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    The 2013 brown looks awesome ...so much better than Salsa's web photos suggested.

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    Loving my Fargo Now with brown Brooks B17 and brown Salsa Gel bar tape.

    Still fiddling with my cockpit geometry, choice is between a 90mm or 100mm hi-rise stem. The 90mm I currently have fitted (borrowed from another bike!) gives a great position but the front wheel is a little light on steep climbs.

    For non-UK readers, these pics are titled 'Farguynaut' as they were taken on Nov 5 'Guy Faulkes' day


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    Beautiful sunset Tim..... or beautiful dawn?

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    Thanks everyone for the ideas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueViajero View Post
    Beautiful sunset Tim..... or beautiful dawn?
    Do you mean 'Jason'? If so, thank you and it's a sunset here in Scotland

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    This may or may not be the right forum for this, but what backpack do people like who ride the Fargo on multi-day bikepacking trips? Looking for something not too big with a water bladder about 3 liters... Any recs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    This may or may not be the right forum for this, but what backpack do people like who ride the Fargo on multi-day bikepacking trips? Looking for something not too big with a water bladder about 3 liters... Any recs?
    I have an older rei bag that has held up really well. Holds a bladder and everything. I got it from their online outlet for a steal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason-l View Post
    Do you mean 'Jason'? If so, thank you and it's a sunset here in Scotland
    I`m so sorry Jason.

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    I have been reading this thread since its' inception. in 2011 I debated between a Stumpjumper Comp 29er and the Fargo. I was working pt at a small LBS and the killer employee purchase on the Stumpy won me over. Fast forward a year and I had my left leg amputated below the knee. I decided my offroad would be a little more limited and we had moved 20 miles out of town with 5 miles of gravel to get to the ,mailbox and pavement. I gave my stumpy to a son and I ordered a Fargo. I am 5'10' with 34" inseam, ape arms, and a very short torso. As an indicator, my wife is 5'4", and she towers over me when we sit together on the sofa. When the Fargo came in, I knew I wanted to try and set it up with the drops. I left the steerer uncut and used an adjustable stem to allow me to get it dialed. I left the Woodchipper IIs on for 8 months. I eventually installed some inline cable adjusters to allow me to fine tune the derailleurs. With the Sram stuff, they should be included. I have not needed the ones for the BB7s, but I did need some for shifters. As winter approached, I went to some riser bars with Ergon grips with bar ends and X7 shifters and Avid brake levers. I also moved my stem down the steerer a couple of inches and used a 25mm longer stem. I also had to move my saddle back. I really like the set up for now. I hope to add a Mukluk to my stable in 2013 and then I would rebar the Fargo. I have liked the 10 speed cluster and I have enough gearing choices with the stock double. I just don't think I want to go back to the Apex shifters. I am thinking a Mary bar or something that gives multiple hand positions with mountain bike shifters and brake levers. I don't see myself doing enough offroad to justify suspension forks and giving up the multiple cage functions of the stock fork. I may even use some Gripshift on the next set up. I would have a mtn bar on a Mukluk with X5 or
    X7s.
    I have really enjoyed the Fargo and it would be the last one to leave. We ride a Burley tandem and the Fargo is my solo bike. I also have a 2013 Specialized CF Roubaix. It would be the first to leave, and it might to make room for a Muk.
    I don't do any touring. I have a 50 mile loop into town and back and the first 27 miles are dirt/gravel and then the highway back with the last 5 on the dirt again. The Fargo excells!
    The Muk would be my winter bike and a spare offroad bike for one of my sons in the summer.
    Thanks for all the years of keeping my Fargo lust active! I live in NE Nevada and have thousands of miles of old two track, but not much singletrack. I keep thinking of trying to raise Doug ID whenever we go to Lewsiston to visit her family. That's where she was born.
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    hi guys

    can somebody give me a favor and measure an L-sized fargo front to rear and floor to top?

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    Hi wombat, I have a L Fargo 2 2013.

    The height, from the top of the hoods to the tire, is 108cm or 42in.
    From tire to tire it measures 183cm or 72in.

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.wombat View Post
    hi guys

    can somebody give me a favor and measure an L-sized fargo front to rear and floor to top?
    Of course, the stem choice and position would effect the height measurement by quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Careby View Post
    I have come to the conclusion that drop bars aren't going to work for me. My back is old and battered and demands an upright, relaxed riding position. I've tried to get that with Woodchipper bars on the Fargo, but at the height I need they just don't work.

    The good news is that while the Fargo's short top tube and high head tube work against mounting a flat bar in "normal" mountain bike riding position, it's fine for the upright, relaxed position I'm looking for. My most comfortable bike is a LHT with Surly Open Bar on a high stem. Measuring it side-by-side with my Fargo, it's very similar and I can see that it would easily be possible to get the same position. The Fargo has a couple more inches of uncut steerer tube height, but because of the head tube angle it intrudes back into the cockpit space. Even though I need the height, I plan to cut the steerer tube and use a high angle stem for more "belly room". I've ordered a set of H-bars to try on the Fargo, but if they don't work out I can fall back to the Open Bar.

    So put me on the list of deviants who have strayed from the official "drop bar only" Fargo design.
    Because of my unique build and riding with a prosthetic, the Fargo makes an awesome relaxed mtn bike fit. I am 5'10" with 34" inseam and long arms and very short torso. The riser bars and Sram mtn bike controls are nice and better than the Apex for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by docfuel View Post
    I'm looking for a go anywhere bike. I was thinking a monster cross style with a 29er frame, rigid fork and drop bars. As a background, I'm really a competitive triathlete who likes to bike. Three years ago, I was talked into getting a mountain bike, and I get a huge kick out of it. It may even be benefiting my racing. I'm nowhere near skilled enough for technical single track riding, so I stick steeper fire roads and a few easier single and double tracks. I want a bike that I can take on on a trip and enjoy most anything that they have out there. I might even want 2 sets of wheels with different tires for pure trail or mixed riding.

    Some of the frames I've considered are the Fargo and the Soma Juice. It was suggested that consider a Surly Ogre. It appears, from the comments here, that the Fargo might be just the bike I need. I notice that there were some reports of shimmy, which I don't particularly care. It is unlikely that I'll be doing any trekking, BTW. I'm 5' 10.5" tall and have a 33 inch inseam. I'm 60 and not particularly flexible, so a long top tube probably wouldn't work well without a really short stem, which I would think, would make the Ogre a poor choice, but I just don't know.

    Does the Fargo seem like a good choice, or would you suggest something else? Any suggestions on a fork would be appreciated, as well. I thought that changing the bar-ends to thumbies would probably be preferable, as well.
    I don't know what you ended up buying, but I am 60, 5'10" and a 34" inseam. I also ride with a bk prosthetic and the Fargo fits my mtn bike needs and a L works very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    Hi wombat, I have a L Fargo 2 2013.

    The height, from the top of the hoods to the tire, is 108cm or 42in.
    From tire to tire it measures 183cm or 72in.

    Hope that helps!
    thanks, you helped me a lot!
    (i'm building kind of a closet for my current and future bikes)

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    I just finished my Fargo build...

    Tomorrow morning will be my first commute on my new ride. I have built up bikes before, but this was my first time building up my own wheels. They are ZTR Flow rims with the stickers removed laced to DT Swiss 240 hubs. I hope they stay as true under use as they are now...

    I have ordered a set of Tubus racks (Tara for the front and Logo for the back) as the Fargo is destined to become my mule. Once I have those, I will strip the OMM racks from my El Mariachi and convert it back to the simplistic 2x2 commuter I have come to miss...
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    Quote Originally Posted by landlocked View Post
    Tomorrow morning will be my first commute on my new ride. I have built up bikes before, but this was my first time building up my own wheels. They are ZTR Flow rims with the stickers removed laced to DT Swiss 240 hubs. I hope they stay as true under use as they are now...

    I have ordered a set of Tubus racks (Tara for the front and Logo for the back) as the Fargo is destined to become my mule. Once I have those, I will strip the OMM racks from my El Mariachi and convert it back to the simplistic 2x2 commuter I have come to miss...
    Beautiful bikes...

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    I have just had another fantastic mini adventure on my Fargo. This bike is shaping up to be something pretty special. I can imagine it being a very longstanding and faithful companion.

    So the plan was for a sub 24hour overnighter. It's pretty wet and cold in Northern England at this time of year. The plan was to ride, meet up with friends at a Beer Festival, ride some more, sleep in a Bothy (a mountain refuge or shooting hut) overnight, they go and watch the biggest historic motor rally in Europe the next morning.

    It went well. The Fargo was fantastic, the morning crisp and bitterly cold, company was great, the beer outstanding and the rally cars hit the spot too!

    Fargo on frozen Yorkshire Moors.


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    Result!


    First Dawn


    I'm stepping outside. I may be some time.


    Sun rises over the moors and on our way again


    And finally an old Porsche at full chat through the forest.


    A magic weekend made all the better for being on a Fargo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    Long time lurker, Fargo-newbie. Just picked up a 2013 Faro 2 and was going to post some pics, but apparently I have to make 10 posts first.

    Question: If I wanted to pick up some size 40/42 tires to run on the Fargo for road/easy dirt rides, what are some good brands/tires? Thanks!
    Just picked up a 2013 Fargo 2 myself, after the first ride I changed out the tires with some Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 700x40. I already had the tires on another bike, just a matter of swapping them out. I ride everything from pavement, rails to trails, back road's in southern IL to a little single track. These work well for me, but do have their limits. The tires are not very good in Sand or Mud, also have to be a little more careful when crashing single track, the front tire likes to slide out. If I did not already have the tires I might have considered the 1.75" or 2.0".

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    Anyone ever try the Clement's that Salsa runs stock on the Vaya? Debating between those and the Schwalbes....

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    Enjoying my Fargo! Nothing like taking a half day at work on a 30 something degree day so I can go ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    Anyone ever try the Clement's that Salsa runs stock on the Vaya? Debating between those and the Schwalbes....

    Here is a review I wrote: Gravel Grinder News: Gravel Grinder Gear: Clement X'Plor MSO Final Review
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    In early October I rode my Fargo across Iowa (420 miles, 50% gravel) with the Clement X'Plor MSO tires and they performed very well. I had no flats and found the tires comfortable and very stable in all but the roughest gravel. These are the tires I will use for all my mixed terrain road rides and touring. My Fargo felt like a totally different bike than with the Race Kings.

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    salsa / revelate frame bag by mbeganyi, on Flickr

    love the salsa / revelate frame bag.
    have the race kings back on. studs soon.
    really miss the vulpines. will be sad when they wear through. will have to check out some of these replacements. they have been my go to gravel / dirt / bikepacking mixed road / trail / dirt / forest road tire.

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    Thanks you guys, great input on the Clements.

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    front der

    sorry if this has been asked but what front derailleur are people using

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson View Post
    sorry if this has been asked but what front derailleur are people using
    campy centaur triple with barcon shifters on an XT 3 ring crankset

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    Have a shimano xt derailleur with force shifters. Took an xt 2 ring crankset and converted it to 44-28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson View Post
    sorry if this has been asked but what front derailleur are people using
    The new version of the Fargo requires a top-pull front derailleur, the previous one uses a bottom pull low clamp. I run a SRAM X7 low clamp dual pull.
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    Thanks for all the information will look into all the options

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    IMG_8843 by mbeganyi, on Flickr


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    time to put on the studs...

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    Suspension Fork Options

    So what susser fork could I use on the Fargo? I want an 80mm and I want to run my stock wheels with 9mm QR axles. I have a Gen II in a L. I want a decent fork for light trail use. I have some riser bars and X7 shifters. I don't want to spend $500 or more...
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    I run the Schwalbe Marathon Dureme 700x50 on my Fargo with Stans rim strips on the stock DT Swiss rims. I use the bike as a commuter over gravel and paved roads along with bike paths. Seems to be a great tire that does well on all surfaces.

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    First impressions

    Thanks to everyone for this great thread. It was really helpful in deciding to get a Fargo. Just wanted to comment on some of the topics that have been discussed regarding the Fargo, sizing, toe overlap, etc. I am 6'2" with long arms and legs, and size 49 feet. I went with the large size. It fits very well with stock components and is my most comfortable bike by far (also have stumpy and roubaix). With regards to toe overlap, it is close. I have about a half inch of room between my toes and the Race King tires that come stock. Am I going to install fenders, no. Size 2.4 inch tires, maybe. Studded 2.4 inch tires, probably not unless I want my toes aerated, will depend on the true tire size. But I am really happy with this size because I have been doing a fair bit of mountain biking with it and the clearance is good and the wheel base is even shorter than my stumpy which I really appreciate on some of the technical stuff (this is not a point and shoot bike ;-). I also use it commuting and it is a great commuting bike for all the canal trails, bike paths, and gravel paths that I take to work. Even good for the construction zones. It really is a go everywhere bike and really happy I chose it over the vaya that I was also looking at. My stumpy and roubaix and both starting to collect dust and are not happy with the new addition to the stable! ;-)
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    Nice Fargo. I wear size 49 insulated Northwave winter shoes and have fenders on my XL 2012 Fargo and haven't had any issues with clearance. Tires are 700x50 but I also did a few rides with the Race Kings before changing and had ok clearance as well with Planet Bike fenders. If I do a bikepacking trip I'll pull the 2.4 ardents off my NinerRIP and remove the fenders. Hopefully there is still room for toe clearance. Is the picture taken near Buffalo Creek? I don't recognize the trail sign but it looks like the landscape. By the way, my Roubaix is a little lonelier as well!

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    Hi 7ski, I too opted for the Fargo in lieu of the Vaya. Couldn't be happier. Really feel like there are few limits with the Fargo, and the sacrifice in terms of speed/road riding appears to me to be negligible at best.

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    The Fargo is quite possibly the best all-around (non-downhill/serious mountain biking) bike going right now. Light>moderate singletrack, gravel, paved, fire roads, touring etc. It handles it all.

    It has become my preferred bike in my stable. I have a Bianchi San Jose I used to use for gravel riding, and it is now collecting dust.
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    I'm asking here because many Fargos have Thudbusters, as does mine: how do you adjust the angle of the seat with a Thudbuster? I'm going to try that, or maybe a new saddle, as I love my Fargo, but it's become a literal pain in the nuts.

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    Thudbuster

    The thud buster has two adjustment screws on the bottom u can change the angle with.

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    Loosen the rear screw, then adjust with the knurled knob/screw that is about 4-5 cm in front of that and tighten the rear screw again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    Hi 7ski, I too opted for the Fargo in lieu of the Vaya. Couldn't be happier. Really feel like there are few limits with the Fargo, and the sacrifice in terms of speed/road riding appears to me to be negligible at best.
    I have a 30 mile one way commute and lose about 15 minutes of total time vs my light carbon road bike. Average speed difference about 2 mph. The comfort of the bike is worth it plus being able to jump curbs and hit potholes without worry. The bike is the Swiss Army knife of bikes!

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    The 6 mile climb from my house to the usual meeting place for most of my road bike rides takes about 30 minutes on the road bike and about 32 on the MTB with Race Kings. From there, I lose about 1-1.5 mph over the next 13 miles and 2100' of climbing. Downhill, if I don't spin out, I keep up just fine. Actually, if I spin out, I can keep up by tucking.

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    This might be pure sacrilege, but just a quick preview of the direction I'm going in as it currently sits in the shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miltony527 View Post
    Is your frame bag a Carousel Design Works? I'm fascinated by those. Salsa should make a production frame bag for this bike.
    They do!

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    Two years ago I thought about the Fargo, but since I had most parts from an old bike, I ended up with the Surly Cross Check, which is an excellent versatile bike. I never got the Fargo out of my head though.

    Yesterday I ordered a Salsa Fargo Titanium Frame!

    Model 2012 - there are some left here in Europe, and much cheaper than the 2013-model which is still not available here. I also ordered some serious parts, I think I got the right symbiosis of price, weight and durability.

    Ready to go my Fargo should weigh around 23,2 lbs, naked. Added with fenders and racks it should make a very light touring bike. Stripped I will have an excellent CC-mountainbike, which should handle everything I am able to.
    I am very looking forward to build it up. I will post pictures and parts list when finished...

    Richard

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    Richmotion:
    So if several of us put together a group buy for European Ti Fargos and made it worth your while, would you buy them and ship to us here in the U.S.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmotion View Post
    Two years ago I thought about the Fargo, but since I had most parts from an old bike, I ended up with the Surly Cross Check, which is an excellent versatile bike. I never got the Fargo out of my head though.

    Yesterday I ordered a Salsa Fargo Titanium Frame!

    Model 2012 - there are some left here in Europe, and much cheaper than the 2013-model which is still not available here. I also ordered some serious parts, I think I got the right symbiosis of price, weight and durability.

    Ready to go my Fargo should weigh around 23,2 lbs, naked. Added with fenders and racks it should make a very light touring bike. Stripped I will have an excellent CC-mountainbike, which should handle everything I am able to.
    I am very looking forward to build it up. I will post pictures and parts list when finished...

    Richard
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    Greetings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlish View Post
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    So if several of us put together a group buy for European Ti Fargos and made it worth your while, would you buy them and ship to us here in the U.S.?
    First you should know that the Fargo TI 2012 is sold for USD 2122 here in Europe. That was the cheapest one available, Frame only, of course. In your case I would wait for the 2013, I strongly believe that the newer frame is still cheaper in the US than the older one here in EU. If you are still interested I could ask how many there are left and what the shipping to the US would cost. But I think it is not worth shipping an already more expensive frame back to the US...

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    Good points. I'll be patient. Thanks for replying!

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    You´re welcome. Since I plan a tour across the western US for next year (already did AZ on my Surly) I was thinking about waiting and buy a complete Fargo in the US.

    But patience regarding a new bike is somewhat hard to obtain...

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    flat bars

    Great pictures and nice looking bike.

    Do flat bars change the rec'd frame size vs drop bars??

    Thanks.





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    Good points. I'll be patient. Thanks for replying!
    I have a US made fargo ti in XL for sale. ridden for 112km.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rides2slow View Post
    Great pictures and nice looking bike.

    Do flat bars change the rec'd frame size vs drop bars??

    Thanks.

    Thanks for your kind words.
    As for your question, I bought my usual size frame, never mounted bar drops. It's a little shorter than abitual but better so, with the stem can be configured to own taste.
    Greetings.

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    Thanks for your kind words.
    As for your question, I bought my usual size frame, never mounted bar drops. It's a little shorter than abitual but better so, with the stem can be configured to own taste.
    Greetings.
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    Looking for a 2012 Fargo ti. Any on-line vendors? Any help would be appreciated.....Thanks!

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    Me too! Size medium. TIA

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    Really inspiring stuff - glad you're riding. I built up my Salsa Fargo 2012 a few weeks ago, and have gone on a few single track rides around Phoenix on it. The initial build was:

    - On One Mary bars
    - x9 grip shifters + ergon grips
    - bb7 brakes
    - Mavic T521 wheels (super heavy)
    - FSA 20mm offset seatpost, 350mm
    - old-school, what looks like an 8 sp crank (nice shape, strong) 22/34/44
    - xt front D
    - x9 rear D
    - 11-34 9sp cassette
    - thomson 110mm x 5 degree stem

    Mary bars are great. They really put you back and upright. So upright, I feel like it's too much. I just tweaked the bars a little, instead of the Marys I put on the on one Fleegle bar, with a thomson 100mm x 0 degree stem. The position def feels more aggressive.

    I really like the grip shifters - they are precise, easy to use and don't interfere with grip. Downside is since the shifter is fatter than the grip, it does feel odd. Not too bad, but I'm still getting used to it.

    I also have ridden the bike with a suspension fork, x-fusion slide 29. It's currently set at 100mm, but I'll change it to 80mm soon - 100mm is just too much for that frame, feels off.

    Anyway, the fargo is a great hard tail as well. I really enjoy some of the rockier/more technical terrain with a suspension fork more than without.

    I'll post back re: Fleegle bars after a few rides.

    Quote Originally Posted by bwfox View Post
    I have been reading this thread since its' inception. in 2011 I debated between a Stumpjumper Comp 29er and the Fargo. I was working pt at a small LBS and the killer employee purchase on the Stumpy won me over. Fast forward a year and I had my left leg amputated below the knee. I decided my offroad would be a little more limited and we had moved 20 miles out of town with 5 miles of gravel to get to the ,mailbox and pavement. I gave my stumpy to a son and I ordered a Fargo. I am 5'10' with 34" inseam, ape arms, and a very short torso. As an indicator, my wife is 5'4", and she towers over me when we sit together on the sofa. When the Fargo came in, I knew I wanted to try and set it up with the drops. I left the steerer uncut and used an adjustable stem to allow me to get it dialed. I left the Woodchipper IIs on for 8 months. I eventually installed some inline cable adjusters to allow me to fine tune the derailleurs. With the Sram stuff, they should be included. I have not needed the ones for the BB7s, but I did need some for shifters. As winter approached, I went to some riser bars with Ergon grips with bar ends and X7 shifters and Avid brake levers. I also moved my stem down the steerer a couple of inches and used a 25mm longer stem. I also had to move my saddle back. I really like the set up for now. I hope to add a Mukluk to my stable in 2013 and then I would rebar the Fargo. I have liked the 10 speed cluster and I have enough gearing choices with the stock double. I just don't think I want to go back to the Apex shifters. I am thinking a Mary bar or something that gives multiple hand positions with mountain bike shifters and brake levers. I don't see myself doing enough offroad to justify suspension forks and giving up the multiple cage functions of the stock fork. I may even use some Gripshift on the next set up. I would have a mtn bar on a Mukluk with X5 or
    X7s.
    I have really enjoyed the Fargo and it would be the last one to leave. We ride a Burley tandem and the Fargo is my solo bike. I also have a 2013 Specialized CF Roubaix. It would be the first to leave, and it might to make room for a Muk.
    I don't do any touring. I have a 50 mile loop into town and back and the first 27 miles are dirt/gravel and then the highway back with the last 5 on the dirt again. The Fargo excells!
    The Muk would be my winter bike and a spare offroad bike for one of my sons in the summer.
    Thanks for all the years of keeping my Fargo lust active! I live in NE Nevada and have thousands of miles of old two track, but not much singletrack. I keep thinking of trying to raise Doug ID whenever we go to Lewsiston to visit her family. That's where she was born.
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    I got a Selle Anatomica "Titanico X" saddle for mine last week, and have put 60 or so miles on it so far. It is absolutely fantastic - I really had no idea a bike saddle could be this comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    I got a Selle Anatomica "Titanico X" saddle for mine last week, and have put 60 or so miles on it so far. It is absolutely fantastic - I really had no idea a bike saddle could be this comfortable.
    Yea, I, too, put a Titanico on my Fargo a couple of weeks ago. I bought the Mahogony one. It matches the decal on the 2012 Fargo 2. It has been surprisingly nice. I have tried Brooks 3 times and end up not being happy with them. I am going to put a Titanico on my new CX bike that is coming. Then I need to put a suspension fork on the Fargo. I am still liking the X7 shifters and brakes on a longer flatter stem and a riser ATB bars. I have held the Woodchippers back with the Apex brifters in case I decide to use them for long distance rides.
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    For the folks on here who haven't noticed: Selle Anatomica has their saddles on sale right now for $99.00. If you're riding on a saddle you don't like right now, it's something to consider.

    Another note: I asked about carrying the bicycle by the nose of the saddle. They said they'd rather I not do that, since these bikes can get so heavy fully loaded. I have a staircase to climb on my commute, and there's really no way around having to carry the bike up it. Mine's heavy enough with just my rear rack and commuting gear - I can't imagine what some of the bikepacking rigs on here weigh. In any case, with a loaded Fargo, it's best to not carry it by the nose of a Titanico saddle. Just FYI.

    Quote Originally Posted by bwfox View Post
    Yea, I, too, put a Titanico on my Fargo a couple of weeks ago. I bought the Mahogony one. It matches the decal on the 2012 Fargo 2. It has been surprisingly nice. I have tried Brooks 3 times and end up not being happy with them. I am going to put a Titanico on my new CX bike that is coming. Then I need to put a suspension fork on the Fargo. I am still liking the X7 shifters and brakes on a longer flatter stem and a riser ATB bars. I have held the Woodchippers back with the Apex brifters in case I decide to use them for long distance rides.
    Ha! I got the same color for the same exact reason. And I'm thinking about binning the Thudbuster now, too. I figure I can get the weight I added with the Titanico back if I switch to something like a Thomson seatpost. Maybe. It's not like I bought this bike for it to be a flyweight racing machine anyway.

    I ordered a standard Titanico, and was sent a Titanico X by mistake. I weigh 160 or so, and figured I needed the standard model, so I emailed. The next day, I got a phone call from them. We decided that I'd stick with the X, since I'm doing some off road riding. Not only that, if I didn't like the X, I can send it back through their usual return policy and get a standard. I currently have no intention of ever giving this saddle back to anybody, for any reason. I absolutely love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    I got a Selle Anatomica "Titanico X" saddle for mine last week, and have put 60 or so miles on it so far. It is absolutely fantastic - I really had no idea a bike saddle could be this comfortable.
    What type of terrain are you riding? I put a Titanico on my Fargo, as I love it on my road and touring bike, but, riding single track on it was literally a pain in the ass (and elsewhere). I was constantly in fear of coming down hard on the nose of that thing and really hurting myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolyg View Post
    What type of terrain are you riding? I put a Titanico on my Fargo, as I love it on my road and touring bike, but, riding single track on it was literally a pain in the ass (and elsewhere). I was constantly in fear of coming down hard on the nose of that thing and really hurting myself.
    Mostly paved stuff sine I got the Anatomica. My commute to work is 10 miles each way. There is some bounding through parking lots, construction sites, and over curbs and stuff, but its mostly paved road and greenway. There is also a stretch of singletrack, but I haven't had a real singletrack ride for any amount of time in months now.

    When I do ride singletrack on this bike, I can't say that I'm super racy or aggressive. But it's been months now, and I'm in a lot better shape than I was, so maybe that will change.

    Have you got the Thudbuster (or some other suspension seat post) on yours?

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    Quick question. Can I put Deore trigger shifters..or any kind of trigger shifter on the stock Woodchipper 2 bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    Mostly paved stuff sine I got the Anatomica. My commute to work is 10 miles each way. There is some bounding through parking lots, construction sites, and over curbs and stuff, but its mostly paved road and greenway. There is also a stretch of singletrack, but I haven't had a real singletrack ride for any amount of time in months now.

    When I do ride singletrack on this bike, I can't say that I'm super racy or aggressive. But it's been months now, and I'm in a lot better shape than I was, so maybe that will change.

    Have you got the Thudbuster (or some other suspension seat post) on yours?
    Makes sense. For pavement, the AnAtomica saddle is boss. I tried both it and a brooks b17 on singletrack here in Phoenix, and I liked the b17 a bit better, but both were just inadequate for that type of riding. I just picked up a Selle SMP saddle, so we'll see about that.

    I don't have a thudbuster on the bike, and I am not really sure I'll get one - the issue isn't so much the vibration, it's the hard landing. And even with a thudbuster, a hard landing on a hard saddle maybe damaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany1 View Post
    Quick question. Can I put Deore trigger shifters..or any kind of trigger shifter on the stock Woodchipper 2 bars?

    Nope: Road controls only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus7Clark View Post
    If you've got some specific questions, create a new post. We all need more pics.

    Here ya go. New gold ano Midge Bars on my Fargo Gen I that started this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolyg View Post
    Makes sense. For pavement, the AnAtomica saddle is boss. I tried both it and a brooks b17 on singletrack here in Phoenix, and I liked the b17 a bit better, but both were just inadequate for that type of riding. I just picked up a Selle SMP saddle, so we'll see about that.

    I don't have a thudbuster on the bike, and I am not really sure I'll get one - the issue isn't so much the vibration, it's the hard landing. And even with a thudbuster, a hard landing on a hard saddle maybe damaging.
    I can see how coming down hard on the business end of an Anatomica could be...eventful. On the other hand, in the small number of times I've done that with other bikes and saddles over the years, none have been a picnic. Aside from the hard nose and a perfectly reasonable fear of falling onto it, was there anything else that made you dislike the saddle on singletrack? Just curious. I'll be trying mine for the first time this weekend, weather and wife permitting.

    I put another several rides on the Anatomica, all on pavement with occasional detours through the woods. Yes. It is boss on pavement, just unbelievably good. I might ditch the Thudbuster. As I've gotten more fit, I find that on climbs, I feel like I'm bouncing around all over the place with that post.

    Anyway, this '12 Fargo 2 is fast becoming one of my favorite things I've ever owned. I've been having a blast with it. I never, ever would have predicted that I would bike 10 miles to work on a 35 degree day, but here I am, doing just that a few days a week. I can't imagine a better all purpose, goes anywhere bike for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    I can see how coming down hard on the business end of an Anatomica could be...eventful. On the other hand, in the small number of times I've done that with other bikes and saddles over the years, none have been a picnic. Aside from the hard nose and a perfectly reasonable fear of falling onto it, was there anything else that made you dislike the saddle on singletrack? Just curious. I'll be trying mine for the first time this weekend, weather and wife permitting.

    I snow put another several rides on the Anatomica, all on pavement with occasional detours through the woods. Yes. It is boss on pavement, just unbelievably good. I might ditch the Thudbuster. As I've gotten more fit, I find that on climbs, I feel like I'm bouncing around all over the place with that post.

    Anyway, this '12 Fargo 2 is fast becoming one of my favorite things I've ever owned. I've been having a blast with it. I never, ever would have predicted that I would bike 10 miles to work on a 35 degree day, but here I am, doing just that a few days a week. I can't imagine a better all purpose, goes anywhere bike for me.
    Yeah, beside the fear of coming down on it, my sit bones would get beaten up on it. I hear maybe tilting the seat a bit may help it, maybe I'll try that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolyg View Post
    Yeah, beside the fear of coming down on it, my sit bones would get beaten up on it. I hear maybe tilting the seat a bit may help it, maybe I'll try that.
    I have mine tilted nose-up by probably 1/4". The directions they sent me with my billing statement said to start at 1/8" nose p, and go for a ride. With no hands on the bars, see if I slid forward, and to tilt the seat back more until I didn't. It looks a little funny, and now that I think about it, that cold exacerbate the fear of coming down on it some.

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    I really like the B17 off-road, it seems to dampen things and take the edge of vibes. I didn't care for the Thudbuster and B17...was to much. I should pick up a firm elastamor and give it another go or mount the WTB Silverado to it. I could see running it with something like a WTB. For off-road I don't know why you are landing on your saddle...operator error in my experience has had me bounce on the nose and smash 'em. Any groin to saddle contact is gonna hurt. I'd suggest working to be more suspension like with your arms and legs anticipating impacts.

    On another note, I'm not having good luck with the Thomson X2. It slips every now and then. Might have to go back to my x4 until I can find one with similar rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    I really like the B17 off-road, it seems to dampen things and take the edge of vibes. I didn't care for the Thudbuster and B17...was to much. I should pick up a firm elastamor and give it another go or mount the WTB Silverado to it. I could see running it with something like a WTB. For off-road I don't know why you are landing on your saddle...operator error in my experience has had me bounce on the nose and smash 'em. Any groin to saddle contact is gonna hurt. I'd suggest working to be more suspension like with your arms and legs anticipating impacts.

    On another note, I'm not having good luck with the Thomson X2. It slips every now and then. Might have to go back to my x4 until I can find one with similar rise.
    I feel the same way about the Thudbuster / Anatomica combo. It's a little too much, it feels...wobbly. I also agree that I only come crashing down onto the nose of a saddle when something else has gone badly wrong. You make a good point that it's going to hurt with a Brooks, an Anatomica, or a whatever.

    Thanks for the tip-off on that Thomson. I was just looking at their stuff and I guess i'll hold off for now.

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    So I spoke with Thomson and they are replacing my X2. Said the bore on the newer ones is smaller. I'll update after I get it. Wasn't expecting that since its intended use is road. Either way awesome customer service!!
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    I went in a different direction:







    -Brooks B17 honey saddle
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    -Woody's Fenders - custom made Brazilian walnut
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    @the_agent: Best looking Fargo I've seen. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by krshultz View Post
    I feel the same way about the Thudbuster / Anatomica combo. It's a little too much, it feels...wobbly. I also agree that I only come crashing down onto the nose of a saddle when something else has gone badly wrong. You make a good point that it's going to hurt with a Brooks, an Anatomica, or a whatever.

    Thanks for the tip-off on that Thomson. I was just looking at their stuff and I guess i'll hold off for now.
    It depends how you're riding and what type of trails you're riding. But it things get technical, it's much easier to have a lower saddle that is a bit soft. I think Selle AnAtomica is generally designed for your saddle to be higher or level w/ your handlebars, whereas in mountain biking saddle is designed to be at same level or lower. So, for fire road touring, AnAtomica works well, but for singletrack, it's not optimal.

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    Thought i'd post up a shot of my fargo since my daughter got me fenders for christmas and i think that i now have it where i want!

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    I got this new 80mm travel Reba RL fork with G2, (51mm), offset for my Fargo Gen II. Can't wait for the trails to clear off in spring to try it out.
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    Great thread. Good research for my first build. Got my Fargo 2013 frameset from the LBS last week. Will post some pics from the build.

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    Ok guys, this is serious. I ordered a Fargo TI 2012 - frame. Unfortunately I won´t get it before January. Now because of the delivery delay the dealer offered me the 2013 model at a special price if I would wait for it. So the difference for me would be about 100 USD between these two frames. Downside is that I would have to wait even longer.

    So far I heard the 2013 model is no longer made by Linskey in the US, butted tubes, better finish - if all that is true. I saw that there are no rear upper rack mounts, people must buy the salsa seatclamp. And they changed the cable routing. What about the weight?
    Any other arguments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmotion View Post
    I saw that there are no rear upper rack mounts, people must buy the salsa seatclamp. And they changed the cable routing.
    Wow...why would they get rid of the rear upper rack mounts? That would be a deal breaker for me. I do like the new cable routing on the 2013s though.

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    I should add to actually provide a useful comment that I have a 2011 Ti Fargo which is still my favorite bike ever. As a matter of fact I'm loading it up now for quick overnighter tomorrow in the forecast snow! Should be interesting getting home if we get much more snow than predicted.

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    How much longer is the wait time for the 2013, or do you know?

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    As I order from Germany, Europe (living in Austria) any given information would not apply to US... My dealer said "end of January..." - the same dealer who said 1 - 5 days delivery time for the 2012 Fargo TI. That was 4 weeks ago.

    It´s not even the dealer´s fault, he get´s the info from the import company. I do not understand why they have nothing in stock, but say so. Nor do I understand why and how they can still order 2012 models. Maybe they can´t.

    I see that one coming.

    Given the fact I can still choose: Which one should I take? I still think the 2012 model is a good choice, I need less patience (hopefully) and spare a little money. And even I am not an US citizen I buy an american frame.

    Regarding upper rear rack mounts: Yes, they are missing on the 2013 Fargo TI. You have to buy the Salsa Rack Lock seatclamp which has integrated rack mounts. I can only assume that Salsa wanted to reduce production costs by getting rid of them.

    More riders switch from racks and bags to frame bags, overkill saddle bags and anything-cages. Maybe racks are overrated...

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    Tough choice. I would take whichever one I could get.
    For what it's worth, my LBS (in the U.S.) checked his computer last week and said there were plenty of Fargo TI's (medium) available. I'm waiting to pull the trigger because I've never been able to ride a bluidy steel Fargo to confirm that it's the bike of my dreams. Soon as I do —

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    I plan on writing a detailed account of my build. Here is a pic for now. I'm very happy with it.


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    Topcat how are you enjoying the Topeak Rack and rear bag?

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    MagicCarpt —
    Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what is the rubber piece on your top tube? A bumper, for leaning against supports? I keep seeing these on Fargos but not on any other bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlish View Post
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    Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what is the rubber piece on your top tube? A bumper, for leaning against supports? I keep seeing these on Fargos but not on any other bike.
    Likely for when the bars spin around to protect the top tube. That is what I have one for.

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    It's just to stop the bar ends from damaging the top tube. I started a thread about sizing Woodchipper bars in the Salsa forum a while back which contains some handy links to rubber bar ends that might negate the need for top tube protection. I am in Australia, so while the item is cheap, the postage makes it a bad value buy. I plan on making it a bit more attractive if I can and will get those bar ends one day. My bar end hits the cable mount, so no big deal as far as dings go, but could still damage bar tape.

    EDIT: Sorry, I must have been typing when bmike posted.

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    We've got a customer at the shop where I work and we just got word his large 2013 Fargo Ti is shipping now. If I get permission to take some images, I will.

    Rack mounts missing on the new ones will maybe lose a few folks, but rackless touring/bikepacking type set ups are what Salsa is designing this for I guess. Seems that works better off road for many. Vaya still has rack mounts, and is billed as their touring bike, so maybe that explains things better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    It's just to stop the bar ends from damaging the top tube. I started a thread about sizing Woodchipper bars in the Salsa forum a while back which contains some handy links to rubber bar ends that might negate the need for top tube protection. I am in Australia, so while the item is cheap, the postage makes it a bad value buy. I plan on making it a bit more attractive if I can and will get those bar ends one day. My bar end hits the cable mount, so no big deal as far as dings go, but could still damage bar tape.

    EDIT: Sorry, I must have been typing when bmike posted.
    The rubber bar ends suck, at least the ones I tried. Keep the tape / padding on there.

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    Does anyone use a Revelate Tangle bag on their Large Fargo? What size Tangle bag do you recommend? It looks like it would either be the Medium or the Large as the Large Fargo has a 20" top tube. Does anyone run either the Medium or Large Tangle bag have a preference for any reason? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysun View Post
    Topcat how are you enjoying the Topeak Rack and rear bag?
    I like them, easy on and off fairly roomy only down side is i can't put it on with my ortlieb panniers as the clips that hold them on stick up just high enough that the topeak bag won't slide into its track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I got this new 80mm travel Reba RL fork with G2, (51mm), offset for my Fargo Gen II. Can't wait for the trails to clear off in spring to try it out.
    I have a 100mm X-Fusion Slide fork on mine, and I think it rides great (although the front end is a little high, and I do want to change the fork to 80mm), but my question is about the G2 geometry - how does it compare to a non-G2 fork? Does the bike handle better/easier due to the extra offset? Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    @the_agent: Best looking Fargo I've seen. Nice!
    Thanks! It took about 2 months to get all the parts together, but I think it was worth it. Quite the head turner. I'll post a before and after shot when I get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolyg View Post
    I have a 100mm X-Fusion Slide fork on mine, and I think it rides great (although the front end is a little high, and I do want to change the fork to 80mm), but my question is about the G2 geometry - how does it compare to a non-G2 fork? Does the bike handle better/easier due to the extra offset? Thank you!
    First- Here is the Gen II Salsa Fargo geo page link for reference: Salsa Cycles | Bikes | Fargo 2

    Notice that the fork length is 468mm. In other words, compensated for an 80mm travel fork. That explains why your 100mm fork, (and the G2 Fox 100mm fork I tried first), raises the bars up. Longer axle to crown there.

    Secondly you will notice that the head angle is 71° on large Fargos w/stock fork installed. Fork offset is 45mm as listed on their site.

    Any replacement suspension fork that is 80mm travel, non-G2 will be pretty close to Salsa's intended handling traits. However; that doesn't mean you can't "tune your ride" a bit.

    Putting a G2 offset fork on the Fargo I have does two things- 1st it reduces the "trail figure" vs a 46mm offset Reba, which makes the handling a touch less stable/quicker. I like that. You may not. It is simply a choice I could make, or that anyone could make, if they wanted a sharper/quicker handling bike.

    Secondly, that little bit more of an offset kicks the front tire out just a hair, reducing the possibility of toe overlap. I do not care about that, personally, but it is a "benefit" for some, possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Notice that the fork length is 468mm. In other words, compensated for an 80mm travel fork. That explains why your 100mm fork, (and the G2 Fox 100mm fork I tried first), raises the bars up. Longer axle to crown there.

    Secondly you will notice that the head angle is 71° on large Fargos w/stock fork installed. Fork offset is 45mm as listed on their site.

    Any replacement suspension fork that is 80mm travel, non-G2 will be pretty close to Salsa's intended handling traits. However; that doesn't mean you can't "tune your ride" a bit.

    Putting a G2 offset fork on the Fargo I have does two things- 1st it reduces the "trail figure" vs a 46mm offset Reba, which makes the handling a touch less stable/quicker. I like that. You may not. It is simply a choice I could make, or that anyone could make, if they wanted a sharper/quicker handling bike.

    Secondly, that little bit more of an offset kicks the front tire out just a hair, reducing the possibility of toe overlap. I do not care about that, personally, but it is a "benefit" for some, possibly.
    Thanks for a thorough explanation.

    I think the first step for me is to correct the geometry by reducing front travel. Play around with it, and see what happens. I don't have overlap issues with my current setup, but, a quicker bike sounds interesting, though I'd rather just get better and see if it makes a difference. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acoldsteadyrain View Post
    Does anyone use a Revelate Tangle bag on their Large Fargo? What size Tangle bag do you recommend? It looks like it would either be the Medium or the Large as the Large Fargo has a 20" top tube. Does anyone run either the Medium or Large Tangle bag have a preference for any reason? Thanks!
    I have a medium frame and my tangle bag is a small. I ordered it directly from Revelate and in my notes wrote if medium is big or small feel free to adjust my size to what fits the best. I got a sticker with a note on the back saying a small fits best (for a medium).
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