are they? To be honest, these mountain bike tyres are no slower than the roadie tread….they bloody fly! I’m really pleased with how it feels now.

    Time to hit the dirt

    With stuff feeling dandy and armed with some confidence of how the Fargo feels and handles – I decided to get out in the dappled sunlight and rain to go climb on some dirt In typical Christchurch oddness, I was wrapped in layers and a waterproof all the way to the base of the Rapaki Track where the sun then came out and was shining until I returned to the city. Stripping off I headed upwards and with tunes pumping from my iPod I chose a comfy gear and spun to the start of the dirt. It felt kind of retro to be honest as I hit the dirt standing up while powering upwards while hanging onto the drop bars…..but the Fargo just felt “right”. After a few KM I noticed that the freakishly high range of gears on the bike was making my legs work…..infact the range available 48/36/26T is the most punishing that I’ve ridden in the Port Hills. Did it really cause that much trouble for me though? HELL NO Once the Fargo got upto speed with its big wheels it just loves to make you work it harder and harder with instant forward movement. Even riding at 26 x 34 in the mud and slop on the track I passed several riders struggling on their trail bikes as I stood up and powered…..all I needed was a pipe in my mouth as I passed with a nod.

    I’m not sure if it is the 29er wheels that helped me climb so well today or the running and core work I’ve been doing of late. What ever it was, I enjoyed the grind more than I have ever done before on the Rapaki Track….and the fact that I was on such a unique handling ride made it even more fun. Did I mention that the WTB Vulpine tyres are semi slicks too? Surprisingly they managed the climb in the mud quite well. Once at the top of the Rapaki Track I hit the road to the left at speed and off I went. What a buzz it was riding up on dirt and then dropping a few gears and then blasting along the tarmac into the sunshine. Any mountain bike offers the same option, but the Fargo is so so fast that it felt like I was cheating. Priceless.

    All the tracks were closed so I headed along the road and grinded up a few more climbs and opted to head back into the City- things were really cold up there and even with many layers, I was starting to feel it. By the time I got to the City I could not feel my hands, face or toes…..it was below freezing at speed I’m sure……but I was slightly distracted with a grin like a stoner flying downwards. Thankfully, wearing clear glasses helped stop my eyeballs from freezing and falling out I’m still going to have to get used to the Salsa Fargo at speed though- the big wheels seem to have a mind of their own when your hitting speeds of 50+ KM and not so easy to correct as their 26″ cousins. The long rear stays also “come alive” at speed and “fish tailed” …..with the back of the bike wobbling slightly. Not to worry though, as a small shift in body weight rearwards stopped it instantly. As Whafe would say ” I had a few chocolate starfish moments” for sure

    I could not believe how much fun I had today on the Fargo. It was a really unquie feeling being able to ride on dirt at such speed and climb so so well. Even the ride back home came alive on the Fargo with shortcuts through building sites, up and off curbs and obstacles…..anything really. I love this bike and can’t wait to get out on the dirt again….what a buzz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Wow o wow o wow! How does this setup feel and run MG. I love the old school English flared style with brown bar tape on any bike, but you have made it look awesome as on the Fargo. Gosh if that setup works I probably have the right parts to just do a frame. Very interested on your thoughts, otherwise looks mint.
    Thanks man. I'm really diggin' the Mary bar setup. It works perfect too. I love the mountain bike controls... It gets rid of my biggest complaint about riding off-road on road levers -- the front brake lever pivoted freely when I was in the big ring, which made braking going into fast, bumpy corners really sketchy. Now that's all gone and I'm on old, familiar brake levers... And you can't beat XC Pro thumb shifters running an M900 XTR cassette -- it's perfect 8-speed shifting.

    It's the best setup I've had yet, and I've run three different bar/stem setups on my Fargo so far -- the Bell Lap (on a Moto Ace stem), the WTB, (also on a Moto Ace), and now the Mary (on a Cro Moto SUL). I'm sticking with the Mary/Cro Moto combination for the time being.
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    Rear brake cable help...

    Finding long enough rear brake cable (with the road-lever-nub) has been difficult for the Fargo.

    Most brake cables I've found have been too short to reach the rear caliper.

    The issue is the road lever specific cable end-piece-nub. Most road cables are long enough to reach canti brakes, but not a rear disc caliper.

    Any links to the brand or retailers of cables that will work/reach?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    Finding long enough rear brake cable (with the road-lever-nub) has been difficult for the Fargo.

    Most brake cables I've found have been too short to reach the rear caliper.

    The issue is the road lever specific cable end-piece-nub. Most road cables are long enough to reach canti brakes, but not a rear disc caliper.

    Any links to the brand or retailers of cables that will work/reach?

    Thanks.
    I used a bench grinder on the nub to turn it into an upside down pyramid shape. Being careful not to touch the cable.......it wedged into the break lever cable stop pretty well after that.

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    Thanks....

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    I used a bench grinder on the nub to turn it into an upside down pyramid shape. Being careful not to touch the cable.......it wedged into the break lever cable stop pretty well after that.

    Turns out my LBS has'm in stock. Believe that one!!!

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    The easiest thing to remember about the rear brake on a Fargo is... The Fargo uses tandem brake cables. Your local shop can order them from any good distributor.

    The rear der. will also need a tandem length cable if you intend to wrap the shift housing into the handlebar (my favorite for bikepacking and getting rad).

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    I took the Fargo out today for possibly the longest ride I've had on it yet, an out-and-back with about 3.5 hours of high altitude riding that started off on smooth fire road, turned into rough doubletrack, then alternating sections of smooth and rough singletrack. The ride is pretty uncomfortable when descending the rough stuff. It's fine on shorter rides, but it's hard on the body on really long descents. Not sure there's any fix for that other than suspension, though.

    I've been thinking about trying the Mary bar conversion shown above. I like the drop bars OK, but I'm not wild about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    Not only is the review probably incorrect it is also one of the most poorly investigated and written pieces of reviewing I've ever seen. What a load of trash on all accounts. MInd you Bike Radar have never really known what is good unless it's woth $10,000 and has dual suspension they don't like it.

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    Hey JMKM, Where are the pics & report from the TD?

    Us Fargonauts are waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Not only is the review probably incorrect it is also one of the most poorly investigated and written pieces of reviewing I've ever seen. What a load of trash on all accounts. MInd you Bike Radar have never really known what is good unless it's woth $10,000 and has dual suspension they don't like it.
    yeah - a typical bike radar review for google rankings rather than quality insights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    The ride is pretty uncomfortable when descending the rough stuff. It's fine on shorter rides, but it's hard on the body on really long descents. Not sure there's any fix for that other than suspension, though.

    I've been thinking about trying the Mary bar conversion shown above. I like the drop bars OK, but I'm not wild about them.
    Suspension on a Fargo = Tires... I run Stans ZTR Flows with Schwalbe Big Apples (I run em tubeless), and can run at 25-30 psi. Personally I think it's plush.

    My rear suspension is my Brooks Flyer Special (with springs)... Seriously, it helps.

    The Fargo fork is non-suspension-corrected, so adding even a 80mm fork will alter your geometry (if you're OK with that)... but then you'd lose all those cool water bottle braze-ons, and those killer-looking fork dropouts... DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!

    Try the Titec H-bar... It's like a Mary bar on steroids...

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    Fargo Review - Pure Rubbish!

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Not only is the review probably incorrect it is also one of the most poorly investigated and written pieces of reviewing I've ever seen. What a load of trash on all accounts. MInd you Bike Radar have never really known what is good unless it's woth $10,000 and has dual suspension they don't like it.
    I felt compelled to respond on Bike Radar (much as I hated to sign up...) I hope others will also chime in with their disdain for such an inaccurate and lame review. I'm not claiming everyone has to like the Fargo, but the review WAS very weak and in need of correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Suspension on a Fargo = Tires... I run Stans ZTR Flows with Schwalbe Big Apples (I run em tubeless), and can run at 25-30 psi. Personally I think it's plush.

    My rear suspension is my Brooks Flyer Special (with springs)... Seriously, it helps.

    The Fargo fork is non-suspension-corrected, so adding even a 80mm fork will alter your geometry (if you're OK with that)... but then you'd lose all those cool water bottle braze-ons, and those killer-looking fork dropouts... DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!

    Try the Titec H-bar... It's like a Mary bar on steroids...

    Peace,
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    Yeah, I know I can't put a suspension fork on the Fargo; I wouldn't want to anyway. It's perfect for smoother terrain. I already have the Thudbuster ST on the seatpost, but the kind of terrain I'm talking about are long descents where you probably wouldn't be sitting down even on a FS bike. I'm finding myself looking at the Big Mama pages more often than I should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    I took the Fargo out today for possibly the longest ride I've had on it yet, an out-and-back with about 3.5 hours of high altitude riding that started off on smooth fire road, turned into rough doubletrack, then alternating sections of smooth and rough singletrack. The ride is pretty uncomfortable when descending the rough stuff. It's fine on shorter rides, but it's hard on the body on really long descents. Not sure there's any fix for that other than suspension, though.

    I've been thinking about trying the Mary bar conversion shown above. I like the drop bars OK, but I'm not wild about them.
    Try a tubeless WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 at 19psi. That'll get you some nice cush without wacking out your geo. Oh, and you definitely want to do the Mary bar conversion... It's the best of three bars I've run (the other two being the Bell Lap and the WTB).
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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    I felt compelled to respond on Bike Radar (much as I hated to sign up...) I hope others will also chime in with their disdain for such an inaccurate and lame review. I'm not claiming everyone has to like the Fargo, but the review WAS very weak and in need of correction.

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    I got your back on that one too, brother... They were totally off base! Who tested that thing? Did they even ride the bike? Did they even have a bike, or did they just make conjecture from pictures online?!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    I got your back on that one too, brother... They were totally off base! Who tested that thing? Did they even ride the bike? Did they even have a bike, or did they just make conjecture from pictures online?!!
    Yea, I don't get the impression they actually rode it. The Fargo isn't perfect but if I could have only one bike, I would choose the Fargo over all other bikes I have/had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    I took the Fargo out today for possibly the longest ride I've had on it yet, an out-and-back with about 3.5 hours of high altitude riding that started off on smooth fire road, turned into rough doubletrack, then alternating sections of smooth and rough singletrack. The ride is pretty uncomfortable when descending the rough stuff. It's fine on shorter rides, but it's hard on the body on really long descents. Not sure there's any fix for that other than suspension, though.

    I've been thinking about trying the Mary bar conversion shown above. I like the drop bars OK, but I'm not wild about them.
    i got the same impression, when i hit some gnarly descents. couldn't hammer down as agressive as i do with other bikes without gettin' loose and quite uncomfortable. but i think that's ok, because the fargo was never intended to be an all mountain rig or something like that. it's just not possible for one bike to do it all. you just have to take it a bit easier on the rough stuff. and apart from that i'm still impressed how it handles singletrack if it doesn't get too rough. even loaded with gear. the slack steering geometry and the low bb make for a fantastic go kart feeling. fargokart.

    about two weeks ago i got back from the grenzsteintrophy, the first self supported mtb race/ride in europe. i didn't finish (that's another story...) and it wasn't as long as tour divide, but i rode about 620miles in a week and i think the fargo was the perfect rig. seriously, i could'nt think of anything that i would have changed about that bike (except some details like the gearing and adding a light front rack, but that's just minor changes in the build, not the bike itself, especially the frame and the whole concept).
    i will post some pictures from the grenzsteintrophy as soon as i get them ready.



    i'm already thinking about possible routes for new adventures... totally hooked on bikepacking...


    in other news i just recently checked out how much beer i could carry on my tubus rack. that's 11 bottles (5,5litres):

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    Sand Blasting a Fargo?

    Ok, so I'm not really that keen on the stock green paint, just haven't warmed up to it I guess. I'm looking to get it re-powdered, but my question is how to go about the stripping?

    Is there enough wall thickness on these frames to sand blast, or do I need to be more careful, bead blasting or something similar?

    I'm certainly not interested in chemical stripping, unless somebody else is doing it, just don't have the room or the inclination to deal with that mess. The painter I'm looking at can only sand blast the frame, their bead cabinet is too small...

    Any thoughts?

    Oh yeah, leaning toward as a gloss white or a flat black for paint, something a little more inconspicuous.

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    A few pics from the TD.

    The mud started riding across Bannack Bench.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3725875413/" title="Bannack Bench by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/3725875413_64ccce25d3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Bannack Bench" /></a>

    Union Pass in Wyoming

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3726676558/" title="Union Pass by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2579/3726676558_378e71a1db.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Union Pass" /></a>

    Endless Gravel

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3726674990/" title="Grave; by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2427/3726674990_08a0bab6e3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Grave;" /></a>

    Indiana Pass portrait

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3725866307/" title="Indiana Pass by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/3725866307_b116d46c2d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Indiana Pass" /></a>

    The Finish

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3726664324/" title="Finish by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3726664324_2fe0db9342.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Finish" /></a>

    I haven't sat down to start writing my story of the event. It will come.

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    Thank You! I've been waiting for that post like a kid waiting for Christmas.
    Congrats on the TD & the Trans Iowa.
    Look forward to reading and seeing more.

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    A Long Day On A Fargo

    I just finished up my annual Guitar Ted Death Ride Invitational on Saturday. It was a doozy! 118 miles and 6ft shy of 10,000 ft of climbing.........in Iowa!

    The Fargo was the perfect machine, but I think the marbley gravel that was freshly laid down over 80% of the route wasn't a good match for the Vulpines. Anyway, it was a great ride and the water bottles were perfectly placed and all useable. (I went with five). I'm going to get an Epic Designs seat bag for this and it'll be perfecto! I was pleased with the positioning and everything went well in that regard. I think the STI type shifting might have to make an appearance, but the bar ends work and are pretty fail safe. I dunno. (I've been plotting to have mounts made for X0 shifters, but haven't done that yet.)

    At any rate, the ultimate gravel long distance exploration machine!
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    Hey......Salsa Fargo review is up on Dirt Rag on-line now.

    http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/arti...=stuff_reviews

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    Front disc tab grief....

    I'm building up a frame right now and running into a front disc tab-rotor clearance problem.

    Shimano Deore Hubs and Avid Mountain 2009 Mechs.


    The front disc tab seems too far inboard. It pushes the Avid mounting hardware - specifically the washers - inboard so far that they rub on the rotor.

    Anyone else have this issue?

    I put a call into Salsa and am waiting on their reply.

    Filling down the washers should be no big deal but then when I put a second wheelset in (different hubs) and readjust the mounts that's going to throw every thing off when I reinstall the first wheelset.


    I can't remember the last time I built up a frame and didn't have some sort of "issue" to wrestle with.

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    I had the same issue with my fargo, would fit with one wheelset, but not another. I ended up trying to cold set the mount per salsa's instructions, which helped a little, but I still couldn't get the clearance without rotating the mount out of alignment with the rotor.

    Salsa was great and sent me a new fork through a local shop, but it didn't really improve the situation. In the end, I ended up selling off the non-usable wheelset. The replacement fork mount was identical to the naked eye to my original fork.

    I like the frame/fork quite a bit, but this little issue was a bit of a bummer. I feel it's a pecularity of this frame and that's the way it is. Bike components are not a universal fit and occasionally they just don't all work together..

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    Today's ride photo

    Salsa Fargo, Bruce Gordon Rock 'n' Road, and a big oak
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    Salsa Fargo Adventure #2

    Another Twin Cities Fargo Adventure Ride happened over the weekend. I guess it might be considered a Fargo Owners Club Ride or something. We had seven of us at one point, all riding Fargos. Pretty cool!

    Read about it here: http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...-overdose.html

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    Fargo version 1.5

    Here's Fargo version 1.5 for me. I did the Mary Bar conversion that was shown by MG, and I switched to the 2.55 Weirwolf in front. These modifications definitely make for a better singletrack and rough-road Fargo, at least for me. On my first singletrack ride I was able to clean an obstacle that I'd never been able to come close on using the drop bars. I used the same stem as before and it seems OK; maybe a a little high but I can deal with it for the moment.

    Version 2.0 will probably be a tubeless system on wider rims. The other issue I need to think about is the result of going 2000' downhill in 3 miles on some of the jeep roads around here. I've been told that the BB7s don't work that well with larger rotors. Should I go hyrdaulic? Or just stop more often?
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    I have the BB7's with 185mm G3 rotors front and back on my Fargo. I was surprised with how good the stopping power was. The modulation was also better than I expected. A tight fit with the caliper on the back but doable.

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    +1 to Doug's comments on the BB7s. I'm running BB7s on my Fargo with 185mm rotors up front, and I'm very pleased at the result. Stopping power is excellent, with only a light touch needed. I have no complaints about modulation.

    I like your Mary Bar setup. Someday I'm going to find a place that stocks those.

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    New Fargo!

    My med framed Fargo arrived Sat and was ready for the AM commute! Considered a frame and fork, however, the price with XT was too good. Now for the changes: Wheels. For the commute, considering Mavic Speed City's. With a tire swap, these will probably be the gravel setup also. Opinions / options?

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    For you all running Mary bars- Do you find the wrapped middle portion of the bar to be a viable/comfortable position? I know the grips are where I'd be in rough stuff, but the middle seems like it might be decent for cruising/resting. What do you who are running them think? I'm debating between those or the soon to be released Luxy's or [fabled] new Salsa bars..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    For you all running Mary bars- Do you find the wrapped middle portion of the bar to be a viable/comfortable position? I know the grips are where I'd be in rough stuff, but the middle seems like it might be decent for cruising/resting. What do you who are running them think? I'm debating between those or the soon to be released Luxy's or [fabled] new Salsa bars..
    I have run a similar bar, the "Space Bar" and have observed my buddies set ups as we rode. I think on longer climbs and maybe on some flat, smoother roads the middle section works, but for most riding, I didn't use, nor did I observe my buddies using that section of the bar. This was just my personal observation, and please do not take it as a condemnation of a Mary Bar's versatility.

    On the "fabled" Salsa drop bar: It is coming. I have seen and held the prototypes. It'll be awhile though before they are ready, methinks.
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    ee ay ess

    I was one of the guys with G-Ted and run the Space Bar. I will be getting the Mary soon since it has a longer flat part for the grips and shifters. I used the spot you are talking about quite a bit. Most likely it's the most used part of my bar. I don't like the middle part when out of the saddle climbing though. Just feels a bit odd. I use Ergon paddle grips and LOVE it! My bar is also run upside down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I have run a similar bar, the "Space Bar" and have observed my buddies set ups as we rode. I think on longer climbs and maybe on some flat, smoother roads the middle section works, but for most riding, I didn't use, nor did I observe my buddies using that section of the bar. This was just my personal observation, and please do not take it as a condemnation of a Mary Bar's versatility.

    On the "fabled" Salsa drop bar: It is coming. I have seen and held the prototypes. It'll be awhile though before they are ready, methinks.
    I agree that the center section of the Mary bar is more of a "cruising" position, or one for smoother sections. If it's rough, you're on the grips. I do however use the position at the bend, hooking my thumb on the bar and resting my fingers over the brake levers and shifters. That's a good alternate position on gravel roads... gets your hands/arms in a bit narrower and your back a bit flatter.

    The new Salsa bar is gonna' be nice... A definite evolution of the breed. But yeah, it'll be a little bit before it's out. They're still playing with the bends to get it just right. You know them... They're perfectionists.
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    New question here.

    Hi. I have been lurking for a week or two. I am a roadie, but interested in the Fargo for touring and some low level trail riding (I ride trails at a low level!). I e-mailed Salsa today asking about the new handlebars and just got a cryptic answer to check the website at the end of September. I guess it's worth waiting to see what changes are afoot instead of pulling the trigger now. Does anyone know if there are any other changes planned for the Fargo?

    On another note, the whole frame bag thing is a totally new concept for me. How much stuff can you get in a frame bag? Does it ever get in the way or rub against your legs? Do crosswinds affect your bike significantly with a frame bag?

    Thanks!

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    Joel,

    Welcome to the freak show. I can't speak to the changes to bike spec., but I can speak to the ride of the bike. I am however biased...

    On Frame bags. Your questions and concerns are the same as many that haven't used them. This past summer I rode the Great Divide Trail/Tour Divide Race from Banff to the Mexican border. 2750 miles on the Fargo with Epic Designs bags, self supported. I had no problems with Leg rubbing, or crosswinds.

    I can go into details here, but you can find it all here: www.eojmeiser.blogspot.com

    There are photos of my setup and kit all layed out. Your reminding me that I need to lay this out again and take some photos.

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    Joe,

    Thanks so much!

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    I do not know changes made to the Fargo but it is a bike I'm crazy about. I will have to go check out the site. You might check out 29inches.com for more info?

    As far as cycling with "frame bags" (panniers), I have no experience but there is a ton of information on www.crazyguyonabike.com

    My wife & I would love to ride across the country some day so I have been investigating differnet suitable bikes as well.

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    Joel, After a couple of short townie rides, I switch out the Salsa Bell Lap bars for some carbon road bars from the parts bin. These are 42 cm c to c. I found the Salsa bar with 44 cm at the grip and a whopping 50 cm in the drops too wide for my tastes. I've got the saddle set at 750 from bb center, reversed the stem and left one 5 mm shim under it (med frame). It is very comfortable in the drops for me. I'm commuting and then using it for gravel/paved b road on the weekends. I did a short single track bit one day and the in the drops position very closely mimic my mtb. I guess if your riding a lot of technical or flailing your knees about you might not like the narrow bars. The bike is a heavy pig, but it soaks up the miles on gravel / rough pavement. I am going to be comfortable on some very long rides! Get one! James

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    James,

    Thanks for the info. I have a pair of 44 or 46 Nitto Noodle bars on my Rivendell, so I am used to that size, although the drop may be a bit deep to comfortably work bar end shifters. I will probably start with the stock bars and consider something like the Soma June bug bars if things don't work out. I have called around and none of the Salsa dealers in the NY metro area have a Fargo to demo. I called Salsa HQ and had a nice conversation with Eric. He was helpful with sizing and bar set up, based on my current road bike. I am going to sleep on it for a night or two, but I am pretty close to pulling the trigger. I am sure that I will have some more dumbassed questions before long.

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    i went for a little bikepacking trip last weekend. it was pretty rad. i love this bike!

    here's some pictures from the night:








    one from the next day (the mesa in the background is the one i camped on. right on the edge)



    and a little video:
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    Martin,

    Very inspiring pix and video!

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    Awesome video, Martin! Thanks for sharing!

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    I am breaking in my Salsa on miles of hot dusty roads this summer. Here are a few pics of my Fargo:



    ready to roll



    a proper amount of mud





    oh the places you'll go

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    The Fargo under the starry sky is my favorite. I really enjoyed your video too.

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    Thanks Martin for clarifying a point!

    From your video I can see that the fargo can eat up the rough terrain quite nicely!!

    Did you get any back pain or any pain in the hands because of not having suspension?

    Thanks!
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    Excellent!!

    Martn- That video is great. I noticed a few things in it:

    -A Fargo set up for bikepacking can go to some pretty rad places!
    -Riding rigid is okay, even in dual suspension land. You just need to pick the right lines.
    -The nose wheelie where you stopped to refresh at the spring- nice!!
    - A refreshing break from all the helmet cam angles posted lately!

    Great work on the video. Well done. I really enjoyed that.

    And that pic of the Fargo under the stars?


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    Really sweet video. Nice work! Some day I want to come ride with you in Germany.

    I was trying to figure out who the band was. Nebula. Thanks for that. They sound a great deal like one of my personal fave bands Fu Man Chu.
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    First ride=love

    Hi all,

    Just got my Fargo built today (pics to follow). On my first ride I decided I love the bike, but the gearing isn't quite right. I have an XT 44-32-22 crank and I think I want to go the 48-36-26 route Salsa does with their complete bike. Anyone know if I can go to that chainring setup and keep my M770 front derailleur? It seems Shimano makes a specific one for the 48t chainring. First long ride next weekend.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flakbait
    I have an XT 44-32-22 crank and I think I want to go the 48-36-26 route Salsa does with their complete bike. Anyone know if I can go to that chainring setup and keep my M770 front derailleur?
    FWIW, I once tried to go in the opposite direction: tried to use a derailer from a 48/36/26 chainring set with a 44/32/22 set. It was a terrible match. It didn't work well at all. I gave up and bought the correct derailer for the cranks that I was running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick
    FWIW, I once tried to go in the opposite direction: tried to use a derailer from a 48/36/26 chainring set with a 44/32/22 set. It was a terrible match. It didn't work well at all. I gave up and bought the correct derailer for the cranks that I was running.

    Thanks, I think I'll just get a new derailleur to avoid headaches. Here's the bike.
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    I've found the high mount/bottom pull front derailleurs to be ideal on the Fargo. They offer tons of mud clearance over the low mount. These have worked on two Fargo's for me, both with 48, 36, 22 setups. One without shift ramps on the rings at all, one with ramps that are now nearly gone after 1000's of miles.

    The bike is looking clean. I assume you'll cut the steerer after getting fit dialed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    I've found the high mount/bottom pull front derailleurs to be ideal on the Fargo. They offer tons of mud clearance over the low mount. These have worked on two Fargo's for me, both with 48, 36, 22 setups. One without shift ramps on the rings at all, one with ramps that are now nearly gone after 1000's of miles.

    The bike is looking clean. I assume you'll cut the steerer after getting fit dialed?
    Thanks! Ordered a new derailleur with the new chainrings. Hopefully I can sell the others. Cutting the steerer tomorrow at work. Definitely not going to need the bar any higher than it is. You can get a 36-22 shift to work? or did you mean 36-26?

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    Nope, it is a 36-22. I wanted the 22 for a bailout on the divide.

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    Frame bag capacity?

    I haven't been able to find the capacity of the Epic Design frame bags. Does anybody know what it would be for the flared and non-flared version or even for the seat bags? This would be good information for anyone wrestling with pannier vs. frame bag or combined system questions.

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    From the Epic Website

    Seat Bag:
    Standard: 600-800 cu in (13L ish)
    Super Twinke: 800-1000++ cu in (16L ish)

    Frame Bag obviously depends on your frame size. It should be approximately the inside height of your frame triangle times the inside length, in inches. (Assume a triangle, 2 inches wide times the area)

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    Salsa Fargo / Epic Design bag capacities

    I asked Eric what the sizes were as well. Here is what he had to say:

    Hi Nathan,
    This should help, generally I try to avoid calculating volumes and try more to put it into gear size terms.
    The handlebar harness works best with dry bags in the 10-18L range, then the front pocket holds another 250 cu in.
    The seat bag is quite variable, but it holds about 10L give or take, I'd say 8-12L is the real range.
    Frame bags - I make then 2.5" wide which goes to about 3" wide in the middle which can expand a bit wider between dividers. So that X the area of the triangle. The 20" is quite a bit larger than the 18" fargo. To those who have not used them before, most people are amazed at how much you can carry in them.
    Cheers,
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    So I treated the frame triangle as if it were square at the seat tube and top tube and estimated a conservative 7L using 2.5" for the width. It is conservative because I did not account for the change in width over the area of the bag. I also don't have physical measurements, just those on the Salsa website. And there are custom features or the flared option to consider.

    So my rough estimates are:

    Seat bag 8 - 12 L
    Frame bag 7 - 10 L
    Handlebar Harness 10 - 18 L

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    w/ Speed City Wheels-

    Here is my Fargo in commuter mode. 700c Mavic Speed City wheels, WTB Pathway tire (32mm). This also works for most of the hard pack gravel and dirt so far. A bit skittish on steep descents where the road has been recently graded without a tire tracks remade. I mounted a pair of Conti cross tires to the Salsa 29 in wheels for a bit more contact when the gravel conditions are not so ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    Nope, it is a 36-22. I wanted the 22 for a bailout on the divide.
    I think I remember reading somewhere that you are running a 16-27t 6 speed set up. What full cassette does that spider come from?

    I was thinking about running a 17-34 xt cassette, but a 16-27 might work better for what I want...depending on chainring set up I end up on too. ...Thanks!

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    Jayb, that's a really nice pic of your Fargo and the fall leaves are just the right backdrop for your bike. Do you use more cables to lock up your bike? I would be paranoid about bike thieves stealing it.

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    ee ay ess,

    I ran a 12-34 cassette on the divide and a 12-27 cassette around Minnesota. I've not tried a 6-Speed cassette setup.

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    Fargal, Thanks. Yes it look precarious, but it is only a few feet from and in full view of the front desk and would be a pretty ballsy move to take it as everyone knows me as the 'freak' who rides to work. Ha!

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    I'm just getting back to this forum to post a few pics and parts regarding my fargo build. This forum helped me a lot when I was trying to piece my bike together. Now that I have 1600 miles under my fargo tires - I'd like to mention all 1600 miles the bike has been rigged as a fully loaded touring mule. I'd also like to say that at the end of July I finished an 850 mile tour from Vancouver BC up up the big hill Cayoosh over north to Mt Robson then down to Alberta ending at the big dern rodeo. The bike was stellar. I mean that. The whole tour was great time and I just can't wait unitl the my two week X-mas break so I can load up and head south.

    Had the ss-couplers installed so I could fly the bike to touring destinations. The concept works with some fussing at packing time - but worth it in the end.

    Notables - The front deraileur is sooo sweet, the flat dimension h-bars are a nice change, the platform pedals grip my shoes nicely. I switched the low ring on the Sugino to a 24....and OH, that bike lock is just too heavy to take on a tour -period. That lock is very nice to have around town though.

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    Thanks for looking. Mike edit: sorry all -Looks like I'll be posting the pictures later.
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    I'm replacing the cables/housing on my Fargo along with some other parts...and I'm not sure, but I think I remember the rear cables needing to be tandem length? Anyone know for sure? Is it both brake and derailleur?

    The first time setting it up I just ran whatever I had in my parts bin and got a rear brake cable from the LBS...would like to run better stuff this time around and want to get the right thing!

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    EE AY ESS,

    Yes, you should use tandem cables for both shift and der. housing. I tend to run my cables under the bar tape for both shift and brake. It keeps the bars clean looking and makes shifts quite easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Riemer
    Really sweet video. Nice work! Some day I want to come ride with you in Germany.

    I was trying to figure out who the band was. Nebula. Thanks for that. They sound a great deal like one of my personal fave bands Fu Man Chu.
    yeah, nebula are great. i'm gonna see them next week (maybe even twice). they're an awesome live band too. and actually the founding members played in fu manchu before they split and started nebula, so your association is no coincidence.



    thanks for the feedback on the photos and the video guys! i appreciate it.


    and gt, as you mentioned dual suspension land... here's some bonus material:

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajoe
    ...........................

    thanks for the feedback on the photos and the video guys! i appreciate it.


    and gt, as you mentioned dual suspension land... here's some bonus material:
    Hey, you are welcome and thank you for posting/taking the time to make the videos. Very cool.

    On the bonus: Nice! I like the two FS rigs, then seeing the Fargo, which just really sticks out like a sore thumb. That is really great! Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    Here's Fargo version 1.5 for me. I did the Mary Bar conversion that was shown by MG, and I switched to the 2.55 Weirwolf in front. These modifications definitely make for a better singletrack and rough-road Fargo, at least for me. On my first singletrack ride I was able to clean an obstacle that I'd never been able to come close on using the drop bars. I used the same stem as before and it seems OK; maybe a a little high but I can deal with it for the moment.

    Version 2.0 will probably be a tubeless system on wider rims. The other issue I need to think about is the result of going 2000' downhill in 3 miles on some of the jeep roads around here. I've been told that the BB7s don't work that well with larger rotors. Should I go hyrdaulic? Or just stop more often?
    Nice... That's hot. Once you go tubeless, you're gonna' be super stoked. As for the brakes, I'm kind of struggling with the same question you are. I think I'm going to go with a big rotor first, then will likely ultimately go with hydraulic brakes. It's probably inevitable...

    The Fargo is a radical ride with the upside-down Mary though, isn't it? It opens up a whole new world of riding possibilities without any real downsides. I like it.

    Nice work, my friend.

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    So I was cleaning my Fargo yesterday- and found what seems to be a crack on the underside of the BB that stops half way on the top side No where near the welds- maybe 4cm in from the BB spacers. At first i thought it was oil or road grime.......but.

    It is clearly a crack that when you rub your nail over it- is obvious. The bike shop where i picked it up from is open late tomorrow so i'll take it in for a closer look.

    I'm hoping that it is the paint that has cracked- but even so- it has been ridden for 2 months on a 15KM daily road commute- so hardly what I would call stressful on the bike.

    Has anyone else experienced cracking of the enamel like (?) paint or tubes?

    I'll post photos once i have the bike shop take of the cracks etc to examine it. Needless to say- this is a first for me.........but i'm sure i'll be looked after what ever it is.

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    Here is a pic. I'll update what the LBS says tonight. The hair line crack runs from here all the way to centre of cable guide on bottom....



    super large image here:

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    Isn't she pretty though....


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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Nice... That's hot. Once you go tubeless, you're gonna' be super stoked. As for the brakes, I'm kind of struggling with the same question you are. I think I'm going to go with a big rotor first, then will likely ultimately go with hydraulic brakes. It's probably inevitable...

    The Fargo is a radical ride with the upside-down Mary though, isn't it? It opens up a whole new world of riding possibilities without any real downsides. I like it.

    Nice work, my friend.

    Cheers,
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    I got stressed out about tubeless, so I bought a Gordo front wheel and discovered I can run 20psi on the Weirwolf over rough terrain with no flats. The current problem is that the wheel change has brought with it the worst brake squeal I've ever heard. A cleaning didn't help. The pads look OK but I'm thinking of changing them just to see if it fixes the squeal.

    The flipped Mary Bar totally rules. Salsa should sell it as an option on the factory bike if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    Here is a pic. I'll update what the LBS says tonight. The hair line crack runs from here all the way to centre of cable guide on bottom....
    Pull the cable guide off and see if it's coming from the hole for the screw, That would most likely be where a crack would start. You'd likely have to scrape some paint to tell for sure. I would be stunned if it is actually a crack in the shell, looks more like a scratch. Any creaking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigIf
    Pull the cable guide off and see if it's coming from the hole for the screw, That would most likely be where a crack would start. You'd likely have to scrape some paint to tell for sure. I would be stunned if it is actually a crack in the shell, looks more like a scratch. Any creaking?
    No creaking & that's a good point- I'll get the bike shop to take a look at the screw hole tonight. I think that they will have to take out the BB too and check inside for a crack too.

    Lets hope it is a scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    Isn't she pretty though....
    She's stunning! What did you name her?

    Looking at the photo it looks like a superficial scratch. Let's hope that's what it is.

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    About those WTB marshmallow tires....

    I love 'em!!


    I've run tubeless Kendas and Specialized on my other mtb and I am really enjoying TALL tires. Just ordered my Mavic Crossmax 29er rims and I'm counting the days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    Here is a pic. I'll update what the LBS says tonight. The hair line crack runs from here all the way to centre of cable guide on bottom....



    super large image here:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/...5d781d80_o.jpg

    Isn't she pretty though....

    I'd be pretty surprised if that was an actual crack in the frame. I have a few similar scratches on my Fargo in that area caused by a couple of chains dropped off the granny... They are of no consequence.

    I suspect your dealer will tell you to continue to ride and smile, which it sounds like you've been doing a great job of for quite a while now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    I'd be pretty surprised if that was an actual crack in the frame. I have a few similar scratches on my Fargo in that area caused by a couple of chains dropped off the granny... They are of no consequence.

    I suspect your dealer will tell you to continue to ride and smile, which it sounds like you've been doing a great job of for quite a while now!

    Cheers,
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    Thanks. Yes the dealer invited me to his house after work yesterday and he took a look. I've marked it with a pen to see if it grows in size- he is not concerned. If it does develop into more than what it is currently- he said it will be fixed up no problem.

    Still riding and smiling........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    Thanks. Yes the dealer invited me to his house after work yesterday and he took a look. I've marked it with a pen to see if it grows in size- he is not concerned. If it does develop into more than what it is currently- he said it will be fixed up no problem.

    Still riding and smiling........
    Cool. That's great to hear. Sounds like you've got a good dealer... And if it turns into something, you're in good hands.

    Have fun!

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    So it is a crack?

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    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    lol. sorry guys. missed the posts. well, to be honest we just don't know and we are keeping an eye on it.

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    Looks like the new bar made it to interbike. I'm getting one just for of the name

    http://www.speedgoat.com/blog.asp

    http://twentynineinches.com/2009/09/...or-demo-day-1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigIf
    Looks like the new bar made it to interbike. I'm getting one just for of the name

    http://www.speedgoat.com/blog.asp

    http://twentynineinches.com/2009/09/...or-demo-day-1/
    I can't really see any difference in these bars to what is currently offered on the Fargo Maybe it is the angle of the image?

    Are they more "Midge like"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    I can't really see any difference in these bars to what is currently offered on the Fargo Maybe it is the angle of the image?

    Are they more "Midge like"

    Hard to tell from the picture. They're definitely shorter and shallower. Maybe flare more too. I'm anxious to see some specs. The top of the drop doesn't flare as much as my Soma, which I think I'd like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigIf
    Looks like the new bar made it to interbike. I'm getting one just for of the name

    http://www.speedgoat.com/blog.asp

    http://twentynineinches.com/2009/09/...or-demo-day-1/
    Hope that name sticks it's brilliant. I am sure the Coen brothers would approve.
    Great sense of humor, got to love those Salsa guys and gals.

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    This is what I found on the salsa-site
    WOODCHIPPER™ BAR

    Multi-position, off-road drop bars
    Bars bend along three planes to create extra wide lowers while still maintaining a shallow drop
    Ergonomic design works well with integrated road shift/brake levers
    Bar ends accept bar end shifters
    Front cable groove for clean cable routing
    80mm drop, 110mm reach, 38° drop angle
    42cm and 46cm widths
    25.4mm is AL-6061, 46cm is 353 grams
    31.8mm is AL-7075, 46cm is 332 grams
    Black bead-blast finish

    Sounds and looks good to me. I like to try one soon om my Fargo. I would like to know how they measure the width. It is hard to believe that they measure the end-of-bars-width. Does anyone know. I like my Bell Laps 44 cm I use now.

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    I am looking to purchase a Fargo. The nearest dealer is 120 miles from where I live. Should I purchase one over the internet? If so who do ya'll recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Behindbars
    I am looking to purchase a Fargo. The nearest dealer is 120 miles from where I live. Should I purchase one over the internet? If so who do ya'll recommend?
    I bought mine from Cambria Bike....no issues at all.

    http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.a...FRAME+SET+2009

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    Fargo Touring

    Just got home from a 5 day trip in southern Oregon and northern CA. Ran full panniers front and back as well as rack and handle bar bags. Other than some minor shimmy the first day due to my rear panniers being set back to far the bike handled it all great. The bike was super comfortable over some serious mileage.

    The last day we unloaded the gear and did the loop around Crater lake.

    Our route:

    Sat 19-Sep-2009 81.2miles 6:51time Gold Hill, Or to Yreka, CA
    Sun 20-Sep-2009 83.3miles 6:38 time Yreka, CA to Happy Camp, CA
    Mon 21-Sep-2009 58.9miles 5:56 time Happy Camp, CA to Cave Junction, OR
    Tue 22-Sep-2009 92.5miles 7:27time Cave Junction, OR to Gold Hill, OR
    Wed 23-Sep-2009 32.9miles 3:21time Crater Lake, OR loop

    A few pics of the me and the Fargo.......

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3950975735/" title="Oregon Tour by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2462/3950975735_d353cbb261_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Oregon Tour" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3951752956/" title="Oregon Tour by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3448/3951752956_4cbebc6760_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Oregon Tour" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3950975285/" title="Oregon Tour by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2522/3950975285_0ee92bf83e_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Oregon Tour" /></a>

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    Nice pix. Are those the stock handlebars?

    Joel

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    I can't really see any difference in these bars to what is currently offered on the Fargo Maybe it is the angle of the image?

    Are they more "Midge like"
    The bars can best be described as a cross between a Midge and an old WTB drop. They have 80mm of reach, a very shallow drop, and are very swept out, unlike Midges. Also very different from the Midge, the Woodchipper has long extensions, will come in two clamp sizes, and two widths.

    On the width- The 46cm is freaking ginormous. I like it, but it is wider than the current Midge by a good bit. Those who are afraid of the width might opt for the 42cm.

    By the way, the Woodchipper isn't much of anything like a Bell Lap. And I would expect that the Woodchipper may very well become the bar that Fargo completes come with next year. I don't know that for certain, but that's my hunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomander
    Nice pix. Are those the stock handlebars?

    Joel
    Thx.

    No, the bars are Soma Junebug.

    http://www.thebikebiz.com/Soma_Juneb...-bar-mer01.htm

    I put gel pads on the drops and tops and find that setup really comfortable.

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    I just got some intel that at some point over the winter, the Fargo specs are going to be changed. The kit will change to SLX and Deore and the newer bikes will come with the new Woodchipper bars. I am clueless when it comes to mountain bikes and would love some advice. Which set up seems better? Would you buy a bike with the current stuff or wait? Thanks for helping this waffling lurker.

    Joel

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    Here's a photo of Mad Max on a high altitude jeep road exploration mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The bars can best be described as a cross between a Midge and an old WTB drop. They have 80mm of reach, a very shallow drop, and are very swept out, unlike Midges. Also very different from the Midge, the Woodchipper has long extensions, will come in two clamp sizes, and two widths.

    On the width- The 46cm is freaking ginormous. I like it, but it is wider than the current Midge by a good bit. Those who are afraid of the width might opt for the 42cm.

    By the way, the Woodchipper isn't much of anything like a Bell Lap. And I would expect that the Woodchipper may very well become the bar that Fargo completes come with next year. I don't know that for certain, but that's my hunch.
    Wider =

    I'm in the process of chopping off the bottom part of the stock bars to clear up some space for my knees. I think that this will help alot with riding off road on a small frame.

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