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    fargo fenders

    the new fargo seems to be missing fender tabs on the rear. will those cascadia fenders still work without too much effort?
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    Aparently Salsa offers another set of Alternator dropouts with a fender tab. Here is a link
    http://salsacycles.com/files/tech/Al...structions.pdf

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    Is this a joke?

    Surely a manufacturer couldn't be dumb arsed enough to market a touring bike with no guard mounts?

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    on the previous version it looks like the tabs were on the frame not the alternator plate thingy. why change?
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    For the QR dropouts with fender tabs it appears they are @ $60 a set (universalcycles.com). Sidenote, if you wanted to upgrade to a 12mm thru axle, they don't even make a set of 12mm with fender tabs, so your stuck with QR.

    I agree with MagicCarpet, you'd think the Fargo would have come with the Alternator dropouts with fender tabs as stock, kind of a stupid oversight if you ask me. Time to send an email to see WTF.

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    So here is the follow up response from my email to Salsa:

    Hey XXXX , I appreciate you reaching out with your question and your concern, as well as your feedback. I took a look at the thread on MTBR, and actually found an image of your sweet Fargo 3 build. That mustard color kicks some ass for sure. So letís hit your comment on the Fargoís design intentions. The Fargo by design a drop bar mountain bike, and is used as off-road touring platform. The bike was conceptualized as a bike for the Tour Divide Race, where it cut its teeth and became what it is today. The fender and rack tabs on the previous gen models were a benefit from having an existing cast QR dropout cluster. Since then, the bike has evolved into the 2014 and 15 models, adopting the Alternator plates that we brought in from our hard tail MTB design a few years back. This meant losing the tabs but given that folks were utilizing frame bags as a more secure option on this bike, rather than using racks that would likely fail or the hardware would work loose during rides, those dropouts gave way to the Alternators.

    I would not call it a design fail. Iíd offer that its more a look at what we designed the bike for, what a rider likely wants in a drop bar MTB, and how that bike continued to evolve from where it started. The plates were a move in the right direction because in the past, if you broke a hanger your could be SOL mid-ride. With the Alt plates, you can swing them back, find a gear combo that works and retain chain tension. Thinking about those plates as part of our MTB line, the 142x12 thru axle and the hanger-less single speed plates were clearly options that needed to be developed. However at the time, fenders werenít really something that was a consideration for the plates, given that many folks riding mountain bikes arenít necessarily running fenders. Fast forward to this model year, we acted on the feedback that there was a contingent of folks out there that decided to run fenders, so we created those plates as an aftermarket part for those that prefer them.

    In the case of the stock Fargo plates, we had to find the best compromise when introducing the updated 2014 frame, and in this case, the decision was not to spec the fender plates, but to go with the standard QR dropout plates like the ones you have. If we take a step back and look, we know that some folks may not want tabs for fenders, nor would they want to run a thru axle, or go the dedicated single speed route. We arenít going to hit the mark exactly for every individual Fargo ownerís needs, and of course, not everyone will want the spec exactly how it arrives at your shop; so we offer the rider the chance to customize the entire build and offer the frameset. Frankly, most frames out there donít give you any option when it comes to dropouts. What we have found is that our Fargo riders are happy for what the bike is, for what it can do, and where it allows them to go.

    The Fargo is a bit of a Swiss Army knife right out of the box, and can be configured in a multitude of ways outside of the stock build. It already looks like youíve been customizing your own build, and based on other posts, it sounds like you are pretty stoked on your Fargo, and will continue to customize it more to your liking and fitted tour own preference in parts and options. If you have questions and concerns, please feel free to hit me back.

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    I still feel it was an oversight, the 'tabs' I do not feel would have cause anyone to gripe about them being there. However I do feel, spending another $60 for new dropouts to add a decent set of fenders to my bike is ridiculous. How about a trade-in program or trade plus cost type deal?? Whatevs, because I'm a stickler for perfection, I'm going to break down and purchase them, but will hate myself for having to do so.

    Make me think, I should've bought another Surly instead or something else.

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    nice follow-up. i'm with you; who would object to fender tabs? they are on the fork for chrissake.
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    Hmmm...I am currently trying to decide on a new bike, and the ones at the top of the list are the Salsa Fargo and the Surly Troll. I would be getting a frame and building it up myself.

    I am a drop-bar mountain bike guy, so the Fargo is a natural attractant. I am thinking Troll because I have the components and wheels from my last bike that I can swap over to a new frame, so it would keep my existing 26" wheel size and not have to go into purchasing a new wheelset like I would with the Fargo.

    But I really like the Fargo....so I can handle not using my old wheels...new wheels are good, eh? I do like the idea of going to the 29er size.

    I like running full fenders from time to time, so the ability to do so is a consideration for me. The Troll can do this no problem...the cast dropouts it has can pretty much do anything...except run a 12x142 thru axle, which I would like the option to do and the Fargo can do with the correct Alternator plate, but you cannot run a fender with that specific plate, only the 135 QR "fender compatible" plate....ARGH!!!!

    I suppose one could use some other means to attach fenders to the frame and just make do, like using p-clamps or adapting something like the rubber-pad mount from Planet Bike SpeedEZ fenders...but in my opinion both of those are half-assed solutions. You spend the coin required to obtain a Fargo you should be able to run a set of fenders without resorting to such things!

    There is an additional limitation with these Alternator Plates that I noticed when looking up the different ones on the Salsa website: the Alternator Plate that allows use of fenders is not compatible with racks.

    fargo fenders-fender-alternator.jpg

    Says so right there...I wonder why it is not compatible? Probably because they discovered fender struts interfered with the Surly Alternator Racks that you have to use with a Fargo. That is another thing that gets me...it appears they have made the Fargo incompatible with any other rear rack system. You could perhaps use the Old Man Mountain/Arkel racks that use the quick release skewer attachment, but that eliminates the use of a 12x142 thru axle.

    I find it amazing that such a wonderful bike, designed to go anywhere and do anything, is so incompatible with so many accessories that many of it's owners might wish to use.

    This is really making it tough to determine which frame to purchase. It reminds me of the choice-boondoggle that existed when I was looking at a new computer a while ago....I could choose a Windows or Linux PC and have access to a plethora of aftermarket peripherals, accessories, and upgrades in a competitive market or I could choose a Mac and have to settle for only using what Apple decided they would offer for peripherals, accessories, and upgrades...and at their competition-free premium price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    There is an additional limitation with these Alternator Plates that I noticed when looking up the different ones on the Salsa website: the Alternator Plate that allows use of fenders is not compatible with racks.

    Says so right there...I wonder why it is not compatible? Probably because they discovered fender struts interfered with the Surly Alternator Racks that you have to use with a Fargo. That is another thing that gets me...it appears they have made the Fargo incompatible with any other rear rack system. You could perhaps use the Old Man Mountain/Arkel racks that use the quick release skewer attachment, but that eliminates the use of a 12x142 thru axle.

    I find it amazing that such a wonderful bike, designed to go anywhere and do anything, is so incompatible with so many accessories that many of it's owners might wish to use.

    Nice catch, I never noticed that. Im following up with Salsa to see if that applies to their rack or just aftermarket racks, I hope that it does not include their rack system, because that would make my purchase of the Fargo a complete f#cking disaster.

    I should've just purchased another Surly, UGH!

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    I bet the rack isnt supported because the alternator plates are aluminum. You theoretically can bolt it up but Salsa wouldnt want you to because if the soft threads and you run the risk of stripping it out.
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    Appears Salsa made a mistake on their website and has corrected it.



    here is the email:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach@Salsa
    David, the Alternator plates will work with our Alternator racks without issue, provided you get the right spaced rack to match the dropout spacing on the frame. This is true for all the Alternator plates, be it the fender plates or the thru-axle plates. Thank you for pointing out the error on the website, we have corrected the bullet point.
    -Zach
    New updated site info:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails fargo fenders-2015-03-03-10_52_48-alternator-q_r-fender-mount-plates-_-parts-accessories-_-salsa-cycles.jpg  


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.dvx View Post
    Appears Salsa made a mistake on their website and has corrected it.
    Nice!
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    Still doesn't correct the fact Fargo owners are being shafted out of $$ for dropouts that should come stock. It really f#cking annoys me that I have to spend extra money for fender mounts, like I bought a bike from the 1960's or some sh!t.

    I understand my DH bikes don't come with fender mounts, but a bike designed for what the Fargo excels at makes no sense too me.

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    Just wanted to post an update, Salsa and I have worked things out to a point where both sides are happy and I can continue to ride my Fargo with pride. Big ups to Salsa|QBP for taking the time and being a stand up company.

    I must say the level of feedback I got from my emails and social media presence, was impressive and totally positive. Salsa\QBP are def a company that appears to listen to its consumers, open to criticism and not afraid to take action when a consumer has a legitimate issue to be addressed.

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    Sorta sounds like maybe they paid you to go away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyrcr View Post
    Sorta sounds like maybe they paid you to go away.
    While that would be an interesting outcome, I can assure you that was not the outcome.

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    That's great that ultimately you can run a Fargo with fenders and rack, even if rack choices are limited.

    I've really loving my Vaya. I'm doing some rearranging of my bike quiver. I sold one bike and replaced it with a Krampus. There may be a Fargo in my future...
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    So on a related note, I'm having a nightmare with my front fender. I've got the Cascadia full coverage 29er fenders which work fine when I run 35mm tires, but if I put my 2.3" knobbies on, every bump vibrates the fender into the side knobbs, makes a terrible noise and shoots a twitch up the bike.

    I've already removed the rubber flap mud catcher to help reduce the mass, but I'm not sure what else to do. I've considered bowing out the support struts, but once I try that I can never go back, so I don't want to dive that deep unless others have succeed.

    Suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lentamentalisk View Post
    .....I've got the Cascadia full coverage 29er fenders which work fine when I run 35mm tires, but if I put my 2.3" knobbies on, every bump vibrates the fender into the side knobbs, makes a terrible noise and shoots a twitch up the bike.

    Suggestions?
    From the product description on the website: "Fits tires up to 29" x 2"

    Either keep your tire width within the recommendation of the fender manufacturer, or try something like the PC Flipper/Grunge Board combo.

    In terms of the general comments regarding it being some sort of 'glaring oversight' that Salsa didn't include fender/rack mounts on the new Fargo, I think people are losing sight of what this bike is really designed for. Yes, it can be put into service as a more traditional touring bike and do quite well at it, but it really wasn't designed as such. It's a mountain bike, specifically designed for the bikepacking approach. It is not desinged to be a 'racks and panniers'-type tourer.
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    Everyone kept saying they wanted the alternator dropouts on the Fargo. And why wouldn't you? It allows you to run the bikes with a IGH/SS or if a der breaks you're still in business to get out of the bush.

    What I never did like about the dropout is what a lot of people are describing now. It limits your rack choice and now you have to buy another plate to get fender tabs, which I bet will be included in the revision. What surprises me about the alternator rack is the low weight limit, I believe to mount up to the alternator it uses a M6 bolt which is larger than most racks use besides an option for Thorn to use a M6 also. This would lead me to believe it would handle a larger weight? Granted it is aluminum, except for the wanderlust HD. Which surprises me again, why isn't salsa making the wanderlust HD compatible with the alternator dropout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    ...In terms of the general comments regarding it being some sort of 'glaring oversight' that Salsa didn't include fender/rack mounts on the new Fargo, I think people are losing sight of what this bike is really designed for. Yes, it can be put into service as a more traditional touring bike and do quite well at it, but it really wasn't designed as such. It's a mountain bike, specifically designed for the bikepacking approach. It is not desinged to be a 'racks and panniers'-type tourer.
    Glad someone caught onto this. Have you seen any dirt tourers with fenders? Very few, from my recollection. Salsa's move to soft-bag specific bike touring set up does away with the need for a rear fender, anyway. Get a crud catcher for the front, if you're worried. But I suggest to EMBRACE THE DIRT!

    Also, fenders, while I use them on my road bikes, can be VERY hazardous. There are plenty of pictures floating around of sticks, rocks and debris-induced accidents. And that's on road bikes with slicks. Add knobbies to the equation, that's just a big time endo/face plant/cracked helmet/concussion waiting to happen. I added breakaway tabs to the fenders, but still ride with caution. This is no joke: People have been seriously hurt using fenders.

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    Everyone kept saying they wanted the alternator dropouts on the Fargo. And why wouldn't you? It allows you to run the bikes with a IGH/SS or if a der breaks you're still in business to get out of the bush.

    What I never did like about the dropout is what a lot of people are describing now. It limits your rack choice and now you have to buy another plate to get fender tabs, which I bet will be included in the revision. What surprises me about the alternator rack is the low weight limit, I believe to mount up to the alternator it uses a M6 bolt which is larger than most racks use besides an option for Thorn to use a M6 also. This would lead me to believe it would handle a larger weight? Granted it is aluminum, except for the wanderlust HD. Which surprises me again, why isn't salsa making the wanderlust HD compatible with the alternator dropout?

    Maybe I'm thinking too far in to this or maybe I'm an *******. Probably because I'm an *******.

    Again, racks/panniers suck on singletrack. I've toyed with getting a rear rack myself recently, but I think I may shelf that idea. I see it's usefulness for certain occasions, so may still go through with it, but probably not for bike packing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    Glad someone caught onto this. Have you seen any dirt tourers with fenders? Very few, from my recollection. Salsa's move to soft-bag specific bike touring set up does away with the need for a rear fender, anyway. Get a crud catcher for the front, if you're worried. But I suggest to EMBRACE THE DIRT!

    Also, fenders, while I use them on my road bikes, can be VERY hazardous. There are plenty of pictures floating around of sticks, rocks and debris-induced accidents. And that's on road bikes with slicks. Add knobbies to the equation, that's just a big time endo/face plant/cracked helmet/concussion waiting to happen. I added breakaway tabs to the fenders, but still ride with caution. This is no joke: People have been seriously hurt using fenders.




    Again, racks/panniers suck on singletrack. I've toyed with getting a rear rack myself recently, but I think I may shelf that idea. I see it's usefulness for certain occasions, so may still go through with it, but probably not for bike packing.
    I do not think it is just the idea of "fenders and racks suck on dirt tourers." I think salsa has now put themselves in a corner where if you want something like a vaya that does bigger knobbies you're going to have to go to another company, namely surly with a bike like a Ogre. I find it interesting how Surly was able to still do bikes with bags but offer a TON of mounts for those who want to use a bike for other things like commuting. I would sure hate to have to jam all my worldly possessions in a frame bag, saddle bag, or even a backpack if I do not have to. Now the argument from you and probably others is going to be "Then a fargo is not for you." Well not too many revisions ago a fargo was right for me.

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    Salsa and Surly are owned by the same parent company, so it really isn't such a bad thing if you leave one for the other :P

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