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    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?

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    First shipment went to day

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    So when you say that frames went out, did that include a medium on its way to Alaska?
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    I got the frame the first week of November, originally set up with 42mm tires, fenders, and racks. I moved a block from work/school so I took the fenders and rack off for now. I'm running Crossmarks now too. And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters. I've only had time to do a little trail riding, but I've loved it on everything so far. Sorry for the low pic quality, no digital camera..


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    Head tube help....

    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.

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    Let's show some more Fargo's. I got the frame yesterday and after a day of playing in the garage this came out. I will mount my Burley Piccolorack this weekend, so I can carry gear or pull my son on his trailerbike. SMILE and RIDE....
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    Very nice build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters.
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAHTNOJ
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMC
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.
    Thanks to both of you. I already have bar ends so will probably wind up going that route. They are not as easy to shift but are drop dead reliable, and I want this bike to work predictably and for a long time.

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    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...

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    Calm before the storm

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
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    Here's a photo of mine from last weekend. I have been having trouble with knee pain when riding clipless lately, so I've been going with flat pedals. It's a cell-phone photo; I never remember to bring a real camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
    I'll have some pics of mine in the snow posted up soon. My frame should be in by the end of this week (fingers crossed!).

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    initial ride

    Here are a couple of pics taken during the initial outing on my new Fargo. The weather was too nice and the day was coming to a close so extra bottle cages and bar tape was optional. Epic Designs frame bag in the near future.
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    Black Fargo

    Nice paintjob! ...hey is that fun-guy black? I will one day (no doubt) need to paint mine... In the mean time my riding wardrobe will take full advantage of the stock color... after all, doesn't everything go with fun-guy green?

    Are those Dirt Drop or Midge bars? I dig the shifter placement... Nice build.... Maybe some Brooks brown leather handlebar tape would put that over the top...

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    stealthy!

    So did you do a rattle-can overcoat w/ the black paint job, or is that a new powdercoat?
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    i dig the black bikes.

    we have a powdercoating facility at the workplace, it took about an hour or so to scuff the green enough to accept the new black layer of powder. xxxtra durable.

    wtb dirtdrops, and as of tuesday it has black brooks leather wrap.

    i'll save the rattle can for the touchup ; ^ )

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    Hey d-ray.....

    Hey d-ray, I like your black Fargo, very nicly done, by the way. I wanted to ask about the shifter mounts. I've had that idea in my head for awhile now and you have executed it exactly the way I thought it would work. What I am wondering is did you simply mill out the shifter perches to fit the bar diameter? It looks as though that is what I am seeing.
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    shifters

    gt- you are correct sir. i increased the inside diameter of the mounts about .070". you also need to remove a good portion of the thumbshifter to gain clearance to stay in the drops. i milled and hand filed about .400" from the ends of the shifters. (i'll probably remove more next time i swap cables or re-wrap the bars) if these were placed on ergo bars (bell laps maybe) i think it would increase the amount of adjustability.

    the last modification was removing a 1/2 inch from the bottom of the brake lever mount, this allows you to push the shifter assembly farther into the curve of the drops.

    i think maybe i've been staring at nates multi mounts in the mwc jewelry case too long.

    thanks for the nice comments guys!
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    GDR Ride Take 1!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3340164890/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3340164890_390250995e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3339336185/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3339336185_364037cbb3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    A couple of photos of my latest Fargo build. Now it's time for a shakedown of a few pieces of equipment.

    I've also put together a flat bar Fargo and posted a few photos over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Here's the Fargo in action. post yours when you get it here...
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.

    I've been riding mine for about a month now and can't believe how much I love it. It rips. I've never had a drop bar bike that I've felt so comfortable carving, jumping, and generally just having way too much fun in the dirt on. In short, it lives up to every expectation I had for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.
    What front der. are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    What front der. are you using?
    That's an old Shimano low-mount Deore LX. It works great once I gave the cable a little "reduction wrap" to change the pull ratio ever so slightly (to work with the STI lever).
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    Stupid Question #632 from Fat & Hairy

    Please bear with me while I spew out my rant complete with stupid questions. First of all anyone who has read any of my messages can infer two things. "That guy likes to ride his bike but he knows literally nothing about bikes." They can probabably also conclude that I have poor grammar and spelling.
    Anyways going back to older posts in this forum you can see I modified my racks to include water bottle holders. Anyways as MontclairBobbyB pointed out the mods would probably intefere with lowrider panniers. At the time I thought I would forgo panniers and just tie stuff down. Well I had a change of heart. I emailed customer service from a major pannier manufacturer to see if they had panniers that would work for my front set up. (picture attached) He was very nice and e mailed me back. His suggestions were:
    1) H2O bottles have no business being up front
    2) Frame bags have no business being anywhere
    3) His racks are better than mine
    4) I'm an idiot

    Here are some actual excerpts from his E mail that I cut & pasted. I left out anything that would reveal him or his company:

    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tube’s mounts and one on the down tube’s lower mounts).

    Please, please get rid of the water bottle cages on the front rack and/or fork for safety reasons…not only to keep bottles from bouncing into the front wheel and slamming your lower jaw first into the gravel road, but more importantly from local riders snickering just loud enough for you to hear them (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”)

    Put your other racks on Craig’s List/eBay

    End of quotes

    He had rack suggestions from his company's product but never answered my original question of panniers. I should mention however in this world of zero customer service he did take the time to respond to me promptly with a lengthy e mail in which he did offer me his sincere advice.

    In any case I love my frame bag and racks both have had heavy use and have been awesome. Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?

    Also I have to mention this bike has been awesome! The mud season between snow & trail riding has always been very depressing for me but not this year. I am having a blast exploring old dirt roads and getting my fitness ready for the trails and hopefully some off road touring. Sorry for yet another picture of my bike
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    Fat & Hairy: Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?
    Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit. They are skinny enough and with an offset drill and mount job, they just might clear the bottle cages.I wonder also, could you jury-rig something for the lower mount on the cage that would make it more verticle? Like a strip of metal or something to cantlever the cage rearward at the bottom which should gain you some clearance for panniers? Just offering a suggestion.

    I was out muddin' with my Fargo last weekend. Brrrraaaaap!

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    Fat & Hairy,

    I'm sorry that you had that experience with a manufacturer, any manufacturer. It doesn't sound like they did themselves any good.

    As for Racks with lowriders and cages the only thing that might work would be an Ortlieb lowrider. I have not however tried mounting this and testing it. Will do and get back to you.

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    [QUOTE=Guitar Ted]Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit.

    Bring the big guy by the shop and I will make something work for you. When it was mounted I remember the Axiom front waterproof bag fitting, though mounted all the way forward.

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    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
    Thanks for your kind words.....

    Anyway, have you moseyed on over to the endurance forums and checked out any of the GDR threads? The bikes used in that event show the gamut from panniers to "junk strapped on" set ups and you can read all about those set ups. How some worked and some failed. Good stuff.

    Here's another great resource, if you have not seen it, you should check it out too. : http://www.bikepacking.net/

    Good luck and Good Fargo-ing!
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    Thanks G-Ted. I love bikepacking.net . There are some crazy extreme guys ( & girls can't forget Jill in Alaska ) hanging out over there. Sorry about hijacking the Fargo thread with my pannier nonsense. This bike makes me excited with the possibilities and I get a little obsessive. I'll calm down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

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    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    ....... I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you! You have no idea what a "breath of fresh air" it is to read those words.

    I wish more folks would understand this simple thing about off road drop bar bikes.
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    Chumbox, here are your pics...

    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
    That's funny... I was going to tell him to go Large. For perspective, I'm 6'1", with a 33-inch inseam. I ride a large Salsa mountain bike, normally. I'm riding an XL Fargo very happily.

    But that said, Guitar Ted and I agree 9 times out of ten, so if he said go with a medium, I'd probably cede to his advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Amen brother! Heck yeah -- I rip on this thing off-road! That's exactly what I'm talkin' about... Witness:
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    Smile Laugh out loud...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tube’s mounts and one on the down tube’s lower mounts).
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    I started a separate thread a couple weeks ago regarding racks for the Fargo, but it probably makes more sense to keep the info here.

    I ended up with the Tubus Vega. It's fairy minimalistic, but still has a 50 lbs capacity which is plenty for me. I liked the idea of having a rack made from good ole cromoly and Tubus has a great reputation, so I ordered one up.

    I wasn't disappointed. Everything about the rack was top notch. Nice stainless hardware and a quality finish. I had to customize the struts to accommodate the Fargo's extra wide upper mounts. Three bends to each, down, out and then back in again.

    Salsa was smart to put the lower rack mounts a bit higher than normal which helped with the tire clearance. Plenty of room with the Rampages mounted.

    On a side note, I have to mention the excellent service I received from Wayne at the TouringStore.com. I rarely mail order and always try to buy local first. Staying local and quality of service always trump price for me, but Tubus is not an easy product for an LBS to get there hands on.

    Wayne spent lots of time answering questions and learning about the Fargo to make sure we were choosing the right rack. He also made sure I understood he would be happy to take the rack back should fit be a problem. The box included good directions and more importantly, a sheet with tips on mounting the rack, panniers and other hints he had picked up after years of dealing with these things. Props to Wayne.

    Hope this info might help some of you as you put together your adventure bike.





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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    Yeah the guy hated my set up but he was pretty funny. He knew I'm in Vermont from the picture above that I had E mailed to show him my issue, when he's talking about the local rider Darrel goofing on me, (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”) he's referring to Darrel & his other brother Darrel. In any case I also went with the Ortliebs. Like Go Kart Mozart I had been in contact with Wayne at the touring store and I had the same experience as GKM. Wayne was super helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here are the shots with the new WTB bar...
    MG: That lever placement almost makes the "horns" of the STI levers like barends on a flat bar bike!

    You must be hangin' round mw too much. The WTB bar thing has finally rubbed off on you.

    Naw, just kiddin' ya! That looks great.

    Thought I'd share with the class: This is my set up so far going in to the Dirty Kanza 200 training. There will be tweakage! I have not decided if there will be a rear rack. Maybe there will be a front rack. Still working on it.
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    Exactly....

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.

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    Time to GO FAR! (far for me anyway)

    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
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    my "other" expedition touring bike is still green...

    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.
    Well, in the two posts that sandwich your post quoted above, what you are asserting about the Fargo is not the case. No "4" stack of spacers" and those are standard stems on both of those bikes.

    So, what are you seeing about these two examples that leads you to the statement you made?

    Both have quite reasonable saddle to grip area drops. Well within what cross country riders would consider for a flat bar set up.

    Seems to me that the Salsa Fargo design is working and working quite well.

    Now if you are talking Surly.......(you mention the CrossCheck) or other brands, then I agree totally. But those bikes weren't meant for what the Fargo is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
    Whoa! That has to be a pretty rare rig right there!

    I've seen leather portage straps but welding in a steel tube? That's some hardcore portaging action there!

    Thanks for sharing that. It is a super cool rig.
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    D-Ray,

    I hope to get out to Lincoln one of these years...I've got to see your collection. That 3R is ridiculous. That BB height looks way to high to be comfortable for long distances. Hot bike for sure.

    As for your Fargo...Nate told me how quickly it disappeared for a re-paint. How long had you been hanging on to the WTB bars? Ridiculous.

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    D-ray, nice nice nice Fargo.

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    GT-I haven't seen too many of those 3RENSHO 26" drop bar bikes. I thought you guys might dig the head tube length and fork rake. But JMKM is right, the bottom bracket height is interesting. The eighties were crazy!

    Mr. Meiser-You're welcome anytime, but my collection really isn't that impressive. Nate and his crew on the other hand...OMFG. If I could, I'd trade the majority of my stuff for some legs and lungs if it were that easy. You definitely need to come down and talk shop though.

    Chumbox- Thanks for the kind words! FWIW I am 5' 11" with a 31-32" inseam. If I was going to spend more time in single track the medium size would have been my weapon of choice. My goal with the Fargo is to commute to work with it as often as possible. I have a 50 mile round trip commute that is 65% dirt roads. It has and will do more singletrack duty, but for me it has solved MANY of my commuting woes. These guys won't steer you wrong.

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    Here's mine in Austin.

    Built a few weeks ago. Got to take it out on an o'er night camping trip to the lake this past weekend. It was good times.

    I set mine up for all around riding with the following highlights: Nitto Noodle bar, Paul Thumbie rear shifter mounted up top, Surly Nice rack. Mountain drivetrain. I have my bars tops about 1 inch above the saddle. Most of my riding is on the hoods and top of bar so far. I'd say 80% asphalt riding at this point.

    I spend most of my time on this bike exploring with my daughter in the trailer. Otherwise it is the most versatile commuter. I think I might try to see how many rides in a row I can do on this bike alone (road/mtb/commute) without switching to another bike. I could imagine going to an STI but that would require new brakes as well and it works pretty well as is.

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    ATXSS - That's another nice setup. Love the thumbies shifter. I'm really loving that people aren't taking just one avenue for the Fargo, it can be setup so many ways for so many purposes. So good.

    On that note (and not to hijack the thread at all) but was just wondering about bar end shifter routing. Some pics show it goes under the bar tape and out the top near the stem like the brakes and others have it come straight out from the tape near the drops. Is there a correct way or is it horses for courses?

    Alright back to the photos.

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    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.
    Response to both you guys-

    Thanks for the enthusiastic words.

    I haven't ever tried running the cable all the way up top. My bar wrap job started to come undone from the bottom on this ride so I need to redo it in any case. I may try re-routing the cable since it does get in the way a bit while using the drops. I find the Thumbie on the rear shifting more convenient when using the hoods as compared with the bar end option. I'd use it for the front as well but this bar doesn't allow both Thumbie mounts to fit up top. Right now the bike isn't really optimized for full on off-road riding. As much as I like the idea of making it a trail bike it seems less appropriate than simply using my MTB on technical trail rides.

    Other side notes - I tried the WTB bars during the build process. The Nittos were actually a last minute exchange since I had them laying around. I found the WTB bars felt great in the drops but the tops/hoods were too narrow. If you are spending a lot of time on the hoods with those you best like a narrow bar setup with the WTB Bars. I felt like there was too little control. Based on the amount of road usage I'm doing on this bike the priority had to be comfort on the tops/hoods.

    Also, I wish the MTB compatible Tektro levers had a bit wider hood design because they could stand distribute pressure a bit wider across your palm more like their newer road pull singlespeed levers do. I guess they were designed for drop usage primarily where the hoods are inconsequential. At least the lever action is very nice.

    Fully braided Jagwire housing works really nicely to keep the brake action firm without housing compression.

    As for the hammock - extremely comfortable and compact setup. I underestimated the weather on this trip. We had low 40s on a lake front with huge winds that took the windchill down close to freezing. I had brought a summer weight bag and no insulating mat so I shivered uncontrollably all night. Lesson learned! 8 months out of the year down here the hammock is ideal. For this trip I needed a thermal mat to be comfy in the hammock. Found an excuse to shop for some more bike-packing gear

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    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
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    Still a low-quality webcam pic, but this one was after returning from a road/trail ride, about 25 miles on road, and about 10 trail. Jandd pack is nice for some small stuff, an emergen-C, some food, a tube and tools, map, etc.

    Trail was a really rocky/rooty one, the "advanced" part gave my body a beating, but it was all fun. A guy on an FS Rocky Mountain paused his mid-ride cell phone call break to roll his eyes and say, "Nice rig." I didn't see him again on the rest of the trail!

    I'm not sure if I like the Campy Centaur/Shimano 9 speed set up off road. I stayed in the 36 ring the whole time, but was all over the cassette. On the road I new there were a couple imprecise spots midway through, and they were way more pronounced bouncing around and over rocks...I may end up going back to bar ends. I have an SS wheel, and might try a 6 speed XT set up first (I think the 29er tires and 48t would work out better being able to use the higher cogs and having a better chainline.) I also need to find a blue elastomer for the Thudbuster. I bought the post for CHEAP on eBay because the seller mispelled "thudbuster", but it only came with the one bushing..

    A digital camera is hopefully in the near future for me, and so hopefully more interesting pics will be as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
    Fair enough, however in comparison visually with a Midge it looks visually like it would be a better hybrid between a road and dirt drop design. In truth something like a bell lap does work better for this purpose as JMKM stated above. My Nitto is working fine as well.

    Just a tip for others to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
    Thanks Dan -- It was great to see you and your new Fargo out on the trail the other day! For as great as it looks in pictures, that thing looks even better in person. Guitar Ted and I are serious about that shifter project too... We'll talk more about that soon.

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    Hey all, I am thinking about building up a Fargo. Actually pricing out one currently. I am planning on using it for fire road, single track, pavement adventures here in CO. Also throwing some cross slicks for touring rides as well. I had some questions about some details on it. Here they are:

    1) I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.

    2) How effective is a pair of fenders that cover a 29x2.1 and a 700x35 tire working out for anyone?

    3) Here is the Big one I'm 5' 7" with a 30" inseam. What size would you recommend and what dim on the Fargo spec sheet is closest to my bikes to get size right?

    4) Any tips from all the build ups that caught you off guard that might help me out?

    Thanks to all of you for posting all the thoughts and pics. These are great, I am getting excited about firing one of these bad dogs up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.
    I am running 26/36/48 with 172.5s and it's just fine, no problems at all. I would personally even go shorter if I had a set of 170s lying around just to give me a couple extra mm for pedal strikes although I usually don't have any issues with the type of riding I do.

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    My 20" Fargo frame came in today! I'm just going to sit and stare at it's beauty!

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    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.

    That's my quick and dirty review...

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    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
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    I really like my Fargo. It is a great alround bike. Although I will ride this one with racks too, pulling a trailerbike next summervacation in Norway, I also ride this bike carouseled. Jeff made me a half size framepack for a different bike, but it fits my Fargo great too. Combining this with his amazing seatbag, barbag and toptubebag I will be able to do most of my shorter trips ultralitestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
    I think there is one in page 1 of this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?
    I'm sure you are aware of Charlie Cunningham's take on drop bars and Matt Chester's reiteration of that theory. The drop section does things to the riders wrists, fore arms, and shoulders that other bars do not approach doing to the degree a dirt drop does. I find it relaxing and comfortable. It ain't for everyone though.

    The "other" positions are terrain/situationally specific to a degree, but do come in handy. As for being "natural", I can not comment for anyone else. I find that it works for me. You pick the bar that works for you, and I pick the one that works for me. To my mind, the Bell Lap bar is more "un-natural" feeling, so there ya go!

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.
    I won't get into specifics here, but I will agree that none of the dirt drop bars is what I would design/want in a dirt drop bar. The Origin 8 and On One offerings both work fine for me. In some ways, the Gary bar is almost a mustache bar, and the layed over brake levers don't bother me in the least. Still, it isn't what I would design.

    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
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    More Handle Bar Musings

    I was thinking more on the handle bar thing and since the Fargo is such a versatile platform, I thought I'd throw this out for consideration.........

    We have had a great discussion about the plusses and minuses of "dirt drop" type drop bars, but I think road drops have their own set of evolutions that have rendered certain aspects of those road going drops very "unnatural". (Again....my opinion only)

    The modern drop bar is designed to be set up with today's "brifter" systems, (nod to Sheldon) and the main focus of that is how the hoods transition into the tops. Typically the end result is a flattish transition to bar top from hood that is set up so that from the side, this transition is typically parallel to the ground. The obvious benefits are that several positions are available that are comfortable from the levers to the stem. However; the drop sections of these bars is marginally useful to down right useless when the levers are set up as I have described.

    This isn't a problem for the average road going cyclist that rarely uses the drops at all. We could say that the modern drop bar for roadies is "hood-centric" in it's design. (Note: Not all roadies ride like I have described. I'm not saying they do, but I work in a shop where the vast majority of drop bars are used in this manner.)

    In my mind, the modern road bar has gone too far in one direction, but this to accomodate the shifter/brake levers most used today. To my mind, the Nitto Noodle bar is the epitome of drop design that promotes use of drops and tops if the levers are set up appropriately and the stem set up doesn't place the drops too low. Problem is, modern "brifters" don't play well with bars like the Noodle Bar and have a flat transition zone from hood to bar top. (But then again, should they?)

    Drop bars can be discussed to death, but I just wanted to point out that there are few bars that really do a great job of offering the useful multiple riding positions that a bike like the Fargo seems to call out for. I think Nitto makes a few that are reasonable and Salsa has a couple. Of course, there are various ways to interpret the set up that will accomodate different riders. Good thing we have choices!
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    I agree with Cunningham and Chester on Drop Bar Fit, but I disagree with adding complexity to a bar to only have 1 position. I know you, Shiggy, and many others like the current offerings out there. There are some basic principles on bike fit and ergonomics that we can all agree with, beyond that it comes down to personal preference. As they say, "there is more than one way to skin a cat!" I don't know who they are or what the origin of this phrase is, it is odd to say the least.

    I agree with your assesment of the noodle. I've got a set of them on my Casseroll and have for the last 3 years of 3 season commutes (the bike gets hung up for a fixed gear Casseroll in the winter). Yes, I have two Casseroll's. This is one of the few bars that provides good fit in the hoods and on the drops. It has a nice reach and a a nice short drop. It is no surprise that this is one of the best selling bars avaiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?
    One of the designs I am not privy to, but the other one I am.

    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available.

    I don't have any idea when it will come out, but I know it is being developed as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available. Hopefully the position on the hoods will remain nice and wide. Start at 46cm at the hoods and flare out from there. Even the widest Bell laps are right on the narrowest hood position limit for my taste when you consider the inward angle that the brake levers sit at.
    This sounds promising. Bonty VR is my preferred true road bike bar. Extend the drop portion and add some flair and surely you'd have a nice hybrid offroad bar.

    I agree with JMKM that a drop bar should offer multiple hand positions for the tradeoff in shifter/brake lever complexity, added weight from additional material, and generally requiring a different frame design in an offroad application. That is all a lot of fuss really when you think about it so you'd better be getting some benefits that simply adding an ergo MTB bar doesn't provide. Jones and Groovy both offer good designs in my experience to simply improve a single hand position on an off road bicycle, and while expensive both cost less than a drop bar specific frame - not to mention new shifters/brake levers, brake calipers, etc...

    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market. Kudos to anyone still working on the issue with R&D, especially considering that the current state of the marketplace in general today encourages more conservative decisions on where to place your resources.

    In the meantime, I also agree with GT in some of his description of the evolution of road bike specific "hood-centric" drop bars. If you are looking for something for your Fargo in the road bike bar world I find the Nitto to be performing better than I'd expected. I love trying out new bars but I may just keep these on indefinitely until something new comes out on the market with a really compelling design.

    And now some random build pictures just for more photo content...
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LnLo42H3VUsU4sFpa0BLDA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YhNx9MeI/AAAAAAAAEjQ/IYKx6L8EoSs/s400/IMG_7913.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qUlE2nUMopef1SyOPPgrtg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YiRyEQVI/AAAAAAAAEjY/K4fsrXrnR30/s400/IMG_8008.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0iKRiY7L4bnaDDSG3YETKA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YjWbN29I/AAAAAAAAEjg/Gp8n8LKvYt4/s400/IMG_8009.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/T4ywfCvAyoOeV7ko2Cfruw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YlT4_VDI/AAAAAAAAEjw/WeujZZ0g0KI/s400/IMG_8011.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shvGNNScKrZvacqEbccqzQ?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YnQgd8XI/AAAAAAAAEkA/cedcG7v5v3E/s400/IMG_8015.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NlapUqsmAsCrCRFtXnDAvA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YmqgOOoI/AAAAAAAAEj4/uCe0vnDrIx0/s400/IMG_8012.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oigRYUvIB4p5OZz4T3eYjg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1Yqrdu5RI/AAAAAAAAEkY/Av_vTDVcyjo/s400/IMG_8024.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f_ENXODmVYRjaDd5JpgZlQ?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YtQk_XJI/AAAAAAAAElA/KAYyc1rGp1I/s400/IMG_8153.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market.
    I think this may have been GT so kudos to him.

    Anyways...

    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.

    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?

    Examples:
    Go Kart Mozart and GT appear to do a lot of offroad work on their Fargos currently = they find the Midge a good fit.
    Gnat and JMKM appears to do a lot of path/gravel/some dirt, let's say all rounder work on their Fargos currently = they find the Bell Lap a good fit.
    ATXSS appears do do a lot of road/adventuring on his Fargo currently = he finds the Nitto a good fit.
    Mgersib appears to be doing the offroads currently on his Fargo = he finds the WTB a good fit.

    These are all guesses from what I have read but there appears to be trends forming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?
    Thats exactly what I think. Of course, like anything it ends up at your personal preference and intended application. I suppose this conversation really points back to the versatility of the bike. I posted over a month ago in this thread asking riders to describe their type of riding to qualify their bar choices because I was curious to find the optimal setup myself before I even had my frame in hand.

    In the end I got the same multiple answers that you've come to from reading through everyones response. When listening to any one recommendation you've got to think of what the perspective is of that particular rider making the statement. Ultimately you've got to consider what you want the bike to do for you in particular to make the best choice- even then I made the wrong call initially not having had experience with the WTB bar before.

    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.

    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting.
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?
    Get you one already.

    28.6 clamp. All completes so far. A couple to folks who had not heard of the bike before coming into the store. I found that interesting, not necessarily just people "in the know." Like I said, it has appeal to a certain type of person at first glance despite whether you've heard of it or even Salsa before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.
    Yes, hats off to Salsa for sure!

    Interestingly, Jason Boucher, the head honch at Salsa, said as much to me when we were first discussing the Fargo last year. He said that he fully expected to see a multitude of set ups, some that he probably would never had guessed at.

    I suspect that will play out in the coming weeks and months here.

    I just wanted to point out that Jason and JMKM are also playing with flat bar set ups on Fargo bikes, so I think that even here you will see set ups expressed to suit certain personal preferances that preclude the use of drop bars at all.

    In some ways, there is a too big a "dust up" about these drop bar set ups. I mean, look at road bikes these days. Hardly any consensus there, other than the Pro racer set ups.

    But to get to a point made earlier about all the "complexity" in setting up for drops that provide only "one" hand position, all one has to do is look back to the earliest drop type bars to see that one hand position was really all that was intended to be used on rough, unpaved roads. (See the old bars with the cork grips at the ends of the drops as an example) That said, I find that several positions exist and to say that they are not "useable" is really only in the eye of the beholder.

    I mean, an argument could be made the other way, had drop bar mountain bikes been the norm, rather than the exception.

    It's all perception and personal preferances. That's why the Fargo is such a hit, because it can support so many different interpretations of what is "right" to ride and for "where". No other 29"er, and maybe no other bike can lay claim to this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    ...Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudInMyEars
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

    -mud
    Ah good for you! Lucky timing eh? Just tracked it. Looks like you'll we'll have that guy tomorrow just in time for the weekend if UPS holds up their end of the deal.

    Hope to pass you on the trails one day

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    Greetings all. Amazing pictures - thanks for the inspiration. I've a medium S Fargo frame on order. I plan to put this bike to work hauling me arse and gear on tours. Touring both paved and gravel with sprinkles of off road now possible. Am a little concerned about the front pannier position, I've low rider tubus duo's on order. Judging from the pictures, seems to me I need to get the front load down lower because of the wind we have around here. Am having sscouplers installed after taking a cue from the seditious canary. Thanks guys for the pictures with racks and fenders . I'll post a picture when I get it put together and loaded up. Be back soon.

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    The Fargo is definitely trail-worthy--I cleaned a nasty, loose hill yesterday on the first attempt of the season that I had never cleaned before on my old hardtail, even when in much better shape than I am now. I'm using the Bell Lap bars, and after riding on the road a lot during the winter it's mostly going to be a trail bike until I can get some gravel exploration done this summer.

    Strangely enough, I ran into another Fargo owner in town. His is set up with some kind of moustache-like bars and looks really great.

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    I guess I'll add another point of information to the bar discussion.

    I've got my medium currently setup with a high midge setup, hooks of the bars right about at the saddle. Pretty comfortable in the drops, but I'll say that the top and the hoods feel really high. Almost uncomfortably high. There's a little bit of a stretch to reach the brake levers, which I'm not sure I can eliminate, plus with the bar end shifters there's a slight shift of the hands required to shift. The bar end shifters are super accurate though, better than triggers or the floppy shimano sti shifters.

    I've still got a set of titec jones bars with the XTR floppy shifters in the garage, which I was using before on my 29er. I find them pretty nice for commuting and general off-road use and even some short duty touring (75 miles or less). The single shifter/brake position is super convenient for commuting and the hand position is pretty close to the drop bar position. Plus the middle section is great for lights and a bell.

    Long story longer, I might end up going back and forth on this bike. The jones/floppy shifter setup is hard to beat for all-round type use. The drops are certainly comfy, but I don't feel that all the positions available are really that comfortable for me, as I have them up high enough to really utilize the hooks.

    I'll have to get some pictures up soon, pretty plain jane setup though, XT with Avid Mechs, currently sporting 2.35 big apples, midges, etc. Super commuter mode...

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    My Fargo

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    so, has anyone set up his fargo as single speed yet or am i going to be first (i think i haven't even seen one without multiple chainrings)?
    i'm just waiting for the front wheel.. looking forward to get the rig rolling tomorrow. i will take some pictures then.

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    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    Yes...

    I ran into this problem with my fargo. I called Salsa and was told to do one of two things:

    1. Return the fork to your Salsa dealer to get a new fork.

    2. Bolt on a brake adapter and use pliers to bend out the disk brake mount. (This is the method I chose and it worked just fine. The advantage of steel frames.)

    Salsa is aware of the problem and said that it was a hiccup in the production run. They said they are doing method two above when assembling the complete bikes.

    Hope this helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by papajoe
    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    I ran into the same problem. Put some tape over the jaws of a crescent wrench, then tighten it down on the brake mount. Pull to the outside just a little bit, and it comes into alignment perfectly. No scratch to the paint, and everything will bolt together nicely.

    I was wondering if Salsa knew about that, but it was an easy fix, so I didn't raise a stink about it.

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    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo? I’m 6’3”, 36” inseam, ride a 61 cm road bike. I haven’t ridden an MTB in ages, but when I did I was on a 21”. I see using the Fargo for long dirt road rides, as a well as on- and maybe off-road touring.

    My current bike is a mid-80s Novara Strada road sport/touring, and I am very comfortable on it. Is has relatively upright geometry. Here are the specs, as I have been able to measure them:
    Top tube 570mm
    Saddle height 810mm
    Top of saddle to handlebar 680mm
    Height difference between saddle and hbar 0mm - however, I am fine with a bar a 4cm or so below the saddle
    Standover at ctr of TT 890mm

    Comparing these specs to the Fargo’s it seems that an XL Fargo is the right choice – but because my Novara is more of a road sport frame, I am not sure if that is an ideal comparison. Any ideas?

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    Fargo - The Perfect Mutant Road Bike?

    My friends and I have been getting into mixed rides (on/off-road with as much offroad as possible)... we call them "mutant road rides", mainly because we transformed (mutated) bikes from the 80s that were originally intended for MTBing (e.g. Trek 950, Giant ATX770 and Specialized Stumpjumper), into "all-road bikes" with Schwalbe Fat Frank slicks or Big Apples on em... These bikes were BORN to be mutant!

    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!

    I am running the Titec H-bars... they're awesome. I just swapped out my friction Suntour XC thumbies (sad to say), and went with SRAM XO Gripshifters... Doesn't look nearly as cool, but too many mis-shifts when I least needed it...

    Will post pics from the mutant century ride. The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....
    I fully expect that DP and GT have thrown more than a fair share of dirt our way on this year's TI route based on comments and photos that have been posted. If there was a "Level D" road in the state, I'm fairly certain those two would have found it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!
    Now that most of the ice is gone up here, I switched my tires over to the big Apples too. On my other bike, they were great off-road, as long as I stayed on the hardpack. I plan on doing a couple of trips this summer with the Apples too. Have to love the cush ride on the rough roads. It reminds me of my first bike, a banana-seat number with round, bouncy tires. What a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seankno
    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo?
    We are not ignoring you, this was discussed in the first page of this thread and many other Fargo threads here. You might want to go back and review them first?
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    Anyone have any updates on doing any serious single tracking on the Fargo or are we just talking dirt/gravel here all the time? I suspect GT might have (I have read your previous off road post on twentynineinches). That would be one of my main purposes for a Fargo.

    Sure it's a mountain bike but not seeing a lot of reports of moutain biking being done on it so far, although I'm sure it will hack the abuse.

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    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale
    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL
    Yeah, thanks, i found that just a little while ago myself, it looks more fitting to me, but still on the look for the XXL one.

    Im 191cm tall, so i think its between xl and xxl for me, so id love to check out an xxl as well.

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    Rack question

    I've been using the Surly nice rack. Beautifully designed and functional but heavy for my (non-transcontinental) needs. Anyone tried that Civia rear alumium rack on their Fargo yet? Just concerned about the fit on the bike.

    I need something extremely wide to support my Arkel trunk bag properly. I'm aware of the Tubus cargo for similar weight, just figured the Civia was cheaper and I like the Company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.
    mgersib has a big one. Here's a post from his blog that shows it well: http://dirtstories.blogspot.com/2009...d-new-wtb.html
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