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    Salsa, don't ever discontinue this frame.

    At long last, it is here. I just built up a bike based around the 2009 Dos Niner frame. Here's a parts list, I weighed it tonight and it's a ridiculous 24.4 lbs. Ridiculous because this is an XL 29er softtail frame with 185mm cranks! I wasn't really even trying to weight weenie it out, but 24 pounds is an ideal XC bike weight in my opinion.

    2009 XL Salsa Dos Niner Frame
    Stan's ZTR Arch 29er Rims, DT Swiss Spokes
    American Classic hubs, front 20mm thru-axle
    2009 Rock Shock Reba Team 29er 120mm 20mm maxle fork (adjusted to 100mm)
    Surly Mr. Whirly 185mm crankset 44-32-22 with external bottom bracket
    Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.4" tires with Stan's tubeless
    Easton Monkeylite SL carbon handlebar
    Oury lock-on grips
    Avid Juicy Ultimate 160mm disc brakes
    USE Alien carbon seatpost
    Selle Italia SLR saddle
    XT front derailleur, XTR rear derailleur
    SRAM Attack 8-speed grip shifters
    SRAM 8-speed cassette and chain
    Token carbon bottle cage
    Race Face XC 70mm stem
    Crank Bros Eggbeaters 2 Ti pedals


    I'll upload photos soon.
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    Wow, that is impressive for a XL frame. That Surly crank has to be pretty heavy too (although I'm just assuming). The Dos Niner is my fave bike for sure. Look forward to seeing the pics.
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    Thanks, here's photos.

    The handlebars look higher than the saddle in this pic, but they're actually slightly lower


    Carbon handlebars, seatpost, and SLR saddle compensate for weight gains in other areas. Having a little carbon flex in these areas is good too.


    The 185mm Surly Mr. Whirly cranks immediately impress. They weigh in with bottom bracket at 1020g but I wouldn't do without them.


    Through-axle Reba Team 120 set to 100mm travel is gracefully plush.


    The Salsa Dos Niner is all tatted up, even on the seatstays! Beefy 2.4s barely fit in the back against the flattened chainstays. Dialed in the Relish shock at about 15psi.
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    Wow... That's a great looking Dos. Congratulations and thanks for sharing!

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    Thanks. I love the inked out, tatted-up look of the silver frame. I also want to go faster. I ride an offroad route to work every day. First day on the new bike, <a href="http://tunicatrails.org/?q=node/88">I broke my previous record by 18 seconds</a>.

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    Nice looking build! The white rims go nicely.

    I wonder if the colour for 2010 is going to change, not such a fan of silver, I like spicy colours.
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    I believe that the silver was chosen because paint chips easily on scandium frames. For me that's good since I intend to rail on this bike pretty hard. I suppose they could anodize it another color. I can tell you that the grey-on-silver graphics look cooler in person, like I said it looks like a full body tatoo on the Dos Niner

    After getting the right pressure, the Relish is doing its job and keeping my back from getting sore. I fell like I'm going to strengthen my back muscles because it's making me get off the saddle a little more than my previous bike. That's fine, because the Dos Niner feels completely under control. The 29er's wheelbase, or really, the length from longitudinal tip of the front wheel to the rear tip of the back is monstrous compared to my old Scalpel.

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    hey ive got a stupid question, im not familier with this frame but am interested in this frame. anyway if this is a softtail frame how does the lower part of the frame pivot with suspension movement? i know it only has 1 inch of rear travel but how does this work? does the lower rear frame move down at the bottom bye the crank? i cant find any pics of just a dos 9er frame.

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    Yes, it's an all scandium/aluminum alloy frame. The chainstays (tubes down by the chain) are flattened so that they're thin vertically but thick horizontally, meaning that it will flex up but not sideways. You can see it in the pics above. You'll read of other guys on MTBR that have raced a Dos Niner frame for years, it's a simple, tough design.

    With an all-metal frame I guess 1" is the most they can expect to get out of it. On a 29er this is good enough. It feels great on descents, climbing, and the pavement. I'm not going to tell you it's the same thing as a 3" full-suspension bike, but it's about 2 lbs lighter than most of those frames, and you don't have to worry about shock service, worn/broken linkages, or losing any power to suspension bob.



    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971
    hey ive got a stupid question, im not familier with this frame but am interested in this frame. anyway if this is a softtail frame how does the lower part of the frame pivot with suspension movement? i know it only has 1 inch of rear travel but how does this work? does the lower rear frame move down at the bottom bye the crank? i cant find any pics of just a dos 9er frame.

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    thanks alot i did manage to find a pic of an 07 frame (paint on those were alot better LOL) and was able to see the down tube i talked to some local racers at a local bike shop and 2 of them use this frame and they both love it. they ride on med. frams and when i sat on it it felt alot bigger than other med. frames. but thease guys swear up and down on the salsa bikes so other than the silver wich i love and hate im starting to get pretty pumped on the salsa rides and may be building one this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971
    thanks alot i did manage to find a pic of an 07 frame (paint on those were alot better LOL) and was able to see the down tube i talked to some local racers at a local bike shop and 2 of them use this frame and they both love it. they ride on med. frams and when i sat on it it felt alot bigger than other med. frames. but thease guys swear up and down on the salsa bikes so other than the silver wich i love and hate im starting to get pretty pumped on the salsa rides and may be building one this winter.
    I've owned every version of the Dos Niner except the newest silver one (I ended up going with a Big Mama this season), but I still have my orange '07 frame, which is pictured in these photos. It's an awesome bike if you're looking for a frame that weighs just a bit more than a hardtail, but offers a much smoother ride. It's not a true full suspension bike, but as I've told many folks before, it's more like a hardtail with privileges. You can get away with stuff on a Dos that you'd never be able to get away with on a regular hardtail. It's pretty incredible -- just about the perfect 12 or 24 hour bike for a fit rider.

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    What made you choose to go with the Big Mama for racing?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    I've owned every version of the Dos Niner except the newest silver one (I ended up going with a Big Mama this season), but I still have my orange '07 frame, which is pictured in these photos. It's an awesome bike if you're looking for a frame that weighs just a bit more than a hardtail, but offers a much smoother ride. It's not a true full suspension bike, but as I've told many folks before, it's more like a hardtail with privileges. You can get away with stuff on a Dos that you'd never be able to get away with on a regular hardtail. It's pretty incredible -- just about the perfect 12 or 24 hour bike for a fit rider.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    What made you choose to go with the Big Mama for racing?
    The desire to have more travel... and the fact that I already have a Dos Niner in the quiver. Now I have both bikes to be able to choose from!

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    Ok, just how tall are you that you're working the XL with 185 cranks?
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    Glad you asked, I'm 6'4" with a 36-37" inseam. I should also mention that I have size 15 feet, which makes for a little more ecto-morphism I guess

    I'm looking at my Reba Team 120 and wondering whether by having the shop adjust the travel down to 100, the shock has compressed at all. I have no complaints about the geometry or pedal ground clearance so far.

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    Ok, just how tall are you that you're working the XL with 185 cranks?

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    I'm thinking the silver frame would look pretty sweet paired with all silver hardware. On the other hand, sometimes it looks real crappy when colors don't quite match.

    Thoughts?

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    I just ordered a 20" myself (6'6, 36 inseam) and I'm going to be using 175 cranks (i run them on ALL my bikes, except for my singlespeed which is 180). I see no need to order the XL just for a fraction of an inch more of TT room right now, with a much greater increase in standover. Its taking over from a 17" GT Peace 9R multi i've been using. The parts are coming off the GT and going to the Salsa... parts like WTB Laserdisc lite on DT 7.1 rims with DT Revo 1.8/1.5 spokes and alloy nipples, same tires as you, DuraAce 9sp thumbies, Shimano XT Hollowtech Octalink cranks, 22/34/bashguard, 11-34 XT cassette, and so on. I just picked up an 09 Reba Race at cost+10% today, ordered the frame maybe 30 mins before that. I figure low 24 range will be easily achieved also. I'm just debating if i'll move the gold annodized headset over also... it would tend to clash with my silver/black/red colour scheme i have in mind.
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    I felt robbed of sprinting and climbing power with 175s. I'm not sure why tall guys do that to themselves, small cranks and frames, but I suppose you have your reasons. I do ride a 58cm cyclocross bike with long stem and layback seatpost, which feels just fine.

    Most of what I've bought was measured in trying to get better performance in races. I have to say that the new Dos Niner looks like a monster truck next to my old Scalpel, but the long top tube and bigger wheel out in front is very much welcome, especially on really steep drops. I do like a small stem to make the handling as quick as possible against the other big elements.

    By the way, Racing Ralph 2.4s fit ok in dry conditions, with a tiny but of rub in hard corners at low psi. In mud though they clog up in front and back really quickly on this bike. I'll buy 2.2s or 2.3s next.

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    I just ordered a 20" myself (6'6, 36 inseam) and I'm going to be using 175 cranks (i run them on ALL my bikes, except for my singlespeed which is 180). I see no need to order the XL just for a fraction of an inch more of TT room right now, with a much greater increase in standover. Its taking over from a 17" GT Peace 9R multi i've been using. The parts are coming off the GT and going to the Salsa... parts like WTB Laserdisc lite on DT 7.1 rims with DT Revo 1.8/1.5 spokes and alloy nipples, same tires as you, DuraAce 9sp thumbies, Shimano XT Hollowtech Octalink cranks, 22/34/bashguard, 11-34 XT cassette, and so on. I just picked up an 09 Reba Race at cost+10% today, ordered the frame maybe 30 mins before that. I figure low 24 range will be easily achieved also. I'm just debating if i'll move the gold annodized headset over also... it would tend to clash with my silver/black/red colour scheme i have in mind.

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    wow, that first bike in the tread looks just like mine! Here is my 09 Dos 1x9 with 2010 Reba Race 120mm fork and some other goodies. Was not sure about the white / silver but it has grown on me.
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    ok im 6"3 235lbs with a 34-35 inseam should i go large or extra large? if i recall this frame runs on the bigger side? i love that orange/red 07 dos!!!!! how long into the year would i have to wait to see the 2010 salsa line up? someone told me salsa wont have anything in 2010 line up until dec/jan.this could end up being a slow winter build up. man i havent built a bike since my hutch bmx back in the 80's it was pricey but i had a bad ass hutch racer. frame/fork is sitting in my basement.

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    You have excellent taste, newking

    roscoe1971, you're only slightly shorter than me, go with the XL and get a short stem. You should have plenty of standover.

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    The DosNiner shares the same back end for three of the frame sizes (21.3 inch seattube on the 16, 18 and 20" frames), so you're always going to be limited with how low the seatpost can go. Its DEFINITELY not a frame for short people, and even if the standover on the 16" isn't that bad, many folks will complain about the seatpost not being able to go low enough.

    The 20" has a 24.4" effective toptube and the 22" (which is really a 23.7" seattube) has a 25" effective toptube. The difference in standover is a bit over an inch though (at over 33" for the 22" frame). I'm riding a 24.1" effective toptube now with a 120mm stem on my current 29er. The 20" Dos will let me go to a 110mm stem and keep exactly the saddle to bar distance i like to use now (and the same as I have on my 20" beasley with a 130mm stem and most all my 26er bikes which tend to run 130 or 150mm stems depending on TT length). If I got the 22" Dos I'd have to go to a 95mm stem to be in the same position and well, that's not quite a common size for stems. Not to mention I already have a nice 120g titanium 110mm stem ready and waiting to go on it when the frame arrives, hopefully next week. In addition, even if I wanted a longer compartment, a 20mm longer stem is lighter than a 2" bigger frame size. The only reason at all for me to run a 25" toptube would be if I planned to use my Ti Jones bar on it, which I don't, as I haven't actually enjoyed it that much.
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    another one....


    Selma being ordered tomorrow.
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    2009 Dos Niner

    2009 Dos in size midget. Many thanks to Velomech in Boise!


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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
    another one....


    Selma being ordered tomorrow.
    That looks light. Nice build. Got a weight?
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    No weight yet...I haven't picked it up from the shop. Will post the weight and a ride report as soon as I get the chance.

    My bad....Looks like you are looking for the weight on the previous post.
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    Welcome to the club, guys. Still lovin' mine:
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    D8,
    At what travel are you going to run your fork on your Dos?

    Roscoe, I think a frame size that allows a stem length from 90-110 is just about perfect. Shorter or longer seems to me to say go to the next size up/down in frame size. Also, keep in mind that the longer the travel used on the fork, the shorter the effective top tube becomes given the same (your own preferred) saddle postion relative to bb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cchan999
    2009 Dos in size midget. Many thanks to Velomech in Boise!

    Your bike looks great! Do you have any more photos from different angles? Would like to see them. I'm currently riding a Mamasita but I am thinking of going back to a Dos. It's just ideal for about every XC situation.

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    The 09s have the increased offset so I'm going to run it in the stock 100mm travel mode. I got my frame yesterday, today I'll build it.
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    I can finally join the club...

    I just got my frame in about 30 minutes ago. Its an '07 I got off ebay, you probably saw it there. I'm waiting on a Reba, Cane Creek 110, and some bling to come in in the next week or so, then I'll get to building. Can't wait!

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    I'm slowly assembling mine. I realized after I got the crankset installed and stepped back to look at it again, that I despise how they did the cable housing stops on the toptube for the brake cable. An open loop ? Really? How cheap. With no way to position a zip-tie or clip to hold the housing in place cleanly.
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    must be a mid-year change. mine has the standard brake hose mounts (for zip ties or clips).

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    Not a change for the better IMHO.
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    Just built mine yesterday and have already experienced the most severe chainsuck EVER in twenty years of mountain biking and probably a hundred different bikes. I've never had it take ten mins to extract the chain before. Also the remote lockout on my Reba broke (while locked) and I had to pop the cable out to get the thing to open again while on the ride. I'll post it into my own thread later today when I have more time but for now, 25.2 pounds as pictured (but since I've yanked the remote lockout, its down to a couple ounces already), Large size, and those are also the 2.4 RRs. I will say to the OP, I'm getting tire lug buzzing noises under power... how about you? I'm thinking of switching to the 2.25 in the back at least.

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    DeeEight...I'd be interested in your thoughts on the Dos overall. Expectations and reality kind of thing. I am acquiring parts to build up a HT (or softtail) and the Dos is near the top. Thanks.
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    I expected a better ride (then again I was coming from fully rigid chromoly) than my GT Peace 9R and a good weight reduction at the same time. I achieved that. Hell the frame alone was lighter by more than the suspension fork was heavier. There IS some frame flex laterally in the rear end though, which has resulted in buzzing the RR 2.4 (granted they only claim clearance for up to a 2.3 in the specs) against the inside of the stays whenever I lean the bike and the softtail suspension cycles (which means really, ALL the time when powering up a hill or sprinting). You certainly don't want to run the same tire if you're not gonna keep up on wheel trueness, there's no margin for error with a warped rim here.

    So far i'm enjoying it otherwise but I need to find my sweet spot in body position on it still. It certainly steers better than I expected but that could be the new Reba's increased fork offset. A few times yesterday on an XC course that's of World Cup level I found myself having to negotiate some really tight switchbacks and it was necessary to go to the outside a bit more than I usually do on say, my Beasley, but I never really found myself falling off the track into the trees. It does afterall also have the longest wheelbase of any of my bikes, even longer (by about 20mm) than the GT. I'm also still trying to find the perfect tire pressure for sealant tubeless. I ran 23F/25R yesterday and got some rather loud noises smacking rocks, but no burping fortunetly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    I will say to the OP, I'm getting tire lug buzzing noises under power... how about you? I'm thinking of switching to the 2.25 in the back at least.
    You're right, the Racing Ralph 2.4s are not a good match for the rear of a Dos Niner. I asked my LBS to order them, realized my error, and tried to change to a 2.2 rear after they'd already been ordered, but I just went with them when they came in. Under most conditions I think they give a luxurious ride, the buoyancy works well with the softtail frame.

    It hasn't been a big problem for me at 180lbs and 30 psi, but I have considered trimming the knobs.

    I was going to attribute the rub as much to flex of the tire casing instead of the rear triangle, but I could be wrong. Dos Niner frames apparently support bigger tires than they used to, but the RR 2.4 is just a really big tire. It's considerably bigger than a WTB Werewolf LT 2.55:
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    It spins fine in the stand or upright on pavement... take it off-pavement (so the softtail starts flexing) or lean the bike and bzzzzzzzzzz goes the side knobs. Its not as bad as my Peace did before I aligned its dropouts but still... annoying (especially since the peace clears them fine). More so since the beads sealed fine and tight with the stans sealant and now I have to break it free and setup a different (smaller) tire.
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    Rockin' an 05

    Have had this frame for quite a while and it is still kickin' it. Yes, the tire clearance was tight on the original frames, but I haven't had an issue in the AZ dry dirt.

    Agree, this is the perfect XC race machine, especially on a 24 hr. course.
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    Here's mine suited up for winter riding in Pisgah National Forest, NC. Love love love it! Have been on one since '07 and have done several enduro races on it. I've been training for a hundy that's this weekend on my SS WaltWorks and got on my Dos Tuesday night for a ride and it felt like a little speed racer! Can't wait for Saturday!
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    OK I trimmed my rear knobs last night in preparation for a race that might be muddy, problem solved. Good thing I did, because the beginnings of an indentation had occurred on my left chainstay. I used an angle grinder, what a mess of powdered rubber. I had a new Kenda Nevegal 2.2 that I could have put on, but its large knobs make the tread width just about the same as the RR 2.4s. http://mtbtires.com/site2/tech/38-ge...dth-comparison

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    It spins fine in the stand or upright on pavement... take it off-pavement (so the softtail starts flexing) or lean the bike and bzzzzzzzzzz goes the side knobs. Its not as bad as my Peace did before I aligned its dropouts but still... annoying (especially since the peace clears them fine). More so since the beads sealed fine and tight with the stans sealant and now I have to break it free and setup a different (smaller) tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newking
    wow, that first bike in the tread looks just like mine! Here is my 09 Dos 1x9 with 2010 Reba Race 120mm fork and some other goodies. Was not sure about the white / silver but it has grown on me.
    That bike looks great!! How's the bike handle with 120mm up front?

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    Here's my '06 that I build up in February of that year. Seems like it was only yesterday. Changes from these pictures include flipping the stem over and a cushier saddle.

    I've actually be thinking about selling it and getting something with more travel, then I come read other's enthusiasm for the Dos and I start to waver.

    Have there been any changes to the Dos other than the color in it's lifetime? Sounds like they gave it more tire clearance at one point?

    Build highlights:
    180mm cranks
    Marta SL brakes
    Easton carbon post
    Mikesee built DT240/Delgado Disc wheels with his signature "puke" spoke nipple color scheme

    If I remember correctly, this build is right about 25.6 lbs.

    Cheers!
    -Ian
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    Quote Originally Posted by goneskiian
    Have there been any changes to the Dos other than the color in it's lifetime? Sounds like they gave it more tire clearance at one point?
    Nevermind. I found the thread that talks about the year to year differences.

    LINKY for those with the same question I had.

    Cheers!

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    My apologies for the reposting of pictures. I'd completely forgotten I made a complete thread for my dos when I first got it.

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    No problem

    I virtually locked out the rear shock at a race recently by putting 55psi in it and realized how much I missed it by the end of the race. It helps my back so much on all the little things like roots and rollers.

    Quote Originally Posted by goneskiian
    My apologies for the reposting of pictures. I'd completely forgotten I made a complete thread for my dos when I first got it.

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    Nice bike! Do you have that reba set at 80mm? I think mine is at 100mm but not completely sure as I bought it used. Don't sell it, you'll regret it later!

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    Here's mine. Love the bike with the right parts. Get too many flexy bits on there and it goes in two different directions at once.

    Still tweaking mine out. It's a work in progress.
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    I mounted a RR 2.25, which is really actually a 2.15" tread width and 2.1 in casing. Again it solved the problems without needing to degrade the edge knobs of a perfectly good tire, which is going back onto my GT Peace (which is now a loaner bike). The RR 2.25 was harder to seat tubeless though, had to use my compressor instead of the floor pump as with the 2.4. If I'd known ahead of time though that the Evo casing 2.25 was skinnier than claimed, I might have shaved the knobs anyway. I hate giving up casing volume.
    I don't post to generate business for myself or make like I'm better than sliced bread

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