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    Post your ETSX builds

    Hey everyone,
    Finally got to testride an ETSX on the weekend, rides nice, & alot lighter than my liquid20.

    Probably going to do a custom build, so I'm curious what everyone else has out there, & how much the bikes weigh if possible.

    Thanks all.

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    Here are the specs for my ETSX. I've only had her for a few months so it's still a work in progress. Little by little I'm trying to shave weight here and there, and upgrading to full XTR as well. I'm not sure of her current weight but I'd have to guess around 25 or 26 pounds. Once I have access to a scale I'll weigh her.

    2006 Rocky Mountain ETSX-50 Build

    FRAME : Easton 7005 FS Custom Ultralite
    SHOCK : Fox Float RP3
    FORK : Fox Talas RL
    BRAKES : Shimano LX Hydraulic
    REAR DERAILLEUR : Shimano XTR
    FRONT DERAILLEUR : Shimano LX
    CRANKSET : RaceFace Evolve XC X-type
    HEADSET : FSA Orbit
    SHIFTERS : Shimano LX Dual Control
    CASSETTE : Shimano XTR
    CHAIN : SRAM PC991 Hollowpin
    WHEELS : Mavix Crossmax XL
    TIRES : Panaracer Fire XC, 26x2.1, 127 TPI Casing
    TUBES : Maxxis Ultralight
    HANDLEBAR : RaceFace Next SL Low Rise, 25.4mm
    STEM : Thomson X-2, 100mm, 25.4mm
    SADDLE : WTB Rocket V Stealth
    SEATPOST : RaceFace Next SL, 27.2, 350mm
    PEDALS : Shimano SPD 540
    GRIPS : RaceFace Lock-on Grips

    Here's a pic of her minus some of the latest upgrades. BTW I love this bike! :

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    06 Rocky Mountain ETSX - Full XTR, Fox Shox, Crossmax XL Wheels

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    2004 ETSX-70 19" with the following kit:

    PUSH RP3 and TALAS 90-130mm fork
    Race Face Deus Cranks
    Race Face Deus 100mm stem
    Race Face XY seatpost
    Race Face low riser bar
    Magura Marta SL discs
    SRAM X-0 shifters
    SRAM X-0 rear derailleur
    SRAM hollow pin chain
    Shimano XTR f.der
    Mavic Crossmax XL wheels
    Selle Italia saddle
    ODI grips
    Kenda Kinetics 2.35 or Nevegal 2.1 depending on trail conditions

    Weight 28.2 pounds with Kinetics and 27.9 pounds with the Nevegals, weighed on an Ultimate Support scale.
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    Nice rides guys!

    Just got a call back from the shop, I guess the '07 frames (x50 & up) have some carbon fiber seat stays, should shave a bit of weight.
    & guess the shimano dual-conrol are gone as well, which is nice cuz I don't think I wanted to try em.

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    The rear is carbon on the ETSX-50 and up. The dual control is pretty nice but I plan on buying the 07 XTR hydraulic brake levers and shifter pods.
    06 Rocky Mountain ETSX - Full XTR, Fox Shox, Crossmax XL Wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    2004 ETSX-70 19" with the following kit:

    PUSH RP3 and TALAS 90-130mm fork
    Race Face Deus Cranks
    Race Face Deus 100mm stem
    Race Face XY seatpost
    Race Face low riser bar
    Magura Marta SL discs
    SRAM X-0 shifters
    SRAM X-0 rear derailleur
    SRAM hollow pin chain
    Shimano XTR f.der
    Mavic Crossmax XL wheels
    Selle Italia saddle
    ODI grips
    Kenda Kinetics 2.35 or Nevegal 2.1 depending on trail conditions

    Weight 28.2 pounds with Kinetics and 27.9 pounds with the Nevegals, weighed on an Ultimate Support scale.

    That is a sweet 70, both the RP3 and the talas are pushed? How is the sram x.o with the xtr?

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    2005 ets-x 50



    I changed the wheelset (crossmax XL), the brakes (2007 juicy 7, on the old picture it's still a juicy 5), got 2007 XT-shifters and RD, and swapped out the race face evolve stem, handlebar and seatpost for RF deus XC
    I'd love to know how much it weighs...

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    Nice bikes!
    The '07 etsx 50 is calling my name.....in the spring it will be mine

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    My aggressive build

    Mine started out as the originial ETS-X 50 (before the yellow paint job). Have the frame fail in 04 and was sent an 05 ETS-X 70 frame by RM. So here is the current build:

    04 Marz Z1FR QR20
    Push'd Fox Float RL (original)
    Deore M555 disk brakes with 8" front rotor
    LX shifters
    LX front derailleur
    XT rear derailleur
    Hone triple cranks
    SRAM 990 11-34t cassette
    RF Prodigy stem
    Easton EC70 riser bars
    ODI Ruffian Lock-ons
    Original Mavic 223/Deore hubs wheelset with the front rebuilt with Marz thru axle hub
    Panaracer Cinder tires
    (I am going to upgrade, can't decide between nevegal 2.35 and 2.1. Any suggestions are welcome, just consider I ride in the Pacific North-wet)

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    sorry for the blurry pic


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    Here's mine:

    2003 Rocky Mountain ETSX-70

    Frame : 2003 RM ETS-X 70 Easton 7005 RAD Bi-oval
    Shock : 2003 Fox Float RL
    Fork : 2003 Fox Talas RLC
    Brakes : Hope M4 front (205mm), Hope Mini rear (185mm)
    Rear Mech : Shimano XTR Rapid Rise
    Front Mech : Shimano XTR
    Cranks : Shimano XTR
    Headset : Chris King No-threadset
    Shifters : Ancient 2000 Shimano XTR RF+ (soon to be replaced)
    Cassette : Shimano XT
    Chain : SRAM PC991 Hollowpin
    Wheels : Front - Hope Ti. Susp. on Mavic X317, Rear - Hope Ti. Glide on Mavic X317 (in lemon!)
    Spokes : Sapim Laser
    Skewers : Salsa Flip-offs. Flip-Lok on seatpost
    Tyres : Continental Gravity Protection
    Tubes : Continental
    Handlebar : Easton Monkeylite EC70 O/S
    Stem : RaceFace Deus II XC
    Saddle : Specialized Alias BG
    Seatpost : RaceFace XYZ, 27.2
    Pedals : Shimano M858 (soon to be M970)
    Grips : THE Lock-on Grips


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    fantastic bikes guys... outshines my 30lb hardtail in many ways o.O

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    This thread makes me cry.


    I had an '05 ETSX 90, nicest riding bike I've ever touched.
    Red/White frame
    RP3
    Reba WC
    Deus headset
    Mavic 717's
    Hope XC hubs
    Pana' Fire XC tires
    XT cranks
    XTR derailleurs
    -chain/cogset
    Juicy 7 brakes
    Easton EA 50 seatpost
    EA70 bars/stem
    WTB power V saddle (I think...hated it)



    Bought the bike second hand dirt cheap $3500can, it was a demo at a shop and ridden by one of the employee's, wasent the best setup for a 90, but it was still top notch. Weighed close to 30lbs.
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    My ETSX-70 2004:



    Frame: RM ETSX-70 2004 size 20,5"
    Rear shock: Manitou Swinger Air X3 2007
    Fork: Fox Talas RLC 2004 (with Push modifications)
    Brakes: Magura Marta SL
    Wheels: Mavic Crossmax SL
    Tyres. Schwalbe Nobby Nic UST 2.25 (although at the moment Nokian Hakka WXC300 studded tyres)
    Shifters: SRAM X.0 trigger 2006
    Rear derailleur: SRAM X.0 2006 (medium cage)
    Front derailleur: Shimano XT
    Cranks: Shimano XT
    Pedals: Crank Brothers Egg Beater SL
    Handlebar: Syntace Vector Lowrider Carbon
    Stem: Syntace VRO
    Headset:FSA Orbit Extreme Pro
    Seatpost: Tune Starkes Stück
    Seat: Selle Italia SLR Gel Flow

    Weight approx. 12,3 kg with pedals.

    (The pic is a bit old and doesn't correspond to the current set-up of the bike)
    Pertti
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    2005 ets-x 70 and 2004 ets-x special edition out in the wilderness

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    Just bought a set of the Easton AM Havoc's from Price Point (smokin' deal $449) and stuck them on the ETSX-70. I had been running Hope XC hubs and Mavic 317 rims, but found the rims were a bit narrow for 2.35 Kenda Kinetics, so I was looking at getting a wider rim to get a wider tire carcass profile. The outside rim width on the Mavics was 23mm and the Havocs are 28mm. I figured I'd take a fairly big hit on the wheel weight increase but was surprised that the Hope/317 wheels were 1920gms with rim strips, and the Havocs were 1930gms with rim strips. The Havocs are really stiff laterally.
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    Etsx 70 - 2004

    * Frame Size & Color: 19" White/Bare Alloy (Easton 7005)
    * Fork: Fox Talas RL 125mm (5")
    * Rear Shock: Fox AVA (Pro Pedal)
    * Brakes: XT
    * Cranks: XT
    * Front Derailleur: XT
    * Rear Derailleur: Sram X0
    * Shifters: Sram X.7 Grip shifters
    * Pedals: Shimano 959
    * Stem: Easton EA70
    * Handlebar: Easton Monkey Lite xc
    * Seatpost: Easton EA70
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Mag rails?
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: Sram PC990
    * Headset: Ritchey Scuzzy Logic
    * Grips: Oury
    * Front Tire: Geax Sturdy
    * Front Rim: DT 4.1
    * Front Hub/Skewer: DT 240/XT
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Ignitor
    * Rear Rim: DT 4.1
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: DT 240/XT
    * Weight: 12.8 Kg (28.2 lbs)

    However have just discovered what may be a small crack in the lower pivot bearing mount on the seat tube Will have to watch this carefully luckily I'm not one to do big jumps or drops etc
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    Here's My Pair...

    Well, I have a pair of ETS-X90's (as well as '03 Slayer and '06 Ellsworth Moment just to prove I am not bias towards RM ). Anyway, I purchased my first ETS when RM only made a few back in '01 I think to test the waters. Regardless, I have been through a frame once a year it seems right up to the current '07. I must say that RM's warranty guys are nothing but teh best at what they do, period! So good in fact, that is why I bought the Slayer and ultimately the second RM in '06 (that was a leftover '05) as a race bike. Since the '07 came, I now use that as my race bike and train on the '05 ETS. Anyway, the builds...

    Here's the build of the '07 Team Issue/Colors...
    Full '06 XTR package
    Easton EA70 31.8 Stem
    Easton EC70 31.8 Bars
    Race Face Carbon Seat Post
    WTB saddle
    IRC Serac XC UST
    Mavic Crossmax SL
    PUSH-ed Fox Talas RLC
    SRAM PC-991 Hollow-Pin Chain

    Here's the build of the '05 Special Edition Black (only pic I have is me racing on it in the Wilderness 101 Race in PA this past summer, as you can see, it's quite capable)...
    Hayes Mag 9 Carbon brakes
    Mavic CrossMax SL wheels
    Easton EA50 Stem
    Easton EC70 Bar
    Easton EC70 Seat Post
    Full XTR Drivetrain (older style)
    WTB Saddle
    Fox TALAS RLC (will be PUSH-ed in the Spring)
    IRC Serac XC UST
    SRAM PC-991 Hollow-Pin chain

    Now for all those of you who may want to ask, I have no idea the weights of the bikes and frankly don't care. I love the looks and more importantly the way the ride and handle. I race the Endurance races and a typical ride for me is a good old fashioned New England 3 hour 30 mile loop. The ETS is the right bike for me in doing this.
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    Man, I love that white/brushed paintjob.

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    Here's a pic of mine with some nw XTR stuff.

    06 Rocky Mountain ETSX - Full XTR, Fox Shox, Crossmax XL Wheels

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    Wink this is mine !

    Frame Size & Color: 16.5" bronze brown fox (Easton 7005)
    * Fork: Fox Vanilla R 130mm 2005
    * Rear Shock: rock shox bar air
    * Brakes: Avid BB7
    * Cranks: LX
    * Front Derailleur: XT
    * Rear Derailleur: XT
    * Shifters: LX
    * Pedals: Shimano 520
    * Stem: Sexy Hope Gunmetal
    * Handlebar: Race Face Deus
    * Seatpost: RMT Race
    * Saddle: WTB Rocket V Stealth
    * Bottom Bracket:
    * Cassette: LX
    * Headset: Race Face Deus
    * Grips: Race Face
    * Front Tire: IRC Trailbear
    * Front Rim: DT 4.1
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Bulb/Hope Skewer
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XC pro fire
    * Rear Rim: DT 4.1
    * Rear Hub/Hope Bulb/Hope Skewer
    * Weight: I don´t know but this rocks!
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    I love this thread! It has been a real source of inspiration ans ideas to my current planned build.

    I picked up this used 2002.5 ETSX, said to be a limited edition. It is a low mileage machine. I thought it maybe fun to build it up.





















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    wow, great looking frame!

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    Yeah that is an awesome looking frame...on another note, I wish whatever market the builders use the sign the frame was a bit more permanent. It rubs off in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandurston
    Yeah that is an awesome looking frame...on another note, I wish whatever market the builders use the sign the frame was a bit more permanent. It rubs off in no time.

    I thought it was just my builder lol, didn't know anyone else had this prob. I was kinda mad when it rubbed off. It gave the frame some extra character, ya know.
    06 Rocky Mountain ETSX - Full XTR, Fox Shox, Crossmax XL Wheels

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    Thanks guys!

    Regarding the hand signed decal, I't is a shame it rubs off too easily. I may take it off, or rub off the name and sign my own name

    This is how it was done on my custom hand built 1988 Rocky Mountain Wedge


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    The 'built by' sticker fell off mine. Fortunately I was cleaning it at the time so still have it, stuck to my PC monitor. They really should do something a little more permanent!

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    While not really a build yet, here are some shots of the RS 426 Revelation Air fork on my ETSX. The Stem is a 120mm Thompson Road stem I had sitting around and I just used it to hold the assembly together. I think I'll be looking for a 100mm Race Face Deus.







    I have been trying to sort out a set of wheel, and I'm not sure what to get. There are some good prices on the Mavic Crossmax XL right now, however for slightly less I can get a set of hand built Hope Pro 2's with DT Comp Spokes and Mavic 819 UST rims, I like this for I can get it with black hubs, silver spokes and black alloy nipples. I would desparately love a set of King hubs, but I have already spent too much on bicycles in the last year. I'll be lucky if I can complete this ride

    Bar selection, should a person be considering a 31.8 bar these days over a 25.4...?

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    Ok, my first post (been lurking for a while!).

    I got a black (with alu swing arm) etsx-90 frame last summer and built it up as follows - my friend received the frame as a warranty replacement (his previous suffered the dreaded crack...) and I bought it from him, unused:

    * Frame Size & Color: 19" Black/Bare Alloy - ETSX-90, I am assuming 2005 model/maybe 2006 (how could I tell difference?)
    * Fork: Fox Talas RLC
    * Rear Shock: Fox RP3 (Pro Pedal)
    * Brakes: Hope Mini
    * Cranks: XT - with middleburn middle ring
    * Front Derailleur: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: XTR
    * Shifters: XT
    * Pedals: Shimano 959
    * Stem: Thomson
    * Handlebar: USE ATOM carbon - but about to replace with - Easton Monkey Lite xc
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle: Fizik Gobi
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: Sram PC990
    * Headset: Hope
    * Grips: ODI lock-on
    * Front Tire: Panaracer Fire XC pro - folding
    * Front Rim: Mavic 717
    * Front Hub/Skewer: hope
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer Fire XC pro - folding
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 717
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope
    * Weight: Not weighed

    Will try and get around to getting photos online

    Update 19/03/07:

    am sticking with my oversize Use Atom carbon bars.
    And had XTR shifters put on at the weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomw2000
    * Frame Size & Color: 19" Black/Bare Alloy - ETSX-90, I am assuming 2005 model/maybe 2006 (how could I tell difference?)
    2006 and newer has max. 5" of rear travel, 2005 and older max. 4.5". I'd say probably its a 2005 or even a 2004 since officially the ETSX-90 was called ETSX-Team for 2005.

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    What diameter is every one's ETSX's seatpost?

    Mine is what seems to be a 26.8mm, which is a bit bizarre given all my other bikes and even my older Rocky is a 27.2mm....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZX
    What diameter is every one's ETSX's seatpost?

    Mine is what seems to be a 26.8mm, which is a bit bizarre given all my other bikes and even my older Rocky is a 27.2mm....

    Depends on the model year. I believe the ETSX changed to 27.2 with the 2005 model year. My original 2003 had a 26.8 and my 2005 and now 2007 are 27.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick
    Depends on the model year. I believe the ETSX changed to 27.2 with the 2005 model year. My original 2003 had a 26.8 and my 2005 and now 2007 are 27.2

    Karl
    Thanks, it's a 2002.5

    I just want to be sure I get the right size seatpost

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    I've just replaced my 2004 ETSX-70 with the 2007 ETSX-70 (and there was no breaking of frames involved at all, it was simply upgrade-itis). I was interested in the less flexy carbon rear suspension and sturdier pivots and seat tube, as well as the lower ratio shock leverage. So far I am really impressed by how much less twisty the rear end is, especially on sharp edge bumps hit an angle. The lower ratio shock linkage does feel quite supple and it doesn't feel like it's using up all the travel. The BB height is also lower, only 13.375" at the 4" travel setting where it was 13.75" on the older model. It has a nice XC feeling on the 4" setting where I run it most often.

    I moved my X-0 drivetrain, Marta SL brakes and Easton Havoc wheels over to the new frame. Overall this '07 build is about 0.3 pounds heavier than my last '04 build, but the extra rigidity and travel is worth a bit of extra weight for me (with my weight being around 200 pounds).

    Since both the new shock and fork are longer travel than the '04, I have a surplus PUSH'd shock and TALAS fork and a spare ETSX-70 frame (and enough bits to build up another ETSX for a guest bike I suppose). At the end of the 2007 riding season I'll likely send the new shock and fork off to have them PUSH'd.

    The only negative comment I have is that the new carbon swingarm/seatstay is wider just behind the lower pivot and I get some heel strike that didn't happen with the '04. The swingarm is 6.125" wide at that point and the old swingarm was 5.25" wide. It's only on occasion but I'll have to train myself to avoid it or ignore it.

    Here's the new and the old shots.

    my 07 etsx70.jpg

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    and the heel strike location

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    Oh thanks, now you've got me thinking about getting an ETSX frameset again!

    Very nice build IMHO!

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    Nice Upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZX
    Nice Upgrade
    It's a bit like jacking up the radiator cap and running a new car under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    It's a bit like jacking up the radiator cap and running a new car under it.
    For sure

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    Hey Gang, Do I assume right that I require a Top pull front derailleur for the ETSX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZX
    Hey Gang, Do I assume right that I require a Top pull front derailleur for the ETSX?
    You are correct. The ETSX needs a top pull, top swing 34.9mm diameter clamp (31.8mm pre 2005).

    Karl

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    I have posted my 2004 ETSX frame in the classified section

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    Thanks Karwick


    Rockyuphill, to bad it's not my size... I love the color combo!

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    I just got a set of Cross max SLR's and a set of FSA K-Force carbon cranks for my ETSX-70. I will post some pics when I get around to building the bike up with the new parts.

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    2006 ETSX 30
    Fox Talas Fork
    2007 Fox RP23 shock (came stock)
    Race Fcae evolve X type crankset
    Chris King Hubs
    Mavic 819 Ust rims
    Easton post, stem and bar
    IRC mythos 2.1 tires
    Shimano 760 shifters and disc brakes
    2007 Shimano XTR rear der.
    2006 Shimano LX front der.
    Salsa q.r.
    Shimano XT cassette
    RMB saddle

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    ^^^ Nice Color!

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    Here is my ETSX-10 2006:











    2006 ETSX 10
    Fox Float 2007 Fork
    Fox Float R 2006
    Cane Creek Solos Headset
    Shimano XT crankset
    Magura Comp Hubs
    Mavic 819 Ust rims
    Easton 30 post, stem
    Hatchinson Barracuda 2.1 (front) and Maxxis Ignitor 2.3 (rear)
    SRAM X-9 shifters
    Magura Luise 2007 Bat disc brakes
    2007 SRAM X-9 rear der.
    2006 Shimano XT front der.
    Shimano LX cassette
    Crank Brothers Mallet M pedals
    SDG Bel Air RL

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    Here is my bike almost finished I just need a new chain and I need to install the pedals.
    The match maker is a real nice touch.
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    I'm interested in building up a ETSX frame, but at 5' 9" I think the large is a little big. Anyone else have a Medium ETSX frame?

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    At 5'-9" it could be a 16.5" or 18" depending on your torso/leg length ratios, you'd want to test one before buying.

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    I'm down here in New Jersey, US and a dealer is hard to find, but I am riding a Med. Stumpy full and have SS Med.

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    I've got a great deal lined up on a 06 Epic Marathon but I'm still impressed with ETSX ratings

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    whats the stock etsx weigh? was comparing this and an Element 50

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    28-ish pounds for a 19" frame ETSX-70 (+/- 1/2 pound)

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    Wow John that looks great! I wonder how much it weigh's?

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    That bike is absolutely sweet! What year is it and how much were those cranks?

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    Im the around 5 10 . The 18 is what I ride, the standover height on this bike is high due to the high bottom bracket. You need to test ride the bike and not just do the old stan over and lift test. I think a 16.5 might be too smalll for you!

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    My Black Pearl!!

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    Im 5' 6" and I use 16.5 frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarsellone
    Wow John that looks great! I wonder how much it weigh's?
    I have not had it on the scale yet but when it still had the Deus cranks and Cross max XL's on it my scale said 30 pounds . I think that scale might be a little off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Hair Boy
    Here is my bike almost finished I just need a new chain and I to install the pedals.
    Looks very nice, but... that seat angle looks terrible! Best advice I've ever got from the "old roadie" group, "if you're seats not comfortable when level it's time for a new seat." Lots of power is wasted trying to keep your arse on a slanted saddle that could be spent propelling the bike forward... if that matters to you.

    Regarding the FSA cranks, very bling looking! However isn't their "real" weight more than the Dues... again if that matters to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris
    Looks very nice, but... that seat angle looks terrible! Best advice I've ever got from the "old roadie" group, "if you're seats not comfortable when level it's time for a new seat." Lots of power is wasted trying to keep your arse on a slanted saddle that could be spent propelling the bike forward... if that matters to you.

    Regarding the FSA cranks, very bling looking! However isn't their "real" weight more than the Dues... again if that matters to you.
    I forget the numbers but the didgital scale I cheked them on had them at 4 grams heavier than an 06 XTR set that I was comparing them to. I thought the 4 grams was worth it to not have another shimano part on my bike. Still waiting for the XO front der to come out. As for the seat I have tried numerous sadles and never found one that I like when its level. The seat I have on my bike now is not the most comfortable but it is pretty good considering its weight. If I could find a reasonably light seat that I could run level that would be great but so far I never found one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Hair Boy
    The seat I have on my bike now is not the most comfortable but it is pretty good considering its weight. If I could find a reasonably light seat that I could run level that would be great but so far I never found one.
    I've gone around and around and around trying new seats and different seats (including one of those SLR's) and keep ending up back with a basic smooth leather Selle Italia Flite Ti as the best fit to my anatomy. I found that the SLR was especially uncomfortable when you're back off the saddle and gripping the seat with your thighs. Obviously roadies don't do that or they'd have left some sides on the saddle. The one other saddle that actually is pretty comfy and might work for you is the Selle Italia Nova, it has extra padding on the nose of the saddle for being forward on the seat while climbing when seated. I'm running one of those on my Slayer.

    If you're having consistent problems with having too much weight on the nose of any saddle when it's level you might need an extra half inch or so of bar height
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    I would actualy like to get my bars lower. Right now the way they are my brake levers and stem just barely clear the top tube so I can't get them any lower. I don't like my bars realy high like the current trend. I have thought about trying one of the noseless saddles.

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    Here's a new pic of my ETSX. I just threw on the new XTR pedals and a Chris King headset. I Finally have the setup exactly how I wanted it. Here's my build and a few pics:

    2006 Rocky Mountain ETSX-50 Build

    FRAME : Easton 7005 FS Custom Ultralite
    SHOCK : Fox Float RP3
    FORK : Fox Talas RL
    BRAKE CALIPERS : Shimano XTR BR-M965 Hydraulic
    ROTORS : Shimano XT
    REAR DERAILLEUR : Shimano XTR RD-M960
    FRONT DERAILLEUR : Shimano XTR
    CRANKSET : Shimano XTR FC-M960
    HEADSET : Chris King No Threadset
    SHIFTERS : Shimano XTR M965 Dual Control
    CASSETTE : Shimano XTR 9 Speed ,11-34
    CHAIN : SRAM PC991 Hollowpin
    WHEELS : Mavix Crossmax XL
    TIRES : Panaracer Fire XC, 26x2.1, 127 TPI Casing
    TUBES : Specialized Turbo Tube
    HANDLEBAR : RaceFace Next SL, 25.4mm
    STEM : Thomson X-2, 100mm, 25.4mm
    SADDLE : Selle Italia SLR Gel Flow
    SEATPOST : RaceFace Next SL, 27.2, 350mm
    PEDALS : Shimano XTR PD-M970
    GRIPS : Oury Lock-on Grips, Hope Grip Doctor End Caps
    SEAT CLAMP : Hope QR
    SKEWERS : Hope QR

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    06 Rocky Mountain ETSX - Full XTR, Fox Shox, Crossmax XL Wheels

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    Looking really nice Ice25gt!


    OK, it's not quite done yet, but I have made some progress on my ETSX as well... Here are some shots I took yesterday. The steer tube needs to be cut down and the brake hoses could be trimmed. I'm waiting for a new 100mm stem, the shifter, derailleur and casstte to arrive.











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    how much does it weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobba fett
    how much does it weigh?
    I'm not sure if you're asking me, but it is currently ~25-26 lbs with out the shifters, cassette, derailleurs and chain.

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    Viper,

    What kind of hubs are those? I like the custom wheels, did you build them yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron65
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    What kind of hubs are those? I like the custom wheels, did you build them yourself?
    Hey Aaron, Thanks! The hubs are Hope Pro II's, laced with DT Comp double butted spokes to Mavic 819 UST rims. They were build by Universal Cycles in Portland OR.

    Here are a few more shots for you











    Well, I got the rest of my parts today, but I ordered the wrong typr of front derailleur. I did not know I needed a Top Swing/Low mount type for the ETSX...

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    Viper,

    Thanks for the additional pics! That is the same wheelset I have been thinking of putting on my ETSX, see this thread.

    Crossmax ST ??? Hope/Mavic 819

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron65
    Viper,

    Thanks for the additional pics! That is the same wheelset I have been thinking of putting on my ETSX, see this thread.

    Crossmax ST ??? Hope/Mavic 819

    I seen that thread while I was researching my wheels..

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    front derailluer size etsx

    what size is for a front der. etsx 2006 model. top or bottom swing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobba fett
    what size is for a front der. etsx 2006 model. top or bottom swing?

    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick
    You are correct. The ETSX needs a top pull, top swing 34.9mm diameter clamp (31.8mm pre 2005).

    Karl

    According to Karwick, a 2006 is a 34.9 Top swing... I should have paid more attention to the top swing part....

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    I think a new page needs a picture.





    The Front D is a going back for the required Top Swing model. The Rear D is a RD M970 (Rapid Rise) which was suppose to be a High normal... I don't know if I should keep it....?

    To down shift (bigger cog) it requires the trigger finger. While this felt strange at first, it actually seems to require less hand movement to shift, and seems pretty effortless. Seeing as 07 XTR allows 2 cogs per pull, 3 quick taps gets you from one end to the other with less movement than 2 thumb pushes. The thumb lever requires more travel to engage and push, but it does pull 3 cogs at a time. But in practice it would seem the triggers could shift faster then the thumbs, or be the same.

    The biggest thing is the trigger lever can be pulled or pushed, so basically it can be a thumb lever as well. So by using the rapid rise RD, it makes both shifters operate the same, that is the thumb levers up shifts, and the triggers down shifts. Also making this more intuitive to me is my Campagnolo Record Ergo shifter operate in much the same way. The thumb shifter up shift, while the index (triggers) down shift.

    The only thing I don't fully understand is they say a Rapid Rise RD helps in Down shifting and making it smoother... How is that? I know the spring tension pulls the derailleur to the largest cog, but it would seem the the spring tension is a lot weaker than an actual cable pull, so if the RD didn't want to down shift under load, it would seem the cable pull is more forceful , in forcing the shift, where as the weaker spring tension of the rapid rise would just skip along in the chain's current position, until it wanted to shift.... Somebody help me understand how a Rapid Rise is better at downshifting.
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    I cut the steer tube and installed the star nut, then mounted the levers to play some more to imagine how the shifting configuration would work.








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    I had a Spec Epic. Thanks to John he let me try his ETSX 70, & i was hooked. I almost pulled the trigger on an ETSX 70, but was torn between that and an Ibis Mojo. Personally it does'nt matter if you can get a good deal, what matters is how comfortable you are on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarsellone
    I had a Spec Epic. Thanks to John he let me try his ETSX 70, & i was hooked. I almost pulled the trigger on an ETSX 70, but was torn between that and an Ibis Mojo. Personally it does'nt matter if you can get a good deal, what matters is how comfortable you are on the bike.
    Admit it you still wish you had become one of the X men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobba fett
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    Thanks! I swapped ou tthe 120mm Thomson for a 100mm Race Face Deus XC





    I'm not sure why, but I sort of liked the feel of the 120 slightly more. Must be the Roadie in me



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    Admit it you still wish you had become one of the X men.

    I never though of us as that..... I like it!!

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    Anybody using a Rapid Rise Derailleur on their X-Machine?

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    I had a 960 series XTR rapid rise on mine at first but it sure seemed to have a lot of ghost shifting. I swapped it for a SRAM X-0 and X-0 triggers and all the same cable routing and housings and all my ghost shifting issues went away.

    The only PITA about the X-0 and X-9 rear derailleurs is that the nut end of a QR will not slide out past the derailleur pivot, you end up having to remove the QR to get the wheel out. Or have a QR axle with a small diameter nut. I have the same issue with the X-9 on the 2006 Slayer as well.

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    I had read earlier versions of the Rapid Rise were problematic... Yet they are still touted as the better down shifter of the two.

    I tend to think down shifting (moving a chain up bigger cogs) is the harder of the two actions, as such a cable pulling the derailleur up the cogs, will produce more consistent results than a spring, When push comes to shove, the spring may not push the chain up the cogs if it's obstructed or if the cable is sticky, where as a cable pull will force the derailleur in position most times.

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    One thing I sort of like with the rapid rise is it uses the triggers shifters to down shift, which seems to take less effort or hand movement to shift versus the thumbs. Downs shifts seem like they would be very fast. Additionally with 07 XTR, you can push or pull the trigger to down shift....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The only PITA about the X-0 and X-9 rear derailleurs is that the nut end of a QR will not slide out past the derailleur pivot, you end up having to remove the QR to get the wheel out. Or have a QR axle with a small diameter nut. I have the same issue with the X-9 on the 2006 Slayer as well.
    I haven't encountered that issue, with either Shimano or SRAM QRs. What QRs are you using?

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    Mavic, Easton and Syncros skewers. They just about drop out but not quite, likely less than 2mm of conflict over territory. I suppose I could just grind a flat spot on one side of the nut.

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    I use a 07 xtr rapid rise with xt dual control shifters. No problems with ghost shifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobba fett
    I use a 07 xtr rapid rise with xt dual control shifters. No problems with ghost shifting.

    Good to hear So does it really work will in down shifting? How do you like using the 2 step triggers of the 07 XTR with Rapid Rise?

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    I use 06 XT dual control shiftters and they work fine. i would like to try the 07 dual control xtr though.

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    Ah, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The only PITA about the X-0 and X-9 rear derailleurs is that the nut end of a QR will not slide out past the derailleur pivot, you end up having to remove the QR to get the wheel out. Or have a QR axle with a small diameter nut. I have the same issue with the X-9 on the 2006 Slayer as well.
    Like kwarwick I haven't encountered that issue also. I have a 2004 ETSX-70, the rear derailleur is 2006 X.0 and the wheels/quick releases are 2004 Mavic Crossmax SL.
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    With the shape of the front of the dropout slot on my 2004 frame, it just hung up releasing the hub by about 1mm or so when the QR nut hits the derailleur pivot. To clear the derailleur pivot it needs to move forward and around the pivot instead of dropping straight out. And the hub would not be far enough out of the slot to do that. That's a Mavic Crossmax QR nut in the picture. The new carbon swingarm has a different slot shape at the front that opens up faster so I haven't had this same problem with my 2007 frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    With the shape of the front of the dropout slot on my 2004 frame, it just hung up releasing the hub by about 1mm or so when the QR nut hits the derailleur pivot. To clear the derailleur pivot it needs to move forward and around the pivot instead of dropping straight out. And the hub would not be far enough out of the slot to do that. That's a Mavic Crossmax QR nut in the picture. The new carbon swingarm has a different slot shape at the front that opens up faster so I haven't had this same problem with my 2007 frame.
    Thats funny my Cross Max QR's( I have had 3 diferent sets) never caused that problem with my XO set up. In fact if I did not have a good hold of the wheel when I opened them with the bike in the stand the wheel would fall out.
    I wonder if your frame was missaligned some how.

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    Great builds everyone... I'm still new to RM's, but I really like what I've seen so far. Here's my 05' ETSX-70:



    ETSX-70 frame
    Fox rp3
    Fox Talas RLC
    Bontrager Race-Lite tubeless wheelset
    Race Face Dues XC crank and BB
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    Race Face Dues XC riser bar
    Race Face Dues 110 Stem
    Shimano XT hydro brakes
    Formula 8" front rotor, 7" rear
    Salsa trials bashguard
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    ^^^ Shes's a beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Hair Boy
    Thats funny my Cross Max QR's( I have had 3 diferent sets) never caused that problem with my XO set up. In fact if I did not have a good hold of the wheel when I opened them with the bike in the stand the wheel would fall out.
    I wonder if your frame was missaligned some how.
    Maybe a different dropout slot shape, my bike was from the first production run of '04 ETSX frames? It would only have taken this much difference in the slot shape to clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZX


    Anybody using a Rapid Rise Derailleur on their X-Machine?

    wwwooowww! super mega retro ETSX !! nice Bike!! Congrats!
    I love you this Frame!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack Sparrow
    wwwooowww! super mega retro ETSX !! nice Bike!! Congrats!
    I love you this Frame!!!

    Thanks, Captain Jack I looking forawrd to riding it real soon

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