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    if set up correctly, you wont need them, but they are nice to have
    post a pic of what you got though...they dont have to be mounted at the downtube cable stops as shown in the picture, you can run them inline in the cable between the downtube stops and shifters (which may be what the ones you have are intended for)

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    I set up the front D as it should be and if I find a case of it needing adjustment I use the trim function of the shift lever. The only issue is with cable stretch, you can't just "adjust" it out. I plan to add the Jagwire mini rubber coated adjusters in white (Tree Fort Bikes has them for $9.95 and they do ship to Canada although postage would be a bit much).
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    Thanks clewttu and Ocho...heading to my lbs after work to pick up my wheels, should get it sorted there...did have a look on jenson and i see the minibarrel adjusters from jagwire...
    its just the front i really need it for.
    thanks for the help...hopefully next time i post it'll be to share experience of the new ride...
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    I get my 2011 today. I will let you know.

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    Just got my 2011 frameset in today. Hopefully build it this weekend!
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    Sorry, here is the pick of the new Fargo
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    Mud tires on the Fargo...

    Hey everyone.
    I have been riding my Fargo as a commuter and local tourer with WTB Vulpines. We have a few trails in the area that are great, and approved, for wet conditions riding. I am tired of hosing down my Knolly Delirium and want to run the Fargo more on the wet days.

    Part of the reason I want to run the Fargo is the fact that I have modified Cascadia fenders already mounted up. I run Maxxis Ardents on my 26" MTB and I really like them for the majorty of riding I do.

    Does anyone know if the 2.4 Ardents will fit with the Cascadia fenders? I could bend the metal tabs on the fenders a bit if needed. I am not considering the 2.25 Ardents in 29 because they do not have the EXO protection.

    The other tires I am considering are the WTB Bronson and Bontrager Jones mud X. I can easily find the Ardents but not sure about the Bronsons or JMX's. If anyone has comments on these tires I am all ears. The Vulpines will go back on the Fargo once the trails dry out some.

    Thanks!

    All of these tires cost about the same and would like to stick with WTB or Maxiss if possible.
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    The Ardent 2.4"ers are huge. I wouldn't think they would even fit at all without fenders on wider rims, say Semis, and gordos for sure. My Gordo/Ardent 2.4"ers were 62+ millimeters wide, so you can figure not having the Cascadias cover the Ardent very well, if at all.

    The Mud X would be where I would go here. The tires will easily fit under the fenders, and they slay mud.

    Bronsons wouldn't work that well. To close in the knob placement and they are flimsy knobs on the edges of the tires too.
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    Colinmonty, can't wait to see the complete build. It must feel like Christmas for you.

    About the earlier discussions of the Vulpines--I've used them on miles of pavement (and gravel roads as well) and I'm very pleased with them. They didn't seem to wear prematurely, even on chip sealed roads. I've tried other tires but in my experience nothing beats the low rolling resistance of the Vulpines and I've used them for 2 seasons and am just now mounting new ones for this season. I do like how tall the tires are which gives one a cushier ride.

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    vulpines are great
    I used them on my attempt at the Tour Divide
    this weekend I used them on the Solvang Double
    a lot of touring down the coast, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The Ardent 2.4"ers are huge. I wouldn't think they would even fit at all without fenders on wider rims, say Semis, and gordos for sure. My Gordo/Ardent 2.4"ers were 62+ millimeters wide, so you can figure not having the Cascadias cover the Ardent very well, if at all.

    The Mud X would be where I would go here. The tires will easily fit under the fenders, and they slay mud.

    Bronsons wouldn't work that well. To close in the knob placement and they are flimsy knobs on the edges of the tires too.
    Thanks for the reply Ted. Guess I need to visit a local Bontrager dealer for some mud X tires.

    +++on the Vulpines for all around riding without much mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargal
    Colinmonty, can't wait to see the complete build. It must feel like Christmas for you.
    It does. I have it half built right now. Want to finish so I can ride it this weekend.

    I also run vulpines. I do switch to a 700x40 tire if I am doing city riding. Why wear out my Vulpines riding thru the mean streets of Detroit!!!!

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    colinmonty - Glad to see the 2011 FGG frames are shipping. I have one on order too. I do have to say I like the old downtube graphics with the red lettering a little better. Guess I'll have to get used to it. Excited to see your finished build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfuller
    colinmonty - Glad to see the 2011 FGG frames are shipping. I have one on order too. I do have to say I like the old downtube graphics with the red lettering a little better. Guess I'll have to get used to it. Excited to see your finished build.

    I liked the red lettering of the old Fargo. I am glad that they still provide the fgg. I like it a lot better than the cream. I also like the suspension correctedfork. Makes the steer tube shorter. My old xxl steer tube is so long that it looks weird. I will post pics when I am done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinmonty
    I liked the red lettering of the old Fargo. I am glad that they still provide the fgg. I like it a lot better than the cream. I also like the suspension correctedfork. Makes the steer tube shorter. My old xxl steer tube is so long that it looks weird. I will post pics when I am done.
    Sounds like a lot of my thoughts too. I wouldn't have gone to the 2011 had they not run this batch of FGG frames. Suspension correction was one thing for me, and the slightly shorter top tube as well. I also wanted a fork built to work with the anything cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfuller
    Sounds like a lot of my thoughts too. I wouldn't have gone to the 2011 had they not run this batch of FGG frames. Suspension correction was one thing for me, and the slightly shorter top tube as well. I also wanted a fork built to work with the anything cages.
    One reason I made the change was that the XXL was just a little to large. As everyone has said before, it is really difficult to pick out the correct size. I had the last 2010 XL ordered, but someone bought it from under me. Hopefully this XL will fit.

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    Loaded up on a S24O last week.
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    Sprig is here!

    Shot ride in Oslo's untouched mini valley, the Mærradalen.
    Apologies for the bad photo quality, but I had to use AquaPack on my cell due to snowfall, which unfortunately cannot be seen in the photos.
    The Chariot trailer made the trip more challenging.
    Below the 3 inches of fresh snow there was rock hard ice, so the studded Nokians were great here

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    Great bumper (fender) sticker in that last shot!

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    suspension forks! ....fargo to... farman...manfar

    Anyone else doing it???
    ....suspension....
    haha must be a few trying this right now.
    Forks ordered, offset fears dispensed with, just looking forward to dialing it all in. Should be ready in the next few weeks with new racks and frame bag as well so we'll see how it goes.
    i do have some concerns on bike set up now as i'm in going to forks now rather than later as intended.
    i'm wondering if very lightly loaded anything cages on the slider tubes is a terrible idea?, if it is and I like the idea of light load still being used with cages do does anybody out there think some kind of tubus like skewer mounting could be used with clamps on suspension sliders?
    another puzzle right now is where i'm going to load my heavy as hell fuggedabout mini and cable on my fairly light setup. After being sure of going with a tubus vega, i decide to go with the longer decked nifty looking wanderlust rack. i'm not sure now because its aluminium and i need to load that lock on there, I wonder if the tubus is the better call...
    great to see people mission pictures
    thanks all

    cheers

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    Ok a few of my new Gen II Fargo






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    How does it compare to the gen 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    How does it compare to the gen 1?
    Steering feels quicker and it is still a very comfortable bike. Went from a med to a large and happy I did. Have yet to take it out fully loaded so can't comment on that aspect yet. Hopefully next weekend if the weather cooperates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Ok a few of my new Gen II Fargo
    Hey Doug, couldn't make out which Schwalbe tyres you are running..
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    Finally got my 2011 built. Unfortunately, the weather did not cooperate this weekend, so I did not ride it. I will try to get it out next weekend and get some pics. Hopefully ride some rough terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdstorer
    Hey Doug, couldn't make out which Schwalbe tyres you are running..
    Marathon XR 50's (2.0?) Sad to say I think I got the last pair they had in the warehouse. Seems like they are moving away from the wider sizes. I love these tires.....good traction, extreme puncture resistance, and they last almost forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Marathon XR 50's (2.0?) Sad to say I think I got the last pair they had in the warehouse.
    Fished around for a pair of these without success, tossed up between the Schwalbe Supreme 2.0s and the WTB Vulpine 2.1s and decided as I'll be touring onroad more than I'll be playing about offroad, bought the Supremes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Ok a few of my new Gen II Fargo
    Did you get a ti Fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargal
    Did you get a ti Fargo?

    No. It is a steel frame.

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    Smile suspension dilemas

    i think i need advice/opinions here..please .if anyone can offer perspective i'd be stoked!
    so i'm putting on forks now, thats for sure, but i'm re thinking my setup.
    was going to go with low weight bar bag and lightly loaded 'anything cages' on the rigid forks.
    too late in the year for a custom frame bag other than diy (which i keep coming back to).... so, either a mtn or touring tango from Eric @ revelate with a third everything cage on downtube. looks like this could boost carrying capacity in that area with the smaller tango sized frame bag and additional drybag in the cage.
    at the back i've moved back to rack idea because I think really i'm after versatility and the ability to further load the bike when necessary. tubus vega seems like the available one that i like, and its lighter than the other candidate, a wanderlust which are out of stock for a while i think.
    not sure what to do in place of everything cages up front with the forks.
    an omm rack at the front is too much, when all i'm after is the kinda loading i would have had with the cages. what i would have had in the cages would have been 3 season quilt and under quilt on 1 side and wbbb hammock/ tarp plus an mld trailstar tarp
    could i use cages still do you think or is that just too dicey with slider forks? i would reduce the load in each cage if this was a possibility.
    any thoughts on lightweight suspended touring setup for the fargo?

    cheers folks

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    Smile half dozen of yer finest hose clamps, please!

    hose clamps it is!
    need to find some good ones...

    laters fellow fargonauts!

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    I saw the Fargo a couple of years ago in Dirt Rag and liked the concept but didn't pull the trigger since I was primarily into road biking.

    Fast forward to 2011 and I'm thinking about a single speed 29er for its simplicity, ect., etc., etc., for riding the dirt roads and levees around where I live. I''ve spent the last week reading through this thread and it has almost changed my mind about the single speed.

    I think I've pretty much decided that I need an XL. I'm 6'2" with about a 35" inseam, shorter torso, longer arms. I can't remember the measurements from my road bike at the moment but I would like to get bars up to level that I am seeing on most of your Fargos.

    My question for everyone is this. Do I go for the 2011 model with the SRAM or the previous model with the Shimano SLX build? I've located an XL with the SLX so finding one won't be an issue. I wish I could have found one with the XT but such is my luck...always a day late and a dollar short.

    All replies are appreciated, but if you do can you give me a little information to support your position.

    Many thanks for the last few days of reading...

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    Previous model is more touring 29er geometry, no susp fork option, everything cages won't be compatible unless you clamp. If you are adverse to bar ends go 2011. I like my older gen Fargo but I have not ridden a new one. I have the XT and it is nice but I'm sure the SLX is fine. I suppose the hubs and other components may wear out sooner but I think that would take a long time. I guess I would let the price decide along with component preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalminer
    I saw the Fargo a couple of years ago in Dirt Rag and liked the concept but didn't pull the trigger since I was primarily into road biking.

    Fast forward to 2011 and I'm thinking about a single speed 29er for its simplicity, ect., etc., etc., for riding the dirt roads and levees around where I live. I''ve spent the last week reading through this thread and it has almost changed my mind about the single speed.

    I think I've pretty much decided that I need an XL. I'm 6'2" with about a 35" inseam, shorter torso, longer arms. I can't remember the measurements from my road bike at the moment but I would like to get bars up to level that I am seeing on most of your Fargos.

    My question for everyone is this. Do I go for the 2011 model with the SRAM or the previous model with the Shimano SLX build? I've located an XL with the SLX so finding one won't be an issue. I wish I could have found one with the XT but such is my luck...always a day late and a dollar short.

    All replies are appreciated, but if you do can you give me a little information to support your position.

    Many thanks for the last few days of reading...
    You could also look for a 2010 frame and build it with 2X10 SRAM like I did. I purchased the frame from my LBS for $367 since it was discontinued and I wanted a 24" frame for my 6'5" height and 36" inseam. I used all the spacers and a 120mm 40 degree stem to get the bar height 1" above the seat.

    I just took a ride tonight and it is always a dream. Great to have light a little later in the evening.
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    M Size Question -

    Can someone with access to a 2011 size M frame tell me if this will work:

    top of saddle 74cm from center of crank = top of bars level with saddle?

    I'm hoping to get the LBS to find me a frameset to build up (or maybe a complete bike) - but want to be able to have the bars set low for dirt road / touring and then flipped up high for trail / mixed terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmeiser01
    Let me first say, I want one of those minimalist racks. Immediate need. Perfect for carrying a little extra gear up front. As you'll see in the following pictures I've been using Salsa Anything/Everything Cages, they worked with some heavy duty hose clamps, but they really weren't meant to mount on the first gen fargo fork or for the use and abuse I've given them.

    So... where to begin. I road somewhere over 1500 miles in January (rain and cold killed my computer sensor) from Cleveland Ohio down the Eastern Divide finally wrapping it up in Charleston, SC on the 8th of February.

    I posted some 300+ pics, the following are some of my favorites. I know I've probably overdone it, but it's so hard to limit. Sorry.


    Blue ridge parkway


    Fresh tracks, all to myself


    After the storm


    Endorphine overload


    Good morning


    this is the "why?"


    Exiting the paw paw


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    Built in the 1820's


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    If you still want more, probably the best way to view the "crowd favorites" are at: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mme...r-interesting/

    Wow nice footage

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    Any idea when non-stocking dealers might be able to get a frameset? I really want to support my LBS instead of having to buy online. Thanks!

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    I had heard mid April. I could not wait so I bought it from a dealer.

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    Front derailleur for MTB crank/SRAM Apex shifter combo?

    I'm looking to run the current model SRAM Apex shifters (2x10) with a Truvativ Stylo double crankset (granny ring and bashguard removed) with a 34 tooth middle ring and a 44 tooth outter ring.

    I need to find a SRAM compatable 28.6mm clamp front derailleur that will throw far enough to reach the 44 tooth outter ring. A search of online stores is proving fruitless and I need some help sourcing an appropriate derailleur. Can anyone suggest a shim/derailleur combo that would work?

    A SRAM Apex front derailleur won't throw far enough to work with my Truvativ Stylo crankset, and if I switch to an SRAM Apex compact crankset (50/34 tooth) the 50 tooth ring tags the chainstay.

    Help?
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    I don't know if this will help, but when I was building up my second Fargo last fall as a mountain bike, I had trouble coming up with a front derailer from my parts boxes. Some would fit but were made for 48t big rings, some would work except when the cage hit the chainstay, and so on. Anyway, I did have a fairly recent XT front derailer that had a clamp for a 1-3/8" seat tube but was otherwise just what I needed. I found that an ordinary headset spacer made a fine shim. Inside diameter is 1-1/8" and outside measures 1-3/8" which was just right for the derailer clamp. I took a 10mm spacer and cut it in two places, 180 degrees apart, and filed down the sharp edges of the cut. Makes a dandy shim.

    I don't know anything about that modern Sram stuff, but I would think you could get a Shimano derailer to work since there are only two rings. Someone has probably tried it.

    The mountain Fargo works out really well. I actually have a riser bar on there at the moment which is not necessary but it handles great and the shorter top tube (for drop bar optimization) hasn't been an issue. I've got two Weirwolf 2.55 LTs on it and they work fine. I didn't expect that to be a great rear tire, but it seems to get the job done. Since it's a rigid bike I don't use it on really rough trails but those big donuts make it right comfy on rocky stretches. As with my "touring" Fargo, it's all about the water bottles really. I don't have to use a hydration pack with either bike, at least on most rides. Packs have been messing with my poor old abused back and neck in recent years so it's nice to save the old bones for when I do need a pack when riding the gnarly stuff on my other bike.
    29ers are just a fad, like disc brakes, suspension, indexed shifting and mountain bikes.

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    Anyone have experience with the original Fargo and the 2010-2011 version?

    I'm borrowing a gen1 Fargo. Seems the geometry has changed (favorably it looks), fork has changed, etc.

    Any comments on the change?

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    I have a SRAM 2X10 on my 2010 Fargo and it works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KanzaKrūzer
    I have a SRAM 2X10 on my 2010 Fargo and it works great.
    Which front derailleur are you using?

    The SRAM Apex front derailleur will throw are enough to cover the inner and middle rings on my Truvativ Stylo double crankset BUT to set the derailleur height corrrectly the cage tags the chainstay and won't work. If I remove the bashguard and replace with a 44t ring I can get the derailleur height set correctly but the throw isn't far enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdstorer
    Which front derailleur are you using?

    The SRAM Apex front derailleur will throw are enough to cover the inner and middle rings on my Truvativ Stylo double crankset BUT to set the derailleur high corrrectly the cage tags the chainstay and won't work. If I remove the bashguard and replace with a 44t ring I can get the derailleur hight set correctly but the throw isn't far enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KanzaKrūzer
    Front Derailleur SRAM X7
    Do you know which X7 derailleur it is? High clamp? Low clamp? ..and is it a 28.6mm clamp or does it use a shim?

    Sorry for all the questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdstorer
    Do you know which X7 derailleur it is? High clamp? Low clamp? ..and is it a 28.6mm clamp or does it use a shim?
    Sorry for all the questions.
    I had my LBS build it up since there were no more complete 24" bikes available. I approved the build list, but did not ask for any more detail. Sorry I can't help at any greater detail.

    I sold my road bike shortly after experiencing the low air pressure (29X2 Dureme with 50lbs back, 40lbs front) ride. The Fargo is not as fast, but there are plenty of bike paths around which are more relaxing than fighting vehicles for space on the roads.
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    Moments after taking these pictures, my right hand pedal pulled out of the crankarm. That left me to pedal home the remaining three miles with only one pedal--tough when you only have flat pedals, and no way to pull up on the pedal!

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    New Gary Bar II

    Just changed over to the Origin 8 Gary II Bar. So far I am liking it on the Fargo really well.
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    ill communication

    I passed along some misleading information to this thread approx. 3 weeks ago:

    "Be aware that Schwalbe is about to unveil some wider options in some of their tires.
    When I called to bug them about all their 29er tires being out of stock, I was informed that at the end of March they will receive the new shipment of 2011 tires which will include widths not currently advertised on the site.... Thus my ordering the Fat Albert 2.4..."

    Well the order arrived on Monday and the Fat Albert 2.4 is a 26...apparently still not available as a 29er. To their credit, Schwalbe apologized and is offering a full refund.

    There was a 29x2 dureme that came with that order and I immediately put it on my rear wheel. It handled really well on the Centennial cone trail and then hummed along nicely at 40mph on the 10 mile paved decent back down to Golden, Co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varga
    There was a 29x2 dureme that came with that order and I immediately put it on my rear wheel. It handled really well on the Centennial cone trail and then hummed along nicely at 40mph on the 10 mile paved decent back down to Golden, Co.
    I run 29X2 Dureme tires on my 24" Fargo. 50PSI on the rear and 40PSI in the front. They ride like a dream on pavement, bike paths, and rails to trails.
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    Lots of Fargos with non-drop bars getting posted recently. I like it!

    I probably already posted it in this thread, but here's my alt-bar Fargo (Titec J-Bars):

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    I am trying to sell my Merlin ti to get a Fargo! Wish me luck!

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by boomersooner523
    I am trying to sell my Merlin ti to get a Fargo! Wish me luck!
    I'm thinking to sell my On-One 29"er Ti (too) to get a Fargo?
    I can not work out which one a 2011 steel or a Fargo Ti?
    The plan is to ride in "Tour d'Afrique" next year from the top of Africa to the Bottom! (12000km's) It's all down to costs.

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    Who wants to trade their Fargo for a Merlin!?

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    I just finally took a nice 20+ mile ride on my second gen Fargo yesterday. It is a very different bike from the first gen. The stock seat is about the worst piece of junk my butt has experienced and the 2x10 gearing is a tad off from my normal cog selections but overall the bike is impressive.
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    @Guitar Ted: Just saw your post #1448 with the Gary bars. Can I ask you: 1) What size is the frame? 2) What sizes are the chainrings, is the shifting okay and what sort of cranks are they on? 3) IIRC that's a 185mm front rotor - are you still happy with that? I was thinking of going that way to make the front brake a bit easier to apply from the tops when/if I can ever find a frame. (Might have to save up for a custom as the 2011 frames aren't going to fit me well enough. Sigh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho

    I just finally took a nice 20+ mile ride on my second gen Fargo yesterday. It is a very different bike from the first gen. The stock seat is about the worst piece of junk my butt has experienced and the 2x10 gearing is a tad off from my normal cog selections but overall the bike is impressive.
    Would love to know more about differences and your opinion of them.
    By the numbers, the new frames will fit me better.
    I have a chance to order a new one, or pick an old one up on closeout...

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    I need more time on the bike to offer anything more concrete as far as my opinion. I know a few things right off like the handling is much sharper, toe overlap is possible now where it wasn't before, the size L frame "feels" more compact than the older gen but that could be due to many things. Based on one 22 mile ride on dirt and gravel I will say I don't think it's as comfy for the long haul. But I think it has more capability than the older frame. Its much more of an off road ride than pavement. I ran 700x40's on the road on my old frame and would not even consider that on this one - but then I also bought a Vaya so I don't need to
    I'm still out opinion wise about the Thudbuster. The seat you know thoughts on, the bike transmits more vibration than the old bike did. My hands with gel gloves were numb after my ride and no other bike I own does that. Its not buzzy or anything but I'm trying to understand why there is so much numbing vibration.
    Like the old bike, its not fast. I had no problem covering 22 miles in 1 hour and 45 mins which is a nice easy cruise so it does a good job once it gets going but its not a "fast" bike. Neither was the old bike.
    I need more off road time on the bike to offer more on how it handles singletrack. I did some very technical trails with the old one and it did fine. I expect this new gen bike will be a lot better. On the few trails I have ridden so far the bike has done very well.

    I'll try and add more once I get more time on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocho
    I need more time on the bike to offer anything more concrete as far as my opinion. I know a few things right off like the handling is much sharper, toe overlap is possible now where it wasn't before, the size L frame "feels" more compact than the older gen but that could be due to many things. Based on one 22 mile ride on dirt and gravel I will say I don't think it's as comfy for the long haul. But I think it has more capability than the older frame. Its much more of an off road ride than pavement. I ran 700x40's on the road on my old frame and would not even consider that on this one - but then I also bought a Vaya so I don't need to
    I'm still out opinion wise about the Thudbuster. The seat you know thoughts on, the bike transmits more vibration than the old bike did. My hands with gel gloves were numb after my ride and no other bike I own does that. Its not buzzy or anything but I'm trying to understand why there is so much numbing vibration.
    Like the old bike, its not fast. I had no problem covering 22 miles in 1 hour and 45 mins which is a nice easy cruise so it does a good job once it gets going but its not a "fast" bike. Neither was the old bike.
    I need more off road time on the bike to offer more on how it handles singletrack. I did some very technical trails with the old one and it did fine. I expect this new gen bike will be a lot better. On the few trails I have ridden so far the bike has done very well.

    I'll try and add more once I get more time on the bike.
    Thanks... appreciated.
    Curious to hear more when you can.

    Sounds like they made it more MTB than touring rig... which could be good and bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas

    @Guitar Ted: Just saw your post #1448 with the Gary bars. Can I ask you: 1) What size is the frame? 2) What sizes are the chainrings, is the shifting okay and what sort of cranks are they on? 3) IIRC that's a 185mm front rotor - are you still happy with that? I was thinking of going that way to make the front brake a bit easier to apply from the tops when/if I can ever find a frame. (Might have to save up for a custom as the 2011 frames aren't going to fit me well enough. Sigh)
    #1: Large 1st gen Fargo.

    #2: 44T/28T, yes, the shifting is "okay", but not the greatest. These chain rings are actually 7 speed ones with no ramps or pins, so you have to finesse your pedaling to get the shift. If you are skilled in "the old ways", it works great. The cranks are early 90's Altus forged type 110/74BCD cranks. Altus was different then. It was basically XT quality without the finishing details. Square taper, of course.

    #3: The 180mm front brake has worked well in the past, but this one has something going on with the pads at the present time which has caused a shudder . I may have contaminated the pads in a late fall rain-fest on gravel. I have to address that issue, but normally this bike works well with a bigger rotor and the Tektro levers.
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    GT, what size of BB do you have on there? I'm curious because just last night I tried to install a 26/42 on mine, with the 42 on the middle ring position, and even with a ~128mm bottom bracket, the 42t ring was hitting the chainstay. The crank is an old Suntour XC Expert, pre-microdrive (110 BCD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    #2: 44T/28T, yes, the shifting is "okay", but not the greatest. These chain rings are actually 7 speed ones with no ramps or pins, so you have to finesse your pedaling to get the shift. If you are skilled in "the old ways", it works great. The cranks are early 90's Altus forged type 110/74BCD cranks. Altus was different then. It was basically XT quality without the finishing details. Square taper, of course.

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    I guess I really should write these things down when I do them. Bah!

    I can only guess now, but I think it was a 122mm UN-52 cartridge BB that I ended up using. The key was to use a low profile Shimano design, (those older Shimano cranks typically used a 107-113mm BB depending on design), and the longer BB.

    I got the 44T to clear, but barely. It works, even in the worst of conditions, so I am okay with it now. That said, this is a straight up gravel road gearing set up, and I will be replacing this set up with the original XT crank soon to get me back my off road capabilities.

    When I pull this down, I'll measure the BB and get back to ya.

    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    GT, what size of BB do you have on there? I'm curious because just last night I tried to install a 26/42 on mine, with the 42 on the middle ring position, and even with a ~128mm bottom bracket, the 42t ring was hitting the chainstay. The crank is an old Suntour XC Expert, pre-microdrive (110 BCD)

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    I found a fargo!

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    Just bought my new fargo!!! Pictures up tomorrow!

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    Im sorry if this has been covered already but what is the max tire size on a Fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomersooner523
    Im sorry if this has been covered already but what is the max tire size on a Fargo?
    http://salsacycles.com/bikes/fargo/

    Fits up to 29 x 2.4” tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by varga
    Labeled as 2.55 but only measures out to a 2.3, accurate and consistent comparisons from mtbtires (scroll to bottom)
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    Thanks for the tire help!

    Anyways as promised I bring pictures of the new fargo. I honestly could not be happier with it

    Specs :
    -XL Salsa Fargo
    -Bontrager mustang wheels laced with DT swiss spokes
    -White Industries hubs (Awesome!)
    - Shimano Decore F&R derailleur (Not super keen on this, I've always been an XTR guy)
    -Excuse the pedals. They were thrown on.
    -Avid BB7's
    -Bontrager stem (meh..)
    -Bontrager CF seatpost
    -Bontrager RL seat with Ti rails
    -Cane creek levers
    -Skinny tires...Will be getting a little beefier soon.
    -Chris King headset
    -Surly Mr. Whirly crank set (very smooth)
    -Old Man Mountain rack
    -Hope skewers
    -BTW, anyone with a brooks seat that wants to trade for my seat let me know



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    looks great boomersooner!

    Heres a few of mine with the luxy bars. I had the loop h-bar on originally but found my wrists did not like them on the longer rides. The luxy bars are deLUXY comfortable. I even like the flopped over hoods more than the traditional upright setup.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/5629081668/" title="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5070/5629081668_2d658cf53d_b.jpg" width="575" height="1024" alt="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/5628500835/" title="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5302/5628500835_d45fcfc878_b.jpg" width="951" height="1024" alt="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/doug_goodenough/5628502087/" title="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars by Doug in Idaho, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5150/5628502087_231f80a841_b.jpg" width="1024" height="615" alt="Fargo with Luxy Drop Bars"></a>

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    Thanks! ^ Is that a Moots seatpost? I want it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomersooner523
    Thanks! ^ Is that a Moots seatpost? I want it....
    Close http://www.kenteriksen.com/comp_seatpost.html

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    Hey Doug,
    What kind of tires are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev-Bot
    Hey Doug,
    What kind of tires are those?
    They are Schwalbe Marathon XR 700x50c (28/29 x 2.00). I think I got the last pair in that size though....seems they are not making the wider widths anymore. I do like these tires very much.

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    Boomersooner523,

    What tires do you have on your Fargo? Your "Skinny Tires". I have Vulpines for off-road, but I am looking for a on-road set. I have some Cheap kendas that I got for $6 each. They do not sit on my rims very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinmonty
    Boomersooner523,

    What tires do you have on your Fargo? Your "Skinny Tires". I have Vulpines for off-road, but I am looking for a on-road set. I have some Cheap kendas that I got for $6 each. They do not sit on my rims very well.
    Thats funny you mention that because I just spend like 10$ on some used tires for off road use. I got 1.9's. The tires I currently have came on the bike when I bought it from the PO and they are actually Continental Travel CONTACTS. They are very worn in the pictures but they are a fantastic set for on road use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_ID
    Ahhh....Still very very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinmonty
    I had heard mid April. I could not wait so I bought it from a dealer.
    Well, my LBS is saying they can see them in the catalog, but they are still listed as 'not orderable' by non-stocking dealers

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    Well, my LBS is saying they can see them in the catalog, but they are still listed as 'not orderable' by non-stocking dealers

    I was working with one guy who has the same problem. I was on a time limit, so I went to a dealer!

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    Concerning the new geometry on the 2011 frames... I wonder if some of those tweaks were done to help push people one way or the other on their decision to get a Fargo or a Vaya. The comments I've read so far RE: Geometry and comfort compared to the 1st gen frames make me think so.

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    Fargo gen I suspended - has anybody tried?

    Hi, I used my Fargo to cross the US unsupported and did quite a few long trips with on and off road with tires ranging in width form 28 mm to 2.3". I must say it is ideal both on and off-road. I use it as an MTB between the trips and that is when I could use a suspended fork. HAS ANYONE TRIED? YOUR EXPERIENCE? Please do not advise me to buy generation II Fargo. I want to know if anybody tried it on gen I. I know of all the possible shortcomings of such a step, my frame is L. But I can imagine that it could work under some circumstances. If you tried it, post a picture pls!

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    Got my fargo today. If anyone is interested a medium complete weighs 12.8kg


















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    Quote Originally Posted by fox1965
    Hi, I used my Fargo to cross the US unsupported and did quite a few long trips with on and off road with tires ranging in width form 28 mm to 2.3". I must say it is ideal both on and off-road. I use it as an MTB between the trips and that is when I could use a suspended fork. HAS ANYONE TRIED? YOUR EXPERIENCE? Please do not advise me to buy generation II Fargo. I want to know if anybody tried it on gen I. I know of all the possible shortcomings of such a step, my frame is L. But I can imagine that it could work under some circumstances. If you tried it, post a picture pls!
    From the research I have done and what I have read, you will have a hard time finding a suspension fork with a long enough steer tube to fit the gen one bikes. I may be wrong. I have a bike that was custom made before the Fargo was released, but very close in design; mine has a suspension corrected fork so I have thought about trying a suspension fork with a lockout. I have not found one.
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    Nice shots of your new Fargo Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by fox1965
    Hi, I used my Fargo to cross the US unsupported and did quite a few long trips with on and off road with tires ranging in width form 28 mm to 2.3". I must say it is ideal both on and off-road. I use it as an MTB between the trips and that is when I could use a suspended fork. HAS ANYONE TRIED? YOUR EXPERIENCE? Please do not advise me to buy generation II Fargo. I want to know if anybody tried it on gen I. I know of all the possible shortcomings of such a step, my frame is L. But I can imagine that it could work under some circumstances. If you tried it, post a picture pls!

    According to Salsa's site, the Large green Fargo has a 190mm head tube. Most new suspension forks come with 260mm or so steer tubes (last time I looked) so you should be able to get one on your bike. You might have to be careful about what headset and stem you use, but it should be possible.

    I wouldn't try it, though, even if I had a fork lying around that I knew would "fit". Having tried such things on other bikes over the years, I would bet you would end up with seriously jacked up geometry. Very high bottom bracket, chopper steering, and so on. But who knows? Maybe someone has tried it and loved it.
    29ers are just a fad, like disc brakes, suspension, indexed shifting and mountain bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Zimmermann
    According to Salsa's site, the Large green Fargo has a 190mm head tube. Most new suspension forks come with 260mm or so steer tubes (last time I looked) so you should be able to get one on your bike. You might have to be careful about what headset and stem you use, but it should be possible.

    I wouldn't try it, though, even if I had a fork lying around that I knew would "fit". Having tried such things on other bikes over the years, I would bet you would end up with seriously jacked up geometry. Very high bottom bracket, chopper steering, and so on. But who knows? Maybe someone has tried it and loved it.
    I've considered what it might take to get this done on a Gen I Fargo. Here are my thoughts:

    1: Find a Rock Shox Reba made to fit a Fisher 29"er with an uncut steer tube. (This might be tough) It would have a 51mm offset, so perfect for the Fargo Gen I

    2: Reduce the travel to 60 mm using spacers internally.This would pull the axle to crown down to a more reasonable level.

    3: Install and ride. Should have a touch higher BB height, but given that sag will account for a lower height, it might come out pretty close. Even though the head tube and seat tube might be slightly slacker, a slightly higher BB on a Gen I Fargo off-road might be a good thing.

    I don't know that it would actually work, and of course, you'd need to find that Reba, (I think you can buy the crown/stanchions for that G2 offset?), but it might make a good project for somebody.
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    Hmm...I may actually try this, since I have a gen 1 Fargo and a Reba leaning against the garage wall that I've recently installed a G2/uncut steerer on. I wouldn't be changing the travel, though.

    Hmm... Too bad it's been raining here for the last several days, and is supposed to rain for the next week. The trails are soaked.

    Hmm....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I've considered what it might take to get this done on a Gen I Fargo. Here are my thoughts:

    1: Find a Rock Shox Reba made to fit a Fisher 29"er with an uncut steer tube. (This might be tough) It would have a 51mm offset, so perfect for the Fargo Gen I

    2: Reduce the travel to 60 mm using spacers internally.This would pull the axle to crown down to a more reasonable level.

    3: Install and ride. Should have a touch higher BB height, but given that sag will account for a lower height, it might come out pretty close. Even though the head tube and seat tube might be slightly slacker, a slightly higher BB on a Gen I Fargo off-road might be a good thing.

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    My Fargo Mk1, just built up and still need to finalise fit, think the bars still need to be higher and a little longer on the stem.


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    Nice shots of your new Fargo Matt
    Thanks!

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    had a blast riding my suspended fargo today! (gen2)
    just stoked to ride with forks, panaracer rampage 2.35 up front. awesome in the mud. great cornering. could be a good tire to add to a light weight bikepacking adventure. use the race kings mostly, whip out the rampage for special occasions
    The forks for those interested are manitou tower expert with lockout. coil/ air, nice damping and i'm about 155lbs so the stock spring seems good. all black no stickers... looks good on the fargo!
    this is a wickedly versatile and fun bicycle!!!

    i'll post a picture when i can.

    cheers!

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    @Guitar Ted: Thanks for the info! I was guessing that the chainwheels were a bit smaller than they are; I'm not surprised I didn't recognise the cranks.

    @seat_boy: I dug out a 1990 Suntour catalog to find out the BB specs but they don't list the spindle lengths. IIRC - and I might not! - the MD cranks used a shorter spindle than the standard cranks. I think the MDs were about 112mm, and the standard ones were about 10 or 12mm longer, but I wouldn't swear to either.

    I suspect that the only way you're going to get something like 42x26 to clear the stays is with one of the newer FSA cranks (42x27 possible) SRAM in 39x26 or 42x28, Rotor cranks (use standard 110/74 rings) or these: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/z...in_english.htm BTW, good luck finding the last ones; it looks like Sugino have some other new stuff too, but the links on their site don't even work yet.

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    Alfine 11 Fargo

    Finished building this up about a month ago, havent gotten around to taking/posting any photos till now.
    I was trying to decide what I wanted as an all around bike to fit in between my FS mountain bike and road bike, and was looking at a some others (like the Civia Bryant and such) when I came across the Fargo and started lurking around here. I fell in love with the notion of its swiss army knife-ish uncategory. Basically wanted an IGH, steel framed, disc braked, dropbar, big tired, commuter/tourer that could handle just about any surface I could throw at it and would last me a good while (would have liked a belt drive, but center track isnt out yet which pretty much killed that for me). As soon as the Alfine 11 drop bar shifters hit the stores back in January, I started accumulating parts.
    Absolutely loving this bike for cruising to the bars, getting groceries, all day exploring on/off road, and soon to be some touring... its been an amazingly fun ride, and not bad looking either.

    Build:
    Salsa Fargo Large
    Alfine 11 Rear Hub 36h 18t with Alfine Tensioner
    Alfine Generator Front Hub 32h
    Velocity Dyad Halo Reflective Rims
    WTB Vulpine Rear
    WTB Nanoraptor Front
    Versa VRS-11 Brifters
    Salsa Woodchipper Bars
    Salsa Cross Top Levers
    Brooks Antique Brown Tape
    Brooks B17 Antique Brown
    Chris King Brown Sotto Voce Heasdset
    e.13 XC SS Crankset with 38t Raceface Chainring
    Cane Creek Thudbuster LT
    Easton EA50 70mm Stem 20deg
    Avid BB7 160mm Brakes
    Topeak Super Tourist DX Tubular Rack
    Topeak MTX TrunkBag DXP
    Planet Bike Cascadia 29er Fenders (need to make an adapter for the front crown)

    Still need to get a generator light.









    Reflective rims with my phones flash.




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    Verrry nice indeed! How well does the shifting work? I wasn't aware there was an 11 speed Versa shifter (or brown headsets and spacers!) and will have to investigate further...

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    it shifts great, really like being able to downshift while stopped...admittedly this is my first foray into IGH's so i cant give a great critique
    the brown isnt a common color King makes, and may take a little extra time to get

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    Suspended Gen 1

    Well, I did it, but not without issues: I installed my '08 Reba, G2 crown, uncut steerer on my XL Fargo this afternoon. Here are the results:

    Before:


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    I measured the bottom bracket height change to be 30mm. That's pretty significant. I did some rough trig calculations, and that's an angle change of 3.7*.

    A major issue was the steerer length. Even with my uncut tube, it only extended about 20mm past the headset:


    The normal headset cap bolt wouldn't reach the star fangled nut, and I didn't have a long enough bolt on hand to work. With that the case, I just pressed down on the stem while tightening the stem bolts. Only the lower bolt actually gripped the steerer.

    This setup didn't exactly encourage me to go crazy and push the limits to see how it handled, so instead I just rode up and down the street. Surprisingly, it wasn't terrible. I expected massive wheel flop, or it to be hard to steer, or something, but it wasn't a huge change. Pushing it harder might have revealed more, but images of the fork falling out of the head tube kept me mellow.

    Kind of an inconclusive experiment, but I tried.

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    I would highly suggest not riding that thing for long term with that little amount of stem clamping the steerer. Hopefully you're not going to do that. That is just asking for trouble.

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    No worries, it's already back to its regular fork.

    Quote Originally Posted by onrhodes
    I would highly suggest not riding that thing for long term with that little amount of stem clamping the steerer. Hopefully you're not going to do that. That is just asking for trouble.

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    @clewttu: Thanks.

    @seat_boy: It's good that you're not going to ride with that steerer tube!

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    That must be another reason Salsa discontinued the 24" frame. It had a 8.7" head tube length where the current generation Fargo only has a 6.69" head tube length on the largest size.
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    How much clearance would the head tube length on a medium frame allow ??

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