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    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?

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    First shipment went to day

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    So when you say that frames went out, did that include a medium on its way to Alaska?
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    I got the frame the first week of November, originally set up with 42mm tires, fenders, and racks. I moved a block from work/school so I took the fenders and rack off for now. I'm running Crossmarks now too. And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters. I've only had time to do a little trail riding, but I've loved it on everything so far. Sorry for the low pic quality, no digital camera..


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    Head tube help....

    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.

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    Let's show some more Fargo's. I got the frame yesterday and after a day of playing in the garage this came out. I will mount my Burley Piccolorack this weekend, so I can carry gear or pull my son on his trailerbike. SMILE and RIDE....
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    Very nice build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters.
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAHTNOJ
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMC
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.
    Thanks to both of you. I already have bar ends so will probably wind up going that route. They are not as easy to shift but are drop dead reliable, and I want this bike to work predictably and for a long time.

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    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...

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    Calm before the storm

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
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    Here's a photo of mine from last weekend. I have been having trouble with knee pain when riding clipless lately, so I've been going with flat pedals. It's a cell-phone photo; I never remember to bring a real camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
    I'll have some pics of mine in the snow posted up soon. My frame should be in by the end of this week (fingers crossed!).

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    initial ride

    Here are a couple of pics taken during the initial outing on my new Fargo. The weather was too nice and the day was coming to a close so extra bottle cages and bar tape was optional. Epic Designs frame bag in the near future.
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    Black Fargo

    Nice paintjob! ...hey is that fun-guy black? I will one day (no doubt) need to paint mine... In the mean time my riding wardrobe will take full advantage of the stock color... after all, doesn't everything go with fun-guy green?

    Are those Dirt Drop or Midge bars? I dig the shifter placement... Nice build.... Maybe some Brooks brown leather handlebar tape would put that over the top...

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    stealthy!

    So did you do a rattle-can overcoat w/ the black paint job, or is that a new powdercoat?
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    i dig the black bikes.

    we have a powdercoating facility at the workplace, it took about an hour or so to scuff the green enough to accept the new black layer of powder. xxxtra durable.

    wtb dirtdrops, and as of tuesday it has black brooks leather wrap.

    i'll save the rattle can for the touchup ; ^ )

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    Hey d-ray.....

    Hey d-ray, I like your black Fargo, very nicly done, by the way. I wanted to ask about the shifter mounts. I've had that idea in my head for awhile now and you have executed it exactly the way I thought it would work. What I am wondering is did you simply mill out the shifter perches to fit the bar diameter? It looks as though that is what I am seeing.
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    shifters

    gt- you are correct sir. i increased the inside diameter of the mounts about .070". you also need to remove a good portion of the thumbshifter to gain clearance to stay in the drops. i milled and hand filed about .400" from the ends of the shifters. (i'll probably remove more next time i swap cables or re-wrap the bars) if these were placed on ergo bars (bell laps maybe) i think it would increase the amount of adjustability.

    the last modification was removing a 1/2 inch from the bottom of the brake lever mount, this allows you to push the shifter assembly farther into the curve of the drops.

    i think maybe i've been staring at nates multi mounts in the mwc jewelry case too long.

    thanks for the nice comments guys!
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    GDR Ride Take 1!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3340164890/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3340164890_390250995e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3339336185/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3339336185_364037cbb3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    A couple of photos of my latest Fargo build. Now it's time for a shakedown of a few pieces of equipment.

    I've also put together a flat bar Fargo and posted a few photos over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Here's the Fargo in action. post yours when you get it here...
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.

    I've been riding mine for about a month now and can't believe how much I love it. It rips. I've never had a drop bar bike that I've felt so comfortable carving, jumping, and generally just having way too much fun in the dirt on. In short, it lives up to every expectation I had for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.
    What front der. are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    What front der. are you using?
    That's an old Shimano low-mount Deore LX. It works great once I gave the cable a little "reduction wrap" to change the pull ratio ever so slightly (to work with the STI lever).
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    Stupid Question #632 from Fat & Hairy

    Please bear with me while I spew out my rant complete with stupid questions. First of all anyone who has read any of my messages can infer two things. "That guy likes to ride his bike but he knows literally nothing about bikes." They can probabably also conclude that I have poor grammar and spelling.
    Anyways going back to older posts in this forum you can see I modified my racks to include water bottle holders. Anyways as MontclairBobbyB pointed out the mods would probably intefere with lowrider panniers. At the time I thought I would forgo panniers and just tie stuff down. Well I had a change of heart. I emailed customer service from a major pannier manufacturer to see if they had panniers that would work for my front set up. (picture attached) He was very nice and e mailed me back. His suggestions were:
    1) H2O bottles have no business being up front
    2) Frame bags have no business being anywhere
    3) His racks are better than mine
    4) I'm an idiot

    Here are some actual excerpts from his E mail that I cut & pasted. I left out anything that would reveal him or his company:

    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tube’s mounts and one on the down tube’s lower mounts).

    Please, please get rid of the water bottle cages on the front rack and/or fork for safety reasons…not only to keep bottles from bouncing into the front wheel and slamming your lower jaw first into the gravel road, but more importantly from local riders snickering just loud enough for you to hear them (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”)

    Put your other racks on Craig’s List/eBay

    End of quotes

    He had rack suggestions from his company's product but never answered my original question of panniers. I should mention however in this world of zero customer service he did take the time to respond to me promptly with a lengthy e mail in which he did offer me his sincere advice.

    In any case I love my frame bag and racks both have had heavy use and have been awesome. Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?

    Also I have to mention this bike has been awesome! The mud season between snow & trail riding has always been very depressing for me but not this year. I am having a blast exploring old dirt roads and getting my fitness ready for the trails and hopefully some off road touring. Sorry for yet another picture of my bike
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    Fat & Hairy: Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?
    Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit. They are skinny enough and with an offset drill and mount job, they just might clear the bottle cages.I wonder also, could you jury-rig something for the lower mount on the cage that would make it more verticle? Like a strip of metal or something to cantlever the cage rearward at the bottom which should gain you some clearance for panniers? Just offering a suggestion.

    I was out muddin' with my Fargo last weekend. Brrrraaaaap!

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    Fat & Hairy,

    I'm sorry that you had that experience with a manufacturer, any manufacturer. It doesn't sound like they did themselves any good.

    As for Racks with lowriders and cages the only thing that might work would be an Ortlieb lowrider. I have not however tried mounting this and testing it. Will do and get back to you.

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    [QUOTE=Guitar Ted]Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit.

    Bring the big guy by the shop and I will make something work for you. When it was mounted I remember the Axiom front waterproof bag fitting, though mounted all the way forward.

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    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
    Thanks for your kind words.....

    Anyway, have you moseyed on over to the endurance forums and checked out any of the GDR threads? The bikes used in that event show the gamut from panniers to "junk strapped on" set ups and you can read all about those set ups. How some worked and some failed. Good stuff.

    Here's another great resource, if you have not seen it, you should check it out too. : http://www.bikepacking.net/

    Good luck and Good Fargo-ing!
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    Thanks G-Ted. I love bikepacking.net . There are some crazy extreme guys ( & girls can't forget Jill in Alaska ) hanging out over there. Sorry about hijacking the Fargo thread with my pannier nonsense. This bike makes me excited with the possibilities and I get a little obsessive. I'll calm down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

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    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    ....... I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you! You have no idea what a "breath of fresh air" it is to read those words.

    I wish more folks would understand this simple thing about off road drop bar bikes.
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    Chumbox, here are your pics...

    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
    That's funny... I was going to tell him to go Large. For perspective, I'm 6'1", with a 33-inch inseam. I ride a large Salsa mountain bike, normally. I'm riding an XL Fargo very happily.

    But that said, Guitar Ted and I agree 9 times out of ten, so if he said go with a medium, I'd probably cede to his advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Amen brother! Heck yeah -- I rip on this thing off-road! That's exactly what I'm talkin' about... Witness:
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    Smile Laugh out loud...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tubeís mounts and one on the down tubeís lower mounts).
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    I started a separate thread a couple weeks ago regarding racks for the Fargo, but it probably makes more sense to keep the info here.

    I ended up with the Tubus Vega. It's fairy minimalistic, but still has a 50 lbs capacity which is plenty for me. I liked the idea of having a rack made from good ole cromoly and Tubus has a great reputation, so I ordered one up.

    I wasn't disappointed. Everything about the rack was top notch. Nice stainless hardware and a quality finish. I had to customize the struts to accommodate the Fargo's extra wide upper mounts. Three bends to each, down, out and then back in again.

    Salsa was smart to put the lower rack mounts a bit higher than normal which helped with the tire clearance. Plenty of room with the Rampages mounted.

    On a side note, I have to mention the excellent service I received from Wayne at the TouringStore.com. I rarely mail order and always try to buy local first. Staying local and quality of service always trump price for me, but Tubus is not an easy product for an LBS to get there hands on.

    Wayne spent lots of time answering questions and learning about the Fargo to make sure we were choosing the right rack. He also made sure I understood he would be happy to take the rack back should fit be a problem. The box included good directions and more importantly, a sheet with tips on mounting the rack, panniers and other hints he had picked up after years of dealing with these things. Props to Wayne.

    Hope this info might help some of you as you put together your adventure bike.





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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    Yeah the guy hated my set up but he was pretty funny. He knew I'm in Vermont from the picture above that I had E mailed to show him my issue, when he's talking about the local rider Darrel goofing on me, (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”) he's referring to Darrel & his other brother Darrel. In any case I also went with the Ortliebs. Like Go Kart Mozart I had been in contact with Wayne at the touring store and I had the same experience as GKM. Wayne was super helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here are the shots with the new WTB bar...
    MG: That lever placement almost makes the "horns" of the STI levers like barends on a flat bar bike!

    You must be hangin' round mw too much. The WTB bar thing has finally rubbed off on you.

    Naw, just kiddin' ya! That looks great.

    Thought I'd share with the class: This is my set up so far going in to the Dirty Kanza 200 training. There will be tweakage! I have not decided if there will be a rear rack. Maybe there will be a front rack. Still working on it.
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    Exactly....

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.

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    Time to GO FAR! (far for me anyway)

    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
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    my "other" expedition touring bike is still green...

    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.
    Well, in the two posts that sandwich your post quoted above, what you are asserting about the Fargo is not the case. No "4" stack of spacers" and those are standard stems on both of those bikes.

    So, what are you seeing about these two examples that leads you to the statement you made?

    Both have quite reasonable saddle to grip area drops. Well within what cross country riders would consider for a flat bar set up.

    Seems to me that the Salsa Fargo design is working and working quite well.

    Now if you are talking Surly.......(you mention the CrossCheck) or other brands, then I agree totally. But those bikes weren't meant for what the Fargo is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
    Whoa! That has to be a pretty rare rig right there!

    I've seen leather portage straps but welding in a steel tube? That's some hardcore portaging action there!

    Thanks for sharing that. It is a super cool rig.
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    D-Ray,

    I hope to get out to Lincoln one of these years...I've got to see your collection. That 3R is ridiculous. That BB height looks way to high to be comfortable for long distances. Hot bike for sure.

    As for your Fargo...Nate told me how quickly it disappeared for a re-paint. How long had you been hanging on to the WTB bars? Ridiculous.

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