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    2016 Warbirds Announced!

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    Dig the paint-jobs.
    They also announced a tandem 29er.

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    Finally, I can have the feel of riding on lower air pressures without bending all the way over to let air out.

    I feel bad for the people who bought the Ti models not knowing they'd be 6% crummier than aluminum
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    2016?
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    If anyone wants to unload their "obsolete" Ti Warbird in a 60cm, I'd much prefer having one of those instead of this new garbage.

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    I wouldn't call the new stuff garbage, but I too would prefer to have a Ti one. However, I'm riding a 9-year-old cross-check, so who am I to judge.

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    Bike Rumor stated there are frame only options, but Salsa seems to have expunged all that from the website. Seems like they are pushing built bikes.
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    Makes sense they'd want to go complete, they're pushing an aluminum frame/carbon fork with a 105 build for $2500 bucks. I picked up a Raleigh Willard 2 (aluminum/carbon, 105 build, nearly identical spec) for only $1400 bucks from my LBS.

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    Great looking bikes. I do wonder if full carbon makes sense for gravel. That could be a lot of rocks hitting the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy View Post
    Bike Rumor stated there are frame only options, but Salsa seems to have expunged all that from the website. Seems like they are pushing built bikes.
    I'd wouldn't read too much into what is or isn't on the Salsa website at the moment. These bikes won't be available until summer. Not saying you're wrong, but the frameset options for 2015 bikes were one of the last updates they made to the 2015 specs listed on their website. I remember this because I had to wait quite awhile the get frameset details on the 2015 fargos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Finally, I can have the feel of riding on lower air pressures without bending all the way over to let air out.

    I feel bad for the people who bought the Ti models not knowing they'd be 6% crummier than aluminum
    Just curious, Volsung, what info are you basing your comparison of the Ti versus Al Warbirds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOser View Post
    Just curious, Volsung, what info are you basing your comparison of the Ti versus Al Warbirds?
    Ah, I answered my own question, you must have been referring to the bikerumor.com article comparing the 2016 Al frame to the 2015 Ti frame:
    All New Salsa Warbird Gravel Racers Take Flight, Plus Powderkeg Mountain Tandem is Ready to Roll

    I have a 2015 Ti frame. I'm 6% pissed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOser View Post
    Just curious, Volsung, what info are you basing your comparison of the Ti versus Al Warbirds?
    Also, checkout the Warbird video posted on the Salsa site. They mention that in testing the new frame design both the carbon and AL models were more compliant than the Ti model. That's sorta three strikes against the Ti warbird. More expensive, heavier, and less compliant than the AL model. Maybe that's why they seem to be removing it from their lineup

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    The aluminum Warbirds sound too good to be true. I am definitely checking them out when they're available. The orange Tiagra model looks great on the web. I love the new styling
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    Just snagged the Tiagra in green. Tossing on a carbon seatpost, maybe some different tires and will go from there. Looks to be a pretty awesome bike. Currently chomping at the bit to get out and ride...just got 9.5 inches of snow...being closely followed by .5 inches of ice...then rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOser View Post
    Ah, I answered my own question, you must have been referring to the bikerumor.com article comparing the 2016 Al frame to the 2015 Ti frame:
    All New Salsa Warbird Gravel Racers Take Flight, Plus Powderkeg Mountain Tandem is Ready to Roll


    I have a 2015 Ti frame. I'm 6% pissed off.
    It's pretty hard to quantify vibration on a frame.
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    Maybe it is, but the engineer in charge of the Warbird project did use accelerometers to measure vibrations, and that's where the figures came from. Exactly how that was done, I cannot say, but it isn't like they plucked these numbers from thin air.

    I happen to trust the guy, because I know him, but I know also that there will be doubters and naysayers. It is the internet after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOser View Post
    I have a 2015 Ti frame. I'm 6% pissed off.
    LOL! Could be worse huh?

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    I've been racing a cross-check and I love the comfort factor, but would love something lighter/faster... I'm trying to find a reason NOT to order the carbon Warbird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el nobody View Post
    LOL! Could be worse huh?
    I could be much worse, very true. Actually I was not even remotely serious, I don't think I'd swap my Ti frame for a new carbon one, even if I could for no cost. I'm very happy with my Warbird and have ridden the hell out of it since I got it 4 months ago. I've always had a liking for Ti after reluctantly retiring an old Moots frame a while back.

    I've also dumped my Warbird on ice a couple times, I shudder to think what condition those bowed out carbon seat stays would be in after this kind of treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOser View Post
    I've also dumped my Warbird on ice a couple times, I shudder to think what condition those bowed out carbon seat stays would be in after this kind of treatment.
    Yikes, never thought about that!

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    Anyone know how the Warbird would do in traditional cyclocross race scenarios?

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    Quote Originally Posted by el nobody View Post
    Anyone know how the Warbird would do in traditional cyclocross race scenarios?
    I don't know this from direct experience, but I think the biggest problem you'd have is with the lack of stand over height. It's nice having a high top tube to make room for lots of water bottles and a frame bag, but you'd probably hurt yourself in a CX race if you do a lot of dismounting/running/mounting.

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    If you look on the "Build Kit" tab on the Salsa page for the Warbird Carbon, they list the Black Frame option - $1999.99 - competitive pricing for a carbon frame/fork. The AL frame set is $999.00, both come with carbon forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by el nobody View Post
    I've been racing a cross-check and I love the comfort factor, but would love something lighter/faster... I'm trying to find a reason NOT to order the carbon Warbird.
    My Tamland has been great, but would love something lighter as well.

    Any info on frameset weight of the Al version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinercat View Post
    My Tamland has been great, but would love something lighter as well.

    Any info on frameset weight of the Al version?
    I will weigh mine later and post up.

    EDIT: 3lbs 12oz no axle but with the seat tube clamp. 58cm
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    Quote Originally Posted by steinercat View Post
    My Tamland has been great, but would love something lighter as well.

    Any info on frameset weight of the Al version?
    If you like the geo on the Tamland but want a lighter option I think you will have some interesting news in about a month............maybe less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    If you like the geo on the Tamland but want a lighter option I think you will have some interesting news in about a month............maybe less.
    Arrrgghhh!!! You're killing me!

    Yes...love the geometry. My Vaya and Tamland have been my 2 favorite rides.

    Reading your reviews on the Tamland actually helped in my decision to get it.

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    Anyone know if the army-green Warbird will be sold as a frameset only option?

    I think I've found my next bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinercat View Post
    Anyone know if the army-green Warbird will be sold as a frameset only option?

    I think I've found my next bike....
    steinercat. Have you been on the Salsa website? The answers to all your questions are there.

    go to salsa cycles.com

    select the warbird 105 11 model

    click the the "build kit" tab - looks like the frameset is available in teal

    click the "frame tech" tab. What size are you? Frame and fork weights are listed. looks like they mixed up the weights of the 56 and 58 since I doubt the 58 weighs less than the 56.

    Let us know what you get and be sure to post pics of your build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdwhitey View Post
    steinercat. Have you been on the Salsa website? The answers to all your questions are there.

    go to salsa cycles.com

    select the warbird 105 11 model

    click the the "build kit" tab - looks like the frameset is available in teal

    click the "frame tech" tab. What size are you? Frame and fork weights are listed. looks like they mixed up the weights of the 56 and 58 since I doubt the 58 weighs less than the 56.

    Let us know what you get and be sure to post pics of your build!
    Did not see that.

    2,065 grams /4.6lbs for the 56cm frame & fork.

    Full 105 build/56cm is ~5lbs lighter than my current 105 Tamland. Nice!

    I was hoping to get the army-green as a frameset only, but those are not listed as frameset only options (yet).

    Thanks!

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    Rode the new AL Warbird a bit last night. Just a few minutes of playing around on a 56cm - just a little big for me - and it felt pretty nice. Jumped it a little off the speed bumps in our lot, and it just felt nice... Now with the new Ti Vaya option coming out, I am at a loss to decide which of these bikes I might want (want all of them can afford a fraction...) I won't be gravel racing, might tour, this bike would be my do-it-all road bike/touring and dirt-roadable bike. Want it to be light enough to chase with my buddies on their carbon bikes, but still be able to hang packs on and ride on unpaved roads... Both the CF Warbird and Ti Vaya might do that, but which would do it better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    Rode the new AL Warbird a bit last night. Just a few minutes of playing around on a 56cm - just a little big for me - and it felt pretty nice. Jumped it a little off the speed bumps in our lot, and it just felt nice... Now with the new Ti Vaya option coming out, I am at a loss to decide which of these bikes I might want (want all of them can afford a fraction...) I won't be gravel racing, might tour, this bike would be my do-it-all road bike/touring and dirt-roadable bike. Want it to be light enough to chase with my buddies on their carbon bikes, but still be able to hang packs on and ride on unpaved roads... Both the CF Warbird and Ti Vaya might do that, but which would do it better?
    How tall are you?

    My 56cm Vaya fits me great, but I have it set-up with a flatbar.

    I wil probably be a 55 on the Warbird.

    Unfortunately....no more Salsa dealers in Las Vegas.

    Thanks!

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    steinercat - I am just about 5'9" with sorta short legs. I straddle a 54cm in just about everything perfectly. 55cm is still acceptable, and the cockpit dimensions are better for me than the 54cm would be. We have a '14 Red Warbird here that just might end up being mine as it is - works just fine for what I need. The new ones are pretty sexy tho, and if I can sell my CF /Dura Ace road bike then I can see me getting into the Ti Vaya or CF Warbird...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    steinercat - I am just about 5'9" with sorta short legs. I straddle a 54cm in just about everything perfectly. 55cm is still acceptable, and the cockpit dimensions are better for me than the 54cm would be. We have a '14 Red Warbird here that just might end up being mine as it is - works just fine for what I need. The new ones are pretty sexy tho, and if I can sell my CF /Dura Ace road bike then I can see me getting into the Ti Vaya or CF Warbird...
    Thanks for the info. My legs are on the short side also.

    I'll make a trip to your shop next time I'm in SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    Rode the new AL Warbird a bit last night. Just a few minutes of playing around on a 56cm - just a little big for me - and it felt pretty nice. Jumped it a little off the speed bumps in our lot, and it just felt nice... Now with the new Ti Vaya option coming out, I am at a loss to decide which of these bikes I might want (want all of them can afford a fraction...) I won't be gravel racing, might tour, this bike would be my do-it-all road bike/touring and dirt-roadable bike. Want it to be light enough to chase with my buddies on their carbon bikes, but still be able to hang packs on and ride on unpaved roads... Both the CF Warbird and Ti Vaya might do that, but which would do it better?
    If it helps any, I was torn between a Fargo and the '16 Warbird. In the end I knew I wasn't going to be doing enough serious off-roading to warrant the Fargo, so I went with the Army Green Tiagra Warbird.
    I absolutely love this bike. It does everything I need and delivers it all with comfort and good pace.
    I've done some mini-bikepacking with it, using Revelate Designs seatpost bag, bar bag and a frame bag, and it handles the extra weight without issue.
    Yesterday I rode 103 miles, mostly asphalt but with an 18 mile stretch of gravel and a few miles of rough trail at the local State park - extremely comfortable ride!

    On sizing, I'm 6' 4" and was convinced I'd need a 60, but the 58 fits great. So they seem to be sized a little bigger as far as I can tell.

    It's a great 'do anything / go anywhere' bike. I'm sure it's a pretty serious gravel racer too, but there's no racing in my future
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