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    2014 Salsa bikes

    Any info on the 2014's? I was looking for the Horsetheif, Spearfish, or El Mar.

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    Mid July is when allot of info starts to leak out. But, the current FS models are now on sale, maybe changes are coming for next year.

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    It's coming soon July 22nd...

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    dangit, I want every one of these bikes

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    ti mukluk
    fargo gets alternator dropouts
    el mariachi gets a bend in seat tube for slightly shorter chainstays
    ti el mariachi with paint

    now salsa ti is being outsourced to taiwan, no more lynskey --- that could be good (cheap!) or bad (cheap!).

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    They made the Ti change for the 2013 model year actually...

    From what I have seen come through the shop here, the frames are not even on the same planet in terms of quality when it comes to comparing them to Lynskey.

    The new ones have double/triple-butted and shaped Ti tubing. Who else is doing that?

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    New Mamasita? Or how about an al El Mar?? Patiently waiting...

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    I saw a glimpse of the new El Mars with Bmoreken's link to GT Productions. But no Sita.. I am waiting to see that.. Please post if anyone catches a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc_n_tucson View Post
    I saw a glimpse of the new El Mars with Bmoreken's link to GT Productions. But no Sita.. I am waiting to see that.. Please post if anyone catches a pic.
    You won't be seeing a Mamasita because it has been discontinued. Salsa decided to use the El Mar ti as the premier race/adventure rig in the line up going forward.
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    Cool, thanks GT. Sucks, but makes sense I guess. It would have still been nice to see an anodized alum HT from Salsa. I know you stated before that they have no plans of making a carbon HT race bike, but I can see them making one down the road. Especially, after making the new carbon beargrease. If they do, I am sure it won't be called a Mamasita. It appears they been going away from those "latin" type names into those more "adventurous" type naming schemes. Which is cool.. It makes you wonder though, how long before the El Mar will be called the El Mar...

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    What about the full suspension Mukluk ??? Still waiting on the fork I assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc_n_tucson View Post
    It appears they been going away from those "latin" type names into those more "adventurous" type naming schemes. Which is cool.. It makes you wonder though, how long before the El Mar will be called the El Mar...
    You've nailed it pretty much as far as naming things goes there at Salsa. They wanted to move away from the older perceptions of the brand which were tied into all the Latin based names.

    However; the El Mariachi is a legacy bike, (If I am not mistaken, the longest running name still in current use at Salsa), and has a bit of equity with us riders. As long as the model stays relevant, I don't see it going away.

    If anything changed, (frame material, basic design, wheel size, etc), then I could see that name being retired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INEVTBL View Post
    What about the full suspension Mukluk ??? Still waiting on the fork I assume.
    All the scuttlebutt points to this fall as the time when the Rock Shox fat bike fork will debut. I also assume the bike will be a Split Pivot bike, and that may push the bike back a bit as far as anything we might see for sale. I would imagine all efforts were made to design the Spearfish and Horsethief first.

    I bet hard tail fat bikes with front suspension will come first. Muks and Beargrease fattys with front suspension? Oh yeah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    You won't be seeing a Mamasita because it has been discontinued. Salsa decided to use the El Mar ti as the premier race/adventure rig in the line up going forward.
    Boooo! I was hoping for a new "better-looking" Mama. What now for a good Sub $1K Alu frame?? Kona? Yeti? Looks like most upper end hard-tails are going Carbon.

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    Any news/pics of the Vaya and Colossal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitz3641 View Post
    Any news/pics of the Vaya and Colossal?
    That's what I want to see too. Other than new colors is there much they are going to do with those bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    That's what I want to see too. Other than new colors is there much they are going to do with those bikes?
    One can only hope ; rear brake inside rear triangle, Shimano hydro disc(=di2 shifting) About as maintfree U can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitz3641 View Post
    Any news/pics of the Vaya and Colossal?
    Colossal Pics

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    Like the grey Colossal color scheme.

    Here is a link that was posted in the Fargo thread...

    Salsa unveils carbon fat bike and updates Fargo | Bicycle Times Magazine
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    @Davp.. Couldn't agree with you more.. Yeah, I like me a nice quality alum frame.. Hopefully my 2012 Sita lasts me.. If not I can see me replacing that frame with an Alum Air 9.

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    Salsa missed the boat this year. Their prices are getting up into boutique levels and they are not doing anything to warrant the price increase. Split Pivot? Really? No direct mount brakes? fugly looking shock yoke on the horsethief and spearfish.

    Not impressed at all.

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    What's wrong with Split Pivot? (Serious question) Seems like the reviews are good so far. Prices are still better than the major name brands too.

    And an ugly shock yoke. What a relevant criticism.

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    Eh, he probably rides a fixie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    They made the Ti change for the 2013 model year actually...

    From what I have seen come through the shop here, the frames are not even on the same planet in terms of quality when it comes to comparing them to Lynskey.

    The new ones have double/triple-butted and shaped Ti tubing. Who else is doing that?
    They still weigh close to the Lynskey made ones (or more) and availability has not increased but the price sure has. Meh. Triple butted, double butted, all things I'm sure nobody will notice (not to mention i dont remember anyone asking for it) on the trail.

    I like most of their new bikes though. Ti Mukluk is nice (minus he paint).
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    Haha, sure.

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    I'm not digging the paint on the Ti frames either. Its just something to get chipped and scratched. The raw titanium with etched graphics was perfectly subtle.

    I was hoping for an El Mariachi travel with S&S couplers, but that doesnt look likely

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    I'm not digging the paint on the Ti frames either. Its just something to get chipped and scratched. The raw titanium with etched graphics was perfectly subtle.
    Same here

    Why mess with a perfectly fine finish...
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    Yeah, I'd prefer raw Ti with Etched graphics. Clean, classic look that never gets old.

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    I dunno, I see the appeal of the etch, but at the same time, I'm so, so bored with it.

    People will vote with their wallets I guess.

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    BTW, does anybody know (Guitar Ted???) if the Vaya Travel stays the same for the 2014 season, or it has been discontinued? TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich007 View Post
    BTW, does anybody know (Guitar Ted???) if the Vaya Travel stays the same for the 2014 season, or it has been discontinued? TIA
    Stays the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich007 View Post
    Same here

    Why mess with a perfectly fine finish...

    The titanium frame marketplace is generic in terms of overall look. I can not count, (speaking for myself), how many titanium frames are raw with etched graphics. From 20 feet away, they all look pretty much the same.

    Salsa recognized this and wanted to set themselves apart from the crowd of raw with etched graphic titanium products. the half painted frames were their answer.

    I'm not saying their answer to this perception is right, but I get that the old look was like everyone elses stuff. I can see where they are coming from in terms of marketing. When you see a 2014 titanium Salsa, there will be no mistaking what it is. Or at the very least, it won';t look like everyone elses titanium bikes. In that view, they have succeeded. Whether you like it or not is another thing entirely.

    Personally I like some of them very much. (Titanium El Mariachi, for instance) But some of them don't do much for me, (titanium Fargo), so that's my take.

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    Any plans to make the El-Mariachi 120mm fork-compatible. I'm feeling like I'm a bit behind the times when compared with FF29.

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    2014 Vaya Lineup

    @Rich007, here's a photo of the 2014 Vaya lineup
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    2014 Salsa bikes

    Green Vaya...nice. Kind of sucks the Vaya Ti was ended last year. Wonder how the SS bike sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    Yeah, I'd prefer raw Ti with Etched graphics. Clean, classic look that never gets old.
    So is a solid color paint job. Why not offer Raw or Painted? Stealthy Ti would be bad-ass. Don't know about the half & half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosprings View Post
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    Thanks, there it is... I must have missed this pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Stays the same.
    Much appreciated Now, I need to hunt down the frame... Hopefully, discounted a little... LOL
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    On Ted's take on the Ti El-Mars. I feel the finish is a little TOO subtle. I often get asked what the bike is - as it's not obvious. I'd like a big fat colour band around with a great big fat blobby SALSA logo in it! :-)
    Oh - and 120mm fork compatibility! X

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    Any new reviews on the 2014 Spearfish? Dealer camp is over and it would be great to hear what bike shop people thought about the new spearfish.

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    Does anyone knows if they add fender and rack mounts to Colossal and Warbird, and, more important, did they ditch that
    awful PF-30 bottom bracket ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    Does anyone knows if they add fender and rack mounts to Colossal and Warbird, and, more important, did they ditch that
    awful PF-30 bottom bracket ?
    Not sure on rack mounts. (I'm betting no), but the BB changed. To a BB-86, I believe. I saw a Salsa response in another thread to that effect.
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    Maybe I missed some links, but I haven't seen the Fargo Ti 2014 anywhere. Any links?

    My questions are basically:
    1) Did it also get the carbon fork? (I would assume so, but not sure.)
    2) Is the fork also available for a straight headset? That is, can I mount it on say a Fargo Ti 12 frame?

    Does anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fargoer View Post
    Maybe I missed some links, but I haven't seen the Fargo Ti 2014 anywhere. Any links?

    My questions are basically:
    1) Did it also get the carbon fork? (I would assume so, but not sure.)
    2) Is the fork also available for a straight headset? That is, can I mount it on say a Fargo Ti 12 frame?

    Does anybody know?
    #1- Yes
    #2- No, tapered steer tube only.
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    I just recently picked up a lightly used Generation 1 Fargo that I was thinking about trading in for a Surly ECR and I was wondering what your thoughts were. I like simplicity not suspension, so I like how the Gen 1 Fargo is specifically built non suspension corrected. But I would like to be able to run 29+ tires. I don't think that I could justify having them both. Would I be making a mistake by getting rid of this classic bike?

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    whoops i posted that on the wrong thread

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    So when can we expect to see the 2014 models? I think that the horsethief frame would be perfect for me.

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    I checked with someone from Salsa via twitter. Sucks that the 2014 Fargo carbon fork is not compatible with 2013 Fargos. I really hope Salsa will come out with a fork that's backward compatible.

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    2014 Salsa bikes

    Does that mean there's no steel salsa fork that will fit the new generation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyrcr View Post
    Does that mean there's no steel salsa fork that will fit the new generation?


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    The Fargo 3 for '14 has a steel fork. I also would imagine that aftermarket steel forks will still be made available through QBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unagidon View Post
    I checked with someone from Salsa via twitter. Sucks that the 2014 Fargo carbon fork is not compatible with 2013 Fargos. I really hope Salsa will come out with a fork that's backward compatible.
    That's not a clear answer. The fork should fit a 2013 Fargo with the 44mm head tube. (Tapered steer tubes fit 44mm head tubes with the proper head set.) It wouldn't be complimentary to the geometry though, as it is about 20mm longer axle to crown than a 2013 fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    That's not a clear answer. The fork should fit a 2013 Fargo with the 44mm head tube. (Tapered steer tubes fit 44mm head tubes with the proper head set.) It wouldn't be complimentary to the geometry though, as it is about 20mm longer axle to crown than a 2013 fork.
    So the question is, how bad / strange, if any, would be bike feel with extra 20mm? And would it affect structural integrity in any way? Would love to have a lighter carbon fork on my 2013 Ti Fargo, especially one with all the mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unagidon View Post
    So the question is, how bad / strange, if any, would be bike feel with extra 20mm? And would it affect structural integrity in any way? Would love to have a lighter carbon fork on my 2013 Ti Fargo, especially one with all the mounts.
    Kicks the head angle back by about a degree, raises the bottom bracket, slightly slackens the seat tube angle, and would require an adjustment to your positioning. It might not steer as quickly/crisply as you'd like, and it would put a longer lever arm on the frame that it wasn't really designed for.

    Totally rideable, but the question is whether or not YOU would like it. I can not address that point. I've played around with different length forks with different off sets on a single bike model before, (An OS Bikes Blackbuck), anything from 420mm axle to crown to 520mm. There is a "sweet spot" that I like, and maybe the longer fork on a Fargo would move you out of yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Kicks the head angle back by about a degree, raises the bottom bracket, slightly slackens the seat tube angle, and would require an adjustment to your positioning. It might not steer as quickly/crisply as you'd like, and it would put a longer lever arm on the frame that it wasn't really designed for.

    Totally rideable, but the question is whether or not YOU would like it. I can not address that point. I've played around with different length forks with different off sets on a single bike model before, (An OS Bikes Blackbuck), anything from 420mm axle to crown to 520mm. There is a "sweet spot" that I like, and maybe the longer fork on a Fargo would move you out of yours.
    Thanks. I thought about this. Going from 74 degree STA to 73 wouldn't be so bad, effectively shortening the reach and easily adjustable with stem angle / length. Tilting seat is obviously a non-issue. The slightly higher bottom bracket - not ideal, but can't be too much given how far away the crank is from the fork end. The killer is slackening the 70 degree steering to 69 degree. On the other hand, many trail bikes are at 69 or 69.5 degree head angle, so may not be too bad.

    I guess depending on cost, might be worth a try!

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    Do we have any idea of when we can expect to be able to order a 2014 Vaya frameset?

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    Will that ti seatpost on the ti el mar be available separately this year? Anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XLT_66 View Post
    Do we have any idea of when we can expect to be able to order a 2014 Vaya frameset?
    Go to any Salsa dealer and place an order today. Earliest ship dates may get you a frame by Fall, wait too long and it will be late in the year.
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    New Salsa catalog linked from the Salsa blog today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrythewound View Post
    New Salsa catalog linked from the Salsa blog today
    Are you able to open the preview? It isn't working for me or a coworker.

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    Works for me, it opens a PDF in my browser. You could try and right-click the link to save a PDF. The catalog is linked here

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    Works for me.

    Salsa have a lot of cool bikes coming. I don't know if I'd buy any of them (the Beargrease looks so tempting) but they definitely have some interesting bikes in their line up.

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    Got it to work. Some sort of firewall issue, I think.

    That Colossal Ti looks awesome! I'm waiting on a 2014 Vaya frame to show up. Not sure which color is being sent but I'm pumped to get the build started.

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    2014 Salsa bikes

    That Fargo ti is sharp!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrythewound View Post
    New Salsa catalog linked from the Salsa blog today
    Some nice colors but my Fargo ist only 4 month old so there comes nothing new.
    Are there perhaps some mistakes in the geometry charts with the XL-Fargo, esp. standover, stack and reach?
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    I have been searching for a new frame to replace my aging Karate Monkey. I love the geometry of the KM and considered another KM. But, I really like the Kona Unit and 2013 El Mariachi. The new 2014 El Mar has almost the same geometry as the KM but has a nice list of features that are better than the KM.
    • Slightly higher bottom bracket
    • 1 degree slacker head angle
    • Short chainstays
    • Alternator dropouts
    • Lower standover
    • Slightly longer ETT


    There is just ONE issue. The only color for the frame option is ORANGE. Not a cool tangerine like the Mukluk2 but a retina-burning traffic-safety-cone orange. I like understated paint colors (my KM is black) but really can't justify spending $700 on a frame only to drop another $200 on blasting and powder coating a new color. I really hope that Salsa changes their mind on the frame option bike or offers another color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1 View Post
    I have been searching for a new frame to replace my aging Karate Monkey. I love the geometry of the KM and considered another KM. But, I really like the Kona Unit and 2013 El Mariachi. The new 2014 El Mar has almost the same geometry as the KM but has a nice list of features that are better than the KM.
    • Slightly higher bottom bracket
    • 1 degree slacker head angle
    • Short chainstays
    • Alternator dropouts
    • Lower standover
    • Slightly longer ETT


    There is just ONE issue. The only color for the frame option is ORANGE. Not a cool tangerine like the Mukluk2 but a retina-burning traffic-safety-cone orange. I like understated paint colors (my KM is black) but really can't justify spending $700 on a frame only to drop another $200 on blasting and powder coating a new color. I really hope that Salsa changes their mind on the frame option bike or offers another color.
    Go with the El Mar 3 , it's a killer light blue color.

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    Just wait a few years until your color comes up
    Even if a Salsa had "my" color I would powdercoat it because the original Salsa wetpaint is not very durable. I would spend the extra money for the podercoater an get a really individual bike!

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    After seeing the 2014 El Mar colors I'm glad I snagged a 2013 El Mar 2, though I do like the Shimano equipment on the 2014. Especially the SLX brakes. I tried to work out a brake swap to SLX's at the LBS where I bought mine but it wasn't cost effective. I decided to give the Elixir 5's a go and switch to Shimano if necessary. So far I'm happy with them. Practically noise free and no problem bringing my chunky butt to a stop.

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    I'm curious as to the reason(s) for the shift to Shimano groups. Especially on the Vaya and even the top end El Mar. Personally I have always preferred Shimano mtn groups over Sram. I assume the triple on the Vaya is one of the reasons. Drop the Wi-Fli and get a true "touring" setup with a triple.
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    I rode several of the Salsa bikes at a demo tonight. A few thoughts:

    1, the El Mar 2 is a sweet bike. Looks good, spec is awesome. Ride is awesome. Very easy to chuck is around. Brakes are really that good.

    2, I'm not a real FS guy, but the Horsethief is insane in the XX1. It does not feel like a 29er.

    3, also rode the Spearfish in the XX1. Very nice bike, but I kinda like the ElMar for a lot of the same/similar riding I do. Would have liked to ride the 3 and 2 level to get an idea about those--I expect the XX1 bikes to rock.

    4, no El Mar SS off the boat yet.

    5, they had so many fat bikes to demo it was ridiculous. The BG is awesome but costly.
    The muks are slick too, but I wasn't crazy about the orange ano.

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    Nice EJJ.. Now, would you (or anyone out there) say the the next generation El handles a lot better then the previous generation El Mar? That is of course if you have ridden a 2011-2013 el mar. My wife and I own 2011s and we like the way the ride and handle. I am just curious on how they compare with the newer ones.

    As for the Horsetheif, I have read good things about this bike. Would you say it feels a little more XCish?? If you have ridden the older models, how would you say it compares? I demo'd a 2012 HT and it was nice, but it did have the trucky feeling. Unfortunately, the trail the demo was held at was swoopy hard pack. I am sure if it was a trail with some chunck, the bike would have really excelled. If the new HT rides more nimble, lighter, and faster than the previous model, I can see myself getting one down the road to replace my 2011 Spearfish. Although, I have read too that the new SF feels like it has a little more travel then the previous generation SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc_n_tucson View Post
    Nice EJJ.. Now, would you (or anyone out there) say the the next generation El handles a lot better then the previous generation El Mar? That is of course if you have ridden a 2011-2013 el mar. My wife and I own 2011s and we like the way the ride and handle. I am just curious on how they compare with the newer ones.

    I have ridden the older EM. I'd say the difference is in the snap. You can definitely feel the shorter chain stays. Easier to chuck. The components can be purchased as you go, but the spec is quite nice. Awesome hydro brakes, nice long setback Thompson post for tall dudes like me.

    As for the Horsetheif, I have read good things about this bike. Would you say it feels a little more XCish?? If you have ridden the older models, how would you say it compares? I demo'd a 2012 HT and it was nice, but it did have the trucky feeling. Unfortunately, the trail the demo was held at was swoopy hard pack. I am sure if it was a trail with some chunck, the bike would have really excelled. If the new HT rides more nimble, lighter, and faster than the previous model, I can see myself getting one down the road to replace my 2011 Spearfish. Although, I have read too that the new SF feels like it has a little more travel then the previous generation SF.
    The HT and the SF both benefit from the split pivot design. I was going way too fast on some downhills. The SF definitely has that little magic carpet ride feel. It is a great bike for long rides. If you are out west, the HT is awesome. The uphill pedaling was great. My only regret is not being able to try the cheaper Split Pivot bikes, as I would like to know what a guy can get for @2500. The SF frame is nearly the same weight as the ElMar. How important is the Cush? I would consider keeping your ElMar, sell the SF, and try out an affordable HT.

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    Sorta bummed that they didn't make a Warbird in steel. Not crazy about the painted Ti, so I need to start looking for a 2013 Warbird frame. I have a steel colossal and love it to pieces but I am looking for a bit more clearance for CX and Gravel rides when I don't wanna huck around my Pugsley.
    Glad I bought my Colossal when I did, other than the 2 colored ENVE forks, not crazy about the paint scheme and graphics on the 2014s.

    Glad they didn't start putting mount holes all over the Warbird & Colossal. Plenty of soft rack bag options out there. I might eat my words in the wet slop but then, you're wet anyways, so what is a bit of crunchy road grime to go with the hydration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakedbabytoes View Post
    Sorta bummed that they didn't make a Warbird in steel. ............
    This is why I think the Straggler from Surly is going to sell like hot cakes.
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    I'm excited about the changes to the Spearfish. I love my 2012. I am really bummed about color. The green frame is beatiful but it's not for me. It's the only color offered. I'm sad to say it will probabally keep me from owning a 2014 Spearfish. I like to build my bikes. Unless I have a change of heart maybe I'll build a Tallboy and see what it rides like. I would REALLY dig the frame in that sweet blue or even the orange. Superficial I know but you have to like to look at your bike sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    This is why I think the Straggler from Surly is going to sell like hot cakes.
    It is on my short list for gravel & CX, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I'm excited about the changes to the Spearfish. I love my 2012. I am really bummed about color. The green frame is beatiful but it's not for me. It's the only color offered. I'm sad to say it will probabally keep me from owning a 2014 Spearfish. I like to build my bikes. Unless I have a change of heart maybe I'll build a Tallboy and see what it rides like. I would REALLY dig the frame in that sweet blue or even the orange. Superficial I know but you have to like to look at your bike sometimes.
    Agreed!! Though i have yet to see a decent pic of the 2014 frame in that color.

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    Does anybody know the MSRP for the Mukluk 3 for this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Does anybody know the MSRP for the Mukluk 3 for this year?
    Right at $1800.00, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Right at $1800.00, I believe.
    The Mukluk 3 and Pugsley are similar in price, and both seem to be capable fatbikes. So, GT, as a fellow Iowan, if you had to choose one of those two, which would you choose, and why?

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    Am I the only one who is confused by the changes to the Fargo's geometry? I understand that they changed the fork's effective length from 80mm to 100mm, but the 2014's stack/standover looks much higher.



    Has anyone been able to confirm the 2014's geometry? I'm really interested in replacing my 57cm Vaya with a Fargo, but now I'm wondering if even a medium will not have enough standover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark View Post
    Has anyone been able to confirm the 2014's geometry? I'm really interested in replacing my 57cm Vaya with a Fargo, but now I'm wondering if even a medium will not have enough standover.

    Thanks.
    I took my 2012 Fargo with an 80mm Reba up front in to work the other day and matched it up with the same size 2014 Fargo 3 on the floor. Standovers were identical on both bikes.

    In my experience, Salsa specs are, at best, confusing. Has been that way for years and has caused all sorts of questioning on these forums and elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    The Mukluk 3 and Pugsley are similar in price, and both seem to be capable fatbikes. So, GT, as a fellow Iowan, if you had to choose one of those two, which would you choose, and why?
    If, for instance, I was building the bike from a frame, and was wanting to use mostly stock bits, let's say off another bike, or parts bin stuff- Pugsley. If I were into IGH's, liked SS, or steel- Pugs.

    If I wanted sus corrected geo, (in anticipation of Rock Shox's entry into the fat bike world)- Salsa. If I liked the more trail bike bent to geo, or if I just think the symmetrical looks are better- Salsa. If I were into the lightest possible fat bike- Salsa.

    I have the fat bikes I want, which Salsa is moving away from in terms of geo, (and all the newer stuff is similar as well), since I happen to appreciate the more "expedition" aspects of my 2011 Muk and 2012 Ti Muk. If I can sus out the perfect tire combo, I will be good to go with those bikes. Otherwise I will be looking for a 190mm rear spaced frame and something versatile like my Muks are. Likely a Fatback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I took my 2012 Fargo with an 80mm Reba up front in to work the other day and matched it up with the same size 2014 Fargo 3 on the floor. Standovers were identical on both bikes.

    In my experience, Salsa specs are, at best, confusing. Has been that way for years and has caused all sorts of questioning on these forums and elsewhere.
    Thanks, Ted. Mind if I ask what size Fargo you ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Go to any Salsa dealer and place an order today. Earliest ship dates may get you a frame by Fall, wait too long and it will be late in the year.
    Maybe for a Vaya. I went into my local Salsa dealer earlier this week and they could not yet order a Spearfish, frame only or complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighMark View Post
    Am I the only one who is confused by the changes to the Fargo's geometry? I understand that they changed the fork's effective length from 80mm to 100mm, but the 2014's stack/standover looks much higher.



    Has anyone been able to confirm the 2014's geometry? I'm really interested in replacing my 57cm Vaya with a Fargo, but now I'm wondering if even a medium will not have enough standover.

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    After a few questions like this have come in, we realized that we have made a type on that information. The proper info will be published as soon as we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    If, for instance, I was building the bike from a frame, and was wanting to use mostly stock bits, let's say off another bike, or parts bin stuff- Pugsley. If I were into IGH's, liked SS, or steel- Pugs.

    If I wanted sus corrected geo, (in anticipation of Rock Shox's entry into the fat bike world)- Salsa. If I liked the more trail bike bent to geo, or if I just think the symmetrical looks are better- Salsa. If I were into the lightest possible fat bike- Salsa.

    I have the fat bikes I want, which Salsa is moving away from in terms of geo, (and all the newer stuff is similar as well), since I happen to appreciate the more "expedition" aspects of my 2011 Muk and 2012 Ti Muk. If I can sus out the perfect tire combo, I will be good to go with those bikes. Otherwise I will be looking for a 190mm rear spaced frame and something versatile like my Muks are. Likely a Fatback.
    How have things changed with the Muks and Beargrease models compared to yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon View Post
    After a few questions like this have come in, we realized that we have made a type on that information. The proper info will be published as soon as we can.

    Sorry about that!
    Good to know, thanks. Would you update this thread when the corrected info is published?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    How have things changed with the Muks and Beargrease models compared to yours?
    They raised the bottom bracket ever so slightly, which isn't that big of a deal, but they shortened the rear end, which for my riding style makes punching through crust harder not to do. By some quirk of manufacturing, (Lynskey made Ti Muk), my chain stays are actually a bit longer than spec. I actually like that fact. So, I'll be sticking with that bike for sure. The 2011 frame/fork was a 50th birthday present, as well, so it is hard to part with that. It handles really well in the way I like, so that just compounds matters. Many of the newer fat bikes are headed down the "shorter chain stay" route as well, which I do not want for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    They raised the bottom bracket ever so slightly, which isn't that big of a deal, but they shortened the rear end, which for my riding style makes punching through crust harder not to do. By some quirk of manufacturing, (Lynskey made Ti Muk), my chain stays are actually a bit longer than spec. I actually like that fact. So, I'll be sticking with that bike for sure. The 2011 frame/fork was a 50th birthday present, as well, so it is hard to part with that. It handles really well in the way I like, so that just compounds matters. Many of the newer fat bikes are headed down the "shorter chain stay" route as well, which I do not want for sure.
    Thanks for the explanation. So are they trying to make them more all-around trail bikes versus snow-touring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    The Fargo 3 for '14 has a steel fork. I also would imagine that aftermarket steel forks will still be made available through QBP.
    the fork talk with the Fargo makes me wonder what a Fargo Ti would look like with a Lefty (carbon). That'd be an interesting set-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    Thanks for the explanation. So are they trying to make them more all-around trail bikes versus snow-touring?
    The Muk is still considered an "expedition" type fat bike, but yeah...with folks talking about riding fat bikes more and more as a "mountain bike", the geometry and suspension fork capability, (when the forks finally do come out for these bikes), is being added in to accommodate those activities. The Alaskan based fat bike companies still veer (at least for now), to the expedition/back country type geo, (longer rear center, no sus correction) which only makes sense for their riding.
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    Anyone know when the 2014 Spearfish will be available?
    Has anyone had a chance to ride it yet?
    The SF3 is currently on my lust list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Anyone know when the 2014 Spearfish will be available?
    Has anyone had a chance to ride it yet?
    The SF3 is currently on my lust list.
    Was wondering myself so I e-mailed Salsa. They are very responsive so I figured might as well go directly to the source.
    Here was their response.
    "The 2014 frames are due in Late December or Early January"

    I asked for shipping dates, but this sounds like when they may be getting them.

    There are a few first hand ride reports somewhere on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er View Post
    Was wondering myself so I e-mailed Salsa. They are very responsive so I figured might as well go directly to the source.
    Here was their response.
    "The 2014 frames are due in Late December or Early January"

    I asked for shipping dates, but this sounds like when they may be getting them.

    There are a few first hand ride reports somewhere on here.
    thanks for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er View Post
    Was wondering myself so I e-mailed Salsa. They are very responsive so I figured might as well go directly to the source.
    Here was their response.
    "The 2014 frames are due in Late December or Early January"

    I asked for shipping dates, but this sounds like when they may be getting them.

    There are a few first hand ride reports somewhere on here.
    too bad - I had planned Saturday to test ride a couple more bikes but was most excited about the Horsethief geometry. Looks like it'll be the Ripley and Pivot 429 that'll get first dibs for my wallet!

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    Those aren't bad options, no matter what bikes you're looking at!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er View Post
    "The 2014 frames are due in Late December or Early January"
    Tic tock tick tock. Hard to wait for the Spearfish. I'm also considering a Pivot 429 and race season is just around the corner!

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    so hey, I rode the Ripley, the 429carbon and the shop thru in a Niner for good measure. I felt like I was perpetually risking a header on the large Ripley, the Niner was a great fit but the large Pivot 429 was an absolute rocket! I couldn't believe how well it accelerated and the control I felt cornering this bike at speed. Now the shop is situated in a city neighborhood, so mostly pavement and curbs some exposed roots and I was scolded for taking this bike through an abandoned dirt lot which I was compeled to do because I couldn't believe how instantly I was loving the feel and behavior of this whip. Alas I had had come to find my next Trail bike not replace my cross country bike and the Pivot though sweet may not allow me much better access to the more technical trialsy sections of trail which I'm after

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