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    Rocky Mountain Element 19" - sizing help ? ? ?

    Hello,

    I have the option to buy a 2009 Rocky Mountain Element 50 in a 19" size but I'm wondering about sizing.... I am 5'11" with kind of long legs but a shorter torso and was wondering if the 19" frame would fit me. The top tube of 23.62" looks on paper to be all right for me. There are no Rocky Mountain dealers near to me so I would have to rely on your feedback to make this work. It certainly seems like these bikes get great reviews so I am pretty excited about maybe buying this bike! I race a little and will be doing some 24 hour events in the coming year and this looks to be great set-up for me.

    I appreciate your thoughts and opinions - thank you

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    What's the HTT length on your current bike? Top tube length is just about the most important fit criteria, seatposts you can adjust, but it's hard to fix a bike that's too long or too short.
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    I ride an 19 inch Element I am 5-11 with a 32 inch inseam....

    The seat is extended about midway....and the seat is near the back of the rails.

    Elements tend to have a smallish cockpit.

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    The 19 should be a good size for you, I am also 5'11" and about 33" inseam, I am currenlty on an 18" frame and I should really be selling it off and buying a 19"
    My bike is great for shorter races and playing with my friends, I like the smaller bike for handeling but I think I could be more comfortable on a bigger frame for long races. I have done a few 8 hour races on it and by the end of the day my back is pretty sore.
    plus the longer TT would keep you with a shorter stem, I think the All mountain guys have it right with the short stems I find that they handle way better.
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    Im 6ft exactly and I ride the 19" Element 50 and it fits me very well...It's a great bike, im sure you wont be dissapointed, I've thrown it at most of the best Trail Centres in Wales and never felt like I needed more...It's light, well equipped and comfortable...

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    Does anyone my size (5'11") ride a 20.5" frame?

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    Unless you have an unusually long torso and arms, that may not be comfortable. The 20.5" frame has a 620mm (24.4") HTT.
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    Thanks for the heads-up!

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    if u dont mind what is price range, I just posted 2250 asking at my lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    Unless you have an unusually long torso and arms, that may not be comfortable. The 20.5" frame has a 620mm (24.4") HTT.
    bumpity bump

    The long torso/arms vs legs seems to describe my build at 5'11", 32" inseam. I have had an 18" Team Sc (80mm travel) for several years, ridden/raced it extensively, but always felt it is small for me. I have a Thompson set-back seatpost with the saddle mounted back almost as far as possible plus a 130mm stem. FWIW, I have a Giant Trance X1 (size large, 24.0"/610mm HTT, 100mm stem) that is my go-to trail bike. I would really like to get a race bike with a more stable DH position as this one has always given me considerable pucker factor on steep descents. My top 2 choices are a 2011 Giant AnthemX (24.2"/615mm HTT) or a gently used 2009 Element Team (size 20.5", 24.4"/620mm HTT). Either of these would get a stem in the 80-100mm range.

    Any thoughts on fit and/or comparison between those two bikes?

    // edit to add: I know the true test would be to test ride each but no dealer within a 3hr drive stocks anything resembling a race bike.

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    I think that will work for you. I'm 5'10" with a 33.5" inseam and ride the 18" Great fit for me.

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    Guys - at 6'2" with a 33 inseam and long monkey arms are you thinking 20.5 or 19 on the MSL? Already bugged Alex for his thoughts but curious what you guys are riding.

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    5'10"

    I'm 5'10" and I ride the new 19 which has a 23.8 tt and it's awesome! I run a 80mm stem and it fits amazing. I can't say enough good things about this bike. Get the 19 yuo will be happy with it for sure. The shorter stem makes it handle awesome on the rougher, steeper stuff as well/

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    6'-2" you're quite likely going to be wanting the 20.5" unless you have short arms or torso. I'm 6-1" and the 19" is just right, the 20.5" frame HTT is 25mm longer than the 19" @ 605mm HTT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seleniak View Post
    Guys - at 6'2" with a 33 inseam and long monkey arms are you thinking 20.5 or 19 on the MSL? Already bugged Alex for his thoughts but curious what you guys are riding.

    -Shane
    5-11 32 inseam....long arms I ride the 19....you need the 20.5

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    I think I'm on the very edge, but I have a 2006 Element 19" and I'm 6'3". Yeah, most people would say I'm too tall for it but it fits me fine.. I think any taller though would need the next size up. You should be just fine.

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    Proper bike fit is tightly related to the effective top tube length and there can be lots of variations in personal preference as a result.

    The seat post telescopes where the top tube doesn't, these days 'nad clearance isn't an issue, especially on a sloping or curved top tube bike.

    If you have to start going to stem lengths longer than 100mm or setback seatposts with lots of offset you can shoehorn yourself onto a smaller bike, but stem length and seatpost setback can really impact the handling and weight distribution on the bike, and the relationship between your body and the pedals.

    It's worthwhile crunching through the numbers on one of the online fit calculators if you're outside the normal parameters for leg, arm or torso length, or better yet get a proper bike fit done.
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    Thanks rockyuphill. Have played with the usual tools but historically find I can make either size work but that on some bikes smaller is better and on others longer is better. Was more looking for input/color on what people are running who are happy with the handling and weight distribution and whether you guys are sizing up or down given all the variables. Challenge is I was able to play with one that was too small when I was back home on vacation in Canmore and loved it in general but all my local shops in Norcal carry it as a "special order" and have not really sold many or fitted anyone to them so they are just doing the same paper exercise I am. Normally shy away from buying an online frame I can't demo but was really impressed with it.

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    There's always those situations where you are exactly in between the two, if that's the case it will likely depend on whether climbing or descending is where you want the edge. A shorter HTT will tend to make it more comfortable descending as it lets you get your weight back further. The longer HTT will allow you to get your weight further forward and weight the front wheel and get up on top of the cranks on a steep climb.

    The 20.5" MSL also has a 10mm taller head tube so the front end height also scales up. I find the bar height a little high on the 19" MSL, even running a wide flat bar, so I wouldn't want any higher front end.

    When you were in Canmore did you ride the new 19" Element MSL? Those 19" frames have the 5mm longer HTT compared to the older alloy Elements so it will be a better fit than the previous year's 19" for a 6'-2" guy.
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    Thanks Rockyuphill.

    Actually rode a 18" MSL with a really loong stem and lots of post that the guy at the Center had setup for himself (he was my height) thus my challenge in sizing as its hard to extrapolate to either the 19 or 20.5. On paper I would go 20.5 and a shorter stem based on ETT but riding the 18 left me thinking that a 19 with a 100mm works thus the question to you guys on whether to upsize or downsize for better handling on this bike. Again thanks for the help.

    -Shane

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    Rockyuphill - at 6'1" what length stem are you running on your 19" and did you need an offset post? Are you happy with the weight distribution on your 19"? Would you have a Reach number for the 19" MSL handy?

    Thanks,
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    I'm running a 100m stem and a 700mm wide flat bar. The post on the MSL is the Race Face Next which has the same offset as the Race Face Deus which is either 12 or 15mm I believe.

    I'm not sure what the Reach dimension would be, if you describe it I can measure it?

    The bike is really nicely balanced, The only thing I'd like would be a zero rise stem to drop the bar height about 10mm.
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    Thank you sir!

    Looks like 12.7mm (0.5") from the website. Love your bike builds.

    Reach is the horizontal distance from the center of the BB to the center of the headtube. It is "E" in this diagram

    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1311894288


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    On the 19" MSL's the reach measurement looks like 17" (1/8" range of error)
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    Perfect. Thanks. Which Headset are you running on your RSL (red cap in photos)? Confused between the threads saying Orbit CF-40 and the website saying Orbit CF-42. Any thoughts on the Enve bar, stem and seatpost?

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    The headset is the FSA ceramic Orbit upper (with the 8mm stack height) and a separate 1.5" lower with a reducer crown race, there's not a complete package available with that combo, and no ceramic 1.5" bearings that I've been able to find. so I ended up with a spare 1-1/8" ceramic bearing to upgrade the upper half of the headset on the MSL too. At least all those Campy spec bearings are identical for upper and lower. I'm running the Fox F100 with the straight 1-1/8" steer tube and the reducer crown race as it was lighter than the tapered steer tube fork by 100gms.

    I like the ENVE stuff, it is pricey but finished nicely and lighter than spec'd. The 700mm wide Sweep bar is great, but I've been spoiled now, even 700mm seems just wide enough and a 725mm wide bar wouldn't feel excessive.

    You do need to put some grease on the wedge parts of the seat post saddle clamp to get it to the proper torque spec, but once you do that it is solid as a rock.
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    Cool. So for a tapered fork you would use this one?

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...3&category=726

    and to go to ceramic you used the top from this one instead - yes/no?

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=31083

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    Yep and yep!
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    Had a 19" element, that's what they fitted at the bike shop


    Just got a new 18" element it seems to handle corners alot better for me

    I'm 5-10

    Have a long stem on the bike

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    Thanks ripper roo. Are you using an offset post on the 18" (and did you before on the 19") and any difference/issues in handling going downhill (curious on weight distribution vs the 19") on the 18" vs the 19"? what stem length did you use on the 18"?

    Appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    Had a 19" element, that's what they fitted at the bike shop


    Just got a new 18" element it seems to handle corners alot better for me

    I'm 5-10

    Have a long stem on the bike
    That makes sense. The shorter wheelbase bike will corner quicker and be more affected by steering input due to the increased weight over the front wheel. Within reason, bike sizing is mainly about trade-offs between quick handling vs uphill/downhill performance. Where do you live/ride? What is the terrain like, steep/rooty/rocky or more flat/smooth?

    Do you have the 18" set up with the same saddle to handlebar distance as your prior 19" bike to achieve the same pedaling efficiency?

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    this is my 3rd element (first one was purchased in 2003, 2006, then 2010)

    went from an 18 to 19 to 18

    measured the old bike when sizing the new one noticed they change specs from year to year slightly.

    Some of the numbers were the same some were very different.

    My biggest concern was the nose of saddle to Center of handlebar (555 cm)

    I have 120 cm stem which seems really long but doesn't cause any issues. (going over the handlbars etc.) The old one was guessing 80cm

    not sure if its cm or mm I deal in inches and feet all day

    seat post is not offset, race face next sl, have maxxis cross mark 2.25 tires

    Overall I was really paranoid about buying the "smaller" bike but in the end I'm really happy with it. A couple sections of trail I ride all the time (steep switch backs) I could barely make on the 19" but with the 18" I have no problem with them. I'm getting older and fatter so it's not my fitness by any means it's the bike.

    Live in breckenridge CO. Pretty much ride straight up and down, mountain terrain, varies from loose rock to smooth as butter single track, to lots of roots and mud (thanks to too much snow and rain this year) Did a 3,000 ft straigh up climb and decend yesterday.

    I went through all this in the fall, crunching numbers and comparing and contrasting, I can't remember everything now and I threw out the spec sheet I made.

    Honestly I think I'm right at the cut off at 5-10 for a 18 or a 19 inch bike. I'm pretty happy that I did the 18 incher. The only thing that really bugs me is the center of bottom bracket to the top tube is really really short in my opinion. So my seat is really high up. I think this is just a design change on rocky mtns part.

    Would love a new carbon element but I have the great ablity to destroy a bike pretty quickly so I think carbon would be a no no for me.

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