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    So Lee Lau is testing Altitude 29 at the moment

    and I heard today that he put a bash guard on for the North Shore gnarl. Can't wait to see this review!!

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    Just got an e-thirteen black/gold turbocharger for mine and it looks great! With the big wheels you can easily get away with a 2X9 setup using a standard granny and middle ring. I might swap to a bigger mid ring for faster rides but it's been great so far.

    I rode 7th, Pipeline and Dempsey on it on Saturday morning and it handled it all really well. Some bigger, stickier tires would have dome me well but I couldn't have imagined a faster up-down bike. It climbed the fire road beautifully and was only marginally slower than my FR bike on the way down. I can't wait to race the Test of Metal on it.
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    I saw your bike ken. It looks nice but I'll have none of this weight weenie crap now!
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    Hey bog, you still have that yellow Summit RL i sold you?

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    Hey, huh, what?? I can't think of one part on the bike that's in the weight weenie category. With my svelte 225 lbs that just wouldn't be right. All parts were swapped due to personal preference.
    Now my hardtail is bordering on weightweenieism but it still has a solid build.
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    sorry i was thinking of rockyuphill and carbon bits shattering everywhere

    Here's the Altitude 29er. Stock build except for 70mm stem, bashguard and Maxxis tires. Going to get some Kenda Nevegal 2.4s also









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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    sorry i was thinking of rockyuphill and carbon bits shattering everywhere
    No shattered carbon yet...
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    [QUOTE=LeeL]sorry i was thinking of rockyuphill and carbon bits shattering everywhere

    Here's the Altitude 29er. Stock build except for 70mm stem, bashguard and Maxxis tires. Going to get some Kenda Nevegal 2.4s also

    Good call with the tires although you should consider the stock Conti MK 2.4s for muddy weather or possibly some Ardent 2.4's. I have a chunk of time on both and really like them. The Ardent matches up to the Alti 29 well and really let you push the limits of traction on that bike.
    As you know, the Crossmarks are fantastically fast tires but more suited to tamer terrain. I love them on my Superfly.
    You should bring her down for a ride at Galbraith one weekend. The bike absolutely rips on those fast, twisty trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Hey bog, you still have that yellow Summit RL i sold you?
    Hmm, I can't remember having a yellow one but my memory is getting worse as I get older? I know I had a white/blue one way back and sold it after a few years. I'd love to get it back and build it up with some quasi-vintage parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bog
    As you know, the Crossmarks are fantastically fast tires but more suited to tamer terrain. I love them on my Superfly.
    You should bring her down for a ride at Galbraith one weekend. The bike absolutely rips on those fast, twisty trails.
    I don't trust the Crossmarks and I really don't trust the Contis. See I know the 29er will rip on the fast twisty trails. That's not the question. The question is how will it do on technical trails.
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    Beware 2.4 x 29 tires... Can be REAL tanks. The contis are nice, since you could argue they aren't "full sized" 2.4's. And Lee, don't forget about the additional traction you get out of 29'ers inherently via contact patch...
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    A - can i put dynafits on this bike?
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    Yes. But cross check compatibility with Teva's.
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    Eesh, that seatpost is torn up from the back-and-forth up/down. Adjustable height post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaelin
    Eesh, that seatpost is torn up from the back-and-forth up/down. Adjustable height post?
    yup - that darn Wade constantly dropping that seatpost. I'm going to try to test it was much as possible with OE components to start with and maybe add an adjustable later. That's a maybe though
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    yup - that darn Wade constantly dropping that seatpost.
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    Racing Ralph 2.4s are not tanks by any means. They're lighter than many 26 x 2.1s I've used.

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    <object width="640" height="360"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=10398838&amp;server=vimeo.co m&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_port rait=0&amp;color=00ADEF&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=10398838&amp;server=vimeo.co m&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_port rait=0&amp;color=00ADEF&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="640" height="360"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/10398838">Pipeline, North Vancouver - RM Altitude 29er</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/leelau">Lee Lau</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

    Rode Pipeline on Fromme in North Vancouver with Sharon. I'm testing a Rocky Altitude 29er and wanted to explore its ability in technical trails. Sharon's on a Norco Vixa.

    This is for a review of the bike on MTBR.com.

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    So what's your initial impression of bigger wheels versus more travel? Does 3" of wheel diameter make up for a couple of inches of suspension travel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    So what's your initial impression of bigger wheels versus more travel? Does 3" of wheel diameter make up for a couple of inches of suspension travel?
    No - it doesn't but it seems to make rough trails smoother. I also buzzed my shorts a bit on medium steep drops so might have to compensate more. I thought for some reason the 29 wheels might make it feel a bit clumsy but it was nimble & handled beautifully - typical RM feeling bike
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    Nice video Lee - makes me wanna get out to Vancouver and try some of that...
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    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/rocky-m...10-first-look/ - for the initial impressions





    Going to x-post it to the 29ers forum too
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    Rode Kill Me Thrill Me today. Tight twisty trees with some flowy sections ending with rock slabs. Fun ride

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    We rode up Happy Trail then over to Cream Puff. I was on the RMB Altitude 29er. Sharon was on the Norco Vixa. I love this trail - can't seem to get enough of it

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    Hey Lee, I want your life.

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    Come ride with Darcy . I'm going to photograph him airing out canyons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    We rode up Happy Trail then over to Cream Puff. I love this trail - can't seem to get enough of it
    Nice loop! Totally agree that Cream Puff is a blast and a ton of bang for buck. So, have you officially put the skis away yet?

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    Almost eb. THose trails are in mint shape though
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    Rocky's resident bike engineer joined me for a day of product testing the Altitude 29er

    Much appreciated that he complied with my request to wear clothing that would pop against the forest colours







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    Can't even tell it's a 29er unless you stare at the proportions.

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    so vaelin - is that good or bad??? :>

    video from the day

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    Had that thing down 5th yet? What about S&M?

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    It would be a 3 piece bike if I took it down 4th. Not S&M. Just rode Fromme & Seymour trails on it - no shuttles
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    It would be a 3 piece bike if I took it down 4th. Not S&M. Just rode Fromme & Seymour trails on it - no shuttles
    Push it to the limits, you know you want to find the true limits.

    You won't be "on rope" so it's all good on the insurance

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    Sure that's not my wife hijacking your account??

    I'm glad I rode the bike - opened my mind and all that you know. Now I really would like to try a longer travel 29er. I'd push that thing a bit more
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    Sure that's not my wife hijacking your account??

    I'm glad I rode the bike - opened my mind and all that you know. Now I really would like to try a longer travel 29er. I'd push that thing a bit more
    So we'll get to see you attempt rear tire swing arounds on the Slayer (if they do a 29'er one) on S&M.

    Stick your head into the Banshee forum and you can watch Keith's design process of the Claymore.

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    Here's one from a shore classic that's received a lot of recent work - For Ladies Only

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    Hey Lee - any chance on getting your hands on a RIP 9 for a comparison to the Alt 29? I sense that one is better going up and the other is better going down but would still be an interesting comparo?

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    What's its travel? Looks like just 120mm. I think I want to try a longer traver 29er which are more suited for local conditions
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    Even the Niner W.F.O.9 is only a 5.5" bike. Everywhere else but here has a different idea of what freeride is all about, and North Hollywood is a whole lot different than Hollywood of the North. It's always amusing to spot all the shooting locations for Fringe, Stargate, Battlestar Galatica, etc while riding.
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    I was thinking a longer travel 29er wouldn't be a fair comparo to the Alt 29 and since you're fresh on the Alt 29 why not compare something...comparable?

    The WFO can be set up to 150mm out back and built with a 150mm fork from White Bros for example if you are looking for a 6x6 29er. I think its the king of 29er travel so far? Give that a whirl after the RIP though!

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    Here's someone elses take on the Altitude 29er

    http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain...e-29er-review/
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    and yet another different brief review

    http://www.cvmtb.com/index.php/2010/...ude-29-review/
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    Another good review Lee. I am thinking that the 2011 Slayer might be the cure that ailed you on the Alt 29 - not to bias that upcoming review should it happen or anything.

    I like your section on biases. You may want to consider including the types of trails you are testing the bike on and your own technical skills that others might not be able to match and as a result may have a different experience when trying to tame a bike under certain conditions.

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    Too bad the review was pretty much based on terrain and riding that the bike isn't really designed for. It is an XC/AM bike and even in BC, the N. Shore can't be considered XC even though we all tell people Seventh Secret to Pipeline or Lower Oil Can is an XC ride.

    Throwing flat pedals on, short stem, big tires really pushed the review out there in my mind.

    It would have been better to spend all day rides in Squamish or even Bellingham at Galbraith.

    Of course the Slayer will remedy the shortcomings of the Altitude! It is far closer to a free-ride bike than the Altitude. I would say the new Slayer will fill the kind of segment the old Intense SS or Nomad is. Far different than what the Altitude 29 is geared towards.

    The pictures were good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leggatt
    Too bad the review was pretty much based on terrain and riding that the bike isn't really designed for. It is an XC/AM bike and even in BC, the N. Shore can't be considered XC even though we all tell people Seventh Secret to Pipeline or Lower Oil Can is an XC ride.

    Throwing flat pedals on, short stem, big tires really pushed the review out there in my mind.

    It would have been better to spend all day rides in Squamish or even Bellingham at Galbraith.

    Of course the Slayer will remedy the shortcomings of the Altitude! It is far closer to a free-ride bike than the Altitude. I would say the new Slayer will fill the kind of segment the old Intense SS or Nomad is. Far different than what the Altitude 29 is geared towards.

    The pictures were good though.
    Lots of people ride 29ers on that terrain. There are lots of reviews on Galbraith and Squamish type terrain. Another review like that .... boooooring. I wouldn't be interested in writing a review like that. What I was interested in was exploring how this bike would do in technical terrain.

    I've ridden LOTS of bikes that were billed as XC/AM on the Shore and they did well (eg Norco Fluid, RM Altitude). The 29er did much worse than those bikes in that terrain comparatively speaking. If you can't see the utility of my review then all I can say is that we will have to agree to disagree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

    I like your section on biases. You may want to consider including the types of trails you are testing the bike on and your own technical skills that others might not be able to match and as a result may have a different experience when trying to tame a bike under certain conditions.
    Thanks. I think the video goes a long way to explaining the terrain and the way I'm riding those trails
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    I gotta say you lost me early on with this one too Lee. I realize that you did try to qualify your experiences but being disappointed with a bike that's just not meant for this terrain is a bit off.

    I can take my Nomad to race the Test of Metal this weekend but I'd expect it to be slow and mushy due to the laid back geometry, short top tube, heavy tires and squishy coil sprung suspension. I definitely wouldn't call these shortcomings of the bike and I wouldn't try to swap XC wheels onto it and expect it to fare much better.

    That being said, I don't find either of my 29ers diificult to ride on the Shore trailes like Ned's, Corkscrew, 7th, Pipeline or Ladies only. It's probably because the wheelbases are shorter than the 26" bikes that I've ridden (and own) and my 29er HT has a pretty slack head angle. I still choose my Nomad pretty much every time I visit the Shore because that's what it's built and spec'd for.
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    I found Lee's review useful. I look for bikes that enable me to be on the podium for "interesting" xc race courses such as Nimby 50, North Shore Fest and the Dirty Duo (which use many of the same trails that Lee tested the Altitude 29 on). By reading between the lines of Lee's biases, I gleen information about how that bike or 29'ers in general suit my biases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    Lots of people ride 29ers on that terrain. There are lots of reviews on Galbraith and Squamish type terrain. Another review like that .... boooooring. I wouldn't be interested in writing a review like that. What I was interested in was exploring how this bike would do in technical terrain.

    I've ridden LOTS of bikes that were billed as XC/AM on the Shore and they did well (eg Norco Fluid, RM Altitude). The 29er did much worse than those bikes in that terrain comparatively speaking. If you can't see the utility of my review then all I can say is that we will have to agree to disagree
    Sure, I understand where you are coming from Lee. I have an '07 Fluid SE that I have tricked out and riding it on the N.Shore and it does handle the terrain well. But, I have a Fox 36 on it now, 70mm stem, 185mm Elixir CR and add all the upgrades to a bike that started with a 68deg head angle, it is competent. But, my Slopestyle kills the terrain and is far more competent performer. But, take the Fluid on a 5 hour ride with a lot of up and down, some technical terrain etc, the Slopestyle isn't in the ball park. Horses for courses, I guess.

    It is good that you are listing your biases so that will definitely help people read more into the review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bog
    I gotta say you lost me early on with this one too Lee. I realize that you did try to qualify your experiences but being disappointed with a bike that's just not meant for this terrain is a bit off.

    I can take my Nomad to race the Test of Metal this weekend but I'd expect it to be slow and mushy due to the laid back geometry, short top tube, heavy tires and squishy coil sprung suspension. I definitely wouldn't call these shortcomings of the bike and I wouldn't try to swap XC wheels onto it and expect it to fare much better.

    That being said, I don't find either of my 29ers diificult to ride on the Shore trailes like Ned's, Corkscrew, 7th, Pipeline or Ladies only. It's probably because the wheelbases are shorter than the 26" bikes that I've ridden (and own) and my 29er HT has a pretty slack head angle. I still choose my Nomad pretty much every time I visit the Shore because that's what it's built and spec'd for.
    Its great to get input. One of the worse things is a review met with resounding indifference. So thanks for the comments and keep them rolling

    If I said that the Alitude 29er's shortcoming was its limited Shore ability then I have to work harder at conveying meaning because thats not what I said or intended to say.

    I did say that its downhill/freeride ability has a "limited envelope". I'm a big believer in taking xc/am bikes outside their comfort zone (CCM knows this). A lot of AM and even xc bikes have surprised me by being very capable in wtf terrain. The Altitude 29er imo is NOT one of those bikes.

    That's not a big surprise. Rocky doesn't pretend this bike is a Shore bike. So it's not a slam on Rocky. It's a reality check on the bike and my opinion on what it would take to expand the bikes downhill capabilities without (IMO) hurting its uphill ability
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    Quote Originally Posted by leggatt
    Throwing flat pedals on, short stem, big tires really pushed the review out there in my mind.

    The pictures were good though.
    Just to be clear on this. 2.25 Nevegals aren't really IMO big tires. They're actually a tiny bit narrower than the stock 2.4s which came with the bike. A 70mm stem is a $ 50 investment that a lot of people make - you can see boxes and boxes of 90 and 100mm stem in bike shops from such swaps and if you buy a bike from a shop; most LBS's will make that swap for free. Flat pedals are also imo legitimate trades; a lot of people run those.

    To be clear I ran that bike on the Shore with the stock setup first before making the component changes. I also rode the bike in Squamish and Whistler and Pemberton with the stock setup before making those component changes.

    IMO this is fair methodology as I then have some baseline to compare the stock setups vs the modified setup - AND - I make changes that are reasonable within most rider's budgets.

    Big dollar budget changes are IMO more noteworthy and should be specifically mentioned in reviews - ie if a bike's suspension sucks I'll pay particular attention to that since its such a big dollar item.

    Thx for the observation though and the opportunity to clarify!
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    I have to resist throwing a chain guide and stubby stem on every bike I have!

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    It's interesting with the videos. I find that they are often very one dimensional in feel even with helmet cams and, much like it's very difficult to convey angle of slope or steepness with still shots, it appears a similar problem exists with video in that the difficulty of the terrain is hard to convey/imagine without having ridden it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowup
    It's interesting with the videos. I find that they are often very one dimensional in feel even with helmet cams and, much like it's very difficult to convey angle of slope or steepness with still shots, it appears a similar problem exists with video in that the difficulty of the terrain is hard to convey/imagine without having ridden it.
    darn - i was hoping that the videos would help. I know photos never really did the trick. You'll just have to visit and ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowup
    It's interesting with the videos. I find that they are often very one dimensional in feel even with helmet cams and, much like it's very difficult to convey angle of slope or steepness with still shots, it appears a similar problem exists with video in that the difficulty of the terrain is hard to convey/imagine without having ridden it.

    Not a knock on the review but I have the same experience when watching mtb vidoes - they do not convey perspective and relative speed very well - I'm not techy but I imagine it's due to the limitations of current cameras.

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    Oh - and what I like about this review was that Lee explored the limitations of the bike and found them for him. While some might think that the terrain is not suited to the bike so it was unfair, if you didn't know any better and read other reviews you'd think this bike could go anywhere. It's not exactly easy to take prospective new bikes for a test spin on the trail so I find reviews like this offer useful information to consider. Your terrain and skills may differ but at least some sort of benchmark has been etablished to gauge this bike against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg
    Not a knock on the review but I have the same experience when watching mtb vidoes - they do not convey perspective and relative speed very well - I'm not techy but I imagine it's due to the limitations of current cameras.
    and a lack of depth, wait 'til they have 3D helmet cams...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Awesome! Test the Altitude in the gnar of Florida (and to be fair South Carolina etc) and it will perform great
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