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    Who makes Rocky carbon frames?

    I just bought a 90RSL monocoque frame (road)
    I post here 'cause there is not a lot of knowledge on Rocky road frames on road forums , so I thought maybe around here, someone will know the company very well.....

    I know they are made in Taiwan , but is it Giant , Merida ,...... ????
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    Martec in Taiwan is the manufacturer's name I heard.
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    Thanx for the info
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    I hadnt heard martec but that would make sense as I've heard the manufacturer mentioned for other equal brands. Of course expect delays... Martec and other frame makers are facing carbon fiber shortages again this season. People in the sports world don't seem to grasp that the raw material isn't made by the same manufacturers who then produce their frames and golf club shafts and so on. And the suppliers for that raw material sell to primarily to aerospace and defence companies. Booming demand in the defence sector is leading to short falls for other sectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Martec in Taiwan is the manufacturer's name I heard.
    Sorry, that is incorrect. We pick the best partners to work with for each individual platform - end of story.

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    See, you can't rely on LBS rumours. Is it the Vertex that's a Martec frame?
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    Well given that Martec is one of the best manufacturers of carbon frames...
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    Ok, to break the radio silence. I want to set the record straight. Here is the Official Party Line:

    We (RMB) make our carbon frames, with the help of some of the best vendors in the world. Our engineers work hand in hand with these vendors to develop our products to our standards and goals. We go through an exhaustive selection process in chosing vendors, dependent on a number of factors, be they our Vancouver facility, or an overseas frame specialist.

    It's no secret that we use outside vendors. We won't go shouting their names from the roof top, because the take home here is that at the end of the day they are OUR products. Just like it's not Magna that makes your car, it's brand X.

    But if you're in Vancouver, and want to see what happens in our frame shop, come on by, I'll show you around and pour you a coffee.
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    Who's your "partner" for the solos then?

    Is the solo 90 RSL made in St-Georges ?

    Just joking....


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    Our brothers in STG are too busy to be up to their elbows in resin and itchy fibers...

    Don't worry. It's one of the best in the biz.
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    At the rate Boeing is having trouble, maybe CF will be more available for bike frames.
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    Nah, world supply being soaked up making $112k iPhone cases. We're scrambling to source a hemp alternative.

    http://www.carbonfibergear.com/11200...ost-expensive/



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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    Nah, world supply being soaked up making $112k iPhone cases. We're scrambling to source a hemp alternative.
    Yeah, but what about finding something to make frames out of?

    I wonder if I'll have as much trust in flying in a carbon airplane as I do riding my carbon Vertex or Altitude? I don't think so somehow.
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    On topic, will the vertex be future proof.....Sram XX (bolt on f mech is too high), 2*9 (narrow BB, chainring clearance on stay)? Everyone going 2*9 now (even 1*9), XTR will have to make emerengcy release soon.

    Super frame, cant understand why element 2010 wont be carbon, current element is getting left behind :-(

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    There's no way that the Shimano direct mount FD will be compatible with the SRAM XX direct mount, but then again, the XX FD is only 17gms lighter than the XT direct mount (with the cable stop trimmed off), so there's not a pressing need to use a SRAM XX unless you're sponsored by SRAM. I'm hoping that there's an XTR direct mount offered soon.

    I've got 10mm of clearance between the inside of both of the RF Next crank arms and the chainstays on the Vertex RSL, so there should be enough room for much narrower Q cranks and still keep clearance to the chainstays.
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    I just dont think the high FD mount on the vertex will allow the lower use of the mech for a 40t ring (for example). Also, chainring clearance with the narrow Q may be the issue, not the carnk arm. I know Giant XTC carbon have issues.

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    The XT FD is nearly as far down as it can go on a 44T so if there is an XTR direct FD, they'd need a longer slot.

    I have about 5 or 6 mm clearance between a 44T ring and the chainstay, so a smaller diameter 37T or 40T chainring should have some clearance with the angle on the rings.

    Maybe Eurobike and Interbike will reveal some new Shimano stuff.
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    yeah, thats what I meant :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall
    Super frame, cant understand why element 2010 wont be carbon, current element is getting left behind :-(
    How long do you guys expect a carbon frame to last, or is it sad to care?

    My scandium Element is seven years old and feels as good as new, but my guess is that some of the bumps and scrapes it's had in that time could have been the beginning of the end for a carbon-fibre frame.

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    Typically 5 years.
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    The warranty is 5 years on the carbon frames, but the nice thing about carbon is that it doesn't have a fatigue life, as long as you don't actually break it, it should last a long time.
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    What he said.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The warranty is 5 years on the carbon frames, but the nice thing about carbon is that it doesn't have a fatigue life, as long as you don't actually break it, it should last a long time.
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    I may be an exception here, but I don't think 5 years is very long for a bike to live. A 1989 Rocky Mountain is a good bike to own and to ride, and steel is repairable and a Rocky Mountain is worthy of being repaired. But I wonder whether many of today's carbon-fibre frames will be owned and ridden in 2029?

    My concern is not just that they're not repairable, but I hear stories that if you have an accident that scrapes the surface of the carbon-fibre away, that area becomes suspect and likely to fail at some future point. If there's any truth in that, I would have concerns about whether it is sufficiently durable for an mtb frame material for anybody other than the initial owner.

    I was just wondering whether it's really true that making Elements out of scandium constitutes 'getting left behind', that's all. I suspect not.

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    warranty seems to be on paper

    In my situation - warranty was denied. RM said - frame was crashed, yet frame was NEVER CRASHED. It lasted me 3 weeks, a far shy of 5 years or more.

    It is one thing to advertise warranty on paper. It is a completely different issue whether Rocky Mountain backs up their warranty promise. In my case, Rocky Mountain pulled every conceivable excuse why they did not want to replace the frame AS THE WARRANTY STATES.

    So, beware. Yes, Rocky Mountain says 5 years warranty for carbon frames, but in reality they qualify the issue as "crash" and offer "crash replacement".

    That is weak. I don't care what Rocky Mountain says. I care what Rocky Mountain does.

    In my case, Rocky Mountain warranty commitment was dishonored. I wish all of you more LUCK.



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    Well duh...you post pictures of damage to the stay with deep scratches and grooves in it. That doesn't happen from air bubble delamination or epoxy failure... that only comes from grinding the chainstay against something... most likely a rock, side of a concrete wall, or car door (a tree sideswipe is unlikely to do that much damage). I'd call that crash damage too. At the very least, I'd call that owner inflicted abuse. I wouldn't honour a warranty either. They're for defects in materials/manufacturing... not "accidents".
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