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    Quote Originally Posted by crashmo View Post
    I have a couple of dumb questions on the El Mar, for all you Salsa gurus. I'm looking at purchasing a Craigslist El Mar here in Atlanta, and I'm damn well infatuated with it. Just sold my Fargo and the El Mar is next in line.

    First question is, I see two distinct types of frame on the Mariachi. One is a standard looking geometry where the seatstays join the seat tube at very close to the same point as the top tube. The other has a gusset from top tube-seat tube and the seatstays join way higher up. The one I am buying is of this latter style. Is that older, or does that have to do with frame size? Mine's going to be a M.

    Second, I see on the smurfy blue bikes there's some kind of adjustable black whoozie at the rear dropouts. I presume this is for tensioning the chain on a single speed, but I'm not seeing this on any other color frames. Is the blue smurfy a single speed specific frame? That's a *****in' adjustable whoozie, if you ask me.

    Cheers, all you Salsa folk. I'll post up some love once I get my blue El Mar on Monday.
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    I believe the one you're buying is the older (pre-2010) model. Nice TrueTempOx steel. EBB. You will enjoy it.

    Smurf blue is available as frame-only. The only other color is dark gray, which is available as a complete bike.

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    Is anyone running a 70 or 80mm stem? My current set up is an X4 100x10degree. I feel fairly stretched out, and am considering a change.

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    I've got an 80mm stem on mine. 685mm bar. Feels great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I've got an 80mm stem on mine. 685mm bar. Feels great.
    680 with 6 back sweep. Seems to put me in the right position. I think a shorter stem may be the answer.

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    28" bar/70mm stem.

    I don't think it's quite right. The 100mm felt too long, but I'm spending some time on both for awhile. Some of what "feels off" is that I haven't finished 29er orientation class yet.

    Your best fit depends on your measurements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    These El Mar's all look awesome! I originally was set to buy a used Niner MCR9, but that fell through and I keep coming back to the El Mar. I intend to use it for my main mtb and endurance race, plus maybe even bikepack with it. What are some of the lengths of time/distances you guys have put in on these bikes while still remaining comfortable? Anyone endurance race on them? How about you guys running a rigid fork? How much longer can you go with a sus fork, for those of you who have ridden it with both the rigid and sus forks? Thanks and I hope to join the club sometime soon!
    On the Salsa web site they have a vid of bikepacking and one of the guys is useing an El Mar, I too am going to try some bikepack with mine, I also do endurance racing but I have not raced my El Mar yet, I'm going to on July 30th but I will mostlikely spend most of the race on my Mamasita. My main mtb play bike is the El Mar and I love it, right now if I could only have one mtb bike it would be the El Mar becuse it does everything above and SS, I have two Rebas,100mm & 80mm I like the 80mm better and I am going to try a rigid soon.
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    Thanks Dino. Let me know how your race goes in a couple weeks. I am really curious about how it performs in the endurance race context. Try to stay on the el mar as long as you can! How does the mamasita compare when doing long rides?
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    I'm going to add my craptasic iphone pic:


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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I'm going to add my craptasic iphone pic
    Where does one get a pink wheel chock? Preferably Ti or carpet fiber, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I'm going to add my craptasic iphone pic:

    Thanks for posting the pic finally p nut! Can you describe your build for me?
    That is a very nice pink wheel chock by the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroutBum View Post
    Where does one get a pink wheel chock? Preferably Ti or carpet fiber, please.
    It's a rare commodity around here. You have to bribe the owner to use it. Usually some candy or cookies.

    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    Thanks for posting the pic finally p nut! Can you describe your build for me?
    That is a very nice pink wheel chock by the way!
    Build is nothing special. WTB Laserdisc wheels (hoping to get it replaced with Stans), Rampage front, Saguaro rear, BB7/XTR levers, XT cranks, Thomson post, SLK saddle (I'm thinking of replacing with a Brooks), some cheap stem, cheap bar (EA50, I think), ESI chunky grips, RS Reba Race.

    Although my ride got cut very short yesterday due to construction (6 miles), it was nice to get her out. Been riding my Monocog more recently. Forgot how much fun this bike was.

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    Craptastic. That was my weekend. Rigid ss'er at Sugarbush, VT. Yeah, I got heckled.

    Anywho, my new goal this week is to utilize "craptastic" in all my posts. Just because. In so doing, here's the El Mar in all her craptastic IPhone glory.

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    Any of you ride both a fargo and el mariachi? Seems like the standover is greater and ett shorter on the fargo...just wondering if it is a viable option for an actual mtb application or if it is just too much like a touring bikes geometry to be as comfortable/adept to everything thrown at it on a typical mtb epic ride.
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    Anybody have a 2011 size small to reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    Thanks Dino. Let me know how your race goes in a couple weeks. I am really curious about how it performs in the endurance race context. Try to stay on the el mar as long as you can! How does the mamasita compare when doing long rides?
    I think they are the same as far as on long rides I haven't gone as far on the El Mar as I have the Mamasita, I raced the Mamasita last year in four 24 hour races, I had a Big Mama that I used for a few laps but my Mamasita is a light fast bike 20lbs (it used to be 23lbs last year) I have it set-up with a niner carbon fork now and I'll start my races on the Mamasita than if my hands start to hurt after awhile then I'll use the El Mar.

    If you have a chance try to find a new Mamasita and compair it to the El Mar, the first thing that comes to my mind is the weight as far as racing but then just train harder
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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    Anybody have a 2011 size small to reference?
    I'm on a small

    I am 5'2" with a 30.5" inseam
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    Because I can't resist... here's another picture of her on a lovely little overlook from 2 weeks ago.

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    So...I joined the club! Placed my order for a medium mariachi frame, fargo fork, 32t salsa ring, 20t surly cog, four king cage ss cages and some other parts to finish the build. Will post pics as soon as I get it built up.
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    Nice. Curious why you went with a Fargo fork?

    Just went for another ride on the El Mar this morning. I love this bike the more I ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    Nice. Curious why you went with a Fargo fork?

    Just went for another ride on the El Mar this morning. I love this bike the more I ride it.
    The reason I ended up at the Fargo fork is a little on the long story side of things, but I will try to keep it short.

    First off, I was a little brainwashed I think. P nut, you have me enthralled with fat front bikes. I definitely see myself getting an Enabler fork, wide rimmed wheel and Larry tire sometime in the future, its just too expensive for me at the moment and I got a set of ss front and rear Mustang wheels in a trade, so I have a 100mm ft hubbed wheel that I can use right now with a 2.4 Ardent tire I picked up for $20. Cash is super tight right now, in fact, my wife just graciously agreed that I could spend 750 on the build items I got yesterday even though our plan was to sell my Titus frame, Revelation fork, and Easton XC1 wheels first before buying the Mariachi and ss parts. She loves me a lot and cares about my fitness, knowing that a new frame will have me riding every spare minute I get. Ok, so after all that, let me get back to answering "why the fargo fork", because I was trying to keep this shot. Hahaha.

    So I really liked the Enabler + Fat front idea and have plans to try that in the future, but its a little out of my $ range at the moment...I got hung up on the idea of spending hours on end on the Mariachi and having waterbottle mounts on the forks with ability to also put Anything Cages in their stead for bikepacking. That is a real selling point for me. Then I searched for Mariachi and Enabler and found this thread:

    Enabler 100mm or Cro Moto with bosses?

    Reading PK's recommendation for the Fargo fork on El Mar made a lot of sense, especially when you analyze the measurements between the Cromoto Grande and the Fargo V2 fork. They are pretty much the same thing, but one has braze ons.

    That's why I got 4 King Cages! I am planning to do some super long rides on my new bike!
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    Makes sense. Good luck with the build.

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    Just updated the drivetrain on my ElMar. Still an awesome bike that I have been using as backup for most of the season. I plan on training on it quite a bit throughout the remainder of the season.



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    My El Mariachi

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    My new El Mar Ti. Only a couple rides so far but I love it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by gunboats View Post
    Here's mine:



    Sick ride gunboats! I never posted the pics of mine, so maybe I should soon.

    Can you list out your specs on the build you chose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by es254 View Post
    My new El Mar Ti. Only a couple rides so far but I love it.

    Where did you find this? I ordered one a long time ago. At least now I know the El Mar Ti complete exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    Sick ride gunboats! I never posted the pics of mine, so maybe I should soon.

    Can you list out your specs on the build you chose?
    Current Setup (fixie):

    Wheels: Stans Arch on King hubs
    Tires: Specialized The Captain S-Works 2.0
    Bars: ENVE sweep
    Headset and BB: King
    Grips: Ergon GS1
    Brake: BB7 with Speed Dial SL lever
    Seatpost/Stem: Thomson
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom Expert
    Crankset: XT with Salsa 32t ring and Salsa bash
    Cog: Tomicog 18t
    Pedals: Egg Beaters

    In the past, I have had it setup as a singlespeed with a rear brake, and with Woodchipper drop bars and Cane Creek Drop-V levers. I have a race coming up in a few weeks that I will switch it back to singlespeed and probably put a suspension fork on it for (100 miles is a long day for rigid).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunboats View Post
    Current Setup (fixie):

    Wheels: Stans Arch on King hubs
    Tires: Specialized The Captain S-Works 2.0
    Bars: ENVE sweep
    Headset and BB: King
    Grips: Ergon GS1
    Brake: BB7 with Speed Dial SL lever
    Seatpost/Stem: Thomson
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom Expert
    Crankset: XT with Salsa 32t ring and Salsa bash
    Cog: Tomicog 18t
    Pedals: Egg Beaters

    In the past, I have had it setup as a singlespeed with a rear brake, and with Woodchipper drop bars and Cane Creek Drop-V levers. I have a race coming up in a few weeks that I will switch it back to singlespeed and probably put a suspension fork on it for (100 miles is a long day for rigid).
    Is it not set up single speed currently? I thought you might of had it setup as a fixed gear since you didn't have a rear brake (not sure what the reasoning is for dropping the rear brake by the way), but Chris King hubs don't come in fixed, do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    Is it not set up single speed currently? I thought you might of had it setup as a fixed gear since you didn't have a rear brake (not sure what the reasoning is for dropping the rear brake by the way), but Chris King hubs don't come in fixed, do they?
    It is setup fixed right now. I'm using a Tomicog, which is a cog that bolts onto the hub's rotor mount. So the practical reason for not having a rear brake is that there is no place to mount the rotor. Plus, I find that I can slow down effectively just using my front brake and legs.

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    Gotcha. Sounds pretty hardcore. I cant imagine striking a pedal on a rock or trying to slow down with just my ft brake and legs on some of the downhills I ride around here in San Diego, but maybe you aren't using it on technical terrain? I guess its less wear and tear on the freehub, any other reasons you like it more than being able to coast? I hear fixed riders feel more connected with the bike/ground/etc?
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    My El Mar ti complete is on order too. They told me by the end of August. Maybe they are starting to roll out

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    Though I have posted it in a few other threads, here is my El Mariachi (you can see more pics and all the specs + a ride report on my wordpress blog, there is a link in my signature).






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    Quote Originally Posted by RiKMc View Post
    Where did you find this? I ordered one a long time ago. At least now I know the El Mar Ti complete exists.
    Bought my El Mar Ti complete at Hucknroll in mid-June. They had a bunch in stock at the time -- got mine within a week of ordering. I think they are out now. Guess they aren't the only ones.

    I looked at several bikes when I was in the market -- I was kinda surprised in this economy that it was damn near impossible to find anyone who had any of the bikes I was interested in in stock. I actually ordered a Lynskey Ridgeline first, but cancelled the order when 3 weeks turned into 4 then 6 then "we aren't sure."

    Anyway, the wait will be worth it. I absolutely love the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiKMc View Post
    Where did you find this? I ordered one a long time ago. At least now I know the El Mar Ti complete exists.
    I got mine at Bicycle Sport Shop here in Austin, TX. They have a few locations, one had a an xl and another a large (mines the large). At one point I think the shop with the xl also had a large that I had done a test ride on, but no longer.
    They definitely don't seem to be in great supply, but they are out there. The more I ride it the more I am satisfied with the complete build (other than the saddle which had to go!).

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiKMc View Post
    Where did you find this? I ordered one a long time ago. At least now I know the El Mar Ti complete exists.
    Bicycle Sport Shop out of Austin has them on the floor
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunboats View Post
    Here's mine:



    amazing machine you've got there!! what's it tip the scales at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by es254 View Post
    I got mine at Bicycle Sport Shop here in Austin, TX. They have a few locations, one had a an xl and another a large (mines the large). At one point I think the shop with the xl also had a large that I had done a test ride on, but no longer.
    They definitely don't seem to be in great supply, but they are out there. The more I ride it the more I am satisfied with the complete build (other than the saddle which had to go!).

    Good luck!
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    Just got my frame in, about 75% done building here but I did have a question for everyone...I was hoping you guys could talk about how the singlespeeders in the group go about the process of chain adjustment.
    Im good with 90% of it but Im trying to understand the centering of the wheel once the drive side adjuster has gotten correct chain slack...

    I also have a question about my front fork...Im running a Fox RL80 29 from my Fisher Rig...I have talked to Fox and they have confirmed I could make mine into a 100 with no ill effects on the fork. I wondering if it would be worth it and if it would mess with the geometry of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96p993 View Post
    Just got my frame in, about 75% done building here but I did have a question for everyone...I was hoping you guys could talk about how the singlespeeders in the group go about the process of chain adjustment.
    Im good with 90% of it but Im trying to understand the centering of the wheel once the drive side adjuster has gotten correct chain slack...

    I also have a question about my front fork...Im running a Fox RL80 29 from my Fisher Rig...I have talked to Fox and they have confirmed I could make mine into a 100 with no ill effects on the fork. I wondering if it would be worth it and if it would mess with the geometry of the bike.

    Thanks
    pics to come!!

    YEs, change the fork travel to 100mm......the rides so well at that travel. It is pretty easy to do......if not, a LBS will charge you about $40 to do it.

    Tension on the chain is hard to explain.

    Too much tension, you wear out the components really fast, plus you get some drag.

    Too little tension and the chain bounces around, popping and skipping under load, plus the possibility of dropping the chain.

    Tension the chain down so that you can push up on it about 1/4" inch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    YEs, change the fork travel to 100mm......the rides so well at that travel. It is pretty easy to do......if not, a LBS will charge you about $40 to do it.

    Tension on the chain is hard to explain.

    Too much tension, you wear out the components really fast, plus you get some drag.

    Too little tension and the chain bounces around, popping and skipping under load, plus the possibility of dropping the chain.

    Tension the chain down so that you can push up on it about 1/4" inch.
    Thanks, Im getting ready to change out the fork oil, I will do it then. Its not really the tension Im trying to get right, its more the centering of the wheel. This is what Im doing:

    All bolts loose and wheel on
    Tighten tensioner bolt on drive side to get proper chain tension (about 1/4" play)
    This is where I get a bit lost because next is to tighten non drive side tensioner bolt to square up wheel but my my wheel seems like it needs to go further to the drive side, tightening the non drive side takes it closer to the non drive side.

    Do I need a half link to get my wheel further back so I can tighten the drive side more?
    Am I thinking too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96p993 View Post
    Its not really the tension Im trying to get right, its more the centering of the wheel. This is what Im doing:

    All bolts loose and wheel on
    Tighten tensioner bolt on drive side to get proper chain tension (about 1/4" play)
    This is where I get a bit lost because next is to tighten non drive side tensioner bolt to square up wheel but my my wheel seems like it needs to go further to the drive side, tightening the non drive side takes it closer to the non drive side.

    Do I need a half link to get my wheel further back so I can tighten the drive side more?
    Am I thinking too much?
    How can I explain??
    I would try not getting chain-tension right on first attempt, but get it close then tension non-drive side. Work back and forth between both sides a quarter turn keeping the wheel fairly 'centralized' the whole time. Also keep in mind that most chainring/cog combos won't be perfectly round so test chain tension during afore-mentioned tensioning proccess as you go. A slightly slack chain is a more prefered option than having a tight spot in the chain. I can't see a half-link assisting here. I've managed a 16t to a 20t cog on the same chain length. Those Alternater dropouts are very accomadating.
    My wife continualy tells me I make no sense, so if my explanation doesn't make sense, I understand (not!). Please feel free to add clarity.

    Hey forgiven_nick, nice to see you finally got yourself up and rolling on the El Mar. Bike looks the 'goods'! Your reasoning for your fork choice has got me thinking.....hmmm?!?! Bike packing is on my radar as well, keep us posted.
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    Got mine built up and tested today. Very happy with it, the size is spot on. I used to have a medium Singular which was just a bit to small for this style of bike and sold it a year ago. I was a bit unsure about the stand over on the large Salsa but its fine and feels just right.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomshilvock/6059585175/" title="DSCF4618 by Tom Shilvock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6210/6059585175_7163243ccc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="DSCF4618"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomshilvock/6059580191/" title="DSCF4614 by Tom Shilvock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6083/6059580191_e43fe6b08c_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="DSCF4614"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzer View Post
    Got mine built up and tested today. Very happy with it, the size is spot on. I used to have a medium Singular which was just a bit to small for this style of bike and sold it a year ago. I was a bit unsure about the stand over on the large Salsa but its fine and feels just right.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomshilvock/6059585175/" title="DSCF4618 by Tom Shilvock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6210/6059585175_7163243ccc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="DSCF4618"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomshilvock/6059580191/" title="DSCF4614 by Tom Shilvock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6083/6059580191_e43fe6b08c_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="DSCF4614"></a>
    Looks nice! I have one somewhere between salsa and my LBS (which has been less than forthcoming with updates or assistance in a warranty return of my old el mar.) and I can't wait. The blue looks fantastic and you build looks great. Mine will be getting a smattering of green components from my previously green bike and everything is well used but that just looks fantastic.
    Try this: HTFU

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Looks nice! I have one somewhere between salsa and my LBS (which has been less than forthcoming with updates or assistance in a warranty return of my old el mar.) and I can't wait. The blue looks fantastic and you build looks great. Mine will be getting a smattering of green components from my previously green bike and everything is well used but that just looks fantastic.
    Cheers, Yeah very happy with it. yours will be worth the wait!

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    Razz -

    What pedals are those? They look like the perfect all around set-up.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailNRG View Post
    Razz -

    What pedals are those? They look like the perfect all around set-up.

    Thanks.
    Yeah they are good, I have got a few on different bikes.
    They are make by Nuke Proof good price as well.
    Neutron Pedals

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    Too cool! I didn't even know that Nuke Proof was still in business. I thought that I saw the NP symbol on the axle cover but didn't even think to make a search on them.
    Sweet ride by the way. I have the ruby red model with the EBB and wish that they offered that blue during that year.
    Thanks!

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    not quite ready to ride but here it is
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    Looks awesome David. Build list?
    I make maps and seek out adventure using a Salsa El Mariachi with a 29+ front end. Read more here:

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    got some pink king hubs on velocity p35's (those things are huge) with hutchinson toro front and piranha rear. mid X0 rear derailleur. not sure if i will run 2x9 or 1x9. Reba XX 80 mm and will be installing hope tech X2 brakes soon. old azonic carbon bar and have a thomson seatpost on the way.

    For those running gears, are you crossing the cables under the downtube or running them parallel? thanks

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