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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Anyone have any updates on doing any serious single tracking on the Fargo or are we just talking dirt/gravel here all the time? I suspect GT might have (I have read your previous off road post on twentynineinches). That would be one of my main purposes for a Fargo.

    Sure it's a mountain bike but not seeing a lot of reports of moutain biking being done on it so far, although I'm sure it will hack the abuse.
    I'm riding my Fargo pretty much exclusively as a singletrack bike right now. I bought it with the intention of doing gravel exploration, but that just hasn't happened yet.

    I think it makes a great singletrack bike, but my previous experience is exclusively on older hardtails, nothing high-end. I like it enough that I don't ride my other bike anymore. The only problem I see is the low bottom bracket. The trails here are rocky, and pedal strikes aren't uncommon for me. I have done a little damage to the big chainring too, but I've since learned when to dismount, which doesn't really bother me much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfuller
    I fully expect that DP and GT have thrown more than a fair share of dirt our way on this year's TI route based on comments and photos that have been posted. If there was a "Level D" road in the state, I'm fairly certain those two would have found it by now.

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    Sorry about the off topic here, but I couldn't resist:

    Actually, I did find a Level C that I almost put in the route.

    I was pretty tempted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    I've been using the Surly nice rack. Beautifully designed and functional but heavy for my (non-transcontinental) needs. Anyone tried that Civia rear alumium rack on their Fargo yet? Just concerned about the fit on the bike.

    I need something extremely wide to support my Arkel trunk bag properly. I'm aware of the Tubus cargo for similar weight, just figured the Civia was cheaper and I like the Company.
    I grabbed some ordinary rack from the junk pile at the shop, just to prove a point that any rear rack could work, and it did. It cleared my Geax Saguaros, but just barely.

    As for front racks, I am not satisfied with any current choices. I am having a custom one made. I don't want to haul front panniers, so this will only be for hauling a sleeping bag, or small rack top bag for extra clothing and food.

    When I get it I'll post it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    mgersib has a big one. Here's a post from his blog that shows it well: http://dirtstories.blogspot.com/2009...d-new-wtb.html
    Thank you, but that is also a 22" size, im looking for the even bigger one thats supposed to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Anyone have any updates on doing any serious single tracking on the Fargo or are we just talking dirt/gravel here all the time? I suspect GT might have (I have read your previous off road post on twentynineinches). That would be one of my main purposes for a Fargo.

    Sure it's a mountain bike but not seeing a lot of reports of moutain biking being done on it so far, although I'm sure it will hack the abuse.
    from the first two singletrack rides i did so far i have to say it's rippin'. it's a bit of a pain to get the front wheel up for bunny hops (as expected due the long chainstays) but it's manageable.

    i'm also surprised about the sizing. i wasn't sure if i should go for l or xl and went for l since it was availabe on short term. it doesn't feel to small at all.

    fitting and handling felt a bit weird first (it's my first 29er), but as soon as i hit some singletrack i was sold and everything felt right.
    then i loaded some luggage on the rear rack and strapped my sleeping bag to the handlebar and was even more surprised, that the handling wasn't affected nearly as much as i expected.

    i will post some pictures later, now i have to fix that fork problem (i managed to mount the brake with a paperthin gap, but i didn't really like it that close...)

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    Fargo club Application

    Hey All, I am submitting my application to join the Fargo club....

    Frame - Fargo (size small)
    Brake levers - Avid Speeddail 7
    Cassette 11 to 34 SRAM 951
    chain - SRAM PG950 with 3 added links
    crank - 48, 36,26 tooth 175 Truvative FireX
    Fenders - Planet Bike Cascadia
    Front Der - Sram X9
    Wheels - XT hub Mvic 29er rim 32 spoke, 1.8/2.0 steel w/brass
    Grips/tape - Ergon Reguar
    bar - Origin8 Space Bar
    headset - FSA Orbit
    Rear Der - long cage 9 spd SRAM X9
    seat post - Salsa 27.2
    shifters - thumb 9spd Sram X9's
    stem - 90mm 107deg Dimension - may go longer
    Tires - WTB Nano Raptor 2.1
    pedals - Time Z-Platform
    Rear Rack - Bontrager 700c
    Front Rack - Axiom Journey2 Lowrider

    I got my first ride in today covering pavement, gravel toe paths, basic single track, rutted out dirt roads, and a small "BMX" style area in a local park. I was excited to get this bike and totally underestimated how it turned out! This bike is the most fun to ride of anything I've been on! Hats off to the folks at Salsa for creating such a fun well done bike!

    Guitar Ted - I know you advised me to get the Mary Bar but I had a lot of trouble finding a deal on one and the Space Bar was half the price. Not knowing if I would like the sweep I went cheap. Happy for now though.

    I did just stick a standard 700c Bontrager Rack on the back and an Axiom Journey 2 Lowrider on the front. I had to put the lowrider on the opposite sides that it was labeled to get things to line up. Any advice on that would be great.

    Again, I can't express how stoked I am to ride this bike. Thanks to all involved with bringing this bike to life
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    Good job!

    Very nice build!!! I ride with H-bars, which are fairly similar to the Mary/Space Bar... I think these are perfect for the Fargo, and it's nice to see a variety of bar choices. With the Ergon grips you can ride all day...

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    Nice ride, intocoman! I like the set up.

    I used Space Bars with Ergon grips before as well, great combo.

    The lowrider mount looks okay. I just don't think anything really works just right for front racks with a Fargo though. (My opinion) I am having one made, as I stated a few posts ago, to "fix" that issue for myself. (I won't be using front panniers) That said, your set up is worth a try. It very well may work fine for you.
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    So far I really like the Ergon's and the space bar, but this is my first experience with either. I am hoping to be able to ride it all day, looks like it will be that way. Having all the drop bar hand positions is nice, but if you have one good setup, you won't need to move your hands as much. Especially if you aren't looking for every edge you can find, like the pros. I have found that the Mary/Space shape has two good positions at the grips and at the crook.

    My concern currently about the rack is that the weight will be shifted farther forward, not sure if it matters or not. Having done some paved touring rides with lowriders I really like the feel. I'm pretty anxious to see your rack GT. I may have to get out my compass and pencil and find a tube bender. How big is my market if I can come up with a Fargo set of lowriders? I have the design skill and CAD resources, just can't bend and weld AL if anybody is interested in a project!!

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    i promised some pictures, so here we go...





    the red one is a supersweet dailybread cycles build.


    and now for some loaded action...













    and finally my tarp arrived on friday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    ......I'm pretty anxious to see your rack GT. I may have to get out my compass and pencil and find a tube bender. How big is my market if I can come up with a Fargo set of lowriders? I have the design skill and CAD resources, just can't bend and weld AL if anybody is interested in a project!!
    Thanks! I'm pretty anxious myself, as I will be hoping to use it at an event May 30th!

    If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion- Do the rack, and do it in steel. A true adventurer's rack in steel would be repairable by most any torch wielder you can find, if you are on a tour and the rack needs repairs. Plus, you'll avoid all the artificial aging and heat treatment issues aluminum presents.

    Just a thought for ya.
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    GT - I understand your comments on steel, might be easier to prototype as well.

    Also - stupid Job! Must fight desire to ride off on Fargo adventures.

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    Hello - thought I'd chime in. Am still waiting for my frame. Sounds like it might be one more week. AAGH! On the very good side I received the wheels today. PW black hubs 36 hole mavic A719 rims. These looks to be very sturdy wheels. I'd get some pictures but so far I just have a pile of parts. If I get the bike put together in the next week, that'll give me about 5 weeks to break it in before my summer Vancouver to Calgary tour. Yeah Baby - can't wait.

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    Took the GreenMile out for its first run today. I am so fired up! I haven't had this much fun on a bike since I was 10. Roads, trails, curbs, uphill, downhill this bike takes it all like champ. OldMan Mountain racks I used on my rear sus bike worked like a charm. Way to go Salsa. This is the bike I have been waiting for......

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    Can one of you guys tell me what model number front derailleur works on the Fargo? I know that it is an XT bottom pull, but I can't find the model number on the Salsa website. Thanks.
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    Saw this on the Salsa website:

    Props to Joe Meiser, Winner of Trans Iowa 5
    Hopefully some photos of the fun...wait, did I say fun? from Trans Iowa 5 will surface.

    But in the meantime we wanted to be sure to throw out the congratulations to Joe Meiser, head of our Product Design and Development team.

    Joe won the 5th edition of the Trans Iowa event this past weekend. We'll get the details from Joe in the next day or two, but suffice it to say that 320 miles of gravel in under 25 hours deserves some major kudos.

    Wait, did I just say kudos? Oy.

    Nice job Joe.
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    Slowly morphing........

    I have an event- the Dirty Kanza 200 gravel road race- coming up and I am going to use the Fargo as my race sled. Here I have all the bottles mounted, and some of the paraphenalia I'll be using. The seat bag will be changed to something bigger, and the rack will disappear.

    If my front rack makes it in time, I'll use that. If not, Plan B!

    Anyway, more as things change....................
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    I love all these totally different faces the Fargo's show up. Last week I rode my Fargo with racks front and rear and a Burley Trailer bike. We rode the elevencitytour in Friesland, the Netherlands, with my wife and two kids. This summer this is the way we will be touring the backroads of Norway. This Salsa Fargo really rocks, be it rocky and rough trails or monsterloaded doing minor roads. It really shines everywhere. BTW my front rack is a OMM Coldsprings, which worked well by using the 'braze-on' in the forkcrown and drilling a small hole in the topplate.
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    Hi Boys and Girls,
    Greetings from a new guy here. I’ve got a Fargo XXL 24” frame scheduled to arrive soon to be built up by me. I’m purchasing parts and wanted some insight on brakes. BB7 mechanicals for sure. I’ve got BB7 185’s on a full suspension recumbent and they never cease to amaze me. I’ll be able to see if the rotors will fit my Fargo as soon as the frame arrives. If they do, I’ll want to bump up to 203mm rotors if possible or rational. I’m 280lbs and need all the help I can get rolling down the hill. Wheels will be built up on White Industries Disc Jockey high flange 36 drill hubs, 14 gauge spokes (straights), 3 cross, and Velocity Blunt rims. The stock fork is desired and will stay. Any ideas if the 203’s will fit into the frame and fork, and will using them just destroy my fork or be dangerous in the front or rear.? I see everyone else uses 160’s and figure there may be a reason for that….I don’t mind paying for overkill if it’s not dangerous. Thanks.

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    i took the fargo out for some singletrack action

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Nice build, Elvis! I'm considering building up an internal hub wheel for my Fargo... probably a Shimano Alfine...
    Peace,
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    due to ahem.. financial constraints... (translation: my wife will kill me)

    The Rohloff has been cut from the build in favour of an Alfine. (I'll also be running a Surly Singleator in the short term)

    If I like the feel of the Alfine... and the idea of internal hubs in general... then I have verbal (should I get it in writing?) permission to save for the Rohloff (and the eccentic external BB)...

    Also running Schwalbe Marathon Supremes in 29 x 2.0" width. (bring on the potholes)

    Should have the bike finished early next week. Will get some pics up then...

    In the words of Big Kev'... I'M EXCITED!

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    As per my blog post: http://www.mountainbikingnewzealand....-touring-bike/

    WoOt! Today, after some months of research and hunting for a bike to do some touring - I laid down the cash a 16″ (small) Salsa Fargo! It was love at first sight and within a few turns of the cranks I knew it was the bike that I’ve been looking for to do some serious exploring! This will be my first 29er too- which will be a great experience I’m sure.

    First impressions were that the paint work and frame finish is first class- and a carpark stomp test gave a very positive “twang” with the skinny cromo tubes. With the big wheels it felt great and accelerated pretty well- if not kind of foreign, but the “fit” felt awesome due to the bars that I’m sure will help clock up some comfy KM’s Toe overlap, which was a concern was also fine and with a chunky 2.1″ tyre that was very cool.

    Of course a carpark test is just that so I’ll leave it there and comment some more once I pick it up in about 6 weeks and give it a proper ride (yes….6 loooong weeks ) Anyway, here are some pics (please excuse the lack of bar tape and HUGE fork steerer- and the fetching white plastic “test” pedals )

    I can't wait!








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    Quote Originally Posted by kahunamoose
    Hi Boys and Girls,
    Greetings from a new guy here. I’ve got a Fargo XXL 24” frame scheduled to arrive soon to be built up by me. I’m purchasing parts and wanted some insight on brakes. BB7 mechanicals for sure. I’ve got BB7 185’s on a full suspension recumbent and they never cease to amaze me. I’ll be able to see if the rotors will fit my Fargo as soon as the frame arrives. If they do, I’ll want to bump up to 203mm rotors if possible or rational. I’m 280lbs and need all the help I can get rolling down the hill. Wheels will be built up on White Industries Disc Jockey high flange 36 drill hubs, 14 gauge spokes (straights), 3 cross, and Velocity Blunt rims. The stock fork is desired and will stay. Any ideas if the 203’s will fit into the frame and fork, and will using them just destroy my fork or be dangerous in the front or rear.? I see everyone else uses 160’s and figure there may be a reason for that….I don’t mind paying for overkill if it’s not dangerous. Thanks.
    I have run the Fargo I nhave with 185 frt/ 160mmR rotors and the 185's work great up front. I weigh in at 240lbs, and the thought of a 185mm rotor on the rear seems like overkill, but I do not know if it would fit. I happen to have a rear SS wheel with a 185mm rotor that I could check with for clearance.

    203mm rotors would be unecessary in my opinion. I can lock up my 185mm front at will and judicious braking on long downhills will keep the rotor from warping. (You'd have to have a long downhill to worry about this, as in a mile plus, in my opinion)

    I have returned to a 160mm front and am racing at Dirty Kanza 200 next weekend. They have really long gravel road downhills and I expect the 160mm rotor will do just fine.
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    Some great looking setups here guys. As for the 180mm rotor- i'd be keen to explore this option when riding a fully loaded bike- this is sure to help stop it!

    I must stop looking at the images of my bike sat in the shop .......waiting.......for me...lol

    maybe i can sell an organ to speed up the payments.....


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    Hello Fargonauts.

    Finally received my frame from the shop. The SS couplers are now installed. The shop did a heroic job of matching the Fargo color...now what was that color called again?? Glad I wasn't there to see them cut the frame in half to install the couplers. I'll get you pictures of the bike as soon as I finish the build, I'm stuck trying to install the fenders, mirror, speedometer, and handlebar bag. Tomorrow, I will be taking the bike out for a short weekend camping tour. Have a 150 mile route planned and will have the bike fully loaded. I will say this bike rides very nice, I'm just "wow happy" with the feel of the bike. I've owned 5 touring bikes, this bike has a relaxed feel about it that none of the other bikes have/had. Now I'm glad I spent extra money on the components becuase this is MY touring bike. It looks like I'll be selling my LHT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpincher
    Hello Fargonauts.

    Finally received my frame from the shop. The SS couplers are now installed. The shop did a heroic job of matching the Fargo color...now what was that color called again?? Glad I wasn't there to see them cut the frame in half to install the couplers. I'll get you pictures of the bike as soon as I finish the build, I'm stuck trying to install the fenders, mirror, speedometer, and handlebar bag. Tomorrow, I will be taking the bike out for a short weekend camping tour. Have a 150 mile route planned and will have the bike fully loaded. I will say this bike rides very nice, I'm just "wow happy" with the feel of the bike. I've owned 5 touring bikes, this bike has a relaxed feel about it that none of the other bikes have/had. Now I'm glad I spent extra money on the components becuase this is MY touring bike. It looks like I'll be selling my LHT.
    adding a eccentric style BB would have surely been a better option??

    you just made baby cheeses cry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    adding a eccentric style BB would have surely been a better option??
    How would an EBB help you break the bike down in half for travel?

    I like the term "Fargonauts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    How would an EBB help you break the bike down in half for travel?

    I like the term "Fargonauts"
    indeed

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    Plus 1. I am co-opting this nic-name for my future references to Fargo riders. Perfection!

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    In fact........

    I just realized after hitting submit on my last post that Salsa's head honch is Jason Boucher, so.....

    We all could consider ourselves as part of "Jason and The Fargonauts"

    Sorry! I couldn't resist!
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    Ees nice to be talking wich choo, how you say... "Fargonauts".... but me... in my land I am known simply as... "Fargo-nista"....

    Seriously, next weekend I will be riding as a Fargonista in the Mutant Century, a 100-mile (mostly offroad) endurance ride from High Point, NJ (elevation 1803 ft...wow!) to my home in Belle Mead (Princeton area, elevation 98 ft). This is the first MC of its kind, and I hope to attract at least a dozen valiant riders. I suspect I will be the only Fargonista, but others will be riding bikes ranging from full-suspension mountain bikes (YIKES, better lock out those shocks) to cyclo-cross (OUCH that's hard-core) to 80s-era rigid mountain bikes with fat slicks (ie the Fargo ancestors)... in other words a crowd of mutants.

    One thing I can say for sure; I will be the most comfortable rider on my Fargo... and I'll bet others will be wondering how they too can become.... a Fargonista!!!

    I will post pics and video from this epic ride... I hope to make my fellow Fargonauts and Fargonistas proud..... in the mean time, "Stay thirsty, my friends"...

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    Single track Fargo action

    Two Fargos from yesterday's assault on Nebraska single track. Tight, technical, and climb, climb, climb! The Fargo rips single track and we had a blast on 'em.

    If you wonder about doing drops and a Fargo off road, wonder no longer. Get one and rage some trails!
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    i raced the european singlespeed championships on my fargokart saturday:


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/phattyr...ol-1087380@N25


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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ersatzspeiche/3604012720/


    last photo is also by ersatzspeiche

    the bag on the rack was just stuffed with paper and the bottles where empty except one... the race was too fast to even think about hydrating anyways. but they had shots on the second and third lap.

    now it's about time for preperations for the grenzsteinstrophy. i'm thinking about mounting a 6 speed casette and a suntour sl derailleur with a thumbshifter right above the brake lever. has anyone tried something like that?

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    Well.....I've picked her up and I've just got to add the bartape and new seat from Charge

    I've ridden home from th eLBS and to work this morning and one thing that amazed me "out of the box" is how natural the bike feels and even shifting gears at the end of the drop bars feels like second nature. Basically it whispers "long haul crazy adventures....." as i pedal

    As for the speed the bike carrys.....its what all of my 29er friends have always spoke of.....it rides itself!

    One thing that is of concern though is bar setup- I'm just not sure on what height to set them other than enough clearance in case of a bar spin- that by the way- freaks me totally out,,,,,,the thought of loosing the top tube in a fall (or simple bike fall over) makes me nervous. The bars clear it- but those thumbies are just an accident waiting to happen!!

    So nervous that i'm keen to swap the thumbies over to an Ultega STI. Anyone got advice on setting this up? I also see a drop bar that seems to be a different shape (in the above images) than the one on the "default" build....what is that exactly?

    Here are a few more images. I'll post the complete bike once i get the seat and tape on!






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    Congrats ILMP on your Fargo, and your first 29er. This will shake your world and cost you a lot of money as you change all your bikes...again.
    The twenty-nine inch wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hud
    Congrats ILMP on your Fargo, and your first 29er. This will shake your world and cost you a lot of money as you change all your bikes...again.
    Yeah thanks its a really nice bike....and worth the research and waiting. I'm looking at some touring of NZ and this is my weapon. It will also be my daily commuter bike and will replace my GT peace.

    Edit: just rode back from work and man this is alot of fun...and surprisingly familiar
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    ....its niiiice and so so cruisy I have a few things i'm keen to change- the bars (to onone Midge) and shifting because they hit the knees/ top tube - also the tyres because I want to go faster! I'm also keen on proper racks vs the seat post one you see in the photos (that i've used for commuting for sometime)

    What's with the sillyness of the bars/ shifters hitting the top tube/ knees? I mean it's not suitable for dirt with this setup at all- and expensive too when you loose the top tube.

    Ride wise though- it's bloomin spot on.

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    The shifters do not hit the top tube on my rig, but every set up will be different in that regard depending upon size of frame, height of handle bars, and other smaller factors. I wouldn't condem the bar end shifters for all based upon your specific set up.

    Those are WTB bars on your rig, if I am not mistaken, and the drop on a Midge is less. Maybe enough to clear the shifters? I don't know, but that could change things a bit in that regard.

    At any rate, have fun dialing in your new bike and here's to many a great adventure!

    By the way, here is my latest blog post on Salsa Cycles Fargo: http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/...o-conclusions/
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    I've seen some of you guys have put frame pumps on your Fargos; any of you have a large frame? Which length pump did you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The shifters do not hit the top tube on my rig, but every set up will be different in that regard depending upon size of frame, height of handle bars, and other smaller factors. I wouldn't condem the bar end shifters for all based upon your specific set up.

    Those are WTB bars on your rig, if I am not mistaken, and the drop on a Midge is less. Maybe enough to clear the shifters? I don't know, but that could change things a bit in that regard.

    At any rate, have fun dialing in your new bike and here's to many a great adventure!
    The bars are in fact Salsa- the standard affair that ships with the complete bike and the only way to really stop top tube contact is to add copious amounts of spacers which does not work. I've seen quite a few people wrap bar tape about the point of top tube contact- but again- this is not an option.

    I love the shifting and setup- so would not condem them- rather I'm using common sense in that it simply does not work if top tube contact (and knees) is a normal occurrence- so needs to be resolved.

    Midge bars would solve the problem I'm sure.....lets see.

    Cheers- and I will have fun dialing it in

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    I've seen some of you guys have put frame pumps on your Fargos; any of you have a large frame? Which length pump did you get?

    My old Blackburn pump is a large- made to fit 57-60cm frames, I think. Anyway, my Fargo is a large size one and it works perfectly as it did on my 20" Karate Monkey.
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    After a 60+KM spin on Sunday- I have to admit that the bars were functionally fine and I climbed the Port Hills like a goat on speed....man it was great to get back out on some proper climbs!

    I'll be swapping them for midges/ road bars for sure and keeping the bike with some kind of drop bars....i just need to ride the "trapping of limbs" and "top tube hitting"- once i can be bothered and get some more CASH.

    Fact is that as much as I want flat bars on the Fargo i just know that its wrong - it's just not cricket.

    Meanwhile here she is all slicked up and somewhere to go. What I love is the fact that the Fargo is no light weight racer bike- it's an honest weight and rides so smooth I had to check that the tyres were not punctured! As for the disks- PERFECT on a bike like this- with no surprises at all....nice modulation when you are nailing it at 70KM downwards is all good (still scared the hell out of me though )

    On my way back through the city i also chose lines over curbs- down gutters- through gravelled car parks....over drain covers..... I once had a road bike that i could not treat rough....and that has all changed with the fargo.

    I'm slightly obsessed with this bike....





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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    After a 60+KM spin on Sunday- I have to admit that the bars were functionally fine and I climbed the Port Hills like a goat on speed....man it was great to get back out on some proper climbs! ...
    Dude, that's a sharp looking Fargo. Congrats on a nice build
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich007
    Dude, that's a sharp looking Fargo. Congrats on a nice build


    p.s. your blog is OFF the hook! Bookmarked!

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    ilostmypassword: What tires are those in the last set of photos? And which rims? The bike looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    After a 60+KM spin on Sunday- I have to admit that the bars were functionally fine and I climbed the Port Hills like a goat on speed....man it was great to get back out on some proper climbs!

    I'll be swapping them for midges/ road bars for sure and keeping the bike with some kind of drop bars....i just need to ride the "trapping of limbs" and "top tube hitting"- once i can be bothered and get some more CASH.

    Fact is that as much as I want flat bars on the Fargo i just know that its wrong - it's just not cricket.

    Meanwhile here she is all slicked up and somewhere to go. What I love is the fact that the Fargo is no light weight racer bike- it's an honest weight and rides so smooth I had to check that the tyres were not punctured! As for the disks- PERFECT on a bike like this- with no surprises at all....nice modulation when you are nailing it at 70KM downwards is all good (still scared the hell out of me though )

    On my way back through the city i also chose lines over curbs- down gutters- through gravelled car parks....over drain covers..... I once had a road bike that i could not treat rough....and that has all changed with the fargo.

    I'm slightly obsessed with this bike....

    Love this pic. Nice looking "skinny" Fargo there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword


    I love the looks of that bike. It looks like the lovechild of a crossbike and a dirtjumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    ilostmypassword: What tires are those in the last set of photos? And which rims? The bike looks great.
    It's a specialized "all condition armadilo tyre" inspired by the specialized fatboys i have on one of my other 26" bikes.



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    Brake rotor size on Fargo?

    Looking at the builds on this thread, I see mostly 160 mm brake rotors.

    Is anyone using 180's on a Fargo for strictly MTB usage? I usually use the larger rotors on 29er's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    Looking at the builds on this thread, I see mostly 160 mm brake rotors.

    Is anyone using 180's on a Fargo for strictly MTB usage? I usually use the larger rotors on 29er's.
    I have used 180mm rotors with no issues.
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    I'm running 180s up front on mine. I use mine more as an "around town" bike though, and not as mountain bike. Why does that matter?

    FWIW, I went with 180 in front because I like being able to use only a light touch on the brake lever. That, and there are some good hills where I live.

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    New FARGOnian

    Wooohoooo….. ordered a medium fargo yesterday. Pretty excited of course. I am 5’10” with a 31” + inseam. I was tempted to go with the large but the stand over height just looked to high.
    I am hoping I can make the medium work. I will use the bike primarily for self support trips with panniers front and back, etc.

    I am planning on scavenging off another bike for components at least initially. I have a carbon fiber flat bar with the cane creek ergo bar ends. I really like this setup for standing on climbs.
    It provides great leverage and grip. I would also like to keep my x-9 trigger shifters and Elixer CR hydro’s. I know the Fargo is designed for drop bars and I may end up there if I can’t get comfortable
    with the flat bar setup.

    I was planning on just going with a longer stem than what I currently use. I keep reading about people not wanting to go with long stems. Is this because the steering becomes
    to twitchy or ??

    Will post some pics when I start putting it all together.

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    Doug, I'm 5' 9 1/4" in my riding shoes, and I'm rocking a medium Fargo with a flat bar. FWIW, and IMHO, standover on some Salsa and Surly models (they are from the same company, after all) isn't so great. I remember looking at the Karate Monkey and thinking I would have even less clearance with that bike than with the Fargo.

    I'm currently running a 90mm stem with some Bontgrager bars that have (I believe) an 11-degree sweep. I want to try drop bars sometime this summer, but I have to admit, I'm finding the current flat bar setup quite comfortable. I put in 14 miles the other day (not a lot, I know), and I was as comfortable and pain free at the end as at the beginning.

    On the issue of longer versus shorter stems, I rock shorter stems to make my bikes less endo-prone, to let me keep my weight further back on the downhills. I usually run riser-bars too, but I make an exception on the Fargo because of the head-tube size. Downhills are much more fun for me with short stems and riser bars. The tradeoff is that I must use a bit more body-english to keep my front wheel planted when climbing.

    Your mileage may vary. Most riders I hang out with run longer stems than I have on any of my own bikes. We all get along though.

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    Flat or Drop?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Wooohoooo….. ordered a medium fargo yesterday. Pretty excited of course. I am 5’10” with a 31” + inseam. I was tempted to go with the large but the stand over height just looked to high.
    I am hoping I can make the medium work. I will use the bike primarily for self support trips with panniers front and back, etc.

    I know the Fargo is designed for drop bars and I may end up there if I can’t get comfortable with the flat bar setup.
    Doug:

    When it comes to handlebars, I personally believe one is either innately predisposed to riding drop handlebars, or they're not. As much as I've tried over the years to be comfortable riding drops, I am convinced I fall into the latter category. I own and enjoy bikes with drops, but I'm never quite as comfortable and confident as I am with an upright riser, flat or swept back bars, particularly when the going gets rough (as when riding my Fargo). I have a Titec H-bar on my Fargo, with 2008 XT brake-shifters and absolutely love this setup... I ride it on and off road, and I can ride longer and in greater comfort than any other bike. BTW I am 6'1" and ride a Large... at first I thought I'd go with the XL, but after comparing notes with others, decided on the Large. You made the right choice with a Medium...

    The Fargo may have been designed with drop bars in mind, but that doesn't mean it's unsuitable for flat or upright bars... I am certain I have the right setup... you may find your ideal setup with flat bars; others will find theirs with a range of drop types... It depends on you.

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    confused... help cure my ignorance

    In Joe Meiser's blog today he describes breaking and replacing the dérailleur hanger on his Fargo. On my Fargo it appears that the dérailleur hanger is an integral part of the frame. Obviously I am missing something fundamental here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    In Joe Meiser's blog today he describes breaking and replacing the dérailleur hanger on his Fargo. On my Fargo it appears that the dérailleur hanger is an integral part of the frame. Obviously I am missing something fundamental here?
    No, you're not missing anything. I suspect he got a hanger that bolts onto the axle or skewer, unless he found someone to braze a new one on in the field. Would be interesting to find out what he used that was readily available, might be a small but handy item to have along on an extended tour..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    No, you're not missing anything. I suspect he got a hanger that bolts onto the axle or skewer, unless he found someone to braze a new one on in the field. Would be interesting to find out what he used that was readily available, might be a small but handy item to have along on an extended tour..

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    I'm not sure what he used in the article, but here's the emergency hanger that Adventure cycling sells.

    http://www.adventurecycling.org/stor...eur-hanger.cfm

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    Thx for the info everyone.

    I am re-thinking scavenging from my current bike and instead building the fargo with some extra's parts I have laying around and some new......yes, it pains me to part with a bike Thought I might as well try drop bars if I go this route.

    I take it the Midge bars are no longer made or made in very small quantities? I cannot find any to purchase even on e-bay. I would like a bar with the drops flared out somewhat. Any recommendations on a drop bar that would also accept bar end shifters? Also, are the dura-ace 9 spd bar end shifters compatible with mtn bike specific Derailleur's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Thx for the info everyone.

    I am re-thinking scavenging from my current bike and instead building the fargo with some extra's parts I have laying around and some new......yes, it pains me to part with a bike Thought I might as well try drop bars if I go this route.

    I take it the Midge bars are no longer made or made in very small quantities? I cannot find any to purchase even on e-bay. I would like a bar with the drops flared out somewhat. Any recommendations on a drop bar that would also accept bar end shifters? Also, are the dura-ace 9 spd bar end shifters compatible with mtn bike specific Derailleur's?
    You might try dropping Shiggy a line on midge bars, he had a batch a little while back, might have a set left. I got a pair from him way earlier this year, maybe even last year, I can't remember.

    For other bars, you can try the WTB Dirt Drops, the Salsa Bell Laps, the Origin 8 Garys, just to name a few. The origin 8's are NOT bar end shifter compatible, but the others certainly are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    You might try dropping Shiggy a line on midge bars, he had a batch a little while back, might have a set left. I got a pair from him way earlier this year, maybe even last year, I can't remember.

    For other bars, you can try the WTB Dirt Drops, the Salsa Bell Laps, the Origin 8 Garys, just to name a few. The origin 8's are NOT bar end shifter compatible, but the others certainly are.

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    Thanks mate. I'll drop Shiggy a PM. Appreciated.

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    junebug bar

    Soma also has some new bars like the old midge. They look nice and I might have to give them a try. (http://www.somafab.com/bar_junebug.html)

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    Quote Originally Posted by madonenm
    Soma also has some new bars like the old midge. They look nice and I might have to give them a try. (http://www.somafab.com/bar_junebug.html)
    Those look perfect. Or match my mental image anyway. Thx

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    Junebug bar

    The only potential problem is that they are a slightly narrower bar but I have not tried them...just heard the complaint from others. I know it would probably not be a problem for me...in fact I like the idea of a narrower bar...but it might be for some.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Those look perfect. Or match my mental image anyway. Thx

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    Retire 2 bikes to get the Fargo?

    Man, the Fargo seems to be everything I've ever wanted in one bike...I knew I was getting one as soon as I saw the ad in DR and read this thread.

    Based on these post, I think I'd get a small - since I'm 5' 4" (stopped worrying about SO height years ago) and the Fargo's horiz TT is about the same as my XS 1x1. So, it's not a question of "if", but of "when".

    Should I save my money to get the full bike (VERY patient, Zen master route) or buy the frame now and gut two of my current rides - a 2006 GF Cobia and a 94 Trek 520 Tourer (impatient, impulsive, spoiled kid route)?

    Obviously the Fisher is going to be the main organ donour (wheels, gears, brakes, cranks etc), and it'll get me riding the Fargo right away, just wondering if it would be worth it in the long term. I'd like to do some longish rides on the Fargo (bikepacking, camping etc) and the Cobia's parts are kinda lower end. Here's a link to the spec:

    http://www.bikepedia.com/29erMTB/29e...er&Model=Cobia

    Would it be a better value in the long term to wait and buy the full Fargo with its better parts? Is the Fargo so awesome that I can lose 2 bikes (out of 3)? If the Fargo is that good, then it would essentially replace a 29er HT and road touring bike, and I plan to have it for the long haul.

    Thanks for reading and any help and opinions would be awesome. Sorry for the long post, just got a serious case of bike lust...well, if anyone understands, it's you lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlyVEE
    Is the Fargo so awesome that I can lose 2 bikes
    short answer: yes.

    I've retired my Salsa Casseroll (triple) and my Long Haul Trucker (custom build) for my Fargo.

    Some of the parts from the LHT were swapped onto the Fargo. (bar/stem, seatpost/saddle, nice racks)

    But some things are 100% new. Wheels - Alfine rear + DT Swiss TK7.1d rims. Hayes Stroker Trail hydraulic discs, Surly Mr Whirly cranks and so on.

    LOVE the Fargo. Even with 29" x 2.0" Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tyres... it's my favourite commuter ever.

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    Is the Fargo road worthy.

    I am worried that the frame geometry is too relaxed. I will be doing more road touring than dirt, is this still my bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlyVEE
    Man, the Fargo seems to be everything I've ever wanted in one bike...I knew I was getting one as soon as I saw the ad in DR and read this thread.

    Based on these post, I think I'd get a small - since I'm 5' 4" (stopped worrying about SO height years ago) and the Fargo's horiz TT is about the same as my XS 1x1. So, it's not a question of "if", but of "when".

    Should I save my money to get the full bike (VERY patient, Zen master route) or buy the frame now and gut two of my current rides - a 2006 GF Cobia and a 94 Trek 520 Tourer (impatient, impulsive, spoiled kid route)?

    Obviously the Fisher is going to be the main organ donour (wheels, gears, brakes, cranks etc), and it'll get me riding the Fargo right away, just wondering if it would be worth it in the long term. I'd like to do some longish rides on the Fargo (bikepacking, camping etc) and the Cobia's parts are kinda lower end. Here's a link to the spec:

    http://www.bikepedia.com/29erMTB/29e...er&Model=Cobia

    Would it be a better value in the long term to wait and buy the full Fargo with its better parts? Is the Fargo so awesome that I can lose 2 bikes (out of 3)? If the Fargo is that good, then it would essentially replace a 29er HT and road touring bike, and I plan to have it for the long haul.

    Thanks for reading and any help and opinions would be awesome. Sorry for the long post, just got a serious case of bike lust...well, if anyone understands, it's you lot

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    Well, I am very biased! So you know what I'd say- Heck yeah! Do the Fargo, but specifically to you, I would do the complete. I think in the end it would be a way better value. For one thing, the upgrade in the drivetrain is substantial over a Cobia. Then, probably more importantly, the wheels are really good on the complete. XT/Semi works a treat for multi-use, multi-terrain riding.

    I realize that some will point to the Fargo's sub $700.00 frame/fork cost and say they can beat the spec on a Fargo complete for less than $2000.00. I say- my time is worth something, and shipping figures into that equation. Factor in those elements, and a Fargo complete is a great value, unless you are really handy with the wrenches and have a rich parts bin!

    You'll have to figure that out for yourself. In the end, you may end up selling both rigs for lack of use! But, in the meantime, it sounds like you'd have a dedicated mtb, and a great road sled plus a Fargo!

    Good luck and please post up your Fargo when you get it! We "Fargo-nauts" want to know how it all shakes out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhouse
    I am worried that the frame geometry is too relaxed. I will be doing more road touring than dirt, is this still my bike?
    Well, it is true, real skinny tires may not be a great match for a Fargo. But geometry aside, the biggest issue would be the low bottom bracket height you'd end up with.

    If you are thinking 35mm or less for rubber, never really doing any single track, and rough dirt roads are going to be few and far between, a Long Haul Trucker, or some road oriented rig may suit you better.

    That said, if you want to have no worries on rough back roads, maybe will do a single track now and again, and are drawn to exploring things further from the tarmac, the Fargo is the better option.
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    Thought I'd jump in and add my recently built Fargeaux. She is pretty much relegated to dragging kids around along with some other utilitarian cargo trailer functions. She hits a mix of pavement, dirt, gravel, and cinder trails. This sure is a go to kind of bike. I built a frameset up from my parts bin and a donor 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Well, it is true, real skinny tires may not be a great match for a Fargo. But geometry aside, the biggest issue would be the low bottom bracket height you'd end up with.

    Other than the lack of angle in turns (trying to pedal in sharp turns) what else is bad about the low bottom bracket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhouse
    Other than the lack of angle in turns (trying to pedal in sharp turns) what else is bad about the low bottom bracket?
    If you stayed on pavement- probably nothing other than the turning while pedaling issue. Off road, or on uneven surfaces like some back roads have, you may experience pedal strikes.

    As it is, with 2.1 rubber, I get pedal strikes off road with my Fargo, so just bear in mind that rough stuff will require fatter rubber to avoid the pedals from hitting the trail, or obstacles on it.
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    Dirt Rag Reviews The Fargo

    Issue #143 just hit my mailbox. It has a pretty lengthy and favorable review of the Fargo. Check it out!
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    I'm likely going to get a medium, 18" Fargo. I ride a 58cm CrossCheck right now and feel the TT is too long and the HT too short. How much different will an 18" Fargo be in respect to overall reach and handlebar height (assuming same bar and stem)?

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    Get the 20" I ride a 56cm CC and a 58cm Pacer, I got the 20" Fargo at it fits me perfect with 105mm stem.

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    Thanks.

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    Get the 20" I ride a 56cm CC and a 58cm Pacer, I got the 20" Fargo at it fits me perfect with 105mm stem.
    I think that's going to make the TT length even longer which I definitely don't want. The stem I use is a super short high-rise stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhouse
    Other than the lack of angle in turns (trying to pedal in sharp turns) what else is bad about the low bottom bracket?
    As far as bottom bracket drop goes, the Fargo is not out of line with true road touring rigs. Rivendell uses an 80mm drop on both their Atlantis 700c and A Homer Hilsen road/touring frames and the Surly LHT has 78mm drop. The Fargo "only" drops 75mm which in the MTB world is lots but is pretty average in the touring world.
    Even the seat tube angle falls into line with a traditional touring bike.
    The head tube angles are different but the fork is raked way out to make up for that.

    Having logged a few road miles on my Fargo with 32mm tires I don't find it any less pleasant than my Rivendell Atlantis.

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    New question here. 2 cents and questions

    The Derailure hanger thing does make me a bit nervous. I think this would be a pretty handy addition to the Fargo tool kit:

    http://wheelsmfg.com/content/view/694/44/

    Question 1:
    I have the Cascadia Fenders on my Fargo and I get a decent amount of fender waggle and they hit my 2.1" Nanowraptors. Any one have any reccomendation on keeping the fenders more stable or not hitting the tires?

    Question 2
    Who is happy with a small over the tire style (rear rack looking) front rack? (Sorry I can't remember the name for these guys.)

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    BB chasing and HT facing. Do frames come ready to go from the factory or does the shop need to chase and face?

    The shop I'd like to go with is relatively new to bike sales and does not yet have the tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    The Derailure hanger thing does make me a bit nervous. I think this would be a pretty handy addition to the Fargo tool kit:

    http://wheelsmfg.com/content/view/694/44/

    Question 1:
    I have the Cascadia Fenders on my Fargo and I get a decent amount of fender waggle and they hit my 2.1" Nanowraptors. Any one have any reccomendation on keeping the fenders more stable or not hitting the tires?
    I have a set of the cascadia's as well and do get some occasional tire buzz when off-roading or banging around. There's not really a way around it, kinda the nature of the fenders. Jeff Jones did have a pretty cool set of external stiffeners made up for actual off-road use of fenders that worked pretty well, but I never heard if he was actually selling them to the public or not, or what the price was.

    Generally, mine are off until the fall, I'm not able to commute everyday, so riding in the rain isn't a necessity right now for me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    BB chasing and HT facing. Do frames come ready to go from the factory or does the shop need to chase and face?

    The shop I'd like to go with is relatively new to bike sales and does not yet have the tools.
    I didn't have anything done to mine, took it out of the box and pressed in the HS and threaded in the BB. No issues. Worst case I can imagine is that they notice something tight or misaligned during installation and you need to have it faced or chased, but it'll probably be fine.

    I suppose if you're concerned about external bearing BB life, you might want to have the BB faced, but I'm not, so I didn't.

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    Smile New Fargo-ie Goodness

    Finally was able to pick up my new frame from the LBS where I took it to get the headset installed.

    Now I get to spend some quality time with it

    Still waiting for the brake levers to arrive but everything else is a go.

    Some pics.........

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677603772/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2652/3677603772_769d07637d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    Went with 185mm G3 rotors front and back....
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3676790083/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2539/3676790083_e84cf545fa.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    Not sure at this point where the bar will end up. For now just wanted to make sure it cleared the frame....
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3676790587/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3676790587_409b6f22ba.jpg" width="500" height="458" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3676790799/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3628/3676790799_5bc8aef579.jpg" width="500" height="317" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677605994/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2586/3677605994_5652a0ee44.jpg" width="500" height="320" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    BB7's....
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3676791655/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3676791655_976e1d2751.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677606260/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3677606260_4d43f81840.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3676792733/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/3676792733_2db66a91f3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    at least on the medium frame the top bottle holder is iffy....
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677607296/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3677607296_400b48044c.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677607916/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2670/3677607916_610046047f.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677608182/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3677608182_3b3ae7d059.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>

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    Nothing like a nice build to make you feel alive... That's what I think we should all do when we retire... Me... I'd have my LBS call me up and say "Whaddya say there, ol' timer....Got a new Fargo frame that needs building, you doin anything right now?"....

    Good stuff, Doug.... Savor that first ride, but bring lights... you won't want to stop for dinner (or daylight for that matter)....

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    Nothing like a nice build to make you feel alive... That's what I think we should all do when we retire... Me... I'd have my LBS call me up and say "Whaddya say there, ol' timer....Got a new Fargo frame that needs building, you doin anything right now?"....

    Good stuff, Doug.... Savor that first ride, but bring lights... you won't want to stop for dinner (or daylight for that matter)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID

    Some pics.........

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3677608182/" title="Salsa Fargo build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3677608182_3b3ae7d059.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo build" /></a>
    What size Marathons are those? I've been riding around with my 2.35 big apples and have been thinking about something smaller (and hopefully lighter). I do like the huge BA's, but i have a fairly narrow rim (DT Swiss 7.1's) and I can't really run them lower than about 40 psi anyway for fear of having them come off the rim.

    BTW, do your shifters clear the TT? Your bars look like they just barely did.. Mine are nowhere near clearing anything. I'm also running a medium frame with about 40mm of spacer, a 90mm x 5 degree stem and a set of midges and I'm well into contact with the TT with the bar..

    I need to get some pictures posted sometime..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    What size Marathons are those? I've been riding around with my 2.35 big apples and have been thinking about something smaller (and hopefully lighter). I do like the huge BA's, but i have a fairly narrow rim (DT Swiss 7.1's) and I can't really run them lower than about 40 psi anyway for fear of having them come off the rim.

    BTW, do your shifters clear the TT? Your bars look like they just barely did.. Mine are nowhere near clearing anything. I'm also running a medium frame with about 40mm of spacer, a 90mm x 5 degree stem and a set of midges and I'm well into contact with the TT with the bar..

    I need to get some pictures posted sometime..

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    I will have to check on the size of the XR's tonight. I have not run them before. I am interested to see how they do on gravel roads.

    On the shifters. If they are in the down position they will not clear the frame. When I first put the bar on I forgot all about that issue and whacked the tube while putting the front tire on ...luckily no harm done this time. I don't know how close the current bar position is in terms of where it will end up once I start getting seating, etc dialed in. I sure hope it will end up clearing the frame though.

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    I love seeing all these Fargo's. Every one is slightly or totally different. Different bars, tires, racks or rackless. Considering the bar clearing the top, I would go for the right position instead of clearance of the toptube. I think only crashing really hard should be a problem. I would favor a right position. Riding four different dropbar bikes (and for many years now) I never thought clearance was an issue for me.
    Let's show us some more Fargo's BTW I am looking forward to hearing the experiences of Joe Meiser on the Tour Divide Race.

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    Regarding the bar clearing. I just wrapped my toptube in helicopter tape. Take a look in the pictures. Can't see it? Thats the idea. It also affords a bit of impact protection as it is rather thick. To find a source just use The Googles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Nothing like a nice build to make you feel alive... That's what I think we should all do when we retire... Me... I'd have my LBS call me up and say "Whaddya say there, ol' timer....Got a new Fargo frame that needs building, you doin anything right now?"....

    Good stuff, Doug.... Savor that first ride, but bring lights... you won't want to stop for dinner (or daylight for that matter)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pottser
    Considering the bar clearing the top, I would go for the right position instead of clearance of the toptube. I think only crashing really hard should be a problem. I would favor a right position.
    For sure, comfort comes first. I am plan to spend a lot of time on this bike. The top tube thing does concern me though. Might have to check out that helicopter tape.

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    Thinking more about bar clearance over the frame. I might try rotating the bar end shifters 90 degrees so the shifting motion is horizontal rather than vertical. That would save at least an inch on the frame clearance. Shifting might be kind of awkward though.

    Got the rear rack on (tubus logo) and got it shifting nice and smooth. Just need fricken brake levers and they won't be here til monday

    Few more pics.......

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3680759436/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/3680759436_02f1b04852.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3680760662/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2478/3680760662_c8ee1fc5cd.jpg" width="500" height="257" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3680761248/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/3680761248_77c7dbae44.jpg" width="500" height="398" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    What size Marathons are those? I've been riding around with my 2.35 big apples and have been thinking about something smaller (and hopefully lighter).

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    Plum, here are the details on the tires........

    Marathon XR 700x50C, fold
    50-622, bk-sk-rt, folding
    HDC Guard, Endurance

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    Took the "long way" home today. Rode & Smiled. Got one nice shot to share:

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    Tires for Fargo?

    I'll have 2 wheelsets for my Fargo, one street (commuting-trekking), one dirt.

    For the street, I'm thinking the Specialized Armadillo Elite:

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=41805

    Schwalbe is nice but it's easier for me to acquire the Specs.

    Any thoughts?

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    Originally posted by Doug_ID: I will have to check on the size of the XR's tonight. I have not run them before. I am interested to see how they do on gravel roads.
    In my experiences running 5 Trans Iowas, the Marathon series is considered tops for gravel travel. I think you will really like them. In fact, I would like a set in the same size as yours at some point. I'll have to work on that!

    Originally posted by Miker J: I'll have 2 wheelsets for my Fargo, one street (commuting-trekking), one dirt.

    For the street, I'm thinking the Specialized Armadillo Elite:
    In my experience at the shop where I work, the Specialized Armadillo tires are super tough at the expense of ride quality and longevity. I have not ever seen a pair worn out, since the casing usually starts to delaminate, crack, or weather check long before the tread wears out. The casings on those are stiff to the point of being very harsh riding.

    Great tires for an urban landscape where flatting is not an option though.

    Originally posted by Pottser: BTW I am looking forward to hearing the experiences of Joe Meiser on the Tour Divide Race.
    Me too! However; knowing Mr Meiser as I do, I know he will spend a lifetime documenting the experiences in long form. I know the Salsa Crew is planning on dragging some stories out of him, so at least part of the tale will be told!

    At any rate, any tid bits he does decide to share will be relished by me and I suspect several others out there. The bits about his Fargo getting the hangar broken off, and replacing the frame mid-ride should make for quite the tale specific to this thread, for example.
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    Thanks for the tire advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf
    Took the "long way" home today. Rode & Smiled. Got one nice shot to share:
    nice pic

    Got surly front rack on.....burly surly Had to do some grinding on the mounting bracket to clear the brake caliper.

    Mr Fat and Hairy....I stole your water bottle holder placement idea......royalty check is in the mail

    Also turned the bar end shifters horizontal....think it will work fine that way....oh for lack of brake levers!!!!!

    Pics...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3685369777/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3685369777_1627394e6e.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3686177438/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/3686177438_2c08b63ce3_b.jpg" width="1024" height="584" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3686177616/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2562/3686177616_bf44e209c8_b.jpg" width="1024" height="646" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3686175822/" title="Salsa Fago Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2424/3686175822_8ab7596a0d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fago Build" /></a>

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    Smile Done for now

    The final piece of the fargo puzzle (Tektro brake levers) arrived today......yeah!

    So, I put it all together only to realize the front and rear brakes are reversed......doh. Oh well, I actually prefer that from riding motorcycles so for now at least will leave it as is. Took it for a few short cruises around the neighborhood to get seat height/angle adjusted. I could tell right away I am going to love the Soma Junebug drop bars. 3 good hand positions and it felt good climbing out of the saddle from the drops or from the hoods. The horizontal bar end shifter placement seemed to work good as well.

    I may go to a slightly shorter stem and possibly lower the bars a tad but other than that it felt really good. I am glad I got the medium and not the large.

    A few pics.....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3696617892/" title="Salsa Fargo Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3696617892_c618d633c6_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Salsa Fargo Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3696618364/" title="Salsa Fargo Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3696618364_f1eb6cdb5e_o.jpg" width="900" height="783" alt="Salsa Fargo Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3696618818/" title="Salsa Fargo Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/3696618818_0b9f0cbc61_b.jpg" width="507" height="1024" alt="Salsa Fargo Build" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/3695809357/" title="Salsa Fargo Build by Doug Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3454/3695809357_822e73a8e6_b.jpg" width="1024" height="903" alt="Salsa Fargo Build" /></a>

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    A few of my latest Fargo setup...

    ... for my fellow Fargonauts to enjoy. That's a Mary bar, upside down on a 100mm, zero-rise CroMoto SUL stem. I had been running a WTB drop bar on a 80mm, 20 deg rise stem prior to this (you can find the pics elsewhere on the page).

    Happy Fargoing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    The final piece of the fargo puzzle (Tektro brake levers) arrived today......yeah!
    Hey Nice setup, looks great. Just wondering why you haven't threaded the gear cables up the handle bars (eg road bikes)? Otherwise that new Junebug looks pretty sweet!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    ... for my fellow Fargonauts to enjoy. That's a Mary bar, upside down on a 100mm, zero-rise CroMoto SUL stem. I had been running a WTB drop bar on a 80mm, 20 deg rise stem prior to this (you can find the pics elsewhere on the page).
    Wow o wow o wow! How does this setup feel and run MG. I love the old school English flared style with brown bar tape on any bike, but you have made it look awesome as on the Fargo. Gosh if that setup works I probably have the right parts to just do a frame. Very interested on your thoughts, otherwise looks mint.

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