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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    So a 32t oval ring runs fine on a 2015 steel El Mar? Doesn't hit the frame at all? Salsa says 32t max. I'm building from the frame up, probably with XT M8000 crank. I was thinking oval 32t might hit the chainstay. Anybody running 34t on a steel 2014-2016 frame?
    My bad man, I didn't see this until now, here's some pics to help you with your decision making, I think you can run the 34T no problem. If you see I put some spacers on my ring, to push it closer to the frame, which allowed the chain to stay more aligned and when pedaling backwards, the chain doesn't drop.
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    Sine my salsa was one size too small for me, I ended up picking up a Kona Unit, a other steel frame bike, heres the M8000 just for reference.
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    From a recent bikepacking trip. I've been running 27.5 Blunt35s with 2.8 tires since spring and loving it! Clearance is tight in back but have yet to experience any rub even after 500 + miles. Dropouts are all the way in.

    Drivetrain is 1x10 with Sunrace 11-42 cassette and oval 32t chainring.

    The B+ setup transforms the bike as far as handling and cush. No bottom bracket issues either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    I think you can run the 34T no problem.
    Thanks! I think 32t oval + 19t cog will work nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post


    From a recent bikepacking trip. I've been running 27.5 Blunt35s with 2.8 tires since spring and loving it! Clearance is tight in back but have yet to experience any rub even after 500 + miles. Dropouts are all the way in.

    Drivetrain is 1x10 with Sunrace 11-42 cassette and oval 32t chainring.

    The B+ setup transforms the bike as far as handling and cush. No bottom bracket issues either.


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    Very cool set up, thanks for sharing. Think you gain any rear tire clearance with dropouts slid back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danimal View Post
    Very cool set up, thanks for sharing. Think you gain any rear tire clearance with dropouts slid back?

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    I don't think so, though I have haven't moved them. It rides so beautifully the way it is set up I have been reticent to change anything. I think the tread would be too close to the chain stays if I moved the dropouts out. Based on my experiments with 29er plus wheels on this same bike (FBNimble almost fits in the back...) I think I would start getting rub when cornering since tread flexes more than other parts of the tire.

    But I have ridden the hell out of this thing over the last 4 months and no rub or other issues. Even light mud was not a problem (again I think because of where the actual tread is). The bike is very stable and playful. I take it everywhere I ride my FS without hesitation. Really shines as a commuter/bikepacker but rips as a day rider too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post


    From a recent bikepacking trip. I've been running 27.5 Blunt35s with 2.8 tires since spring and loving it! Clearance is tight in back but have yet to experience any rub even after 500 + miles. Dropouts are all the way in.

    Drivetrain is 1x10 with Sunrace 11-42 cassette and oval 32t chainring.

    The B+ setup transforms the bike as far as handling and cush. No bottom bracket issues either.


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    You have any up close shots to see the clearance? I might set one up like this, this thing looks super nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    You have any up close shots to see the clearance? I might set one up like this, this thing looks super nice.

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    +1. Please post a pic. I'm running a 29er Kenda Slant Six Pro that is a 2.35, but runs fat. I had to move my dropouts back to gain some additional tire clearance. I'll post a pic later.

    Thanks in advance.
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    The El Mariachi photo thread!-img_5598.jpg
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    Ok, here are some shots of rear clearance for the Trailblazer 2.8 X 27.5 on a Blunt35 rim. This is a 2012 El Mariachi and the dropouts are all the way in.

    Yes, the clearance is tight! It is closest at the chain stays but again, I have really abused this thing and no tire rub. They are set up tubeless.

    I have been thoroughly happy with this setup!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wahday View Post
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    Ok, here are some shots of rear clearance for the Trailblazer 2.8 X 27.5 on a Blunt35 rim. This is a 2012 El Mariachi and the dropouts are all the way in.

    Yes, the clearance is tight! It is closest at the chain stays but again, I have really abused this thing and no tire rub. They are set up tubeless.

    I have been thoroughly happy with this setup!


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    Not bad at all, you sir have given me hope to run 27.5 on my salsa and on my Unit - Kona unit

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    Does anyone know if the B+ setup will work with the stock 29er Reba fork on the El mar?
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    These guys tried it with success running trailblazers, though not on a wide rim (35mm or wider). There is a pic of the clearance.

    "The clearances to the fork are getting a little tight on the sidewalls but perfectly acceptable, with the wide rims this may be more of an issue. We tried them in both Rockshox Reba and Marzocchi 320 29er forks with pretty much identical clearances."
    I put the same wheelset pictured above on my Anthem 29er which has an F29 fork. The clearance is more than acceptable and the bike rode wonderfully. Bottom bracket drop was an issue, though. Not so with the El Mar!

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    A picture from last weekends trip to Mohichan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sven98 View Post
    Does anyone know if the B+ setup will work with the stock 29er Reba fork on the El mar?


    yes it will....ran it that way for about 9 months, then set up a lefty to run B+ this el mar will be mine forever

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    How I turned a steel El Mariachi into a Ti El Mariachi.

    I picked up a 2014 SS on a close out and [wanted a TiB]loved[/B] it. I had a good crash and dented up the frame and tacoed the rear wheel.
    Salsa has a crash replacement program ( new frame at a discount).
    They had no El Mariachis and I got the word that they were discontinued.
    Always wanted A Ti El Mar so I bought a slightly used frame off eBay and a case of Top Ramen.

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    Industry 9 SS hubs laced to Easton Arc 30's
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    Sram XO carbon cranks Wolf Tooth 32t Rennin 20t cog. Chris king 12 tooth lock ring.
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    22lbs. 11 ounces but who's counting.
    Bike rides like a dream but I nut a huge difference over the steel.
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    Lovin my El Mar out at Fort Ord!
    Finally found a small frame.
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    Looking for a large ss probably rigid for lower $. Frame or bike. Thanks
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    My dream bike is finally in my hands. I have found my cycling panacea. Holding this beauty in my hands brings mixed feelings towards Salsa. Praise for making something so unique and nice, and dissappointment for pulling the plug on the most beautiful, coolest hardtail ever.

    I can't wish for more only for this frame to last for ever! (at least till I die since its now... "obsolete")

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    Looks awesome, post pictures during/after the build. I feel the same way about mine; I won't even keep it in the garage because I can't risk it getting stolen. I have much more expensive bikes, but this one literally can't be replaced...

    Been getting my El Mar all ready for 2017 while it waits patiently. A pic from a late fall ride:

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    So the big event happened yesterday. I spent my afternoon with the El Mariachis on the stand, swapping my parts from the old frame to the shiny pretty new (to me) one.

    First order of business was stripping the old one. I felt kind of sad while I was at it, the bike had done nothing wrong ever but was getting un done none the less.
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    Now that I had both frames bare, I though it might be a good time for a weigh in. This weight is with headsets, rear slider dropouts and rear brake adaptor on. I was quite surprised at the substantial difference in weight. Was expecting the Ti frame to be about a pound lighter at most.
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    After a couple of hours and a couple of beers, my new El Mar, was ready. The swap was pretty straight forward. I did have to get an adapter for my fork as this frame came with a tapered headset. I had to cut a linkset from my chain due to the shorter stays and put on full cable housings.

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    Yellow housing was all I had so I will have to stick with it for the mean time. Maybe it will grow on me. These are some better quality pics taken this morning.

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    I REALLY like the look of this bike. It looks much better in person than I ever thought. I havent had the chance for a proper ride yet. I did a couple of laps on my backyard just to finish setting it up. So far it feel greats, the shorter stays are noticed when cornering. Tomorrow will be its first real ride.

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    Abelfonseca, Beautiful El Mar! Where did you get your titanium frame? Is it new or used? Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Abelfonseca, Beautiful El Mar! Where did you get your titanium frame? Is it new or used? Thanks...
    Thanks Mohrgan! I bought the frame from a fellow mtbr member. It is used but extremely well taken care off, almost looks like new.

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    Sweet build, thanks for the details and good pictures. Put some 3M clear tape on that frame to protect it from cable rub! The yellow cables look good...

    Dan

    *EDIT* One of the pictures makes it look like you did put some protective tape on the downtube...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danimal View Post
    Sweet build, thanks for the details and good pictures. Put some 3M clear tape on that frame to protect it from cable rub! The yellow cables look good...

    Dan

    *EDIT* One of the pictures makes it look like you did put some protective tape on the downtube...
    Thanks Dan. I put some "helicopter tape" on al cable/frame rub points. I will put some on the stays too for the occasional heel rub.

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    that thing is beautiful! ditch the yellow when you get around to it though, it distracts from the beauty of the Ti.

    good stuff though congrats!
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    Cool-blue Rhythm

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    My Old Clunker - 2011?

    Old style skinny headtube and ancient quick release dropouts (no problem with Deore Skewar).

    Usually setup with Salsa Cromoto rigid fork (pictured bottom), but currently with Fox F100 as it came to Lancashire (Northern England) which is a bit bumpier than my usual Hampshire trails. About to replace the old 1 x 10 (11-36) setup which lasted 18 months. New setup will be: new 32t oval chainring with Sunrace 11-42 cassette and Goatlink to help shifting. It'll be ready tomorrow so I'll be searching out some steep stuff to see what that 42t 'granny' sprocket can do.

    Update:
    I took the bike out yesterday with the new setup. My buddy had been impressed with the way the Goatlink wrapped the chain around the cassette when it was set up, and I found the whole thing worked well in practice. I had no shifting problems and 42 tooth sprocket got me up a couple of things which I would have probably struggled with if I'd been on the previous 11-36 cassette. First impressions - Good.
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    My first year Ti, no sliders, Lynskey made, with the classic straight headset frame. Thinking of selling it, have little use for it these days.



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    ^ what size?

    I'm looking for an El Mar, but i need an XL
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    ^ what size?

    I'm looking for an El Mar, but i need an XL
    It is a medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    ^ what size?

    I'm looking for an El Mar, but i need an XL
    What exactly are you looking for? I've got a 2014 ti XL that I have been thinking of selling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thx138 View Post
    What exactly are you looking for? I've got a 2014 ti XL that I have been thinking of selling.
    well, that would be sweet! I have been looking for a frame for a while. that may have been an option before last week but I just contacted a frame builder and it looks like I'm getting a custom frame.

    I'll still keep an eye out, i like the El Mar, and if i come across an XL frame i'll grab it.
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    What up guys n gals, second time poster(may not let me show the pics), long time lurker on this site. I just want to say I loved looking at 17 pages of fine sexy elmar bike porn, you guys really have some nice rides, great pics and a lot of great info was shared on these bikes. I've been mountain biking since the early 90's, so not new to the sport but just now getting serious again and back into the game. I had bought a midgrade giant with low grade components a couple of years ago, so I could ride with the honey a couple of times a month, and it did fine for we were riding at the time, but now that I'm back in the woods on the trails, I knew some thing had to give.... I had been stalking the CL adds for the last couple of months, because I knew I could not shuck out 2k + on a bike like one I needed/wanted right now, and it finally paid off last friday. I found one in a near by city about an hour and a half away for about 900. I knew it would last long, and contacted him on the very first day of posting. I tried to low ball him but he wasn't budging on the price, but I couldn't find one even used online for cheaper than 1500. I said screw it and told him I would be over that day to check it out...I had to drive through a thunderstorm the whole way, 5oclock weekend traffic, plus throw in Mardi Gras traffic we have gong on right now and it was a complete shtshow trying to get there, ended up taking me like 2.5 hours to finally make it. He had no idea what components were on it when I asked, nor did he know the year or which model :-/ So at first I was thinking I was about to get the ol' CL scam-o-rama pulled on me, especially considering he wouldn't call me after I had giving him my phone number, nor would he give me his number....we just kept going back and forth through the CL site email server. We finally meet up, and I actually get to check out the bike in person. There was only 2 pics in the add, and the bike looked like it was gray, or a flat black maybe. Well when I look at it now it's like a midnight blue sparkly color, thanks to this site I know now it's called Storm blue...it looked great to me. I saw 2, maybe 3 of this same color pattern on this site, and one guy had said it looked like a bass boat, that was a good description, I was thinking it looked like an old hotrod color for a camaro, or maybe an old red neck trans-am color from the 80's....

    It turns out it was a 2015 model elmar 3, with the deore/xt mix...only upgrades on her now are a Brooks c17 saddle and a arundel bottle cage, both came with her. I'll be changing out that bar soon enough, orange isn't my thing and it's over 27" long with the plugs in! It hasn't been so much a problem on the trails yet, but it's like a bull in china shop just trying to get it out of the garage, knocking things over left and right! That thing barely fits through my garage door, lol...I will probably switch to a 1x10 at some point (from 2x10 presently) but I'm just going to ride the snot out of her right now. The deore/xt set up doesn't bother me as much as it would others on here I'm sure, feels great compared to me always running bottom line stuff....compared to my old alivio (the very first year those components came out) and the x4, x5 w/ altus fr. derailer and cheap mech.Tek Novas on my giant, these feel like driving a cadillac especially with the steel frame. Also let me throw in the fact this is my very first 29er, coming off a 27.5 right now, and my first bike w/ hydro disc brakes, so the bottom line brakes feel great to me for now, and are an upgrade for sure. Also I'm used to riding 30+ lb. bikes all my life so this one at around 27-28 feels like a feather to me. That giant the way I got it now comes in at 34.5-35 lbs. !

    I've put 20 miles on her in 2 days in the trails, I love how she rides and feels. Already averaging +2 mph more and I haven't even got the shock dial in right yet, nor I'm I even 'used' to the bike yet. Loving it....

    About to go hit the trails, here's a couple of pics of her as she sits now. I'm sure I'll be back with some trail pics in the future. Take care and good riding!




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    ^ cool! nice score.

    two thoughts. first, please break that into separate paragraphs so it can be read easier.

    second, don't take those bars off. or at least don't put narrower handlebars on. Wide bars are awesome. the days of 600-660 handlebars are long gone! it's much more common to run 720-800mm bars now paired with a shorter stem. more leverage and more control, not to mention it opens up your arms and chest so you can breath better. it gives a much more comfortable riding position IMO. give it a chance before you replace them with the wrong handlebars.

    27"= 686mm= narrow and sucky.

    happy riding!
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    Haha this ^ is true!! I like the orange! I put a 60 mm stem on mine and tossed on some renthal 720s and it's like a knife through the woods.

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    *onespeed*

    I just went back and measured, I knew this bar had to be at least 700mm, and it was 27 7/8" from end to end straight across, which gives you around 708, my bad. From the front including the angles it was around 718mm. I hear ya' on giving it a chance, I like the way it feels no doubt, but where I ride we have no rocks, but roots and trees every where. Some of these gaps even on the intermediate technical trails have only 2.5' clearance in between....that's cutting it close with a 28" bar or larger Unfortunately this isn't wide open mountain trails, fire roads, or endless space deserts with no trees at all.

    I rode a 23" bar for 15 years...so even that 25"+ on my old bike felt wide, now on to another 3 inches wider! I like it though, I just did 7 miles on some med/hard trails and haven't clipped any trees yet.

    And speaking of onespeed, I talked to a gentleman earlier for about 20 minutes as I was pulling back into the trail parking lot. He was commenting about my bike and saying he had never seen one while out biking. He was driving a SS Niner w/ a salsa chain tensioner on it. It was a really nice super light bike, even with the older rockshox on there.

    We've been having 80 deg. weather in February where I'm at. It sure is nice to get back out there daily and ride...

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