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    Before and after shot. Might not be to everyone's taste, but it makes a damn fine commuter.

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    Funny how some minor additions can make it look like a completely different bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_agent View Post
    Before and after shot. Might not be to everyone's taste, but it makes a damn fine commuter.
    Funny how some minor additions can make it look like a completely different bike.
    That bike is super cool, both fore and aft. You've given me the much needed push over the edge to transform my El Mariachi to a commuter. Over the past couple weeks I've been entertaining the idea of building a new commuter in the form of a Gunnar, but at the risk of dropping over 3K on a new build when I already have a very solid platform to build off, would be foolish.

    Since my MTBR time has slowly come to an end and my commute to work will be under 10miles when I move, Im going to commit to a rebuild on the El Mar.
    Thanks the_agent for the inspiration

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    New single speed cruiser

    Surly hubs and chain tensioner, bell lap bar, bontrager rack, race face stem/post, stylo crank. Commuter/light trail duty - thanks to this thread for help choosing new frame.
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    Latest little Fargo adventure:

    Playing Outside in the Shenandoah Valley: Bikepacking in the Snow

    And why I love having a rear rack on my Ti Fargo, being able to strap on another little stuff sack with some extra clothes. I know I could just ride with a back pack, but I really like not having anything on my back.

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    My Fargo went thru some changes...

    Earlier this year:



    After finding a complete Ti for 2199:





    So I pretty much swapped out frames and took the new wheel-set. Just went for a quick shake down ride...pretty stoked about it. I'll get some better pics soon. The '12 Fargo 2 now has the XT build on it and will probably get sold.
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    WTB 2012 Fargo L

    Hi folks,
    Anyone have a '12 Fargo in a large they are wanting to sell. I live in Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colotaco View Post
    Hi folks,
    Anyone have a '12 Fargo in a large they are wanting to sell. I live in Colorado.
    Post it here, I think it is $3, and you will get more who see it. I have used it often.
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    I decided to use a frame bag for a bit. The Tangle bag on the medium Ti frame was an issue with bottle cages. Didn't try side loaders but it would still be jammed in.



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    [QUOTE=SteveM;9759617]Howdy, new Fargo owner here since last week, 3 rides in, some tweaks to the touchy bits and I'm loving it, heres a few snaps from my first adventures :-)


    How tall are you, and what size frame is your Fargo? If you don't mind me asking.

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    xl or xxl?

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    yup, its an XL, I'm 6 foot 4 and its fits just fine, I swapped the seat post for a Thompson layback and the stem to a zero rise 120 Thompson just to tweak the position a little, very happy with the bike now.
    Steve:
    I'm shopping for a Fargo and until I read your post, I was looking for an XXL. I'm 6' 4.5" and more of my height is in my torso, if you know what I mean. How are you proportioned? How do you feel about the fit of your bike. (As you probably know, it's pretty much impossible to test ride big bikes.)

    If the XXL isn't for people our height, who is it for?

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    Link to my Fargo build report:

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    Quote Originally Posted by occasionaldirt View Post
    Surly hubs and chain tensioner, bell lap bar, bontrager rack, race face stem/post, stylo crank. Commuter/light trail duty - thanks to this thread for help choosing new frame.

    This is awesome. I have considered converting my Fargo to a SS but I have some major hill to climb during my commute so it probably won't happen. Looks really good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_agent View Post
    Before and after shot. Might not be to everyone's taste, but it makes a damn fine commuter.




    Funny how some minor additions can make it look like a completely different bike.
    That is a major difference in appearance! I like the first better but the commuter version looks very functional! The tires were a nice custom touch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I got this new 80mm travel Reba RL fork with G2, (51mm), offset for my Fargo Gen II. Can't wait for the trails to clear off in spring to try it out.
    Nice!!! looks like a load of fun waitin' to happen. Hardly recognize the Fargo with a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    I got a Selle Anatomica "Titanico X" saddle for mine last week, and have put 60 or so miles on it so far. It is absolutely fantastic - I really had no idea a bike saddle could be this comfortable.
    I have been kicking around trying one of these saddle for awhile. I am pretty happy with my Brooks B17 on my Fargo for now but not blown away by it. I have about 3000 miles on it and it's comfortable but after 5-6 hours in the saddle I still have numbness issues. Could just be I need to take more breaks.

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    Here is my 2012 Fargo 2 in Winter mode. Absolutely love this bike!


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    Nice setup! what tires are you running for the snow/ice??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebeard View Post
    Nice setup! what tires are you running for the snow/ice??
    That are Nokians.

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    I love this bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebeard View Post
    Nice setup! what tires are you running for the snow/ice??
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    We've got a customer at the shop where I work and we just got word his large 2013 Fargo Ti is shipping now. If I get permission to take some images, I will.

    Rack mounts missing on the new ones will maybe lose a few folks, but rackless touring/bikepacking type set ups are what Salsa is designing this for I guess. Seems that works better off road for many. Vaya still has rack mounts, and is billed as their touring bike, so maybe that explains things better.
    If that is the bike in the Europa blog then the 2013 steel & Ti Fargos do still have brazed/welded rack mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnystorm View Post
    If that is the bike in the Europa blog then the 2013 steel & Ti Fargos do still have brazed/welded rack mounts?
    Well, I can not vouch for a steel 2013, but yes- the 2013 ti bike has the rack mounts.

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    I can vouch for the Steel 2013 having rack mount braze ons.

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    I will be picking up a Fargo 3 tomorrow. I have a choice between a 2012 at a 25% discount and a 2013 3 with the dark brown frame (frame swap from the LBS)........will post pics when I get her home. Not a fan of the FSA cranks or the BB5s.......but $350 can go toward fixing that.

    ..............and when I have enough posts to post pics.

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    FYI a medium Tangle Bag from Revelate fits a Large Fargo really well. A Large bag is a bit too big, interferes with the bottle cages, and in my opinion is a bit too droopy.

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    hey there- i've been lurking for a couple of years, finding all sorts of info to trick out my genII- which, if any, brooks saddle would you recommend? any ladies out there with recommendations?thanks!

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    B17 is a good, reliable saddle
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    Hi. Does anyone have a lightly used 1st generation Fargo medium they would part with on know someone else who does? Thanks,
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    There's a gen 1 medium on Ebay at this very moment. Looks pretty good.

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    Thank you, but It looks like it is a size xl.

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    Oh, sorry. I was thinking this 2010 was still gen 1:

    2010 Salsa Fargo Drop Bar 29er Moutain Bike | eBay

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    Thanks again. Yeah that is a gen 1, but it is 22 inches, and I'm looking for 18 inches. Thank you Owlish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shannonmichaelp View Post
    Thanks again. Yeah that is a gen 1, but it is 22 inches, and I'm looking for 18 inches. Thank you Owlish.
    I have a medium gen 1 frame and fork only!

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    Hi rs728. Thanks for the reply. I would love to learn more about the frame and fork. What condition are they in? What is the odometer reading? Original owner? Tell me more about it. What else can you tell me about it?

    More about what I'm looking for.... Since the bike that I am looking for is old and Salsa did not make very many of them, I am not sure if what I am looking for is attainable. But I just posted, so I will keep my fingers crossed. My dream is to find one new still in the box. Or with less than 100 miles on it. Or lightly used.

    If your bike is lightly used, then I would like to talk to you more about it.

    Thanks rs728.
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    I've been looking at Fargo's for a while now. I am planning on doing the GDR in '14 and figured that it was a good choice for it. I've bid on a few frames on Ebay and was just narrowly out bid each time. I've even sent a few pm's to some of the members here but for some reason or another it didn't work out. While searching on Ebay again a new '12 Fargo Ti popped up for a good price and I just couldn't pass it up. The starting price was great but the buy it now price was good too. I didn't want to take the chance so I bought it.




    I put it together yesterday but the weather has turned bad again so no real rides today. It needs a few minor adjustments for my taste. I need a slightly longer stem with less rise/drop. Thinking about putting on some 9sp Ultegra brake/shifters off my wife's old bike, but I'll wait a while for that to see if I like the bar end shifters. If I keep them I'll reroute the cables to come out near the stem. The brake levers point in too much for my taste but that's easy enough to correct.

    I'm a little disappointed in the weight (27lbs with pedals) which is the exact same as my '06 FS Epic Disc. I guess it's got some heavy components- Brooks saddle and Thudbuster seat post but most seem reasonably light. Oh well, once it's loaded up it won't matter much anyway.

    I can't wait to get out there and ride it. I'll probably use it most of the time instead of my road bikes.

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    Picked up a 2013 Fargo 2 on wednesday. Got a deduct for taking out the SRAM drivetrain and brifters and swapped out the thudbuster for the stock post on the 3.

    I also added some VP platform pedals that I picked up from Rivendell. The dealer was very accommodating in letting me swap out and delete parts.....

    Set it up with regular bar end shifters thinking I'd give them a try and if I didn't like them, I'd pick up some Paul's Thumbies instead. Took it out on a 17 mile ride yesterday and am getting used to the bar ends - I may just keep them.

    Took a while to get used to the woodchipper but I did get comfortable with the position of the hoods. Did some fairly steep climbs and found myself using the drops themselves to stand and hammer.

    I first thought the deep brown and orange scheme was too much, but it has grown on me. I did take off the orange bar tape and went with the grey that comes with the 3.

    I still don't have a high enough post count to post pics. I'm picking up a quick release salsa clamp (orange!) and B17 saddle (in honey) this weekend.

    So the next post should include pics of the final set up.

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    Congrats on the new bike! The Brooks saddle, Thudbuster and DT/XT wheelset are all pretty heavy parts. I pulled the Thudbuster off in favor of a Thomson. To me the combo seemed overkill. The stock wheelset is ~5lbs. I went with some older Stan's Flows around Hope hubs and they were 1lb lighter. So with a good light wheel set I imagine shaving 1-2lbs wouldn't be hard. I'm not pinching grams or anything with mine, this is fresh info since I just swapped the Ti frame off a close out '12 Ti complete.

    Bad weather! With a Fargo there is no such thing. Planet Bike Cascadia Fenders and your set.

    For what it's worth the Fargo Ti complete comes with BB7 Mnt and I believe you need BB7 Road for brifters. The only difference between the two is the pull. So maybe watch for a set of used calipers or something on ebay. There might be a trick or adapter to make it work, just a heads up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluechip View Post
    I've been looking at Fargo's for a while now. I am planning on doing the GDR in '14 and figured that it was a good choice for it. I've bid on a few frames on Ebay and was just narrowly out bid each time. I've even sent a few pm's to some of the members here but for some reason or another it didn't work out. While searching on Ebay again a new '12 Fargo Ti popped up for a good price and I just couldn't pass it up. The starting price was great but the buy it now price was good too. I didn't want to take the chance so I bought it.

    I put it together yesterday but the weather has turned bad again so no real rides today. It needs a few minor adjustments for my taste. I need a slightly longer stem with less rise/drop. Thinking about putting on some 9sp Ultegra brake/shifters off my wife's old bike, but I'll wait a while for that to see if I like the bar end shifters. If I keep them I'll reroute the cables to come out near the stem. The brake levers point in too much for my taste but that's easy enough to correct.

    I'm a little disappointed in the weight (27lbs with pedals) which is the exact same as my '06 FS Epic Disc. I guess it's got some heavy components- Brooks saddle and Thudbuster seat post but most seem reasonably light. Oh well, once it's loaded up it won't matter much anyway.

    I can't wait to get out there and ride it. I'll probably use it most of the time instead of my road bikes.
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    Singlefin- Thanks, I didn't even notice the bb7 mtn's. I just assumed they were the road version because of the road type levers. I'll probably just keep it the way it is for now with a few cockpit adjustments. If after riding it for a while I decide I don't like the bar end shifters I can make the adjustments. I just checked on my seldom used tandem and it has bb7 road calipers and Ultgetra 9sp triple shifters. So it's an easy swap if I go that way.

    I am sure at some point I will get or build a lighter set of wheels but these should be fine for now. I just checked around and the XT hubs are fairly heavy at nearly 700g for the set. The rims also could be lighter at nearly 1100g for the pair. Should be fairly easy and not too expensive to build a nice but lighter set.

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    So I've spent the last several days pouring over every thread I could find on the Fargo- on MTBR, ACA's website, and Neil's entertaining experience with the Fargo on crazyguyonabike....

    Am I right in saying that the bike isn't particularly light? I guess that's the 'weigh' (haha) it is when attempting to build a durable and reliable expedition-type bike.

    I just mention it because my 2012 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er is right at 29 lbs, and is a bike I find extremely comfortable and versatile, although I wouldn't want to spend hours pedaling down gravel roads with the standard flat bar.

    I wonder...could I just bolt on a set of On One Mary's to my Stumpjumper for a little more 'touring' flexibility, or do I need this bike, too?? lol

    Need to find one to test ride.

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    Running Nokian Extremes. Heavy, but certainly welcome today. Dirt roads that were frozen in the morning, some hike a bike, and some slop. All good fun.

    Really need to move to fully housed drivetrain. Froze up / jammed up my rear derailer (I've got the front protected with the low mounted Crud Catcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    So I've spent the last several days pouring over every thread I could find on the Fargo- on MTBR, ACA's website, and Neil's entertaining experience with the Fargo on crazyguyonabike....

    Am I right in saying that the bike isn't particularly light? I guess that's the 'weigh' (haha) it is when attempting to build a durable and reliable expedition-type bike.

    I just mention it because my 2012 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er is right at 29 lbs, and is a bike I find extremely comfortable and versatile, although I wouldn't want to spend hours pedaling down gravel roads with the standard flat bar.

    I wonder...could I just bolt on a set of On One Mary's to my Stumpjumper for a little more 'touring' flexibility, or do I need this bike, too?? lol

    Need to find one to test ride.
    Weight is relative. What is "heavy" to some is no big deal to others.

    My Fargo Gen II which is pictured earlier in this thread with a Rock Shox Reba RL front suspension and a Cane Creek Thudbuster ST seat post comes in at 28.32lbs ready to ride.

    I feel that's pretty respectable for a fully geared front and (almost ) rear suspended rig meant to haul a load off road. But, if you want a similar bike with a lighter tube set, (albeit rigid fork design only), take a look at a Singular Gryphon. It has a rear rack mount now and can be single speeded.

    I've got both and love them for different reasons.
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    Thanks, Ted. I agree, the weight is relative, and a bike in the 28lb range for what the Fargo is intended for (promoted as?) is respectable.

    I really need to decide what way I want to go if there's a No. 2 bike in the garage. Sometimes I think it'd be nice to have a 20 lb hard tail to go zipping around, but that type of bike is not really the type one would throw a bunch of camping paraphanelia on and expect it to stay reliable....well, not at the Fargo's price point, anyways.

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    Yesterday, I went for a singletrack ride. My first time on these trails, and they're a lot more technical than the others I've taken the Fargo on. Twisty, rutted, rocky, you name it, it was there. Lots of really steep decents, and similarly steep climbs, as well. Making matters more challenging, I went with some friends of mine, all of whom race mountain bikes or cyclocross. I'm in okay shape, but not like these guys.

    After that ride and into today, I felt like I'd fallen down a flight of stairs. I'm far from new to mountain biking, but hadn't taken the Fargo on anything like this before. I've been a Fargo apologist with these racer guys for months now, extolling its virtues as a do-anything bike. But this was the first time I felt like I had the wrong tool for the job, and felt like maybe those guys are right. So...

    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    I really need to decide what way I want to go if there's a No. 2 bike in the garage.
    I'm in the same exact spot. I'm currently eyeing dedicated MTBs, and I really want a Ritchey P-29. But egads, that's going to be expensive. And I'm not convinced I'll do enough hardcore singletrack riding to justify such a bike.

    I'd keep the Fargo, because I'm already so attached to it. It rekindled my love of bicycles.

    And, on a side note, I thought the Selle Anatomica was great in those conditions. I only noticed its unconventional shape at the sides one time. In fact, one of the racer guys took my Fargo for a quick spin, and even he said he couldn't believe how good that saddle is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    Yesterday, I went for a singletrack ride. My first time on these trails, and they're a lot more technical than the others I've taken the Fargo on. Twisty, rutted, rocky, you name it, it was there. Lots of really steep decents, and similarly steep climbs, as well. Making matters more challenging, I went with some friends of mine, all of whom race mountain bikes or cyclocross. I'm in okay shape, but not like these guys.

    After that ride and into today, I felt like I'd fallen down a flight of stairs. I'm far from new to mountain biking, but hadn't taken the Fargo on anything like this before. I've been a Fargo apologist with these racer guys for months now, extolling its virtues as a do-anything bike. But this was the first time I felt like I had the wrong tool for the job, and felt like maybe those guys are right. So...



    I'm in the same exact spot. I'm currently eyeing dedicated MTBs, and I really want a Ritchey P-29. But egads, that's going to be expensive. And I'm not convinced I'll do enough hardcore singletrack riding to justify such a bike.

    I'd keep the Fargo, because I'm already so attached to it. It rekindled my love of bicycles.

    And, on a side note, I thought the Selle Anatomica was great in those conditions. I only noticed its unconventional shape at the sides one time. In fact, one of the racer guys took my Fargo for a quick spin, and even he said he couldn't believe how good that saddle is.
    I have a dedicated mountain bike and I have a Fargo. I would not even consider taking the Fargo on technical trails - there are people that can pull it off with style and without an epsom salt soak at the end of the day- I'm just not one of them.

    No, my full suspension mountain bike will still fill that niche. The Fargo, with a set of road tires, is what I'll turn to when I want to pull daddy multi-use trail duty or when I want to do a nice day ride with my wife while she trains for her century rides.

    With more aggressive rubber, it's the bike I'll use to explore fire roads with my older kids and it's the bike I'll take camping.

    I looked at the Vaya and the Cross-check as my potential second bike and neither put the same grin on my face as the Fargo. Does the bike make sense? Probably not - but neither does my 1969 FJ40 Landcruiser

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    But this was the first time I felt like I had the wrong tool for the job, and felt like maybe those guys are right. So...
    I go single track riding on my Fargo (2012 steel) all the time, that's pretty much my only mountain bike now (I've got a Sugar 2 hanging in the garage, but the 29er is way more fun!). Anyway, rigid, the Fargo is a fun but HARD ride. With front suspension, it's smooth, still fun, albeit a little heavier, but way, way easier on the body after the ride. I really enjoy it for single track use.

    That said, I've got a Niner MCR frame sitting at home, and I am really contemplating building it up and trying it out for single track use.

    I got the Fargo as a trail/bikepacking bike, but I've been doing a lot more single track, and I think the MCR will be a better fit (and it's probably 2+ pounds lighter just for the frame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiploder View Post
    I have a dedicated mountain bike and I have a Fargo. I would not even consider taking the Fargo on technical trails - there are people that can pull it off with style and without an epsom salt soak at the end of the day- I'm just not one of them.
    That made me laugh.

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    Was wondering if someone that has ridden a ti fargo and a steel 1 could tell me their opinion of the ride differences if any. Thanks
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    I had a Gen 1 steel fargo for two years, and my Ti Fargo is about to celebrate its second birthday...

    Going to the Ti, I was expecting it to be lighter, and as comfortable and a whole lot sexier, and it was all these things...

    I wasn't expecting it to be so much more efficient, which I am sure is partly due to the shorter stays, but it really has a lot more snap if you kick it in the guts...

    There's a lot more trail feel too, without being harsh. Like, you always know what's going on... It's hard to explain...

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    I've had a Gen I steel Fargo since mid 2010 and it is the bike I love and use all the time. Nevertheless, having ridden Gen II steel Fargo, I must say there is something lazy and slow about Gen I. Gen II seems to be a quicker, better accelerating, faster bicycle even in its steel version. On the other hand Gen I seems to be a better bike for loaded touring with more water bottle mounts, more space in the frame, with a fork better suited for fenders etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0pcat View Post
    Was wondering if someone that has ridden a ti fargo and a steel 1 could tell me their opinion of the ride differences if any. Thanks
    I previously owned a steel frame and upgraded to the Ti version. The Ti frame is even more compliant, dampening a lot of vibes and chatter. It's very responsive and lively feeling, I noticed this almost immediately. It seems to have a more poppy feeling on the single track. The steel version had all these qualities and the Ti version took them further. The rear triangle may have more flex. I can't really say 100% since I went to a stronger and stiffer wheelset. FWIW tires and pressure are all the same.

    It would be interesting to hear from someone who has done some loaded riding and see their opinion.
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    2013 Frame availability?

    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

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    When I tried to buy a small Fargo 3 from my local shop before Christmas I was told March for bikes and sometime in the fall for frames. Check with Bikeman.com, that's where I ended up getting the bike for my daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

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    I'm really getting tired of this. I've been told by my LBS "The end of this month, for sure!" since September. "The end of October!" "Okay, the end of November absolutely!" "End of the year without fail!" I wish Salsa would simply tell us when to plan for the bloody stupid bikes. It's putting my loyalty to a severe test.

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    Was looking forward to putting my Fargo to use this winter. Had knee surgery on Wed. so now I am dreaming of putting my Fargo to use this Spring! Did get to ride it enough to make a few changes and fine tune it.
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    To those of you riding 2013 Fargo 2s: any issues with those SRAM cranks? It seemed like there were many problems with the 2011/2012 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlish View Post
    To those of you riding 2013 Fargo 2s: any issues with those SRAM cranks? It seemed like there were many problems with the 2011/2012 bikes.
    I have a variant of the crank that's spec'd on the '13. It's way better than the FSA in regards to shifting smoother. I didn't really care for the design of the FSA crank, and the 3 bolt chainring sucks when it comes to shopping for new or different gearing options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Does anyone have the scoop on 2013 Fargo frame availability? I see Tree Fort Bikes is the only shop that seems to have them online. Checked with U-cycles (local for us) and they expected the frames to be in already. They are not sure when to expect them now. Any insider clues out there?

    Thanks,
    Bikeman seems to have them. Try phoning first before you order. I got mine there and thought their service postage prices and delivery time were all very good.

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    I've been thinking of swapping my gen1 frame for a ti frame... Now it thinking of just doing a gen2 swap.
    I've also ridden the gen2 and noticed it seemed "quicker" but not sure it'd be that big of a difference vs going with the ti frame.


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    Dear rallyrcr and all other gen1 Fargo owners, I'll just put this out there again: I am after a lightly used gen1 Fargo medium frame or complete. Thank you,
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    Hi Gang,

    Been lurking for a while, I believe this is my first post on MTBr.
    I received my 2013 Fargo Ti frame a few weeks back and built it up with a mix of old/new parts from another bike. I am absolutely in love with this bike and have started using it for my daily commuter.

    My current build:
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    I have been playing with different stems before I order my new Ritchey Trail.

    I will be holding on to the stock fork for more loaded trips, but most of my trips can be done without the extra capacity and so I am looking to upgrade/drop some weight.

    I have my eyes set on:
    -White Brothers 29er Rock Solid
    -Whisky Parts Co. No.7
    -Ritchey WCS Carbon

    I would actually REALLY like to have the Ritchey fork, but the non-tapered carbon steerer makes me uneasy. I have browsed through this thread and haven't seen much variety in forks other than stock. Anybody have any other thoughts, opinions on carbon forks for the Fargo?

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    I think the standard fork is worth at least trying for a while. If a light full carbon fork makes you feel uneasy, a fork that is strong like the OnOne carbon fork is only 200g lighter. After all, we are talking about a bike with wire beaded 50mm touring tyres, mud guards and a rack, etc if you are commuting on it.

    Good luck either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    After all, we are talking about a bike with wire beaded 50mm touring tyres, mud guards and a rack, etc if you are commuting on it.
    Good luck either way.
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
    The Fargo is eyeletted and nutserted for racks front and rear because it is designed to have a rack front and rear if you want them. However, I realise that that doesn't discount the option of not having them.

    All I was doing was pointing out the that a strong carbon fork was only 200g lighter. If that is important to you or you are willing to use a fork that in your own words makes you feel uneasy, that's your call.
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    2012 2 vs. 2013 2?

    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....

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    Gearing Questions

    OK, I'll admit I know very little about gearing...been trying to read up on it, etc. How low a gear do you need for loaded hill climbing, blah blah...

    From what I can gather on the spec sheets...
    2012 Fargo 2
    Crankset 27/39T
    Cassette 12-36t

    2013 Fargo 2
    Crankset 28/42T
    Cassette 11-36t

    If this is correct, the 2013 model would have a considerably wider spread. Or am I over-analyzing the gear spread?

    I realize a stronger rider, carrying less weight, etc., etc., can 'get by' with a different range of gears than someone else. Just wondering if the difference in gearing would even be a consideration in purchasing a 2012 vs a 2013.

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    Earlier I said that I was after a lightly used Gen1 Fagro medium frame or complete. I should of said that ideally I am after a brand new in the box Gen1 Fargo medium frame or complete. Just wanted to add that. Does anyone know where I can find one? Thanks, Shannon.

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    NDTransplant, everyone will have a different view on gearing depending on their fitness, location and loading. Personally, I couldn't use either of those where I live, so a complete Fargo was not going to happen.

    This would be my only gripe with the complete Fargo models. The gearing is not comensurate with the intended use of the bike. Not even close for me. Not slow enough - not fast enough.

    If it bothers you, the cheapest alternative is to buy a model with bar end shifters and change to a triple crank. The friction shifter will just keep on throwing the front derailleur. Then there is what was my only option because there are no Fargos in Australia and the complete bike shipping was too high. That is a custom build up, which doesn't have to be that dear if you are patient and prudent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    All I was doing was pointing out the that a strong carbon fork was only 200g lighter. If that is important to you or you are willing to use a fork that in your own words makes you feel uneasy, that's your call.
    Of the 3 forks I was asking about, even the heaviest one is 400 grams lighter than the stock Fargo v2 fork and the lightest is over 500 grams lighter! If you happen to have experience with any of the forks I listed, I would gladly take your feedback in to consideration. I personally have no experience with them, and so, I came here to ask.

    Thanks? for your replies.

    I noticed in Ride the Divide (5/5*s) and Reveal the Path (2/5*s) that many are riding Fargo/El Mar with rigid carbon forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    OK, I'll admit I know very little about gearing...been trying to read up on it, etc. How low a gear do you need for loaded hill climbing, blah blah...
    This is really only something you can answer.
    Personally, I will sacrifice high gears for low gears - I don't mind spinning out at 26 mph because that likely means I am going downhill anyway; but I'll be damned if I am going to walk up a hill when I can ride!

    That being said, on my Surly LHT 26in with 22x36 low gearing and 18lbs of gear, I have found that I have to walk up anything over 19% while my usual touring partner has a mountain tamer 4th chainring (16x34) and can ride up 24% grades.

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    Wow that is some low gearing on your buddy's bike, nasty grandma!!

    Thanks for the response.

    Enjoyed reading your build, MagicCarpet. Lot of thought went into your build, I can see that!

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    Anyone have an XL Gen2 Fargo (preferably in cream scheme) they want to get rid of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    I am using Conti RaceKing 2.2, tubeless - no mud guards and no need for a rack (isn't that the idea of the Fargo - Rackless mixed-terrain touring?)
    The three forks I am looking at will drop a significant amount of weight on the bike and can feasible take the unloaded weight down to 20 lbs.
    Careful with those Race Kings - I swear those sidewall are made of tissue paper..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiploder View Post
    Careful with those Race Kings - I swear those sidewall are made of tissue paper..........
    Is that seriously an issue? I work in a mountain-heavy shop and haven't seen any sidewall issues with the Race Kings (not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it). The lack-of failure with the Race Kings is actually why I chose them. My second choice is the Kenda 24seven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastygrandma View Post
    Is that seriously an issue? I work in a mountain-heavy shop and haven't seen any sidewall issues with the Race Kings (not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it). The lack-of failure with the Race Kings is actually why I chose them. My second choice is the Kenda 24seven.
    It was an issue for me. They came stock on my Fargo and I immediately swapped them out due to prior experiences with them.

    I had them on my five spot and tore the sidewalls on a rocky section of a trail I usually ride 2x a week. Never had a problem before and haven't had one since.....

    Don't know if it has been an issue with anyone else.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
    I cant speak to the Stans rims or SRAM crank, but I did just build up custom wheels and add a wider range cassette to my Gen2. I was having an issue with the front wheel coming out of true and I have wished for higher AND lower gears. IMO the 2013 spec looks closer to what I would build up if I was starting with just a frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
    I have a 2012, so I can't comment to the 2013 stuff. Anyway, for me:

    1. The DT wheels are very durable. My commute is on mixed terrain - mostly pavement, with some singletrack and gravel thrown in. I carry probably 10lb of stuff with me, between the big Ortlieb panniers, my work stuff, a change of clothes, and a bike lock. So the bike is heavy. I've also had some light crashes on the bike, no problems there either. After my 200 mile checkup, the wheels have stayed completely true.

    2. The FSA Comet on mine is terrible. Mine isn't even totally straight. The front shifting on this bike took me a long time, and some fully sealed Gore cables, to get right. And I still have to kind of nurse it along. Fortunately, I find I don't have to change rings all that often. For me it's basically small ring for singletrack, big ring everywhere else. The crank is something I've thought about upgrading, but I haven't bothered with it yet. Other places to spend money.

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    30 mile loop to the coast to get away from all the snow inland!.....I'm going to enjoy this bike.

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    1. My Fargo 2 had issues with the wheels staying true, I had loose spokes in the first 250 miles. I finally bent one and ended up just getting some Stan's Flow that were on closeout.

    2. Comet crank was annoying. Never shifted great and different chain-rings was on par with buying a new crank. I picked up a SRAM X9 crankset and it was night and day in shifting. The new Fargo's don't have Apex cranks, they are pretty much X5 cranks but called S1000.

    If you like the '13 color scheme pick that up, if you like the '12 color scheme then go that route. Either way down the road you will want to make some changes. For me 175mm cranks are long, I ride 170mm...so either way with a medium I would end up changing the cranks.

    Quote Originally Posted by IoC View Post
    Hey folks,

    Long time lurker, first time post. I'm about to order a 2013 Fargo 2, but I've got an opportunity to buy a 2012. Since you all are the sages of all things Fargo, I thought I'd ask:

    1. Any thoughts on the DT Swiss rims vs. Stans Rapid?
    2. Any thoughts on the FSA Comet cranket vs. SRAM Apex?

    Thanks! Can't wait to join the Fargonauts....
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    Just built up this Ti Fargo for a customer of the shop where I work. It's going on Tour Divide this summer with him.
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    What are people using for fiction shifters? I gave up on the flat bars. While installing the wood-chipper (25.6?) bars I realized I have not had drop bars since I was 15. My Power thumb shifters did not fit on the bars. I don't want bar end shifters because they break in crash. Yes, I tip over occasionally. Mostly when I am 2 days walk from a town. Trigger shifters are out. What if I need to buy a 7 speed cassette in a village somewhere. I expect there is a way to use old fashioned friction shifters on drop bars. I just don't know what it is. If somebody has full instructions on brake position, bar height, bar position, I would appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Just built up this Ti Fargo for a customer of the shop where I work. It's going on Tour Divide this summer with him.
    WOW! Just..... WOW!
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    That is definitely one of the nicest Fargos I've seen... Well done!

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    The Salsa Fargo Thread-imageuploadedbytapatalk1359229267.914279.jpg

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    Pic of my Fargo in mid-December, everything is pretty much stock at this point.
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    After a lightly used gen 1 Fargo medium.

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    Do you guys think the Flow EX rims are overkill for a Fargo if it will be mostly used for gravel grinding? I'm torn between the Flows or something lighter like the Crests/Arch rims.

    I'm around 180 pounds or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Do you guys think the Flow EX rims are overkill for a Fargo if it will be mostly used for gravel grinding? I'm torn between the Flows or something lighter like the Crests/Arch rims.

    I'm around 180 pounds or so.

    Yes. Go with the Crest if you are sticking to gravel. Go with the Arch if you want to hit a trail now and then.

    I would only modify that suggestion if (a) you are going to use the bike for bikepacking or (b) have a lot of fast, hard cornering in your future. If that was the case, I may lean more toward the Arches.
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    Everyone has their own personal threshold where a rim is just too much. I would have been a Flow rider for life, but can not understand why a manufacturer cans such a great rim. It just doesn't make sense to me and personally the Flow EX is too much rim for me.

    My off road Fargo wheel set has WTB Frequency i23 rims and after a short test ride I can not dislodge standard folding Geax Saguaros mounted tubeless - even though I tried. That's my personal measure of success, so I have found my new rim of choice at a fraction of the cost.

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    I'm running 36 spoke flows. Bike still only weighs 26 lbs as shown above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkaber View Post
    I'm running 36 spoke flows. Bike still only weighs 26 lbs as shown above.
    Specs please. That sounds pretty good for a Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluechip View Post
    Specs please. That sounds pretty good for a Fargo.
    Stock medium Fargo 2...except for:
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    Wheels: King hubs, 36h Flows, DT 14/15 spokes w/ pro lock nipples, 2.0 Crow tires tubeless
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    Everyone has their own personal threshold where a rim is just too much. I would have been a Flow rider for life, but can not understand why a manufacturer cans such a great rim. It just doesn't make sense to me and personally the Flow EX is too much rim for me.

    My off road Fargo wheel set has WTB Frequency i23 rims and after a short test ride I can not dislodge standard folding Geax Saguaros mounted tubeless - even though I tried. That's my personal measure of success, so I have found my new rim of choice at a fraction of the cost.
    I have the i23 rims on my Satori I just finished building up...they are nice rims for sure. Buit up super easy. Curious about your comment on the new Stan's...you think they are too wide now?

    EDIT: Just looked up the Pacenti TL28 rim and it looks perfect for the job. Wide and light and would hold up well to gravel/bike packing I assume? Anyone running these on a Fargo?
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    Went with wife yesterday to pick her new (2011 closeout) Fargo 3. She's having a bit of trouble getting past the color, and would have preferred a 2012 in cream or a 2013 in either blue or brown...but the deal we got on the bike makes up for it.

    Boxes o' farkle inbound. Bike is now in the basement, stripped down as far as it can be without pulling the cranks and cables. Waiting for the application of Boeshield to set up then I'll reinstall everything.

    My 2012 was built up from scratch and I cut the steerer tube to allow mounting two stems - one to hold the bars and another to hold a short piece of tubing which holds a front bag mount. I'm going to bump up the diameter of the tube to 31.8mm and build a dynamo-powered USB charger/light controller inside it. I lucked out in finding a NOS 2011 Fargo fork on eBay; the steerer tube is uncut and it'll be set up to accomodate a similar bag arrangement on her bike.

    If I could post a pic of my Fargo at this point I wouldn't...last weekend's dance through the muddy, icy trails got it thoroughly splotched with gunk.

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    What is boeshield and what do you apply it too

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