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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest72
    okay, this will be the new 09 so the steere tube (Reba SL) will still be in tact. It looked like the pics showed the bars below the saddle but I will take your word for it and also upgrade that Reba to the 100mm. Thanks again for the help!
    Just take care not to cut too much of anything off of the steerer tube until you get your position dialed in for you. Or if one was using a tube already cut, Thomson and Salsa (among others) make some nice stems with plenty of rise when combined with spacers, riser bars etc... can get one way above the saddle.

    I went for a pretty level (or close to level) bar/saddle position on my - I guess you'd call it "all mountain" trail bike - and trimmed just a bit off of the steerer tube of a 120mm Fox fork to get there. Since I used a flipped 5 degree stem and flat bar, it called for a bunch of spacers. And I have the option of flipping the stem up if I want to go above my saddle. I found I had to go to a longer stem 110mm over my usual 90-100mm to get the weight off the hands and feel right. I could have reached the same bar height position using less spacers and a stem with more rise, but I went with this configuration for now and seem to like it a lot.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4194805109/" title="RiPPer2 by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2626/4194805109_204c875ab3_o.jpg" width="1171" height="670" alt="RiPPer2" /></a>

    If you do get a Dos and are using an uncut '09 Reba, mess around with it set at 80mm first as the uncut steerer tube will be plenty long to get your bars above your saddle. Changing to 100mm will raise the front end a bit more which may - depending on how you ride - slacken things enough to alter the quick steering of the Dos just a bit. I haven't tried mine like that, but many Dos owners use 100mm front suspension and love it. So perhaps the steering change is not that big of a deal at all. But it is worth mentioning before you start cutting your steerer tube. Lots of these pictures in the two Dos threads have bikes with 100mm front suspension. I've been meaning to try it, but just haven't gotten around to that yet. I've got 2 Rebas set at 80mm and 1 at 100mm, so it wouldn't be hard to do.

    All the best making your decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest72
    okay, this will be the new 09 so the steere tube (Reba SL) will still be in tact. It looked like the pics showed the bars below the saddle but I will take your word for it and also upgrade that Reba to the 100mm. Thanks again for the help!
    I have the 09 Dos with an 07 Reba set at 80mm. I typically run my bars and saddle level, and in order to do so I run my stem flipped "road bike style" with a flat bar.

    The only 29er bikes that I know of that really tend to be more lower on the bars than the saddle are the Cannondales with the Lefty.
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    so 29er bike handlebars typically sit up higher than 26 inchers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest72
    so 29er bike handlebars typically sit up higher than 26 inchers?
    heres some numbers to crunch...

    a Reba 29er (100mm) has an A-C height of 506mm, about the same as a 130mm 26er fork. In addition, the axle of a 29er is *roughly* 1.5" higher than a comparable 26" wheel/tire combo.

    Thats why you see a lot of 29ers with really small headtubes, flipped stems and drop bars. Aside from the Cannondale Caffeines with Lefty forks, its actually a trick to get a 29ers bar height down to where most people like them on their 26" bikes.

    To compensate for this in the back of the bike, you'll see a lot of manufacturers have their chainstays where they dip down so the BB height will be the same as their 26" brethren. *Most* 26" hardtail chainstays run somewhat parallel to the ground.

    Myself, I just accept it for what it is, and don't worry about how it relates to a 26er. I want my bike to feel and ride like a 29er. None of this fancy offset/G2 geometry stuff for me! Then again, I've been on 29ers almost exclusively since 2002.

    If it feels right, then to you!
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    Great explanation. So basically you can be in a more upright "comfortable on the lower back" postion on a 29er versus a 26er so long as you do not cut the head tube on the 29er?? Correct

    I am just having to mail order this Salsa Dos and do ot want to get it home and feel like an un comfortable 26 inch XC racer.

    Thanks again!

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    In your profile, you listed a Fisher Rig 29er as your bike.

    Up front, there isn't going to be that much difference compared to a Rig 29er. The biggest differences from the Rig is going to be the short ETT on the Salsa and the longer seat tube length.
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    Oophs, I am not sure how the rig 29er got in there. I am trying to see how much different the seating position is compared to the Rocky Mountain slayer SXC all mountain that I am riding. Thanks for the input...

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    I feel it's my responsibility to contribute to the bike porn in this thread. You don't see many soft tail 29ers here on the frozen tundra so pictures and feedback from fellow racers (esp. Bruce Brown and Matt Gersib) were a huge part of my decision to build up this XL Dos.
    It is replacing a 26" Epic as my do-it-all bike for racing and riding the Canadian Rockies

    The Reba is set to 100mm - coming from the Epic (which has a slacker head tube, longer wheelbase) I doubt the handling will feel slow.
    Crankset is a Raceface Next LP with 29 and 42 tooth rings, shifted by a SRAM Rival derailleur.
    I'm 6'4", the cockpit is pretty stretched out (120mm flipped stem) for now.
    Weight is just over 25lbs. Once I size the right stem and post, and switch to tubeless racing tires it should go down to ~ 24.5 lbs.

    Thanks Salsa for designing this light, efficient and sweet-looking frame !
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    Thanks for the friendly advice, I am planning to take advantage of it. With the sag I was running on the Reba maxle to get quicker steering, I was probably down to around 80mm of travel, so I decided to change the fork and stem.

    It should be quite an interesting surprise, hopefully ready in time for XC season. I'll post pics when it's ready

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    You are a tad beyond the "tweener" spot [6'2" - 6'3"] that could probably make a size L work. You firmly land in the size XL category and that's usually where I go as well in spite of testing and trying to make a size L fit before.

    I'm pretty much the same dimensions as you (long legs and arms, but a hair under 6'4" (I'm 191.5cm) and a hair under 36" inseam (35.75") using the bare foot on the floor to top of book in the crotch measurement) and comfortably ride the 2006 XL Dos with a 5 degree 90mm stem (sometimes I flip it down and sometimes not). But I ride and race it with my older generation Reba Race set at 80mm. I've yet to try my Reba at 100 on the Dos, but I like the quickness of the 80mm for XC racing. 180mm cranks.

    Maybe your fork at 120mm, with your seat slid forward and perhaps too long of a stem compromises your turning/handling and is the underlying reason you are contemplating swapping frame sizes. I think for your size, dropping to the size L is going to end in a bad fit filled with band-aids. That's my opinion of course - totally based on being the same size as you. Okay, my feet are not size 15, but my son's are. ;-]

    Why did you jump all the way from a 70mm stem to a 100mm stem? I guess if you had a 17 degree sweep handlebar you would be okay with 100 - 110mm stem, but I bet there is a sweet spot waiting for you in there around 90mm stem length. I've tried 85mm, 90, 100, 105, 110 all with various angles and a half dozen handlebars thanks to my parts bin and other bikes in the garage. That's all part of the natural tweaking phase one goes through as they get used to a bike and look for handling improvements.

    I would not be so quick to trade out to a smaller frame size. All the plumbing (bars, stem, spacers, etc...) might get even more crazy with the smaller size L frame and lead to utter frustration. Heck, the Dos Niner - as well as the XL Karate Monkey - both have one of the shortest ETT's for the size XL's out there in 29"er land compared to other brands (ditto for the Dos and KM's wheelbase - short). My Sugar 293's ETT is 1/2 longer and my JET and RIP are also longer in XL than the Dos (both ETT and wheelbase). What does the ETT mean stem wise if you dropped down to the smaller sized L frame? 1/2" = 12.7mm so in addition to more seatpost, you'll need a longer stem and/or more layback on the seatpost. And more spacers, stem/bar rise to deal with the even shorter head tube length. I think you are on the correctly sized bike.....

    My XL in 23.x lbs. with flipped 90mm stem and very little sweep bar race kit:

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    And here she is in flipped up 100mm stem and bar with more sweep formation:

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    Since your Dos is still pretty new to you, I'd say keep fiddling and tweaking the fit with proper stem length, saddle position and fork travel until you find your sweet spot. I'll be riding my 5th XC race season this year on the Dos and it took a season or two to dial in the sweet spot and really get comfortable on the bike. Even then, I still like to play with bar height, stem length, stem angle all the time just for the heck of it. I run narrow bars with very little bend in them for tight and twisty courses and sometimes run the Salsa 17 degree bend bar with longer stem for other courses and training. It all depends.

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    Guess Ill throw in one of the few Dos-Niner's here in "good 'Ol germany", I really got lucky getting a hold of this frame last year:

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    Just did my first race today on my '06 Dos. What a great race bike...

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    Biggest rear tire?

    Just curious what the biggest tire anyone's run on a 2010 Dos? Thanks Jefe

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    You can actually follow this thread discussion about it, no changes for 2010. The Racing Ralph 2.4 is one of the biggest out there. It'll fit and roll in the rear but it's not a viable setup for long, it'll buzz with frame and hub flex and anything but dry conditions will encourage mud clog quickly.

    Kenda Nevegal 2.2s are big for their size and they do OK, but you're probably best off with a rear-specific smaller tire at 30psi and letting the shock do the damping. Racing Ralph 2.25s fit very well.


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    Just curious what the biggest tire anyone's run on a 2010 Dos? Thanks Jefe

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    Building up my Dos tomorrow, can't wait!!

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    The 2.3 max tire recommendation is dead on... the RR 2.4 is a full 2.4 so its not safe except in say, the repair stand. In actual riding it'll buzz the chainstays and remove paint, and probably tubing material eventually. A RR 2.25 works fine though. I ran a 2.4 in my Reba and 2.25 in the frame for 3 weeks and loved it, until I sidewall sliced the rear. I'm waiting on a RR 2.25 SS casing to replace it (was using the plain evo casing). Its winter here so I haven't needed the Dos since the fall. My Beasley's NeoMoto 2.3s give plenty of floatation and until this week we haven't had much in the way of deep snow accumulation to deal with. Hell even now its so mild out that the snow is melting down during the day and falling at night and making for super packed riding conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Just curious what the biggest tire anyone's run on a 2010 Dos? Thanks Jefe
    As others have noted, the big meats in terms of width (Ralph 2.4, Ardent 2.4, etc... ) are just too wide. You might, however, consider the Continental Racing King 2.2 which is a very tall volume (not so wide) tire that will give you excellent volume in the rear. It won't rub on the chainstays like the wider volume big meats. And you could run either a King up front or something with some more side biting knobs - depending on your riding style and local terrain needs.

    I've ridden and raced the Ralph combo of a 2.4 up front and 2.25 in the rear quite a bit.

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    Got it done today, looking forward to getting it on the trail.
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    My 2006

    I have been racing my Dos for the first time lately, and it's been a great race machine!

    Mine is just a tick over 25lbs. I love it.
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    My 2006 Dos (again)...

    Just realized I accidentally posted this on page 1 of the thread instead of after the last post on page 2. DOH! Here she is again...
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    The Black Dos build is finally finished. Rode it today in the snow for a while. Weighs in at 22.42 with these tires and pedals. Should be right at 21.5 come race day with maxxis aspens and 4ti pedals.
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    a 29er Scalpel

    This bike is the end result of a year of hard riding, learning through success and failure at racing and trying new trails all over. It's big, durable, fast, light, and nimble. Every part has been selected to suit me after said trial and failure with others.







    Key components:
    Cannondale Lefty Speed Carbon SL with Project 321 adapter
    Surly Mr. Whirly 185mm crankset
    2x8 Shimano Dura-Ace 7800 drivetrain (Sora pictured)
    Front Tire: Specialized Captain Control 2Bliss 2.2, Stan's tubeless
    Rear Tire: Schwalbe Racing Ralph Snakeskin 2.2, Stan's tubeless
    carbon wherever possible except drivetrain

    Thanks to Mendon Cyclesmith for the "swamp proof" fork rebuild and Bill at Dirt Road Bikes in Baton Rouge for the bling-out and the indestructible drivetrain!
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    First Salsa!!!

    Finally got my medium Dos Niner build done. First Salsa also first 29'er . I'm a recent convert from 26" FS......can't wait to ride it!!

    Build is:
    Bar - Easton EC90
    Stem - Syntace F99 (120mm)
    Headset - Chris King
    Brakes - Magura Marta's (160mm rotors)
    Shifters - SRAM X.0 Twisters
    Front Deraileur - SRAM Rival
    Rear Deraileur - SRAM X.9 (meduim cage)
    Seatpost - KCNC Ti Prolite
    Saddle - WTB Silverado
    Cassette - Shimano XT (11-34t)
    Crank - Origin 8 Sub 2x9 (Blackspire 38t, XT 26t)
    BB - FSA Platinum ISIS (68x113)
    Rims - Stan's ZTR 355 (3x lace w/ DT Revolution spokes)
    Hubs - WTB Laserdisc Lite (w/ Salsa skewers)
    Tires - Kenda Karma L3R 1.9's
    Total weight 23.3 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    This bike is the end result of a year of hard riding, learning through success and failure at racing and trying new trails all over. It's big, durable, fast, light, and nimble. Every part has been selected to suit me after said trial and failure with others.







    Key components:
    Cannondale Lefty Speed Carbon SL with Project 321 adapter
    Surly Mr. Whirly 185mm crankset
    2x8 Shimano Dura-Ace 7800 drivetrain (Sora pictured)
    Front Tire: Specialized Captain Control 2Bliss 2.2, Stan's tubeless
    Rear Tire: Schwalbe Racing Ralph Snakeskin 2.2, Stan's tubeless
    carbon wherever possible except drivetrain

    Thanks to Mendon Cyclesmith for the "swamp proof" fork rebuild and Bill at Dirt Road Bikes in Baton Rouge for the bling-out and the indestructible drivetrain!
    Awesome combination!!
    I own a Cannondale Rush 5 Lefty now , and Im thinking in buy a dos-niner instead, but I really love the Lefty fork, this could be the best option

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    I've got/had serveral 29ers - GF Rig (sold) - Jones SS - Niner Air9 with carbon forks & GF Rumblefish. The bike I don't have is a short travel non technical all day geared comfortable XC 29er.

    Now I've got the chance of a "new" orange Meduim frame over here in the UK, but I have several questions after reading back on this great thread.

    1) I'm 5'8" with a 31" inside leg will the Medium be too large for me?
    2) I like climbing out of the saddle SS style but hate suspension pedal bob, do you get it on the Dos?
    3) For what I want to ride which are the best forks either 80mm or 100mm and which make?

    Ta

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    dos as a hardtail?

    1. I'm 5'8" with a 31" inside leg will the Medium be too large for me?
    I am about the same size and inseam and I ride a Small. Not sure but I think the Dos 9ers run a bit large. The small seems to fit me & has me in a good non-stretched out position with good standover,

    2 I like climbing out of the saddle SS style but hate suspension pedal bob, do you get it on the Dos?
    Very little bob on the softail set up. You can hammer up hills and it rides like a hardtail. If you notice any bob, you can add 10psi to the rear shock in increments and that will stiffen everything up.

    3) For what I want to ride which are the best forks either 80mm or 100mm and which make?
    It's designed for a 80, but there are quite a few people who run 100mm. I am running a 100mm Reba XX and it's insane. You get a push button lock out that will really make the bike feel like a rigid hardtail for those unseated climbs. Dos is a great bike -- I have a 1x9 Dos as well as a SS Dos and I just pulled the trigger on a LaCruz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnclimber
    1) I'm 5'8" with a 31" inside leg will the Medium be too large for me?
    2) I like climbing out of the saddle SS style but hate suspension pedal bob, do you get it on the Dos?
    3) For what I want to ride which are the best forks either 80mm or 100mm and which make?
    1. Med should be fine
    2. "Bob" is more of a fork issue. The Dos has little or none in the rear.
    3. I have used both 80 and 100 mm (changed the 80 to a 100). I much prefer the 100 based upon more pedal clearance and better geometry for descending. (I'd rather climb than descend but don't like the feeling that going OTB is imminent when descending). However for mostly non-technical riding, 80 is fine.

    DR

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    After drooling over this thread for over two weeks and searching for deals I pulled the trigger on a brand new Dos with the stock XT kit. I was considering a build to get it into the 23-24lb realm like many have here, but for the price of this bike brand new you just can't beat the stock build. The only thing I am thinking about doing right away is getting the Stans Arch wheels with Hope Pro II hubs.

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    I feel that the Dos Niner corners and turns switchbacks noticeably better with an 80mm fork. Longer travel gives better confidence on descents so there's a tradeoff. I feel my skills have improved but I needed the quicker steering. I run long cranks and don't have a problem with pedal strikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnclimber
    I've got/had serveral 29ers - GF Rig (sold) - Jones SS - Niner Air9 with carbon forks & GF Rumblefish. The bike I don't have is a short travel non technical all day geared comfortable XC 29er.

    Now I've got the chance of a "new" orange Meduim frame over here in the UK, but I have several questions after reading back on this great thread.

    1) I'm 5'8" with a 31" inside leg will the Medium be too large for me?
    2) I like climbing out of the saddle SS style but hate suspension pedal bob, do you get it on the Dos?
    3) For what I want to ride which are the best forks either 80mm or 100mm and which make?

    Ta

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    tires.

    Read through the entire thread. Either going to go with the Kenda Nevegal 2.2 or the Racing Ralphs 2.2 I plan on using these with a set of Stans Arch Rims and yellow tape.

    Should I look for UST specific or the regular ones will do? With RRs, the UST ones cost more and are not available in the Snake Skin version. http://www.schwalbetires.com/racing_ralph

    Also I don't have an air compressor. Am I SOL or have you guys had good luck getting the bead seated with a regular pump?

    -Steve

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    Kenda Nevegals and Schwalbe Racing Ralphs are very different tires.
    Nevegal: heavy all-mountain tire, inexpensive, slow but superb grip.
    Racing Ralph: expensive, light, low rolling resistance yet good grip, paper-thin (in non-Snakeskin version 2.25)

    A Nevegal 29x2.2 is going to rub in the back and damage your frame. It's a good choice for a front tire but I prefer the Maxxis Ardent 2.4 or the Specialized Captain Control 2Bliss 2.2 in front.

    I have cut two Racing Ralph 29x2.25's in the rear, I don't recommend them run tubeless; they're a mess. Instead buy the Racing Ralph 29x2.25 Snakeskin; they seal up very well.



    Quote Originally Posted by vtsteevo
    Read through the entire thread. Either going to go with the Kenda Nevegal 2.2 or the Racing Ralphs 2.2 I plan on using these with a set of Stans Arch Rims and yellow tape.

    Should I look for UST specific or the regular ones will do? With RRs, the UST ones cost more and are not available in the Snake Skin version. http://www.schwalbetires.com/racing_ralph

    Also I don't have an air compressor. Am I SOL or have you guys had good luck getting the bead seated with a regular pump?

    -Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    A Nevegal 29x2.2 is going to rub in the back and damage your frame. It's a good choice for a front tire but I prefer the Maxxis Ardent 2.4 or the Specialized Captain Control 2Bliss 2.2 in front.

    Thanks man.

    Will the Maxxis Ardent 2.4 rub in the back? Also any thoughts about the stockers that come with the Dos, WTB Prowler SL 2.1?

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    The Ardent 2.4 is definitely too big for the rear; stay with 2.2s or smaller in the rear. The Kenda Nevegal's side blocks make it a very wide 2.2, but most others should work fine.

    The WTB Prowlers look like a solid tire for front or back but I haven't ridden them before.

    Quote Originally Posted by vtsteevo
    Thanks man.

    Will the Maxxis Ardent 2.4 rub in the back? Also any thoughts about the stockers that come with the Dos, WTB Prowler SL 2.1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtsteevo
    Read through the entire thread. Either going to go with the Kenda Nevegal 2.2 or the Racing Ralphs 2.2 I plan on using these with a set of Stans Arch Rims and yellow tape.

    Should I look for UST specific or the regular ones will do? With RRs, the UST ones cost more and are not available in the Snake Skin version. http://www.schwalbetires.com/racing_ralph

    Also I don't have an air compressor. Am I SOL or have you guys had good luck getting the bead seated with a regular pump?

    -Steve
    Pick up one of those 3 Gallon tank Sears Craftsman air compressors to have in the garage. Sometimes they go on sale and drop from $139 down to $89. Worth having as it removes a lot of frustration when inflating tubeless tires and you can keep your car tires topped off while you're at it year round.

    We've all been there and done it with a pump. My advice - get a compressor!

    What's your local terrain in terms of dirt? Sandy and loose is what the Prowler does well. If you're not sandy and loose (I knew one of those in college), then swap out the rear Prowler for something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    Pick up one of those 3 Gallon tank Sears Craftsman air compressors to have in the garage. Sometimes they go on sale and drop from $139 down to $89. Worth having as it removes a lot of frustration when inflating tubeless tires and you can keep your car tires topped off while you're at it year round.

    We've all been there and done it with a pump. My advice - get a compressor!

    What's your local terrain in terms of dirt? Sandy and loose is what the Prowler does well. If you're not sandy and loose (I knew one of those in college), then swap out the rear Prowler for something else.

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    I agree. I would have an air compressor for sure. You don't always need one, I just put a pair of Kenda Karma 1.9s on some ZTR 355 29'er rims and was able to pump them up with a floor pump no problem, with only one layer of yellow sealing tape. But I have also had to use a compressor on other brands/models of tire. Just depends on what you end up with for tires. A compressor will keep you from beating you head against the wall when your trying to get the tires mounted up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    What's your local terrain in terms of dirt? Sandy and loose is what the Prowler does well. If you're not sandy and loose (I knew one of those in college), then swap out the rear Prowler for something else.

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    Bazinga!

    I am in Charlotte/NC so we usually have dry summers, but wet fall/spring. Since these come stock and don't look that bad on paper I will probably keep them but swap out one tire depending on time of year.

    The wife does want to put up some molding around the house... perfect excuse to get the air compressor.

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    One more DOS, it was Orange in 2009, this year will change to Silver (due to the crack in the old frame)


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    Quote Originally Posted by maon
    One more DOS, it was Orange in 2009, this year will change to Silver (due to the crack in the old frame)

    Holy stem drop batman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destin
    Holy stem drop batman
    I guess you refer to this photo of mine


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    Quote Originally Posted by Destin
    Holy stem drop batman
    Here's the opposite with 130mm going erect....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4467085657/" title="Dos profile by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2715/4467085657_c01f0d3c84.jpg" width="500" height="295" alt="Dos profile" /></a>

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    fresh Salsa

    I just rode mine this weekend in Fruita, good stuff indeed, was super fun and very easy to get to know, the bike just works and well, very happy. I do have a question, seems some folks are running these as singlespeeds, just curious what their setups are? using an old rear derailler for tension? thanks for the info, Jefe

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    Ss Dos

    I run my SS DOS in the magic gear of 32 x 21 NO TENSIONER!
    The gearing is a little bit spinny for the flats and while sometime I would prefer 32 x 19 or 32x20, I am pretty happy when riding a flowing, hilly course.

    If you're going to run a tensioner, there are a lot of good ones out there. I would probably go with the Soulcraft because it has a quick release in case you have to change a flat on the fly.




    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I just rode mine this weekend in Fruita, good stuff indeed, was super fun and very easy to get to know, the bike just works and well, very happy. I do have a question, seems some folks are running these as singlespeeds, just curious what their setups are? using an old rear derailler for tension? thanks for the info, Jefe
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    chain tension

    I was also curious if the chain tension changed much as the rear compressed, it is only
    1" of movement, but that would be the best chance for the chain to fall off, seems chains stretch a lot on my SS, seems the perfect gear wouldn't last long???

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    No chain drop on DOS SS.....

    The chainstay length is static because the DOS softtail setup pivots around the BB. A few other bikes like the Kona A & Lenz Milkmoney achieve this as well.

    Never a chain drop - I use a KMC heavy duty chain. I think it's a 410H? It's pretty heavy but it has not strectched in over a year of hardcore ss riding.

    I run a Deda Dog fang and MRP XTC bottom bracket mounted bash guard. The SS DOS set up is pretty sweet because it basically hammers like a hardtail on climbs and gives you that 1" of cushion for the bumps.



    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I was also curious if the chain tension changed much as the rear compressed, it is only
    1" of movement, but that would be the best chance for the chain to fall off, seems chains stretch a lot on my SS, seems the perfect gear wouldn't last long???
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    Here I go with my newer version of the DOS Niner for 2010 - many thanks to Salsa for replacing my frame in distant Poland

    This size large, weight 11.7 kg (25.8 lbs) - pretty heavy in this companionship.....



    2010 Salsa Dos Niner Large Frame
    Salsa Delgado Race 29er Rims, DT Swiss Competition Spokes
    XT hubs with centerlock
    Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25" tires with inner tubes
    2008 Rock Shock Reba SL 29er 80mm with poploc
    XTR rear 160mm and front 180mm disc brakes
    Avid BB7 Front 160mm disc brakes with SD7
    Shimano XT 175mm crankset 44-32-22
    XT pedals
    XT front derailleur, SRAM X.9 rear derailleur
    SRAM X.7 Trigger shifters
    XT 9-speed cassette
    XTR chain
    Ritchey WCS handlebar
    Uno ultralight 35 deg 110mm stem
    Thomson Elite Setback seatpost
    Kelly’s Titanium saddle
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    Curious, what's the deal with the dropped handlebars? Tell me why.

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    Hi, I'm building a Dos Niner next week (when all parts arrive from the online stores), and I'm a bit worried about the Relish shox vs Mud.

    I live in the north of Spain (Asturias) and we have mud all year long, and I haven't seen here or in other forums and blogs a good solution to avoid the shox getting dirty.

    This picture (from http://www.thesoiledchamois.com) started all my worries:



    ¿Anyone with same problem and a solution?

    Thanks

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    By all accounts the Relish is one of the most trouble-free shocks. I live in Louisiana and we have mud a-plenty, especially with the El Nino weather conditions through last year. It's been covered in mud countless times, but it's one thing I don't have to worry about.

    Texas and Arkansas rocks, on the other hand... the scandium is very thin and will dent easily, but so am I, and so will I


    Quote Originally Posted by Bertocq
    Hi, I'm building a Dos Niner next week (when all parts arrive from the online stores), and I'm a bit worried about the Relish shox vs Mud.

    I live in the north of Spain (Asturias) and we have mud all year long, and I haven't seen here or in other forums and blogs a good solution to avoid the shox getting dirty.

    This picture (from http://www.thesoiledchamois.com) started all my worries:



    ¿Anyone with same problem and a solution?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    Curious, what's the deal with the dropped handlebars? Tell me why.
    I want to have the most aerodynamic postion on the bike, with this dropped handlebars I can achieve ~10 cm difference between handlebars and sadle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    You can actually follow this thread discussion about it, no changes for 2010. The Racing Ralph 2.4 is one of the biggest out there. It'll fit and roll in the rear but it's not a viable setup for long, it'll buzz with frame and hub flex and anything but dry conditions will encourage mud clog quickly.

    Kenda Nevegal 2.2s are big for their size and they do OK, but you're probably best off with a rear-specific smaller tire at 30psi and letting the shock do the damping. Racing Ralph 2.25s fit very well.
    as a "ahem" heavy boned rider... I've taken a real liking to the WTB Weirwolf LT in 2.55 on my El Mariachi.

    Any chance it would fit in a Dos? The tyre is very "rounded" which makes me think it just might...

    Any feedback?

    Elvis.

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    From what I've read, the Weirwolf runs a little narrow and is probably a true 2.3. Probably a tight squeeze; you'll want your rims true and not too much mud. If it were me I'd go easy on myself with a 2.2 or 2.1 in the rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis @ Dirt Works
    as a "ahem" heavy boned rider... I've taken a real liking to the WTB Weirwolf LT in 2.55 on my El Mariachi.

    Any chance it would fit in a Dos? The tyre is very "rounded" which makes me think it just might...

    Any feedback?

    Elvis.

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    Well after asking Jason from thesoiledchamois.com I'm convinced, but anyway I'll try to make a small mudguard for the shox

    The frame is here at last!! http://picasaweb.google.com/bertocq/SalsaDosNinerCustom I'm still waiting for the fork, wheels and etc... I'm surprised with de 1,97kg of weight, and the sound of "can" when you hit it with the fingers (and the small paint pot too) Many thanks Salsa for this amazing frame!

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    rim width

    Seems rim width makes a big difference, I got a wolverine 2.2 on a stan's flow that has come out of true a touch and rubbed a bit on the chainstay, not much room down there! The funny thing is that 2.2 looks about the same as a weirwolf 2.5 mounted on an Arch rim. I do like the wolverine, it works great, good sidewall.

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    I ordered a dos niner with the stock build from webcyclery.com. Medium size was not in stock and was ordered from salsa. The box arrived at the door steps today.

    I opened the box to find a set of Delgado 29er Disc Race Rims, instead of the Semi 29er Disc Rims that I was expecting because the XT build clearly specifies the Semi's and not the Delgados.

    After looking at threads like this, I am concerned...
    Salsa Delgado Disc Rims DANGEROUS!!!

    Likewise I can't find anything on the salsa web-site about delgado race rims. I see the Semi's, the gordos, and the delgado cross, but nothing about the delgado race rims.

    Do you guys know know anything a bout them or have any specs? Here are the pics.



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    I would suggest that you measure the width of your rims. I just got a new dos also and one wheel was labeled semi and the other was labeled delgado. they both measured the same and I'm convinced they are semi's and the one has the wrong sticker on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtsteevo
    I ordered a dos niner with the stock build from webcyclery.com. Medium size was not in stock and was ordered from salsa. The box arrived at the door steps today.

    I opened the box to find a set of Delgado 29er Disc Race Rims, instead of the Semi 29er Disc Rims that I was expecting because the XT build clearly specifies the Semi's and not the Delgados.

    After looking at threads like this, I am concerned...
    Salsa Delgado Disc Rims DANGEROUS!!!

    Likewise I can't find anything on the salsa web-site about delgado race rims. I see the Semi's, the gordos, and the delgado cross, but nothing about the delgado race rims.

    Do you guys know know anything a bout them or have any specs? Here are the pics.
    Hi, I run kinda similar setup with XT hubs, DT Comp spokes for 1.5 year, with ~ 15 competitions within this period - and no issues at all . Each rimm weighted ~ 440 grams.

    I was around 187 lbs last year, with rather smooth style of riding.

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    Looking down at the rim (upright), with the tire removed from the wheel, the outside measurement is 30mm, which indicates that it is a Semi.

    Edit: Got in touch with Eric at Salsa. Eric confirmed that some of the wheel sets were mislabeled at the warehouse as Delgado Races, but Salsa stands behind the fact that they are Semis. The measurements confirm it.

    Quote Originally Posted by farmer255
    I would suggest that you measure the width of your rims. I just got a new dos also and one wheel was labeled semi and the other was labeled delgado. they both measured the same and I'm convinced they are semi's and the one has the wrong sticker on it.
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    Never gonna ride a 26er again!!

    I finally got it built !!

    Today was the first test, the fork lock wasnt well installed but I enjoyed it alot. I was surprised with the Relish shox, with 50psi and my 210lb of weight it was a good feeling in the rear wheel.


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    [QUOTE=vtsteevo]Looking down at the rim (upright), with the tire removed from the wheel, the outside measurement is 30mm, which indicates that it is a Semi.

    Edit: Got in touch with Eric at Salsa. Eric confirmed that some of the wheel sets were mislabeled at the warehouse as Delgado Races, but Salsa stands behind the fact that they are Semis. The measurements confirm it.[/QUOTE

    Sorry wrong thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertocq
    I finally got it built !!

    Today was the first test, the fork lock wasnt well installed but I enjoyed it alot. I was surprised with the Relish shox, with 50psi and my 210lb of weight it was a good feeling in the rear wheel.


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    Nice build and welcome to the club of the DOS niner fans!
    What is the weight of your bike and can you elaborate a bit about your saddle ? is it DuoPower ?

    Cheers !

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    Thanks for the comments.

    The bike weights 26,5 lb (12,1kg) but its not finished yet, this week I'm gonna install a new XT 180mm crankset and 11-34 XT cassette and XT/SLX Bottom Bracket, so I'll save some weight. The seatpost is for testing too, and I have to cut it to save some more weight.

    My saddle is a Duopower Arrow (190 gr.)

    To know more about this ergonomic saddles the best option is read the users manual: http://www.duopower.com/uploads/documents/ENG.pdf For the lazy readers I would say that every biker I know that tried it, never went back to the "normal" saddles, even womens love it. Its a basic concept.. sit on your bones and not on your balls.

    Many bikers say that this saddles are ugly, but they say it too about 29ers... In spain we say that opiniones are like the ass, everone got one... but mine got no problem to sit down after a long mtb ride. The most suspicious bikers say that the pro's dont use them.. but is for legal reasons, because the UCI doesnt allow saddles that are so short, but referees doesnt take much attention to it here, at least in mtb races.

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    To each their own

    Looks like that saddle might be more comfortable, whatever works for you. A technique I use on steep, loose technical climbs is to sit on the very nose of the saddle, in order to weight the rear but get as forward as possible. It's hardly a flattering position, but it is at least possible with a traditional saddle.

    With those dropped stems I wonder if the posters do many descents? I wouldn't say that being more aero isn't helpful, but that wouldn't have been the reason I'd have guessed for doing it. I can see how it would aid cornering to be 4" below the saddle, but looks kind of dangerous for when you're hauling ass downhill.

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    Well with this saddle, that position is more conftable, because there is no "nose" that can hurt your ass, and its more easy to jump on/off it in a hard climb. I live in the north of spain, where we have roads and trails with 23-30% inclination and we really apreciatte the lack of "nose".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    Looks like that saddle might be more comfortable, whatever works for you. A technique I use on steep, loose technical climbs is to sit on the very nose of the saddle, in order to weight the rear but get as forward as possible. It's hardly a flattering position, but it is at least possible with a traditional saddle.

    With those dropped stems I wonder if the posters do many descents? I wouldn't say that being more aero isn't helpful, but that wouldn't have been the reason I'd have guessed for doing it. I can see how it would aid cornering to be 4" below the saddle, but looks kind of dangerous for when you're hauling ass downhill.
    We are all different and ride & compete in different environments. Indeed there are no many descents here where I live, so from my perspective i can justify from the tactical perspective this 0.1% of the trail where i have a agressive downhill (and I can always make the decision to get of the bike and just run down), vs 99.9% of the trail where such a aero position is beneficial. Also it's easier to climb with that position, and typically you spend more time climbing than descending

    BTW many 26" bikes have this type of difference between saddle/bars.

    Also - when you dig it into this subject this is what you will find (based on Schwalbe's website):

    "The air resistance rises in a squared ratio with increased speed. In a straight-line and at a speed of 20 km/h on level ground, air resistance has already become the main resistance force. In a straight-line and at a speed of 20 km / h on level ground, air resistance has already become the main resistance force."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertocq
    Thanks for the comments.

    The bike weights 26,5 lb (12,1kg) but its not finished yet, this week I'm gonna install a new XT 180mm crankset and 11-34 XT cassette and XT/SLX Bottom Bracket, so I'll save some weight. The seatpost is for testing too, and I have to cut it to save some more weight.

    My saddle is a Duopower Arrow (190 gr.)

    To know more about this ergonomic saddles the best option is read the users manual: http://www.duopower.com/uploads/documents/ENG.pdf For the lazy readers I would say that every biker I know that tried it, never went back to the "normal" saddles, even womens love it. Its a basic concept.. sit on your bones and not on your balls.

    Many bikers say that this saddles are ugly, but they say it too about 29ers... In spain we say that opiniones are like the ass, everone got one... but mine got no problem to sit down after a long mtb ride. The most suspicious bikers say that the pro's dont use them.. but is for legal reasons, because the UCI doesnt allow saddles that are so short, but referees doesnt take much attention to it here, at least in mtb races.
    Never seen such saddle before.... not available here where I live, and still too expensive to justify the purchase for a try .... Would be interesting to try... as I always liked to try new stuff Good luck with the upgrades !

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    Quote Originally Posted by maon
    Never seen such saddle before.... not available here where I live, and still too expensive to justify the purchase for a try .... Would be interesting to try... as I always liked to try new stuff Good luck with the upgrades !
    They started 4 years ago, so they are still growin, but the users feedback increased a lot the quality, with free replacements etc..

    The only online store I found:
    http://www.espaibici.com/catalogo/pr...dc=148_150_156
    http://www.espaibici.com/catalogo/pr...dc=148_152_159

    Hope in 2 or 3 years some american distributor will discover this saddles. They really worth it

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    rode the Dos for the first time yesterday...

    The bike came in about 2 weeks ago, but I had to wait for the new wheels to come in. Took her out for the first time yesterday...

    Stock build with the exception of the Wheelset (Stan's Arches, Hope Pro IIs, Super Comp Spokes).







    This is my first 29er, and my old bike is a 2002 Fisher Sugar 2.

    The bike climbes much better compared to the Sugar. I did not have to shift my gears as much as I usually do on the trail. Still getting used to cornering on a 29er.

    A couple of things I still have to figure out:
    1. My lower back hurt significant amount more towards the end of the ride compared to the old 26er set up, where I was in a much more aggresive position. One would think that on the 29er with the handlebars around the same height as the seat I would be more comfortable, but that was not the fact. I am going to lower the stem height by removing 1 or 2 of the spacers, but I am guessing this is going to be a trial and error exercise until the fit is just right.
    2. There was a lot more chain slap, and after some rough roots the chain fell off in the front. Didn't happen again, but I will monitor this.
    3. The stock handlebars are wide! (710 mm). Will be replacing these sometime soon most likely. Tree's do not taste good, and some of the trails I ride here in Charlotte are narrow.

    Overall, .

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    why not cut the bars down? They have marked lines so that you can cut them down easily and evenly. Besides, it's free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtsteevo
    Still getting used to cornering on a 29er.

    ...

    1. My lower back hurt significant amount more towards the end of the ride compared to the old 26er set up, where I was in a much more aggresive position. One would think that on the 29er with the handlebars around the same height as the seat I would be more comfortable, but that was not the fact. I am going to lower the stem height by removing 1 or 2 of the spacers, but I am guessing this is going to be a trial and error exercise until the fit is just right. <snip>
    Moving spacers above the bar might help your back, and it'll almost certainly improve your cornering, too. Maybe your photo is a bit misleading, but it looks like you might be best off with all 3 spacers above the stem.
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    Wanted to share this with folks - these bikes can be built really light without going weight-weenie on them. Throw some used parts into the mix and you can have a < 24lb bike for < $2400 - easy. The key is to use light wheels and tires - don't mess around - I rode one of these beauties with heavy stock build stuff on it - the front weighed 2200g ready-to-roll (rotor, tire, etc). It felt awful. My stans ztr 355 ready-to-roll was 1550g with stans, rotor, strip, valve, skewer, etc. I've been on a Yeti 575 < 27lbs for 5 years, and was not sure I'd like this. I put my time in on a mid-90's bontrager hardtail, and still ride it some, so I knew I'd get along OK. With the 29er, low tire pressure, and the softail running < 15psi in the Relish (I weight 150 with gear), this thing is awesome. I have over 300 miles on it - and am faster than the Yeti in nearly all conditions, even ridiculous technical stuff this thing rolls over what you can't get around. I notice at < 8mph I am clumsier with this bike, but still seem to pick through stuff. I don't feel as fast in strong headwinds/sidewinds either. However, It carves way better, rolls sand and loose way better, and of course lets you stand up and haul without heating up shock oil! I am racing Fruita's 18 hour, eRock 24 hour, and some others on it. I have previous lap times so have a good comparison and can post the differences.

    What would I do different? Although I sure enjoyed building this bike from parts, I'd Buy a new XT-equipped complete bike that are on sale on the web now for $1700. Then add the stans rims for $515, and $100 worth of lighter tires. For $2500 you'd have a 25.5lb bike, all brand new, and a spare set of wheels. Don't let them claim they are 25.1lbs plus pedals - I weighed a medium and it was 28.4 mostly due to the Salsa wheels and Prowler tires with tubes. There are some other heavier parts on them (stem, bars, cassette) as well.

    Here is a detailed build on my new (2009 frame/parts). Pardon the formatting, it was in a spreadsheet and didn't cut/paste well. First column is cost, second is lbs if that is what I measured in. Third is grams, must weights are grams. Next is description, last is the source if you need to source a part (except for my friends nick and greg!).

    cost+ship lbs grams description source
    frame 885 4.05 1838.7 small, w shock, seat collar universal cycles
    fork 400 3.8 1725.2 reba team dual air, after steerer cut bikebling
    headset 50 140 Cane-creek s-6 bikebling
    wheelset 500 1580 stans ztr 355 disc, skewers, tape notubes.com
    brakes/rotors 50 230 avid rotors pricepoint
    calipers/pads 80 460 bb7, pads/calipers no cables/pair jensen
    brake levers 20 120 avid jensen
    tires 70 1050 specialized fastrak LK 2.0 bicycle village
    stans sealant 0 160 per pair ??
    shifters 50 270 gripshift x9 with cables, housing jensen
    seatpost 10 180 Thompson, setback, cutdown. greg
    stem 0 160 ritchey stem spares
    bars 30 130 Easton carbon 25.5 clamp jensen
    grips 0 50 Cut down Yeti for gripshift greg
    cranks/rings 60 870 actual, from nick nick
    cassette 0 300 (website), price with cranks nick
    chain 0 300 (website), price with cranks nick
    pedals 0 270 actual, eggbeater sl's/pair spares
    seat 20 230 wtb rocket nick
    front derail 25 180 x7 front jensen
    rear derail 59 230 x9 rear jensen
    cables/housing 15 140 actual, precut was 220, this is postcut jensen

    Total $2324 23.38lbs 10613.9grams

    Total Bike ReadyToRide 23.47 on the same scale, all at once.

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    Some pictures. Sorry for the crappy phone quality photos....
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    Do you know if the 80mm Reba 29 form being spec'd with the 2009 Dos Ninders being sold online has lockout? Here's one:
    http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.a...+Mountain+Bike

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    My 2009 Reba comes with a max compression feature - not a true lockout. The blue knob I can see on the top of the right side of the fork of the picture in the link you included shows the same feature. Go to the reviews on those Reba forks and check out what others have to say about it. I find it quite sufficient to stand up and have little or no bob in the fork, plus if you take a big hit the floodgate feature allows the shock to work.

    That XT bike in the photo is likely 27lbs with pedals, maybe more. I rode one that was 28.4 with those same wheels and close to the same build. Just a heads up on claimed weight! I'd consider it, but realize you have to buy some light wheels if you want the weight down near the 25lb mark. Nice to have the spare set though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnordby
    Go to the reviews on those Reba forks and check out what others have to say about it.
    Thanks. I've tried researching it but I can't tell for sure which fork it is. The ads refer to it as simply a RockShox Reba 29, 80mm, with no designation of Team, SL, etc. and all the forks review have that sort of designation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRRider
    Thanks. I've tried researching it but I can't tell for sure which fork it is. The ads refer to it as simply a RockShox Reba 29, 80mm, with no designation of Team, SL, etc. and all the forks review have that sort of designation.
    I think they all had a compression to "lock" feature, but I'd call and ask. I also wouldn't put too much stock in the description/photo, as they claim 25.7 lbs and those looks like maxel-lite drop outs to me. [In Cambria's defense, 25.7 is Salsa's number, and Cambria has "28 lbs" listed in their ad]. Although I would think with no pedals and tubes (not listed), 25.7 sounds in the ballpark for a small.

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    +1 on web cyclery. That's where I got mine. I got the 80mm Reba SL (black) with the "lock out" feature and a lock out lever on the handle bar and triggers the lock out.

    As far as the weight.. stock build size L that I got was 27.31 lbs (wigh 266g eggbeaters). Lightened it up already with Stans Arches/Hope Pro IIs, and now I am at 26.23. Need to swap out a few more things to get to 25...

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    Dos is a winner

    Just wanted to let you Dos fans know this bike has some depth, I managed to win the AZT 300 on this bike, and set a new record. It was built with my own parts and not that light, about 27-28#'s. Sure do like the bike a lot and handled some rough terrain with bikepacking gear just fine. can see my set up at bikepacking.net. Dos Niner = Good stuff. Jefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    Just wanted to let you Dos fans know this bike has some depth, I managed to win the AZT 300 on this bike, and set a new record. It was built with my own parts and not that light, about 27-28#'s. Sure do like the bike a lot and handled some rough terrain with bikepacking gear just fine. can see my set up at bikepacking.net. Dos Niner = Good stuff. Jefe
    Impressive! Although I don't think the bike deserves all the credit.

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    Hi ppl,
    I just wanted to ask if anyone out there has some leftover Very Verdy Green touchup paint ,for my 07 Dos,that they can part with. My beloved Dos is getting pretty shabby looking as of late and thats a shame cause I just love that bike.If anyone can help me out hit me with a PM or even a mail Jwiz5000@aol.com

    Thanks in advance,
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    An update - took this rig to moab - put some Geax Suarro's on it for a touch more volume and to not ruin the Specialized LK's for a race coming up. Keep in mind, I came off a Yeti 575 that I rode for 5+ years and swear by that bike.

    Amazing bike out there, and I'm not all beat up. Gold Bar from town to the Rim and back (kicked off by snow on the rim this last Thursday!) was perfect for this bike. Lots of send crossings, technical climbs, and drops. Porcupine from town worked well too, the dirt road of course, but the climb from Sand Flats to the rim was a bit bumpy - hard to sit and pedal. The ride down surprised me - I was faster and cleared more on this Salsa than my tried and true Yet 575 with 2.3's on it. Very stable, capable bike in the rough at speed - I weigh 155 with my gear, so I may not flex that frame like others. Rode Slick Rock Saturday early, and although this bike is faster in there if you are trying to get around, I found the seated pedaling on that rough was not as fun as a full sus set to take the small and mid-bumps out. The Yeti would be more fun in that case, but slower. I am riding that Salsa at 5psi tops, and bottoming it out to try to keep it as comfy as possible.

    ps those Geax 2.2 Suarro's are hard rubber long lasting tires, but are not grippy - even on slick rock at 22psi tubeless - and are tough on hardpack with a bit of loose over it. They roll extremely well though, and will last forever. These are the $35 Performance 2010 models, other years may vary, but they are extremely hard rubber tires.

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    New to me, but not this forum! 24 lbs. 7 oz. as it sits

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    Adios and Hola Dos Niner....!

    My old green 2006 frame snapped at the rear dropout weld on a training ride a couple of weeks ago....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4560714410/" title="Addios Dos! by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/4560714410_34501d9cd1_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Addios Dos!" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4560714610/" title="Bye-bye! by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/4560714610_b563ed8bd2_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="Bye-bye!" /></a>

    Thanks to my LBS and the wonderful boys at Salsa, I was able to land a crash replacement new frame that arrived on Friday. So I went from this....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4467860008/" title="Dos profile too by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4467860008_0e3f5d437a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="635" alt="Dos profile too" /></a>

    To this...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4590226299/" title="Dos Niner in Raw by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4590226299_8844c40015_b.jpg" width="1024" height="695" alt="Dos Niner in Raw" /></a>

    Long live the Dos and kudos to Salsa (and my LBS)!!!!

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    I have a 2006 Dos as well, and from the photos it looks like the new frame design has been beefed up in that area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47
    I have a 2006 Dos as well, and from the photos it looks like the new frame design has been beefed up in that area?
    Yes, there is a little more beef there in the welded joint.

    Based on my race yesterday, I can say - like others have said - that the frame is not as "flexy" as the 2006 model. It's not that you notice the stiffer frame, it's just that you don't feel the flex like you did with the 2006 frame. Not sure if that makes sense, but I know what I'm trying to say....

    The only really weird thing was the cable routing plastic piece under the bottom bracket. Neither side of it seems to want to work with my routing and Dura Ace front derailleur. So I'm going to move the plastic piece I saved from the 2006 model onto the new frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
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    Long live the Dos and kudos to Salsa (and my LBS)!!!!
    Congrats and welcome to the "silver" world !

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    Can anyone recommend a shock pump to dial in the relish shock in the back? The dial on the one that I have is in increments of 20, which makes it tough when I am trying to dial it in between 15 and 20 psi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown

    Long live the Dos and kudos to Salsa (and my LBS)!!!!
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Congratulations on the new ride, Bruce and thanks for being a loyal Salsa customer. That green Dos frame was a good partner on a lot of your adventures and I can't wait to see where this new silver Dos takes you.

    Looking forward to riding with you soon, my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Congratulations on the new ride, Bruce and thanks for being a loyal Salsa customer. That green Dos frame was a good partner on a lot of your adventures and I can't wait to see where this new silver Dos takes you.

    Looking forward to riding with you soon, my friend.

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    Thanks, Matt. I'm looking forward to many miles on this new frame. See you soon at some race somewhere....

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    Adding my name to the fan club! Grabbed an 09 at a great price to replace my Niner MCR. The Niner is a killer frame but didn't quite fit right, and the deal I got on the Dos was too good to pass up. I'll post pics soon.
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    I've raced the Dos Niner in 18 races so far all over the South. The components have changed, it's now a a pure race bike with my gaining confidence. It started out more as a light all-mountain setup. It also has a couple of dents now

    The bike is down to 23.2 pounds, size XL, long and lean like yours truly, ready for more abuse. We're about to do three races in three weeks so we'd better be.

    I still would like to try a friend's size L for the shorter top tube (with a longer stem), to try and get faster in the tight and twisties. Cornering has improved with a shorter travel fork, flipped stem, smaller tires, and hopefully some skills picked up along the way.


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    Good job! Nice Ride

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    My old green 2006 frame snapped at the rear dropout weld on a training ride a couple of weeks ago....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4560714410/" title="Addios Dos! by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/4560714410_34501d9cd1_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Addios Dos!" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4560714610/" title="Bye-bye! by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/4560714610_b563ed8bd2_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="Bye-bye!" /></a>

    Thanks to my LBS and the wonderful boys at Salsa, I was able to land a crash replacement new frame that arrived on Friday. So I went from this....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4467860008/" title="Dos profile too by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4467860008_0e3f5d437a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="635" alt="Dos profile too" /></a>

    To this...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/4590226299/" title="Dos Niner in Raw by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4590226299_8844c40015_b.jpg" width="1024" height="695" alt="Dos Niner in Raw" /></a>

    Long live the Dos and kudos to Salsa (and my LBS)!!!!
    Nice looking ride Bruce. I love my XL Dos we discussed a few months back. I would have been curious to ride the 2006 since you say it was flexier. Although, my new XL is plenty flexy for my taste. Enjoy your ride. I love that silver!!!

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    I have been waiting since November of 2009 to be able to post these. Other than grips, and the final wheelset (Flows laced to 240S hubs), my Dos Niner is *FINALLY* complete. Break in race is going to be the Cheq 100 next weekend It may not be fast, but at least it will be pretty.

    Dos Niner Frame
    Cane Creek 110 headset
    Salsa Promoto carbon flat bar w 5 deg bend
    Salsa Promoto TI stem
    SRAM X0 trigger shifters
    SRAM X0 rear derailer
    SRAM X9 front derailer
    Reba Race SL 80mm fork w remote lockout
    Truvativ Noir crankset
    Avid CR Mag brakes
    SRAM PG990 cassette
    Salsa Shaft seatpost
    Specialized Henge saddle
    Ergon GX2 grips

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4605385794/" title="IMG_1242 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/4605385794_701c685f2e_b.jpg" width="1024" height="607" alt="IMG_1242" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4605385596/" title="IMG_1244 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4605385596_d459172ceb_b.jpg" width="1024" height="552" alt="IMG_1244" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4604772207/" title="IMG_1243 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/4604772207_0bbb4e51d5_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="IMG_1243" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfuller
    I have been waiting since November of 2009 to be able to post these. Other than grips, and the final wheelset (Flows laced to 240S hubs), my Dos Niner is *FINALLY* complete. Break in race is going to be the Cheq 100 next weekend It may not be fast, but at least it will be pretty.

    Dos Niner Frame
    Cane Creek 110 headset
    Salsa Promoto carbon flat bar w 5 deg bend
    Salsa Promoto TI stem
    SRAM X0 trigger shifters
    SRAM X0 rear derailer
    SRAM X9 front derailer
    Reba Race SL 80mm fork w remote lockout
    Truvativ Noir crankset
    Avid CR Mag brakes
    SRAM PG990 cassette
    Salsa Shaft seatpost
    Specialized Henge saddle
    Ergon GX2 grips

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4605385794/" title="IMG_1242 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/4605385794_701c685f2e_b.jpg" width="1024" height="607" alt="IMG_1242" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4605385596/" title="IMG_1244 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4605385596_d459172ceb_b.jpg" width="1024" height="552" alt="IMG_1244" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenbiking/4604772207/" title="IMG_1243 by S.Fuller, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/4604772207_0bbb4e51d5_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="IMG_1243" /></a>

    Beautiful build! WOW, love the orange throughout. Great job.
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    Nice!

    Might you be tempted by these?
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    Ooooh. Shiny bits!!!!

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    Steve - That's a sweet looking bowl of Salsa. Well done!

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    Rode my new 09 Dos for the first time last night. Coming off a Niner MCR.

    WOW! It climbs about the same as the Niner, but that lil bit of cush in the rear makes such a hug difference on the bumps and descending! I am absolutely faster descending on this bike. It's pretty much everything I expected and a bit more.

    Just the frame switch shave a lb+ of the overall bike. Feels light. Going to be adding ghetto tubeless, gripshifts, 990 cass, and maybe some brakes to lighten up and tweak it a tad.

    Current build;
    09 M Dos Niner
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    X0 RD
    XTR FD
    Truvativ Stylo Cranks
    X0 Shifters
    Juicy 7 Brakes
    Thomson Stem & SP
    Easton Monkeylite Bar

    FWIW I found this frame new for $399 + shipping. If anyone is interested knowing where, PM me and I'll give you the link. They have no Large, not sure about other sizes. I am not affiliated with the shop.
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    Congrats on the orange build above, looks sweet! Big regret fro me in life is npt getting one of them while they were available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hud
    Congrats on the orange build above, looks sweet! Big regret fro me in life is npt getting one of them while they were available.
    I got lucky when I found this one in my size. I could have worked with silver too, but this matches my La Cruz a lot better. The bike treated me pretty well during this weekend's Cheq 100. My first bike with suspension on it, so I spent a good portion of the event just getting used to how the bike and fork felt when in use.

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    An update on my Dos Niner experience - I did a couple races with it and really got along with it well. Hard to beat as a cross country racer. Did 18 hours of Fruita solo, nice bike for that course. A new section was pretty bumpy - the softail really helped through there as the hardtail guys were standing and pedaling SS style, I could ride on the seat for some of it and conserve when I needed to. That course is really winding and rolling around a small reservoir, really brings out the carving ability in these bikes. 5th out of 10, and on the same lap as 3rd and 4th (though 3rd coulda kept going at least 1 more!). Raced a sprinty 1.5 hour xc race in Colorado Springs too, perfect for that as well, some bumps and drops and a lot of rolls in the course (1700' of rolls!), and it was nice to ride there, 3rd/22 in the sport men 40-49 class.

    The interesting data I have is the "insurance ride", a ride I take up a steep climb near the house. Out of 25 previous attempts over 4 years on a <27lb Yeti 575, I beat it first try on this < 24lb Salsa riding the same 1 hour 15min that I always do. By 4/10ths of a mile! This is a 1st and 2nd gear climb, very steep gravel fireroad out of Palmer Lake, CO. And I am not in climbing shape, I am in fruita 18 hour endurance shape, so there is more there. Not apples to apples due to the bike weight at least, but stil interesting to see that 29ers can go up super steep 4mph climbs just fine and quite fast.

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    Made some changes to my Dos Niner to get it more responsive.

    I replaced the Racing Ralphs with Kenda Karmas and installed a 120mm -5deg stem. The longer stem balanced my weight over the bike better and stretched me out in a way I like. On descents I have to take an aggressive stance and there's actually risk that I'll endo now, but I feel much more in control of the bike overall. Cornering is more confident with more weight on the front wheel.

    It seems like balancing over the tires is more important than tread now, so I'll probably switch to some Bontranger Fast Trak LT 2Bliss tires I picked up cheap after this weekend's race. The handling is more nimble and the bike is about 23.5 pounds, size XL.

    I tried to put back a Selle Italia SLR saddle but it was just too brutal for me, totally killed my back. I have the Trans Am XO Special Edition and I'm looking to get the Flite XC Gel (I prefer a taint hole ).
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