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    2017 Salsa bikes

    Any word yet on next years Salsa's?

    My wish list is a 29+ Spearfish.

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    Hmmm...I started to type something out, but honestly, the things on my '2017 wishlist' for Salsa already have, or are about to be released, by Advocate - the Hayduke already is what the El Mar should have become a year or two ago (and probably will), a boosted version of a Fargo-esque bike (soon to be released) and a gravel bike made with a good steel frame/carbon fork (the Lorax). And a couple other things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Hmmm...I started to type something out, but honestly, the things on my '2017 wishlist' for Salsa already have, or are about to be released, by Advocate - the Hayduke already is what the El Mar should have become a year or two ago (and probably will), a boosted version of a Fargo-esque bike (soon to be released) and a gravel bike made with a good steel frame/carbon fork (the Lorax). And a couple other things...
    Well, hopefully not a boosted Cutty with a threaded BB. I have just bought the 2016 one

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    My LBS hinted at a short travel 29+. Guess we'll see soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach417 View Post
    My LBS hinted at a short travel 29+. Guess we'll see soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Woodsmoke 29+
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    Woodsmoke a replacement for the Deadwood? Looking at possibly picking up a Deadwood but might wait and see what else is coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Woodsmoke a replacement for the Deadwood? Looking at possibly picking up a Deadwood but might wait and see what else is coming.
    I think all of the Deadwoods are sold out, including frames. If they're going to make another 29+ bike, it probably won't be a rigid drop bar bike.

    On another note, how does anybody know anything? Where are these names coming from? Both Woodsmoke and Timberjack sounds like Salsa names, but I can't tell if this is a joke or they have some insider information...
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    Those names are real.

    There is also a new Alternator dropout that will allow for changes in wheel size without screwing up bb height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Those names are real.

    There is also a new Alternator dropout that will allow for changes in wheel size without screwing up bb height.
    But, why/how do you know? I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buell View Post
    But, why/how do you know? I don't get it.
    How do you think? Lots of people on the forum work in the industry in many capacities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    How do you think? Lots of people on the forum work in the industry in many capacities.
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    I've seen rumors that the Vaya is going away. I'd really like a 57cm frame, but frames and completes appear all sold out. Any word on the future of the Vaya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I've seen rumors that the Vaya is going away. I'd really like a 57cm frame, but frames and completes appear all sold out. Any word on the future of the Vaya?
    Vaya is not going away. Not this year, anyway. No idea on sizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Vaya is not going away. Not this year, anyway. No idea on sizing.
    Awesome, thanks! Now I just need to be patient until the 2017s are available...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Awesome, thanks! Now I just need to be patient until the 2017s are available...
    I hope that whatever they come out with will actually be available to buy.
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    If this thread's staying on the first page can we get a mod to delete that apostrophe?
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    these names are great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Vaya is not going away. Not this year, anyway. No idea on sizing.
    And the El Mar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    And the El Mar?
    I don't remember, honestly.

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    The Woodsmoke sounds pretty interesting...
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    Is the Timberjack 27.5 or 27.5+? I wonder what it might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Is the Timberjack 27.5 or 27.5+? I wonder what it might be.
    My guess is a boosted 27+ hardtail to replace the El Mar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    My guess is a boosted 27+ hardtail to replace the El Mar.
    Yes, I'd be surprised if there's no hardtail in the range. When's the official launch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Yes, I'd be surprised if there's no hardtail in the range. When's the official launch?
    Probably at Saddle Drive, July 24-30th
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    Anyone know what the Woodsmoke 29+ will be? I'd guess a hardtail flat-bar trail bike with somewhere between 120-140mm of front travel?
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    good guess. I know they are going to have a 27+ sus hardtail. Confirmed today.

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    Don't know how accurate, but the 29+ my LBS was talking about was a short travel FS. By the way, they don't sell many QBP bikes, but sell more S brand and Giants than any shop in the SE USA. I do hope they are right tho. Also, would love a 29+ El Mariachi type HT. Just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach417 View Post
    Don't know how accurate, but the 29+ my LBS was talking about was a short travel FS. By the way, they don't sell many QBP bikes, but sell more S brand and Giants than any shop in the SE USA. I do hope they are right tho. Also, would love a 29+ El Mariachi type HT. Just sayin'
    I don't recall that. I do remember a 29+ HT as well as a 27+ ht, but my memory gets fuzzier on it the farther out we get from the half hour I got to look at the catalog. I don't remember any NEW FS bikes. Redpoint 26+, Pony Rustler 27+, Spearfish, Horsethief, and Bucksaw 4" are the FS bikes, and they were all older models, or already announced.

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    no new FS bikes, just the hardtails and updates to the rest of the line up (and some fat bike stuff)

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    Quote Originally Posted by buell View Post
    Anyone know what the Woodsmoke 29+ will be? I'd guess a hardtail flat-bar trail bike with somewhere between 120-140mm of front travel?
    Man I hope your right! Could it be where all the OEM Pike 29+ forks are going...........?
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    That's a pretty expensive fork--my guess is Fox 34. Maybe if they do a top level version it would have a Pike.
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    No Fox, just Pike, Yari, and Recon

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    No Fox, just Pike, Yari, and Recon
    Cool. The Yari is a good fork for the use and money when shopping a pike style bike. The Recon is max 120 travel, right? Maybe they put a sektor on instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parenzo View Post
    Well, hopefully not a boosted Cutty with a threaded BB. I have just bought the 2016 one
    same here.

    I gotta say, having stuck the 30mm internal diameter Roval Traverse carbons on my Cuttie with 2.3" tires, I think a 29+ Cutthroat/Deadwood combo would be pretty awesome
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    Not sure if previously mentioned, but i have heard these new bikes are carbon/aluminum only.

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    Time to move to sequoia or rlt 9 steel then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop01 View Post
    Not sure if previously mentioned, but i have heard these new bikes are carbon/aluminum only.
    I'd be surprised if the El Mar replacement (if it exists) doesn't come in steel rather than aluminium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    I'd be surprised if the El Mar replacement (if it exists) doesn't come in steel rather than aluminium.
    All i heard about were the two bikes mentioned a few weeks ago. Neither appears to be steel and i think the mariachi is dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsukurac View Post
    Time to move to sequoia or rlt 9 steel then...
    not saying those are bad choices, but I would be absolutely amazed if they discontinued both the Fargo and the Vaya (or changed these steel-only beasts into carbon or aluminum)
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    Maybe they are trying to leverage Surly more as the "go-to brand for steel?"

    Regardless, that's a shame. I have little interest in gravel or bikepacking bikes with aluminum or carbon frames.
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    I ws only referring to the new models... No news on Fargo or other current models losing steel except that the mariachi is done

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    Fargo, Vaya, Marakesh, and Powderkeg are the only steel bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    There is also a new Alternator dropout that will allow for changes in wheel size without screwing up bb height.

    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    2017 sees the Fargo get boost spacing and the ability to run 27+/29/29+. They basically tweaked the geometry of the Deadwood and made it the default Fargo platform.
    Does it do this by swapping the new alternator dropouts in order to negate any bb drop?

    And what other differences are there between the Deadwood and the new Fargo? I imagine the Deadwood uses Cobra Kai while the Fargo uses Kung Fu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buell View Post
    And what other differences are there between the Deadwood and the new Fargo? I imagine the Deadwood uses Cobra Kai while the Fargo uses Kung Fu?
    Hopefully they made the geometry actually work with a 29+ wheel. I was not at all impressed with a few things on the Deadwood, and there was definitely room for improvement there in terms of geometry.

    I would be a bit surprised to see a Fargo that worked with all three wheel formats without some sort of compromises though. Perhaps if the wheel size is dictated by frame size, it would make sense that this would be the scheme for the Fargo going forward- That is, smaller sizes would work with 27.5+ and larger with 29+, with a swap of the Alternator to allow for geometry differences coming from a 29"er wheel. Making a small, or medium Fargo work for all three sizes would be a big compromise in my opinion, but maybe there is something there I don't know about that makes up for the discrepancies involved with switching to such disparate wheel diameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Hopefully they made the geometry actually work with a 29+ wheel. I was not at all impressed with a few things on the Deadwood, and there was definitely room for improvement there in terms of geometry.
    Could you please elaborate on what you didn't like?

    I read what you said on your site about "geometry gymnastics" but you are very vague/ambiguous. I compared the Deadwood geometry to the Fargo and do not see what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Hopefully they made the geometry actually work with a 29+ wheel. I was not at all impressed with a few things on the Deadwood, and there was definitely room for improvement there in terms of geometry.

    I would be a bit surprised to see a Fargo that worked with all three wheel formats without some sort of compromises though.
    Prepare to be semi-surprised and slightly less unimpressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    Prepare to be semi-surprised and slightly less unimpressed.
    Meh, we need something likeopen u.p. With salsa name on it. Do they produce something like that?

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    My wife needs a new bike, and she can ride my large Fargo just fine, and I kinda wish I had gone for a XL.
    The local LBS has an XL, so it seems like I just need to buy it, but if there are changes coming to the Fargo, I think would rather wait. When are the specs officially released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buell View Post
    Could you please elaborate on what you didn't like?
    The Deadwood I rode had a very......well, dead feeling front end, massive toe overlap, and essentially steered like a barge compared to other 29+ bikes I've tried. Thoroughly unimpressed.

    I've tried the same bike three different times on three different occasions, with the same result, so I am pretty sure I don't like it. YMMV
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    any updates on a possible 29plus hardtail kinda like the stache? when does any of this stuff come out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    The Deadwood I rode had a very......well, dead feeling front end, massive toe overlap, and essentially steered like a barge compared to other 29+ bikes I've tried. Thoroughly unimpressed.

    I've tried the same bike three different times on three different occasions, with the same result, so I am pretty sure I don't like it. YMMV
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    From what I've seen on your blog you are a tall guy. Massive toe overlap on a larger frame means it would be very noticeable for us shorter riders. I really love the idea of the Deadwood but I've never seen one live.

    Last year I was all pumped up for the Cannonade Beast of the East. Maybe it was the nostalgia factor of that name combined with appeal of the mid-fat concept. My LBS got one in and it rode like a dead fish. Completely unimpressive but it looked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Hopefully they made the geometry actually work with a 29+ wheel. I was not at all impressed with a few things on the Deadwood, and there was definitely room for improvement there in terms of geometry.

    I would be a bit surprised to see a Fargo that worked with all three wheel formats without some sort of compromises though. Perhaps if the wheel size is dictated by frame size, it would make sense that this would be the scheme for the Fargo going forward- That is, smaller sizes would work with 27.5+ and larger with 29+, with a swap of the Alternator to allow for geometry differences coming from a 29"er wheel. Making a small, or medium Fargo work for all three sizes would be a big compromise in my opinion, but maybe there is something there I don't know about that makes up for the discrepancies involved with switching to such disparate wheel diameters.
    wouldn't there need to be SOME type of bb adjustment in order to run a 27+ on the same frame as a 29+? I would think that would be an enormous difference in bb drop required, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtrobo View Post
    wouldn't there need to be SOME type of bb adjustment in order to run a 27+ on the same frame as a 29+? I would think that would be an enormous difference in bb drop required, no?
    That's definitely something I would think would be an issue that would make that idea difficult to pull off well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    That's definitely something I would think would be an issue that would make that idea difficult to pull off well.
    doesn't the Jones+ have one of those adjustable BBs? I can't remember if Santa Cruz is doing that with their 29/27+ "adjustables" or not. maybe i'm thinking of another manuf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
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    Well that sucks! I wish I had done a screen shot of the list!

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    How come I didn't get a threatening PM?? Do I have to leak my copy of the catalog to get into the cool kids club??

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    Anyone have any info on changes to the Horsethief/Pony Rustler?

    I'm debating buying a 16 HT vs. waiting for a 17.

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    any information on the 2017 Salsa Warbird Carbon bike or bikes would be appreciated. colors, build kits and if they might actually be available this year and not just an item # with no stock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    any information on the 2017 Salsa Warbird Carbon bike or bikes would be appreciated. colors, build kits and if they might actually be available this year and not just an item # with no stock.
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantTurd View Post
    I bought a carbon Warbird this year on closeout because they had overstock. Got it 40% off.
    Warbird is supposed to get fender mounts from what I heard

    As for the closeout/overstock, that is insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtrobo View Post
    Warbird is supposed to get fender mounts from what I heard
    Finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Finally.

    Seriously. Dunno why they wouldn't have then
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    Yes it's been dead silent on the Salsa Warbird front... Those bikes were rarer than hens teeth. I'd really like to see what's up for the new year's model; hopefully they made enough of them this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    How come I didn't get a threatening PM?? Do I have to leak my copy of the catalog to get into the cool kids club??
    Yes, I think that's what you need to do ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    EDIT: Information removed sure to a threatening PM I received from a Salsa employee.
    What's with Salsa threatening to sue folk?
    Who do they think they are, JK Rowling?

    I came on to see if there is any more info about the death of the El-Mar. Who does the news reports for saddledrive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    any information on the 2017 Salsa Warbird Carbon bike or bikes would be appreciated. colors, build kits and if they might actually be available this year and not just an item # with no stock.
    If you look at the new Salsa clothing that just came out, it changed form the 'black rasta' theme of the warbird to a new 'green rasta' theme s I would guess that is one of the new colors for the 2017 carbon warbird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firedfromthecircus View Post
    What's with Salsa threatening to sue folk?
    Who do they think they are, JK Rowling?

    I came on to see if there is any more info about the death of the El-Mar. Who does the news reports for saddledrive?
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    Looks like the new KM is closer to what everyone wanted outta the mariachi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop01 View Post
    Looks like the new KM is closer to what everyone wanted outta the mariachi.

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    Do you have a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Do you have a link?
    Theyre up on the Surly website

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    My Surly Krampus was stolen out of my apartment 4 days after returning from a 10 day bikepacking trip around central Oregon. I'm absolutely heart broken about it, but new wheels must spin on.

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    I'm looking to replace the krampus with a Fargo x9 front suspension but I'm also very interested to see what comes out later this week at Saddle Drive. I'm set on a drop bar mountain bike and hoping salsa has something sweet coming out in that category. Drop bar 29er/27.5x3"/26x4" with front suspension please please please...

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    I'm going to guess that the Fargo will be offered in two variations - a 27.5+ and a 29er. I don't believe either of them comes w/front sus, but we'll see.
    Do it however you want to do it. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop01 View Post
    Looks like the new KM is closer to what everyone wanted outta the mariachi.

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    The new KM is just knocking it outta the park!


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    Any news on the Woodsmoke and Timberjack?
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    Check rei.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop01 View Post
    Check rei.com
    Can't see anything there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    I'm going to guess that the Fargo will be offered in two variations - a 27.5+ and a 29er. I don't believe either of them comes w/front sus, but we'll see.
    Correct on two variants, one with a carbon fork and one with a steel fork.

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    Looks like they're in the process of updating them on their website. Vayas have new colors and more terrible builds and Marakeshes have new colors and the same terrible racks.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    the Vayas aren't terrible builds for the price, but they are obviously targeting a lower price point.

    Not a fan of Salsa's rack. Wife has one on her 2016 Fargo and I'm not a fan at all.
    just ride.

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    WTF is that woodsmoke?

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    woodsmoke = belt-drive ready?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    WTF is that woodsmoke?
    That's what I want to know. That back end is really strange.

    It also looks like the El Mar has been replaced with an aluminum framed bike. That's unfortunate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    That's what I want to know. That back end is really strange.


    Not exactly unique either.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    It also looks like the El Mar has been replaced with an aluminum framed bike. That's unfortunate.
    Yep. Just another alloy 29er.

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    The colors for the Warbird are tremendous. Every single scheme is great.
    He who dares....wins!

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    Looks like most of the stuff is priced very competitively.

    Deadwood is gone, but the Fargo is now compatible with 29+. I think you have to supply your own wheels though, if you want to go that route...

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    Salsa Timberjack or should I go with the Trek Stache 9? I am looking for the versatility that both of these bikes can add by having the interchangeable wheel sets. But why are people upset about alloy frames?

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    Cuz steel is real, bruh

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    Surprised and underwhelmed. Somebody wrote that and I believe it is accurate. El Mar replacement is meh. Cool you can run the belt drive on one model. A Rohloff belt would be cool.

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    I'd grab a Stache and afford myself the option of going 29 plus.

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    Looks like we're all trying to get to Salsa's website at once. Of interest to me is the new Mukluk. Now with 197mm rear spacing and carbon! I'm assuming it can run 5" tires on 100mm rims now but the overview page wasn't specific. Any ideas? Also does this mean the Blackborrow is gone (and there is an XL on clearance somewhere)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    The colors for the Warbird are tremendous. Every single scheme is great.
    That orange/red is real purdy. I wonder if they will actually be readily available this year - I had quite a frustrating experience trying to get one before.

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    Is a specific 27,5" Fargo really useful?

    Good idea to go one-by, but guys... 32x11 as a higer gear on 27,5"... seriously?

    for a $2,299 MSRP you can afford a 10-42 cassette, can't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    That orange/red is real purdy. I wonder if they will actually be readily available this year - I had quite a frustrating experience trying to get one before.
    Did you ever get a Warbird Carbon last year? I've never seen one in the wild...just online. I've got a RLT frame set on order right now. I was contemplating canceling and waiting on a 2017 Warbird Frame, but I don't know...I've been let down by Salsa too many times when it comes to schedules and release dates. I also love the new colors. They all look great. I wish they offered a Force 1 Hydro build with a 10-42.

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