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    Attention: 2012 Salsa Horsethief owners

    Please help out your fellow Horsethief candidates by posting your basic body measurements and frame size that you are using. There are a few of us who are in-between sizes and are having difficulty making a determination as to what size would serve best.

    I would have purchased the Horsethief already if it werenít for the sizing conflicts. At 5í8 and some change Iím right in between a small and medium. Salsa was helpful but gave the scripted answer to always round down when in-between. My BG fit guy compared my body and bike measurements with the published ones from Salsa. He recommends a small.

    The fit program at Competitive Cyclists was used to make a self-calculation that I actually need a medium. I also had a conversation with a guy who rides a medium who is about the same size I am. He said that the small was way too small for him and strongly recommends that I get a medium.

    So please share you sizing experience.

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    Salsa publish the reach and stack heights for their bikes, so its very easy to compare those numbers for the theif against a bike you own or have test ridden.
    I own a Surly, a Surly, a Surly and a Salsa. Probably some others in there too at the bottom of the pile.

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    I agree with the previous post. Find some bikes near you with similar geo to the 'Thief and compare. I'm 5'7" with a 31 inseam and I ride a small Horsethief.

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    Thanks guys,

    Dickyelsdon,
    I donít really know what a reach or stack height is but I've spent a lot of time on the salsa site. Even had my pro fit guy look at it with me. The salsa's are sized larger than any others that I know of. My guy assured me that I would be in a med until he looked at the measurements. Then he changed his mind.

    Hi Progfan1,
    Do you think that if you were an inch taller in height/inseam that the small would still be okay? I'm trying to find similar geometry but that's no easy task!

    There arenít any salsa dealers within hours of me but I'm traveling this week and intend to seek out a salsa dealer if at anyway possible.

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    Trophy,

    That's a tough question, because I remember demo'ing a Spearfish last summer and the cockpit on a medium with a short stem felt good, but I ended up riding a small with a 100mm stem, mainly because the stand over felt a little better. For the 'Thief, I'm not sure. The cockpit feels just right for where I am now. That being said, I like being a little more stretched out and over the bike, so maybe a medium would feel ok too. I sized down because, as an earlier poster said, Salsas are big bikes, so I went with small because I wanted to have good maneuverability on a bike that I know has a longer wheelbase. For cockpit size, I could probably go either way, but I'm glad I sized down in favor of maneuverability since this is a bigger bike and my first 29er.

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    Glad your fit worked for you. I know I'm being overly careful but this will be my first "new" bike in over 20 years! All of my others came from Craigslist etc..

    I hope to actually saddle-up a comparable demo this week while out of town.

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    Trophy - a lot of the difference in the sizing will have to do with how you prefer a bike to fit. I am 5' 8"+ and like the Medium. I CAN ride a Small, but it feels a bit small for me. A buddy of mine is only an inch taller than me and he likes the Large - he tends to ride his bikes a bit bigger... So - find a dealer that has both if you can, ride them and get the one that you feel best on. The 'Thief is a great ride.
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    Another thing to consider when choosing a Horsethief size is how the bike was intended to be ridden, and how you want to ride it. The bike was designed with slightly longer top tube lengths with the intention of using a short stem and a wide bar - but maintaining constant fit compared to other Salsa models

    Take a medium for example:
    Spearfish TT = 600mm, stem = 100mm
    Horsethief = 615mm, stem =80mm

    For a quick comparison without busting out the calculator, lets ignore stem angle and saddle position and generalize on TT and Stem length: The Spearfish is about 700mm long and the Horsethief is 695mm. So both medium bikes fit about the same, (if using the intended stem length), but will feel different in ride character due to the weight bias, and also the way the front wheel steers due to the shorter stem. Longer stems tend to steer with mode torso/shoulder sway, more input, where as shorter stems less so. It's one part of the difference between an trail/AM feel of the Horsethief and a more race/XC feel of the Spearfish. One isn't better than the other, it's just a difference in feel, preference, and what's better for the intended use.

    All this considered, one could still put a 100mm stem on a SM Horsethief and get an approximate length of 690mm and have a bike with a weight bias more like a medium Spearfish due to the longer stem, but with slacker angles and more travel. Putting the same 100mm stem on medium Horsethief frame would make it fit and weighted more like a large Spearfish.

    If it helps, I'm 6'0" and consider myself at the very upper end of the MD, which I ride with a 140mm fork, 80mm stem, and 750mm wide bar, and consider it my ride anytime/anywhere bike, but with a bias for descending. With a lighter wheelset and a 120mm fork, it's great even on XC trails - but I don't change stem length.

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    Very nice post zarf. Great explanation and comparison. Thanks for sharing that...

    ATBScott, thank you also, I'll keep that in mind.

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    at 5' 10.5" (in socks), I consider myself a tweener on the M and L . I just ordered the M on Tues -- ships today. (knowng Zarf is 6-foot and is on a M is nice). I sat down and ran the ETT + Stem on all the bikes I had recently tried. It definitely came back closer to the M. I will give a thorough review once it gets here and Ive built it up. Not sure that will be in time for you. Nice thing is you can track the Ms and Ss on the UC site. I let it go down to the last L left before I made my decision. Within about 3 hours of going for the M, the last L was gone.

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    at 5' 10.5" (in socks), I consider myself a tweener on the M and L . I just ordered the M on Tues -- ships today. (knowng Zarf is 6-foot and is on a M is nice). I sat down and ran the ETT + Stem on all the bikes I had recently tried. It definitely came back closer to the M. I will give a thorough review once it gets here and Ive built it up. Not sure that will be in time for you. Nice thing is you can track the Ms and Ss on the UC site. I let it go down to the last L left before I made my decision. Within about 3 hours of going for the M, the last L was gone.

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    5' 10" and ride a Med. HT. Fits perfect with the stock stem and the seat just a smidge forward of center on its rails.

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    Here she is!

    Freshly built-up this weekend. Took about an hour to pop on the bars, pedals, wheels, change out the seat, and adjust the sag.

    I am 5'10.5", this is the medium, and it was definitely the right choice.I rode it around inside the community center near my house so I didnt get the tires dirty in case I needed to send it back. Felt great, so I took it outside and popped the cherry.

    No question -- I am at the far upper end of the M. I could ride the L, but I prefer a slightly smaller ride, especially as I havent ridden a 29er much. This definitely feels much larger than my brother's 17.5" Trek/GF Hi-Fi. I'd say I have at least 1 - 1.5 more inches between my knees and my hands on the Thief than on the Hi-Fi. The 17.5" Hi-Fi was too small for me. This will be just right.
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    Glad you found the right fit. Let us know how you like it after a few rides.

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    I hope I am not repeating anything that has already been stated but the Salsa sizing is throwing me off. I am 6'0 and currently ride a LG 19" Mojo HD that has an ETT of 604mm. I run a 70mm stem on it. When trying to decide what size Horsethief to get I see that the LG is a 20" and has an ETT of 638 and the MD is 18" and has an ETT of 618 which is still longer than my LG Mojo. Its surprising to me that these have such long top tubes. Any help explaining the sizing and helping me decide between a large and a medium will be greatly appreciated.

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    As an earlier poster mentioned, the 'Thief is designed with a long top tube to be run with a short stem and wide bars. My small came with a stock 80mm stem and it feels great for me. Not sure what the stem size is on the larger sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nate3510 View Post
    I hope I am not repeating anything that has already been stated but the Salsa sizing is throwing me off. I am 6'0 and currently ride a LG 19" Mojo HD that has an ETT of 604mm. I run a 70mm stem on it. When trying to decide what size Horsethief to get I see that the LG is a 20" and has an ETT of 638 and the MD is 18" and has an ETT of 618 which is still longer than my LG Mojo. Its surprising to me that these have such long top tubes. Any help explaining the sizing and helping me decide between a large and a medium will be greatly appreciated.
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    Yes but if I get a large Thief and run a 50mm stem I will still be streached out more than on my large HD with a 70mm stem. Are people buying a size smaller than they normally ride?

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    Nate3510 - You should be on a medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    Nate3510 - You should be on a medium.

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    Thank you for the reply!!!

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    Hi Zarf! I also need advice on sizing. Im around 5'7 with a 30-31" inseam. I ride a medium Fargo with a 100mm stem & a medium Surly Karate Monkey with an 80mm stem. A Spearfish 3 caught my eye in my local bike shop. Its a medium & based on Salsa's info, it has the same ETT as my KM so if i swap out the stock 90(?)mm stem with an 80 or even a 70, it will feel like my KM. I also recently saw a Horsethief & im also interested but its sizing is different.. Numbers are saying i should go for a small.

    What size should i go for if get the Spearfish? Horsethief?

    Edit: Sorry for Spearfish question on Horsethief thread.

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    You could get by with a MD Spearfish, but check the standover first, if it's not to your liking, round down to the SM size.

    Horsethief - definately a SM

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    Thanks! I appreciate the advice!

    I have no problem with the medium Spearfish standover but i havent tried a Horsethief yet. I'll drop by my lbs to check one out.

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    nordstern1,

    What Zarf said. I'm basically the same measurements as you and I felt good on a medium Spearfish with a short stem, but I elected to take a small out for demo that day because the standover felt better. I went with the small Horsethief and have no regrets.


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    Thanks for the input, progfan1! Nice looking bike! I hope to come to a decision within the week.

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    Zarf-Reading the above comments would you say a large horsethief is out of the question for a 6'0 rider? Or would it come down to how you ride of your general riding preference pertaining to size? Reason I ask is I have a smokin hot deal on a large 2012 and would really like to get it but ran across this after doing some research on the Horsethief and dont want to waste my money if its too big.

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    Here is mine I built up recently, I am 6'3, 34" leg, its a Large with a 50mm stem and I like it so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlruk View Post
    Here is mine I built up recently, I am 6'3, 34" leg, its a Large with a 50mm stem and I like it so far

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    nice looking bike im thinking of getting one but cant make up my mind what size to get,im 6 foot 3, and 35 inseam could you measure from the top of the seat to the top of pedal and also measure how much seat post you got stuck out the frame please. matt

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    Here you are. They are quite long in both top tube and wheelbase, with a XL and 22" seat tube you might struggle with a dropper post, mines a large 20" and not can't lower the reverb much. It is a long one though, shed load in the frame, still had an inch to max height on my old 18" frame

    Anyway, yellow line seat post up to centre of rails 22.7cm, green centre of axle to top of saddle 62.5cm, red line centre of axle to centre of rails 56cm

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    6', 205 and I ride a L with a 50mm stem. Personally I tried out a M for a few days and felt like I was much too big for it. The TT does not seem that long and I knew I wanted to upgrade to a shorter stem because I have always preferred them. The large fits me like a glove. I come from a DH/FR background and always rode a M, but I knew I wanted something that would not only descend, but be comfortable all day.

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    At 6'0" you are right at the top end of on a medium and bottom of the large. I'm also 6' and choose to ride the medium for two reasons - shorter wheelbase and slightly lighter. But the large could work too. Could also depend on your proportions. If you have a below average torso length or reach, I would advise holding out for a medium.

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    Something most people don't take into account is the gear they wear when riding. I stand 6' 1" with my riding shoes on and that makes a big difference when picking sizes, along with your build. Much more of a difference than an unnoticeable 7oz in weight and 5/8" of wheelbase.

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    @Zarf and the other Horsey fans on here...

    What size 2013 HT 1 would you recommend for me? Based on the stats, I'm 99.99% certain I'd need a Large, but I guess I'd feel "mo betta" with others confirming that for me.

    I'm about 6'1.5" tall. My natural inseam is about 34 - 34.5". I currently ride a hardtail 29er. It's a Giant in size XL. The ETT measurement on my Giant is right at 25". I run a 75 mm/17 degree stem, with a 711 mm low-rise bar.

    What do you think? According to the size measurements on Salsa's web site, it sounds like a Large HT would be about right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshoe70 View Post
    @Zarf and the other Horsey fans on here...

    What size 2013 HT 1 would you recommend for me? Based on the stats, I'm 99.99% certain I'd need a Large, but I guess I'd feel "mo betta" with others confirming that for me.

    I'm about 6'1.5" tall. My natural inseam is about 34 - 34.5". I currently ride a hardtail 29er. It's a Giant in size XL. The ETT measurement on my Giant is right at 25". I run a 75 mm/17 degree stem, with a 711 mm low-rise bar.

    What do you think? According to the size measurements on Salsa's web site, it sounds like a Large HT would be about right?
    I am 5'11, 32" inseam and went with a Medium. It feels right everywhere except maybe ETT, where I could use a little extra length at times. Granted, this is my first bike in 20 years, so I'm used to 8000mm stems...

    I would guess a large is what you would need as well. You have already looked at the geo charts on the web site...they tend to run about 1 size bigger than giants (what I test rode before getting the HT)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowlybutsurly View Post
    What size should i go for if get the Spearfish? Horsethief?

    Edit: Sorry for Spearfish question on Horsethief thread.
    If you still are curious, I am 5' 10" have a 31.5" inseam and weigh 155 lbs. I purchased a Medium 2012 Spearfish 2 and it is the perfect fit. I have also borrowed a Medium Horsethief and it fit just as nicely (but the bike felt a bit too heavy for my liking).

    Hope that helps.

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    5'7 here and I ride a med Horsethief and a med Fargo, I was also riding a med Epic 29er prior to the Horsethief and I feel like the bike fits perfect I am running a Thompson X4 80 mm zero rise and Answer Carbon Low rise bars. I honestly didn't look at a sizing chart I went medium cause that's what I always ride.
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    Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but I'm having the same dilema.

    I'm looking at a '13 HT ,and not sure if I'm a small or medium. Looking at their chart I'm right on the edge.

    I'm 5'9 with a 31" inseam. I was going to go Medium, but the one I want is sold out and it's either S or L.

    S = 5'5-5'9
    M= 5'8-6'0

    I looked at the specs, and compared them to the 17.5" Trek I ride now. The ETT on the Trek is about .75" shorter than the S HT, and the reach looks to be about the same. I'm having a hard time finding the published specs on the Trek to reallmpare.

    Anyone have any imput on which way to go?

    Seeing 6'0 guys on this thread liking Mediums make me think at 5'9 I'd be okay on the small, esp as these are supposed to be bigger bikes.

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    I'd say that it is very possible that a small could fit you comfortably, but the only way to know is to take the bike for a spin in person. You could always put a slightly longer stem on the small if it feels too compact.

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    I'm 5'7" and ride a small 'Thief. It feels just on the edge of being too small sometimes, but because it's kind of a big bike and was my first 29er, I decided to size down for ease of handling. In terms of cockpit feel, I could probably ride a medium with no problem. I would say that, at 5'9", you would definitely need a longer stem or setback seatpost on a small.
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    Im 5'11" and the 2012 medium fits me perfectly. I bet the S would be good with a couple slight mods if necessary.

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    Thanks for the info everyone!

    I wish I could ride one or the other to see, but there are none available locally.

    I'm taking a chance going with one without riding, and it looks like sizing will be a gamble too.
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    When looking at sizing, is the ETT the main thing to worry about?

    And how is that measured? I started the tape measure at the center of the HT and measured a straight line to the center of the seat post. Is this correct?

    And would a smaller frame have a chance of toe overlap? I'm starting to warm to the small as it has 1" shorter wheelbase.

    My other dilemma is that while the HT1 is specced great, the 2 is 700 cheaper and I REALLY dig the color. Blue has always been my favorite color.
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    If you must get a 'Thief, I would take the time to get the sizing right, even if you have to pay a little more for it somewhere else. Have you written to Salsa? It seems to me like you need a medium. My small feels just on the edge for me and I'm 2 in. shorter than you. There are a lot of good 2013 closeout deals on other bikes comparable to the 'Thief in geo, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progfan1 View Post
    If you must get a 'Thief, I would take the time to get the sizing right, even if you have to pay a little more for it somewhere else. Have you written to Salsa? It seems to me like you need a medium. My small feels just on the edge for me and I'm 2 in. shorter than you. There are a lot of good 2013 closeout deals on other bikes comparable to the 'Thief in geo, etc.
    Thanks for the input on the sizing.

    I've looked at a bunch of LBS's, but nobody really has any great deals right now. Everything is just a few hundred bucks off, and on bikes I'm not that into. I can get a '13 Camber Comp or a Fuel EX for right around 2k, but they're pretty low end bikes, relatively speaking, and 2k is a lot of money to me.

    Maybe because mtb is popular, but not hugea, around here. Three of the shops I went to didn't even carry any FS bikes, and one other only had 2 in stock, and one was a demo.

    The HT's are on crazy discount because not only are they '13's, they're also the old frame design. The HT1 is on sale for $2,299. This had an original MSRP of over 4k. The HT2 is on sale for $1,600, and that was around 3,200 MSRP. These are crazy good deals, I can get way more bike for my money here than the typical X5/Recon/Elixer 1 bikes I'm seeing in that price range. Shoot, that's less than a Spesh with X5/Alivio and Suntour fork. Plus I can save the 100 and something I'd spend on sales tax at that price. I see lifetime tuneups mentioned a lot as a reason to go to an LBS, but shops around here don't offer squat in that regard. One free tuneup in the first 6 months is the standard offering. That's not much o a value-add to me.

    And I agree with you, I'd probably feel better on a Medium. Better safe than sorry, and the M would prob be easier to sell later on if ever want to sell it.

    So getting a M meant the HT2, and I'm good with that. The White Brothers fork seems to get good reviews, and I really like the blue & white color combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuntmanMike View Post
    Thanks for the input on the sizing.

    I've looked at a bunch of LBS's, but nobody really has any great deals right now. Everything is just a few hundred bucks off, and on bikes I'm not that into. I can get a '13 Camber Comp or a Fuel EX for right around 2k, but they're pretty low end bikes, relatively speaking, and 2k is a lot of money to me.

    Maybe because mtb is popular, but not hugea, around here. Three of the shops I went to didn't even carry any FS bikes, and one other only had 2 in stock, and one was a demo.

    The HT's are on crazy discount because not only are they '13's, they're also the old frame design. The HT1 is on sale for $2,299. This had an original MSRP of over 4k. The HT2 is on sale for $1,600, and that was around 3,200 MSRP. These are crazy good deals, I can get way more bike for my money here than the typical X5/Recon/Elixer 1 bikes I'm seeing in that price range. Shoot, that's less than a Spesh with X5/Alivio and Suntour fork. Plus I can save the 100 and something I'd spend on sales tax at that price. I see lifetime tuneups mentioned a lot as a reason to go to an LBS, but shops around here don't offer squat in that regard. One free tuneup in the first 6 months is the standard offering. That's not much o a value-add to me.

    And I agree with you, I'd probably feel better on a Medium. Better safe than sorry, and the M would prob be easier to sell later on if ever want to sell it.

    So getting a M meant the HT2, and I'm good with that. The White Brothers fork seems to get good reviews, and I really like the blue & white color combo.
    I've been eyeballing 13' Thiefs lately, too. Really good deals on them right now from both Tree Fort and UC. All the mediums, at level 1, are gone though. I would need a large anyway, and they're still available. But, if you think you'd be better off on a medium, rather than a small, then I wouldn't chance getting a small and trying to make it work. Settle for a Thief 2 or 3 instead, if you can still get one of them in size medium, or look for a different bike all together. No point in getting what you really want, if it isn't totally right for you. Sometimes you just got to bite the bullet, and say "oh well."

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuntmanMike View Post
    Thanks for the input on the sizing.

    I've looked at a bunch of LBS's, but nobody really has any great deals right now. Everything is just a few hundred bucks off, and on bikes I'm not that into. I can get a '13 Camber Comp or a Fuel EX for right around 2k, but they're pretty low end bikes, relatively speaking, and 2k is a lot of money to me.

    Maybe because mtb is popular, but not hugea, around here. Three of the shops I went to didn't even carry any FS bikes, and one other only had 2 in stock, and one was a demo.

    The HT's are on crazy discount because not only are they '13's, they're also the old frame design. The HT1 is on sale for $2,299. This had an original MSRP of over 4k. The HT2 is on sale for $1,600, and that was around 3,200 MSRP. These are crazy good deals, I can get way more bike for my money here than the typical X5/Recon/Elixer 1 bikes I'm seeing in that price range. Shoot, that's less than a Spesh with X5/Alivio and Suntour fork. Plus I can save the 100 and something I'd spend on sales tax at that price. I see lifetime tuneups mentioned a lot as a reason to go to an LBS, but shops around here don't offer squat in that regard. One free tuneup in the first 6 months is the standard offering. That's not much o a value-add to me.

    And I agree with you, I'd probably feel better on a Medium. Better safe than sorry, and the M would prob be easier to sell later on if ever want to sell it.

    So getting a M meant the HT2, and I'm good with that. The White Brothers fork seems to get good reviews, and I really like the blue & white color combo.
    One other thing... Bike tune-ups/maintenance perks wouldn't even influence my decision at all. If you need a bike tune-up, which should be not very often if you take care of it on your own, then spend $75 or so and take it to any LBS and have it done if/when needed. I would much rather save 50% on a new bike, and get it online, than have an LBS tell me they'll give me a few free tune-ups if I pay full price from them. Such is life in a fiercely competitive, free-market society...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshoe70 View Post
    I've been eyeballing 13' Thiefs lately, too. Really good deals on them right now from both Tree Fort and UC. All the mediums, at level 1, are gone though. I would need a large anyway, and they're still available. But, if you think you'd be better off on a medium, rather than a small, then I wouldn't chance getting a small and trying to make it work. Settle for a Thief 2 or 3 instead, if you can still get one of them in size medium, or look for a different bike all together. No point in getting what you really want, if it isn't totally right for you. Sometimes you just got to bite the bullet, and say "oh well."
    Thanks for the response. You're right, I rather get the one that is sure to fit than risk it being too small. I'm sure I could send it back, but that's a pain and with my luck the M HT2's would be gone in the meantime.

    I'll prob buy from Tree Fort. Last time I looked UC was about 400 higher on both.

    I wouldn't wait too long on that 1 though! I posted in another forum, and everyone told me to jump on the 1 at that price. Looking at the parts, it's like getting the frame for free.

    I've decided to go with the 2. I really like the color, and for 1600, it's spec'd to kill. I feel like other than the dropper, some of the stuff on the 1 is more like jewelry that might not necessarily effect the riding enjoyment.

    I'll have plenty of money left to eventually upgrade to SLX or XT brakes and add a Reverb when I feel like I've gotten into the type of riding where I need it.

    And I agree with you about the tuneup thing. I'd rather do it myself anyway.
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    I just spoke to someone at Salsa. After asking about my riding style, local terrain, and size, he recommended the small, with the disclaimer that the best way to really tell is to throw a leg over the 2. Since that's not an option, I'll take his advice.

    I measured the ETT, and on the Small HT it's 23.3". On my 17.5" Trek HT, it's 22.5", and has 100mm stem.

    I feel fine on the Trek, and with a 80mm stem I'll be right about the same on the Salsa.

    I think the Small will be nimbler, and the 1" shorter wheelbase should help with the tight trails around here. If I find I need a bit more stretch I can go with a setback seatpost, or even just move it back a bit on the rails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuntmanMike View Post
    Thanks for the input on the sizing.

    I've looked at a bunch of LBS's, but nobody really has any great deals right now. Everything is just a few hundred bucks off, and on bikes I'm not that into. I can get a '13 Camber Comp or a Fuel EX for right around 2k, but they're pretty low end bikes, relatively speaking, and 2k is a lot of money to me.

    Maybe because mtb is popular, but not hugea, around here. Three of the shops I went to didn't even carry any FS bikes, and one other only had 2 in stock, and one was a demo.

    The HT's are on crazy discount because not only are they '13's, they're also the old frame design. The HT1 is on sale for $2,299. This had an original MSRP of over 4k. The HT2 is on sale for $1,600, and that was around 3,200 MSRP. These are crazy good deals, I can get way more bike for my money here than the typical X5/Recon/Elixer 1 bikes I'm seeing in that price range. Shoot, that's less than a Spesh with X5/Alivio and Suntour fork. Plus I can save the 100 and something I'd spend on sales tax at that price. I see lifetime tuneups mentioned a lot as a reason to go to an LBS, but shops around here don't offer squat in that regard. One free tuneup in the first 6 months is the standard offering. That's not much o a value-add to me.

    And I agree with you, I'd probably feel better on a Medium. Better safe than sorry, and the M would prob be easier to sell later on if ever want to sell it.

    So getting a M meant the HT2, and I'm good with that. The White Brothers fork seems to get good reviews, and I really like the blue & white color combo.
    This is how I got my '12 HT this time last year. For the components the deals are just to good to pass on if you need a new bike.
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