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    The Salsa Casseroll thread

    Hello all,

    It seems like the Casseroll is such a neat, versatile bike, but I never see much information on it. So, I'm starting a thread that I'm hoping will attract a few fans. I just picked up mine this winter from Jenson, at their great $290 price for the frame and fork. I built it up with spare parts from my bin, so nothing too fancy:



    It's a 57cm, currently set up as a fixed gear (with two gearing options: 46 x 19 and 46 x 23, I think). The rear wheel is a seven speed freehub that my buddy welded shut. This makes it really easy to adjust the chainline, but doesn't have any provision for a flip/flop fixed/free option. That may be my next project, along with some Nitto Noodle handlebars.

    What's in your recipe?

    Eric D
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    A few from RBR:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=116717
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=116596
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=114738 - I love how huge the tires are on this bike!

    One from this very forum:
    Casseroll? Anybody?

    And this is a search for Salsa Casseroll on RBR:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sea...archid=1493023

    They are indeed great looking bikes. I'm hoping the 08 sees one underneath me at some time.
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    Ah, there was my problem: I was mis-spelling "Casseroll" as "Casserole." That changes the search results significantly.

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    I am going to spend my Christmas cash on a Casseroll SS complete bike, can't wait.

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    What brake calipers is everyone running on theirs? I am building mine as we speak and need a little help, I know about the Tektro and Cane Creek calipers but am looking at doing Sram across the entire bike. I found a couple auctions on ebay for 49-59mm reach Force calipers but I am not sure if this is the correct measurement for them as my LBS tells me they are short reach calipers. By the way, I also picked mine up from Jenson a couple weeks ago, what a "steel" of a deal. I got the Force/Rival components ordered from the LBS and just got the Force braze on front deraileur from ebay yesterday, I really wish they still made a 28.6 clamp on front deraileur so I wouldn't have had to resort to a braze on with adapter clamp.

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    Here is a pic of my progress the stem and seat post are only temporary till I decide what I need/want.
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    You're outta luck on the Force standard reach. If you don't want the Tektro or CaneCreek (same thing, really), you're left with Shimano Ultegra level. I'm pretty sure Rivendell does something in standard reach too.

    Or you could use the Paul Racer's. Kinda spendy, but pretty.
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    I use the Tektro 521AG (I think that's the number) on mine. So far, I like them--strong and easy to set up. I haven't tried them with fenders yet, though.

    The frame needs long reach calipers. I think these usually run 47-57mm reach.

    Eric

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    Love the bike. What size is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Love the bike. What size is it?

    My frame is a 47cm and I am trying out a 46cm Salsa Bell Lap bar. If anyone has any experience with this bar feel free to send your feedback on it, I am interested in what I am in for from it.

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    I have bell laps on both my Surly Crosscheck and my Salsa Chili Con Crosso. I think that they are 44cm. I really do like the bars. Lots of options for hand positions.

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    Thats one long head tube for a 47 cm bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Thats one long head tube for a 47 cm bike!
    Seat_Boy's frame is a 57cm, I think you got mine and his mixed up.

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    Salsa Casseroll vs Kogswell PR

    Anyone had the opportunity to ride both of these frames?
    I'm waffling between a 700c PR or a Casseroll. Either one should meet my needs to have a fat tired commuter that could convert to an all day, geared bike on occasion.

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    I have the Bell Laps on my Gunnar Crosshairs. I think they're just OK. I don't really like the flare to them, and the ergo part has to be positioned correctly to make it comfortable (when I rotated the bars too far up, the grip position was in a weird spot)

    All in all, I much prefer the Nitto Noodles I had previously (that I sold when I sold my Romulus). I'm getting some new Noodles soon, and those will go on the Salsa. I'll probably go as wide as I can, 48cm.

    Eric


    Quote Originally Posted by Reachout
    My frame is a 47cm and I am trying out a 46cm Salsa Bell Lap bar. If anyone has any experience with this bar feel free to send your feedback on it, I am interested in what I am in for from it.

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    The Casseroll I Whipped Up...

    Here's the Casseroll I built up for my beautiful wife a couple months ago. It's a parts bin special, save for the new WTB saddle and Nitto Moustache bar, but the ride quality is absolutely superb, especially considering the modest cost of the bike. The Salsa team did a great job tuning the ride of the Casseroll to make it one smooth roller.
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    Love mine. 2007 Ginger Beer bought on sale but not as good as the Jenson sale. Size 53cm. First road bike I have owned that allowed me to get the bars at the right height without spacers. Yes, the headtube is that tall. Mostly serves commuter duty, fully fendered out and all, but I did take it out for a fast-paced hilly 32-miler yesterday and it performed great.

    Spec'd out with SRAM Rival, Phil Wood/Open Pro wheels, Thomson & King bits, etc. The first set of pics I took of it didn't come out very well, so I will take some more and add them to this thread.

    I am very close to ordering the SS Complete version also.

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    So there is really no difference in performance between the Cane Creek SCR-3L and the Tektro's?

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    Jason,
    Do I need to make sure my LBS orders my 51 cm ss pretty soon or do you see them in stock for a while?

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    Availability will be tight.....

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Jason,
    Do I need to make sure my LBS orders my 51 cm ss pretty soon or do you see them in stock for a while?
    Well, I don't really want to write this, but the first shipment that is due next week is almost all going to pre booked dealer orders. Specifically, this means if your local dealer has not placed a stocking order, they will likely not be able to get any from this first shipment.

    Specifically, the 51, 53, 55 and 57cm in the SS are sold out. 45, 47, & 49 will be available from QBP.

    All sizes of the Casseroll Triple will still be available after dealer pre orders

    Now, the even worse news. The next shipment will not be here until March and that order should fill the pipeline and have open stock at QBP.

    If your dealers have specific questions, please have them call 877 Moto Ace and ask for Don or Bobby. There are always cancellations.

    Thanks and sorry for the bad news.

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    Wow - amazing build looks great ...
    It's got to be AUSTRIA !!!

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    Very nice...

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    Here's an update on my build; I got a bit impatient and transferred my XTR stuff over along with my riser bar and Thomson stem and post, all I need is a couple cables and a little bit of housing to finish, it will atleast get me out on it till I can get the rest of my Sram stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reachout
    Here's an update on my build; I got a bit impatient and transferred my XTR stuff over along with my riser bar and Thomson stem and post, all I need is a couple cables and a little bit of housing to finish, it will atleast get me out on it till I can get the rest of my Sram stuff.
    That thing looks great. Nice work! I bet it rides awesome... Hopefully you've been able to get out on it once or twice at least!!

    Cheers,
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    The casserolles are just too versatile. Great looking in any configuration. Post more please!!!

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    My Super Commuter

    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Jason, nice looking ride. I was hoping to get one but missed out on the first shipment. Maybe one from the next shipment, hopefully in March. What size is the bike? Is yours the complete bike with a few changes? Ok, I'll wait for the report on the blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Looks great Jason! Nice rack. Is that the Surly? One of these days I'll get pics of mine up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Ultra hot, my brother. Great story about the genesis of the Casseroll on the Amigos blog too. Thanks for taking the time to post that -- it's a very interesting read.

    My wife Laura is loving her Casseroll. I hope to get one of my own at some point, but since I just got a new La Cruz, "at some point" is probably going to have to come sometime later. It sounds like availability is pretty scarce right now anyway, especially on those beautiful mustard yellow frames that I like so much...

    I dig your parts selection. Given the bike's lineage, you really kept it true to its roots. Nice work.

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    Casseroll Gets PEZed...

    Saw this review the Salsa Casseroll on PEZ Cycling today.
    Check it out HERE.

    My fave line- "But perhaps most astounding – was how much ride experience Salsa offers for just US $1540.00 (Damn – that’s less than the last set of wheels I reviewed!)"
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    Hey MG, I need a ride comparison. Ya know I've been dying to get a Chile. So tell me, how does the La Cruz ride compared to the Chile? The one thing holding me back on the La Cruz is that it will cost me more to build with the disc brakes and wheels compared to swapping the parts from my current cross bike over to a Con Crosso. What cha think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big29
    Hey MG, I need a ride comparison. Ya know I've been dying to get a Chile. So tell me, how does the La Cruz ride compared to the Chile? The one thing holding me back on the La Cruz is that it will cost me more to build with the disc brakes and wheels compared to swapping the parts from my current cross bike over to a Con Crosso. What cha think?
    Hey Big29 -- That's a good question. The Chili is definitely lighter, and perhaps a bit plusher, actually. It's a fast, efficient frame, and it's pretty lively for an alloy-based frame, but it's still not steel. When you ride the La Cruz, you're reminded of that fact. I can't put my finger on it any harder than to say it that way. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that if you're after "the feel of steel," then you're after a La Cruz, not a CCC. If you want an ultra-light bike to whip your riding buddies like gimps, you're after a CCC, not a La Cruz.

    The La Cruz defines the contemporary quality steel ride, in a 'cross-style bike, much as the El Mariachi defines the breed for a mountain bike, in my mind. It's not ultra light-weight, but it's got the balance thing dialed to 11. It's confident in any situation, road to moderately technical off-road.

    If you've already got wheels to go on a Con Crosso frame, it probably makes the decision a little easier... perhaps. That said, keep in mind the Con Crosso doesn't come with a fork, where the La Cruz frameset does, so you don't have a fork to buy with a La Cruz. You'll have more money for wheels that way... Personally, I prefer discs in every situation.

    That said, I'm not getting rid of my Con Crosso -- NO WAY!! I'm keeping 'em both, because I race in the old guys class in 'cross, which isn't a UCI class, so I can run discs. That means I can have both my CCC and my La Cruz ready for 'cross racin' action. Regardless of which bike I'm riding, I've got an awesome bike ready in the pits!!

    I love both bikes... If you forced me to choose one, I'd just laugh and tell you that it's a good thing I don't really have to choose!
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    Actually...(don't mean to step on your toes or anything Mr. Gersib) but the new 2008 Chili Con Crosso actually does include the fork. Retail pricing will of course be a bit more than last year because of this, but still way cheaper than sourcing one after market...and...it will be in a hot matching graphic scheme courtesy of Alpha Q! Check it out here:

    http://www.salsacycles.com/chiliconcrosso08.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Actually...(don't mean to step on your toes or anything Mr. Gersib) but the new 2008 Chili Con Crosso actually does include the fork. Retail pricing will of course be a bit more than last year because of this, but still way cheaper than sourcing one after market...and...it will be in a hot matching graphic scheme courtesy of Alpha Q! Check it out here:

    http://www.salsacycles.com/chiliconcrosso08.html

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    Very sweet indeed... You did it up right! Thanks for the correction Bobby -- I certainly take no offense. I just hadn't seen the change in spec '07 vs. '08. My bad. You chose the exact right fork for that frame though, as the character of the Alpha Q fork matches the compliance of the rear end perfectly.

    So Big-29, now the choice becomes a bit tougher... but I think if you're primarily buying a racing bike, go CCC. If you're buying more of an 'all-arounder,' to commute on, hit gravel roads, maybe put racks and fenders on and do some touring on, I'd lean more towards the La Cruz.

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    Here is my little commuter's photo.
    Mine has shimano wh500 wheel and panaracer pacera 28mm now.
    equipped with MINOURA rear rack. The parts were transplanted from my crashed panasonic bike. ( When I had no bike after crash, I saw nice little caseroll frame hanging in my LBS. )

    Do anybody kindly recommend most comfy tire and wheel (or rim )
    for caseroll of suburban commuter ? I'd rather use slightly plump ones.
    The road pavement a litlle rough surface here.
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    Onigiri,

    Joe Meiser here, one of the designers for the Casseroll frame. I would suggest either 28 or 32c tires for your Casseroll. I have two Casseroll's, one setup as a geared 2x10 commuter with rack and fenders, one setup as a fixed gear with rack and fenders. My favorite tires for a durable comfortable road tire are the Schwalbe Stelvio 28's. They are very supple with 100 psi in them, handle well, and are very durable. My first set of Stelvio's were 23's. I put them on a fixed gear and got close to 3000 miles out of them. When those wore out I bought 28's and have been riding them for 2+ seasons, year round here in Minnesota. My second favorite tire is the Panaracer T-Serv. I bought a set of these when we first recieved sample Casseroll frames. The rear one finally wore through the tread and I had to replace it after the sidewall was slashed by some road debris. I did ride it with a dollar bill reinforcing the slashed area for a week before I replaced it. The front has not been replaced in 3 years and has about 5000 miles on it.

    It is good to hear that you Love your Casseroll, it looks like a great build!

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    Joe,
    Thank you for the suggestion. How tough those tires are !

    I love this bike well. I'm happy to hear from designer.
    In the cold, strong northern wind, sometimes riding is like sailing,

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    new bars

    Hey all,

    I wanted to check in and show you my latest Casseroll. The build I had shown in post #1 gave me quite a back ache after an hours ride. I'm just getting too old (35) for those low down bars. So, after a couple of stem and bar changes, I think I've achieved comfort:



    A 48cm Nitto Noodle with an uncut steerer tube and a shorter stem with some rise (I'm going for the highest bar award). It's been miserably cold and dark here to get much riding in, but it feels good on my short jaunts. Maybe this weekend I'll finally be able to get out for a longer ride.

    Next up: A Brooks B17N and possibly... gears. I haven't ridden a geared bike in quite a while, but I'm feeling a temptation for a down tube shifter and a 1x9 setup. Maybe even try to get it to index, if my old worn parts will allow that.

    Eric

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    Finally got some decent photos of mine...this mostly serves as my commuter, but I have taken it out on a couple fast 30+ mile hilly road rides too and been very pleased.

    Set up with full SRAM Rival (love it) save for the long reach Tektro brakes, Phil Wood/Open Pro wheelset, various King/Thomson bits, etc. I just threw the SDG saddle on the other day after nabbing the Storika that it was wearing for my "weekend" road bike. Not sure if the tiger print really suits the bike, but it sure is comfy!!

    Anyway, here are the pics.
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    Very nice! I really like my La Raza, but the thought of a Casseroll with Rival just like yours is really starting to take hold.

    I do have a silly question, though: do the fenders slow you down any? I've always wondered about that.

    JJ

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    Good looking.
    I also set handle bar higher by 2 cm than before, and I feel better with it on commuting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJ
    Very nice! I really like my La Raza, but the thought of a Casseroll with Rival just like yours is really starting to take hold.

    I do have a silly question, though: do the fenders slow you down any? I've always wondered about that.

    JJ
    I have always used little clip on fenders in the past, which were very mediocre, so this is my first bike with full fenders, and they rock in the wet weather! Do they slow me down? Nah. Will they come off once our rainy season ends? Yes.

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    Jason,
    Are you still looking for the next shipment of SS Casserolls to land late March, in a 51 or 53?

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    Late March or Early April

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Jason,
    Are you still looking for the next shipment of SS Casserolls to land late March, in a 51 or 53?
    Still awaiting final shipping notification, but so far I expect them the last week of March or 1st week of April. Both sizes. Good quantity and stock. I'll update this thread if anything changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    I have always used little clip on fenders in the past, which were very mediocre, so this is my first bike with full fenders, and they rock in the wet weather! Do they slow me down? Nah. Will they come off once our rainy season ends? Yes.
    Cool. So is this also your "go fast" bike, or do you just ride it for fun/commuting?

    JJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJ
    Cool. So is this also your "go fast" bike, or do you just ride it for fun/commuting?

    JJ
    Mostly commuting. It was also my "go fast" bike until I got something else to fill that niche recently.

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    Jason,

    I'm just wondering if you have ever weighed a complete 59cm Casseroll w/ gears. I'm clyde so weight isn't that big of a deal, but I'm more curious than anything.

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    Any thoughts on frame size? I am ordering a SS complete but don't have any frames to sit on. I'm 6'2" tall with a 85cm inseam. Can't decide between a 55cm or 57cm frame...looks like the 57cm would have a standover height that would be a bit high.

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    Standover isn't too bad on these frame, since they're a compact (semi-compact?) design. I'd go more by top tube length. These seem to run a bit long. I'm 6'3" with a 57 cm. That has a 60cm top tube, which is just a bit long for me. I have to run an 85mm or so stem to make it work.

    Eric

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