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    2014 Rocky Mountain Instinct

    Any opinions?
    I am considering the Instinct 930 or 950
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    If you want the dropper post you'll need to step up the 970MSL. The essential ride quality/character is the same as the 2013 model. Have a read through these threads...

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    I too am very interested in this bike. I currently own a santa cruz nomad and am wanting to get something with bigger wheels that will pedal a little better. How capable is this bike as an all mountain bike? I would probably run a pike fork with it. Can the instinct ride as aggressively as a Tallboy LTc? I had a chance to demo the LTc which I really enjoyed. However, I am kind of in between sizes on the santa cruz. The large rode great but is a little too small in the cockpit and the XL feels too tall. I really like the look of the rocky frames.

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    I test rode a 2013 Instinct 950 today. Granted I rode it on pavement, it was rough beat up pavement. The bike was a bit stiff, but was very smooth. The shock operated exactly when it needed to, and helped push the rear wheel down when climbing. I want this bike!

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    I test rode the 2013 970 and loved it. It went up much better than my Giant Reign, and for me, descended just as well, and in some conditions better. The bike was set up more in the "climb" setting of Ride 9 but it still felt nice and stable.

    The place where I saw a downhill advantage over my Giant was on steeper roll downs, braking bumps, and medium size obstacles. The trail I tested on had some tight sections, but nothing super tight so I cannot comment on really tight single track.

    Up hill it was no contest. My Giant requires lots of body movement to keep the front down while tech climbing, but the Instinct just crawled up everything.

    I liked the ride enough that I ordered a 970 MSL for this upcoming season. It looks like I missed out on the initial run so no bike till spring, but I can't wait.

    (I was originally going to get the 950 MSL, but I would have added a dropper post anyways, and then the difference in price for the carbon rear triangle and all XT was too good to pass up)

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    My 2014 Instinct 999 MSL frame arrived today. 2460gms (5.42 pounds) in an 18.5" (large).
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    Beauty of a frame...on the verge of ordering one myself and building it up as a nimble trail-bomb with a 140mm pike upfront, and a 2x10 drive.

    Enjoy yours!

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    I am still wondering if I should go Full Suspension. I know that they have better traction and comfort, but hardtails are simpler to maintain and the steel hardtails I have been looking at: El Mariachi, Honzo, Trans-Am 29, ROS9 are less money than any full suspension bike while packing better components for the price.
    I don't know what I will choose, but I still have a while to wait, as I am continuously putting money into my Cobia

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    The only reason to go full suspension from a hardtail is if your typical trails justify it. And the only way to know for sure is to take someone's full suspension bike on your typical trails and compare the experience. The Instinct wouldn't be the obvious choice if a hardtail is what you've been riding on those trails, an Element would be a better choice. 130mm travel bike is a huge jump (so to speak) from a hardtail, in weight and travel.
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    I am currently riding a 29er transition bandit with a 140mm fork. I am either swapping that setup to an instinct frame, or i'll buy myself an altitude rally edition and change it to a 2x10 speed...sure the altitude is more bombproof and will be more nimble, but i am just not sure if i wont miss the 29er momentum in the more XC-trails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    The only reason to go full suspension from a hardtail is if your typical trails justify it. And the only way to know for sure is to take someone's full suspension bike on your typical trails and compare the experience. The Instinct wouldn't be the obvious choice if a hardtail is what you've been riding on those trails, an Element would be a better choice. 130mm travel bike is a huge jump (so to speak) from a hardtail, in weight and travel.
    I ride my hardtail on the trails but not on all, due to roughness. I can ride everything but jumps and really rocky technical stuff. That was why I was thinking of a longer travel steel hardtail instead.

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    Nice frame Rocky, Don't forget to put up a pic of the complete bike.

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    When are you opening up a dealership then Rockyuphill. That must be you 8th/9th RM? I'm losing track! I've only got 3 and struggle to know which one to take out
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    I try to keep it around 6 assembled bikes. :-) The Instinct 970 will be replaced by the Instinct 999 MSL version.

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    When are you opening up a dealership then Rockyuphill. That must be you 8th/9th RM? I'm losing track! I've only got 3 and struggle to know which one to take out
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    I found out some useful info.

    The 130mm travel Instincts use a 32mm fork with 44mm offset (rake).

    The 140mm x 34mm fork on the BC edition uses the 51mm offset (rake) to speed up the handling to compensate for the longer travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    I found out some useful info.

    The 130mm travel Instincts use a 32mm fork with 44mm offset (rake).

    The 140mm x 34mm fork on the BC edition uses the 51mm offset (rake) to speed up the handling to compensate for the longer travel.
    first of all, congratulations to your beautiful Instinct MSL. This thing rocks!!

    Thanks for your Information about the offset used on the BC Edit.

    Here in Europe the Frameset is available end of April/Mai, and way too expensive.... :-((

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    Still doubting between this beauty and the altitude rally edition...damn, what a luxury dilemma :s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philledan View Post
    Still doubting between this beauty and the altitude rally edition...damn, what a luxury dilemma :s
    I would choose the Instinct, as it has a 140mm fork and 130mm shock. As well as being a 29er.

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    Some progress on the assembly, installing Gore Ride-On cables, so that's taking a while to get sorted. But coming together. I'm using my last 3x9 drivetrain for now as it was the lightest one I had with the low gearing I wanted. Maybe a 1x11 is in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    Some progress on the assembly, installing Gore Ride-On cables, so that's taking a while to get sorted. But coming together. I'm using my last 3x9 drivetrain for now as it was the lightest one I had with the low gearing I wanted. Maybe a 1x11 is in the future.
    Rocky, I'm running 1x11 with a 26t front chainring from wolf tooth components on my altitude. I think this would be a good setup for a 29'er as well. Really happy with the performance of the wolf tooth.

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    OK, all built with the Gore cables all sorted...

    25.99 pounds ready to roll.
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    Nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    OK, all built with the Gore cables all sorted...

    25.99 pounds ready to roll.
    Sweet bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    OK, all built with the Gore cables all sorted...

    25.99 pounds ready to roll.
    beautiful!!

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    New Rocky Instinct MSL video

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    Your pictures and that video makes waiting for my 970 MSL even more difficult.

    Looking at the pictures Wade is running Marzocchi fork and something non-fox rear shock. Anyone know which fork and rear shock? I am assuming it is a sponsorship thing, but maybe a preference?

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    In the end I only poached the Fox Float 130mm x 32mm fork from the Instinct 970 to assemble the 999 MSL, so I had a mostly built Instinct 970 that needed a fork. And then I happened to find a brand shiny new Fox 34 Float 29 fork on sale so I figured, "Hey, I could BC Edition-ify the Instinct 970 to make it more marketable here." So here is the Instinct 970 with the burly fork and some chubby and sticky tires, a Maxxis Minion DHR rear and a Schwalbe Hans Dampf front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    In the end I only poached the Fox Float 130mm x 32mm fork from the Instinct 970 to assemble the 999 MSL, so I had a mostly built Instinct 970 that needed a fork. And then I happened to find a brand shiny new Fox 34 Float 29 fork on sale so I figured, "Hey, I could BC Edition-ify the Instinct 970 to make it more marketable here." So here is the Instinct 970 with the burly fork and some chubby and sticky tires, a Maxxis Minion DHR rear and a Schwalbe Hans Dampf front.
    That 970 LT Instinct you built up looks tough.

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    It's a subtle but noticeable change in head angle and BB height. It doesn't capture as well as I'd like in the photos because the 970 is leaning slightly against the 999 to keep them from falling over.

    If I measure the actual BB centre height, the 970 has a BB height of 13.125" and the 999 MSL is 13.1875". The bigger tires on the 970 will play into that as well.

    Normally the slack head angle Ride 9 Setting 6 has a 39.6mm BB drop and the more XC Setting 1 had a 68.5deg headangle and a 30mm BB drop. With the longer fork, in the setting 6 position, the BB drop is closer to 30mm. The Setting 6 on the 970 with the long fork has a head angle closer to 67.5deg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    It's a subtle but noticeable change in head angle and BB height. It doesn't capture as well as I'd like in the photos because the 970 is leaning slightly against the 999 to keep them from falling over.

    If I measure the actual BB centre height, the 970 has a BB height of 13.125" and the 999 MSL is 13.1875". The bigger tires on the 970 will play into that as well.

    Normally the slack head angle Ride 9 Setting 6 has a 39.6mm BB drop and the more XC setting had 30mm BB drop. With the longer fork, in the setting 6 position, the BB drop is closer to 30mm.
    That is a nice stable. Carbon 130mm racing bike and a 140/130mm Alloy play bike.
    I am jealous.

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    Well, realistically I expect the 970 LT BC edition will be finding a new home in the next little while...
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    Rockyuphill, on your new carbon Instinct, is the first water bottle location more usable than last year? Any contact with the shock when taking a bottle out? And there's a second bottle mount on the down-tube right?

    Trying to figure out my bike for the spring, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with an Instinct 970 MSL.

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    I don't use water bottles, I'm a hydration pack sort of guy, so I couldn't say for sure. There is another WB mount location on the bottom of the downtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    My 2014 Instinct 999 MSL frame arrived today. 2460gms (5.42 pounds) in an 18.5" (large).
    Hi
    I have the RM instinct on my short list of 29ers and was reading this thread.
    I see you got the large frame. How tall are you?
    Thanks

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    6'-1" tall, fits well with a 90mm stem, the 70mm stem it shipped with made it too cramped.
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    My Large Instinct 970 MSL arrived Saturday (I wasn't expecting it until the spring) along with a whole bunch of snow.

    So now I need to figure out the minimum distance I need to drive south to give it a first ride.

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    Resurrecting this thread! Really interested in the 999 MSL Instinct frameset. At my height it's all about the XXL.

    Are you guys finding that you have used Ride-9 to your advantage?

    I hear good things about the pivot system too.

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    As a clyde, I like that I can lower the postition of the shock and use less air pressure for my weight. Of course the ability to change the geometry speaks for itself. I have kind of settled on one setting and doubt I'll change it much.

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    I've been riding my medium 999 MSL Instinct for a couple of months now and am very happy. I've tried three Ride 9 settings and settled on one that gives a 13.5" BB height. Seems perfect for my trails.
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    I have the 13' 950 and I love it! I use it in full climb here in VT but in Utah I had it set at half. It was perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtchopper View Post
    I have the 13' 950 and I love it! I use it in full climb here in VT but in Utah I had it set at half. It was perfect.
    Where in VT do you ride? I ride @ Pine Hill Park and the STAB trails.

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    I guess that there is no way to order a 999 frame on the internet, or is it? I do not live in the USA.

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    Where are you located?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Where in VT do you ride? I ride @ Pine Hill Park and the STAB trails.
    Im on the board of STAB so those are my home trails.. I usually hit Woodstock, and Pittsfield on off days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtchopper View Post
    Im on the board of STAB so those are my home trails.. I usually hit Woodstock, and Pittsfield on off days!
    By Woodstock, do you mean the trails at the aqueduct?

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    Can anyone tell me what crown offset is used on the Instinct BC edition?

    Thanks.

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    I'm looking at Instinct's geometry and quite surprised with it! ETT (effective tip tube) is quite short in my opinion. I compared it with those Track EX, Scott Genius and Specialized Stampjumper FSR from the first post. All these bikes have longer ETT.
    You, guys, who's riding RM Instinct, do you have any problems with that shorten ETT?

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    I have done 240'000 ft ascent in the past 4 months with my new carbon Instinct, and no problems with the geometry. However, see this issue which was annoying but easily resolved.

    Also, I am currently noticing some worrisome bobbing of the fork (Magura eLect) when braking during long downhill tarmac stretches at 40-50km/h. But that may be an issue with the fork or (more probably) the brakes rather than the frame.

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    I own a carbon Instinct and agree that the ETT is a little on the short side. I'm 5'9" and have a medium frame. To feel comfortable, I had to slide the seat back, but also trimmed the bars to 720mm.

    I realize I could be riding a large, but am glad I chose medium for the shorter wheel base. As for the ride, I couldn't be happier - it's technically very capable for such a fast bike. The Ride 9 system is brilliant.

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    I'm 6'1'' and ride and XL. Have never noticed a short TT or thought it was a detriment. With those big wheel it seems right to me.
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    And did enyone of you have the problems with ABC™ PIVOTS? I mean strange noises, fast wear or something else.

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    I have a 2013 950. The only issue I had is that when I had my shock off, I was baffled at how difficult it was to cycle the suspension, it was VERY stiff. I ignored it for a couple of months and then I mentioned in a thread here. I recieved a PM by a member who works at RM and he suggested I take it to my LBS and have them call RM and talk to a specific person.
    Apparrantly, they had a known problem with the ABC hardware (the aluminum bushings that ride on the ABC bushings), it was either a machining issue or a finish issue (I think it was the finish) that caused a lot lof friction. They sent out a new set and it was a night and day difference.

    So other than that.....and well, the o-rings that only last about a month, I haven't had any other issues.

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    I am surprised that the bolts and pivots are already corroded and rusty. This is after only three months, and the bike is always in the garage and gets a wash every second week. Clearly the bolts are not of the best material.

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    Hi guys
    I need some info

    - I'm 172cm (5,64"), size S is ok?
    - the internal cable routing in the carbon frame is good or make noise?
    - the rear frame accepts the schwalbe hans dampf 2,35? Problems with mud?
    Tnks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by domingosh View Post
    Hi guys
    I need some info

    - I'm 172cm (5,64"), size S is ok?
    - the internal cable routing in the carbon frame is good or make noise?
    - the rear frame accepts the schwalbe hans dampf 2,35? Problems with mud?
    Tnks!
    Small should work. The Instinct should be able to fit a Hans Dampf, it comes with a 2.35 wide tyre already, so a Hans Dampf should work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domingosh View Post
    Hi guys
    I need some info

    - I'm 172cm (5,64"), size S is ok?
    - the internal cable routing in the carbon frame is good or make noise?
    - the rear frame accepts the schwalbe hans dampf 2,35? Problems with mud?
    Tnks!
    You COULD ride a medium, but I would suggest a small.

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    2014 Rocky Mountain Instinct

    Quote Originally Posted by domingosh View Post
    Hi guys
    I need some info

    - I'm 172cm (5,64"), size S is ok?
    I (5.5) rode S and M Instincts. I found my Position on size S a little bit cramped.
    Size S with longer Stem and ~68 deg HTA doesn't work in my opinion.

    Hope you can ride one before you buy!

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    Two dealers say me "M" for me
    Now, I ride a Canyon spectral 29" alu with pike 140 (upgrade of Fox32), size S (on web site, you can see all informations, but they are not exacts)
    If I see all the techs (geometry, reach, OV), I need a "S"; but, all the people say me "M"
    I hope in the next weeks try a Instinct 2014 size M

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    Domingosh, at 172cm or 5 feet 7 inches, you'd definitely be on at least a medium, a small would be too small. I would even try a large with a super short stem before buying. A shorter stem with a full length handlebar will make the steering feel snappier.

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    Has anyone used different rear shocks on theres? I have the fox ctd and I have the compression turned all the way in I would love more adjustment.

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    I plan to replace the CTD with the new electronic magura rear shock as soon as it's available. I have the magura electronic fork and it's great.

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    I might have to go to my lbs and see one of these bikes first hand. I am currently on a lynskey pro 29sl and to be honest my local trails are changing and calling for full suspension.

    The last fs bike I had was a 26'' santa cruz carbon blur. I put a 120mm fork on it and it was great!!! I am very cautious getting a 130 mm travel bike???

    Is 130mm travel the new sweet spot for 29ers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridefast84 View Post
    I might have to go to my lbs and see one of these bikes first hand. I am currently on a lynskey pro 29sl and to be honest my local trails are changing and calling for full suspension.

    The last fs bike I had was a 26'' santa cruz carbon blur. I put a 120mm fork on it and it was great!!! I am very cautious getting a 130 mm travel bike???

    Is 130mm travel the new sweet spot for 29ers?
    120-140 is really the new "Sweet spot" as you say, for 29ers.
    The Instinct is different than most others because of the Ride9 link (adjustable geometry), and the really good spec you get with it. I think the 2015 Instinct 930 now has an air fork.

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    I just ordered a medium 970 MSL. What's the stem lengt on the medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trudo View Post
    I just ordered a medium 970 MSL. What's the stem lengt on the medium?
    Probably around 80-90mm. That's just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Probably around 80-90mm. That's just a guess.
    No the Instinct come with 60mm to 80 mm stem depending of the size. The medium is probably 60 or 70 mm.

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    I just ordered a medium 970 MSL. What's the stem lengt on the medium?
    I have 70 mm stem on my Instinct 950 in medium size.

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    The Large came with a 70mm stem as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yurkiy View Post
    I have 70 mm stem on my Instinct 950 in medium size.
    Thanks. Perfect for me.

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    I love mine for a race bike. Just did the first race on is took 4th in mens open at the Epic rides tour of the white mountains. I raced a superfly 100 for a bit was to flexy for me the I went to a carbon hartail. I got beat up pretty bad some days, but it was fast. I decided to try the Element right now its built up at 24.5 lbs and its as fast as my ht uphill and way faster through the rough. Very happy with this bike. Attachment 929440
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    Hey guy's, after some advice regarding sizing. I'm 182cm or bang on 6 foot. I demo'd a large instinct the other day and it felt okay ie. nothing felt to small, but I've been doing too much reading in recent days about short top tube lengths on the instinct and am now wondering whether I would be better of getting an XL. Any advice?

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    Unless you have telescopic arms I can't imagine you'd feel comfortable on an XL Instinct at 6' tall. The stem on the large Instinct is already just 70mm long, and the top tube on the XL is 25mm longer than the L, so you really can't shorten the stem any more. At 6' tall the Large really is the optimum size,
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    Thanks for the advice. I certainly didn't feel cramped on the large but too much reading about short top tubes is doing my head in. I'm coming off a 26 inch large Trek Remedy and was comparing top tube lengths and reach values. Always felt very slightly cramped on the remedy and the large rocky mountain has slightly shorter values.

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    I put a 90mm stem on my Large Instinct. At 6-1" it feels perfect, the stock stem felt a little short

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    Too much reading can make you nuts. I have a element 999 in large with the stock stem which is about 100mm. I rode a large instinct bc around at a bike shop and it felt awesome. It had a 75mm stem on it I think. Then I read on the rocky site the instinct top tube is shorter than the element so how is it possible that I could have such a short stem on it and still fit. The guys at rocky said with the ride 9 you can really adjust the reach so who knows.

    I am just over 6 foot maybe 6 '1 if that matters.

    Waiting for my bike to be delivered now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caeneus View Post
    Hey guy's, after some advice regarding sizing. I'm 182cm or bang on 6 foot. I demo'd a large instinct the other day and it felt okay ie. nothing felt to small, but I've been doing too much reading in recent days about short top tube lengths on the instinct and am now wondering whether I would be better of getting an XL. Any advice?
    I'm 6'2" and I ride a large 950; the fit is pretty good (basically on the tight side, as I have to run my 125mm dropper at minimum seatpost insertion, but it keeps my weight far enough forward that I still get great grip at speed and over sketchy stuff). For me with the stock stem that cockpit is pretty dialed, I'd need to run a shorter stem if I went to the XL.

    For me to want to move to an XL I'd only want to do so if I was putting a 140-150mm fork on it and wanting to fix that axle-crown change in the geometry as much as possible by lowering the headset stack and shortening the stem all at once, and I'd want a longer top tube - and my only reason for doing that would be to try and clone Grunion's build (get the 950MSL, run a Pike in 140), but I just don't spend enough time hitting heavy enough stuff to feel that the stock form 950 is in any way inadequate - the spec on the bike is so good I'll never go lower, and because I tend to ride weight farther back the 32mm stantion fork actually works fine despite my kitted up weight being north of 250lb.

    Riding style does have some to do with it, but that relatively compressed feeling top tube makes it a much more confident and nimble bike on flowy downhill, and it's still plenty comfortable for my big self to put in 40mi days.
    [ETA] I'm running the Ride9 in the fat kid + slack spot (one tick forward, one tick down on the edge), so that contributes to how the reach feels; I'm also relatively long-legged, but 34" inseam isn't outside normal for 6'2".

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    Thanks for the advice guys. Just to clarify I guess, I'm deciding between a second hand 950 in a L, a second hand 950 MSL in an XL or a new 970 MSL BC in a large. So the BC runs the 34 inch 140mm Fox fork and the others will obviously run the 130mm 32 inch. Our local trail networks are rock strewn single track with some technical natural and man made rock features mixed in so the 34 inch fork eats this up. I'm leaning towards the new BC 970 in a large at the moment as I've ridden the 990 MSL BC and it felt okay. The XL would be a blind purchase as it's out of town and I've only seen photos not been able to ride it. Local dealers advice is a large definitely so I guess everyone is pointing me in the same direction.

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    If you can go BC, do it. I suspect part of the reason I'm so happy with mine despite the Fox32 fork despite being a tubby grizzly bear by comparison is that the short ETT means my mass is centered further back. Bigger bars, a setup that can immediately get converted to 1x10 11-42T, and little details like 29x2.4" tires on Flox EX rims really make that BC edition more attractive across the board... but the base 950 is still nothing to sneeze at, and for 2014 was simply the best specced bike with an MSRP under $3500.

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    Just got me a 2014 999msl frame on a killer deal..

    They forgot to throw the BB cable entry grommet in the box


    Also.. wtf does the rear brake hose run down the right of the down tube? For us that run rear/left lever setup it's such an akward bend of the hose onto the bar.

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    Great thread, these are awesome bikes. I am looking at a 2014 instinct BC edition and have a few questions. I am 5'10" and the bike is a medium, would this be a good fit or would a large be better? I know the top tube is not the longest and I am used to a longer tob tube on previous bikes. Also, how capable is this thing? I do up to 5' drops ( not that often but I do them on occasion) and also hit various bike parks. Can this hold up to that kind of riding or should I be looking at an altitude? I just love the look of the instinct and from what i read it sounds very capable, especially the BC edition. Thanks!

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    I'm 5'6" and i'm just between the small and medium. I had taken the medium. I had tried the small but too short and I have back pain on it. So I think you are better with a large.

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    As far as the rear end is concerned, it's seriously capable. I dropped a 150mm Pike RC onto the front of mine, and haven't looked back. I'm only doing 3-4' drops myself, but I'm also bringing another 80lb of mass into every big landing, and it's going just fine... but that's not to say that an altitude wouldn't be better suited to bike park use. I'd say the Altitude Rally, potentially in Large is where to look considering that input that you prefer longer bikes, and for bike park type stuff if you're really sending it the Altitude (especially Rally edition) is going to be a more enjoyable bike most likely.

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    Just put wheels on mine for the first time and took it for a test.. Used the old cockpit from my 429C and wow the geo is very different for the same frame size!

    Although the reach is the same, it's so tight from knees to bars.. Going to take some getting used to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    Just put wheels on mine for the first time and took it for a test.. Used the old cockpit from my 429C and wow the geo is very different for the same frame size!

    Although the reach is the same, it's so tight from knees to bars.. Going to take some getting used to!

    I'm very interested to know your impression after 2 weeks now...I just sold my 429c and seriously think to buy an instinct 999 MSL 2K15...

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    2014 Rocky Mountain Instinct

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    I'm very interested to know your impression after 2 weeks now...I just sold my 429c and seriously think to buy an instinct 999 MSL 2K15...
    Epic... Absolutely epic!

    I rode all sorts of gnarly trails on my pivot, but this just does it 10 times easier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    Epic... Absolutely epic!

    I rode all sorts of gnarly trails on my pivot, but this just does it 10 times easier!
    In what aspect your 429c was better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedi77racer View Post
    In what aspect your 429c was better?
    None really tbh, the dw link rear end was niiice but the rocky us so Damn plush it's not funny! Love it to bits

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    What are the shock dimensions for a 2014 instinct MSL?

    Hi All,

    I was looking for an Instinct MSL frame to build up, but i was i was lucky to an amazing deal on 2014 MSL 970 which came in cheaper than a frameset. I have stripped out most of the factory components, built it up with X01/ XX1 drivetrain, command post for the reverb and 140 pike and i'm looking to change the shock out too as i'm not fussed about having another remote on the handlebars. I'm probably going with rockshox or fox piggy back shock but i cannont find the shock dimensions anywhere. I know i'm being lazy and i could whip the shock off and measure it but i'm hoping someone here can tell me what they are.

    Thanks in advance : )

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    You don't have to take the shock off to measure it, just measure centre to centre of the shock bolts. You can just get the shock serviced and have them change it to the shock mounted CTD lever.

    Piggy back shock isn't a big advantage with the suspension leverage ratio of the Smooth Link suspension. You don't need more mid range tunability or adjustable bottom out resistance, or more big hit capacity in the shock, as the suspension leverage ratio falls off towards the end of travel so it takes more effort to compress the shock near the end of travel. That makes it feel bottomless without wallowing in the mid travel range.

    You also need to be careful about switching to a shock body that is too big near the frame mount or you could have interference.
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    Agreed - the larger (diameter) shock body is most likely to produce interference issues if you run it in the slack setting - which is logically the Ride9 arrangment that makes the most sense if you'd want to run a big volume can anyway.
    If you're shelling out that sort of money anyway, I'd try for the RT3 Monarch in a similar configuration to the one used on the '15 990 BC edition.

    To be honest, the strength of the leverage ratio curve of the Instinct's iteration of the smoothlink 4-link setup is that the linear-to-rampy travel progression makes it smooth out small chunder extremely well even with a fair bit of low speed compression dialed in, which allows even budget oriented shocks (like my CTD Evo) to perform really well near the sag point, remain plush through the mid-stroke, and still resist bottoming. This means that the piggyback cans that really shine with regard to maintaining linearity through the mid-stroke don't provide as much improvement on that, except making the last 25% of the travel more cushy on towards the progressive end (stays plusher from 60-90% travel, and still ramps hard for that last 4-5mm of shock travel). If how you're going to use it really leans on that small bit of the performance regime, then go double can for sure - for me personally that's a 3% of the time at best use case, and I'd rather focus on improving snappiness and response across the 15-30% travel range since that's where I spend a lot of time.

    Get a set of calipers and measure it static - that should tell you which one to use (the Alloy Instinct is specced as the 7.5"x2.0" INSTINCT shock in the 2013 technical manual, and this mirrors my own measurements for my 2014 Alloy Instinct, but I'd still measure yourself and find the 2014/2015 tech manual from Rocky).

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    thanks chaps, sounds like a lot of sense. I'll run the stock shock for bit a see how we go.

    thanks for the insight : )

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    Rocky Mountain Instinct 970 MSL BC Custom Build

    Finished stripping and re-building my 970 MSL at the weekend into my version of BC Instinct. Took it to the surrey hills today set up in the neutral position and it really flies.
    I've listed my build spec for anyone who is interested and anyone whos interested. Oh and i think the instinct wins the dubious honour of having the most pane arse shock to remove of any bike i've come across. If you havent done it make sure you put by a couple of hours because your going to have to remove a swing arm at the front and back to do this and its real 3 hand job.

    Anyway the bike's sweet so its worth it

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    Rocky Mountain Instinct MSL 970 BC Medium Frame, Rockshox Monarch Debonair RT3 200x57mm rear shock, 140mm Rockshox Pike RC3 Forks, Specialized 30.9 Command Post + Remote, Fizik Gobi Manganese Saddle, Renthal Fatbar Carbon 750mm, Renthal Apex (upside down) 50mm stem, ODI Rogue grips, Shimano 785 XT brakes, 180mm Shimano Icetech rotors, SRAM XX1 Crankset, Blackspire 32t (76 bcd) Chain Ring, SRAM X01 Shifter, Sram X01 Rear Derailleur, SRAM X01 Cassette, SRAM XX1 Chain, Raceface Aeffect Pedals. Giant P-TRX Wheelset (DT Swiss 240 Hubs, DT Swiss spokes and rims), Specialized Ground Control; 2.3 Grid Tyres tubeless (build Weight 11.9 kg (without pedals)
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    Quote Originally Posted by teknorob View Post
    Finished stripping and re-building my 970 MSL at the weekend into my version of BC Instinct. Took it to the surrey hills today set up in the neutral position and it really flies.
    I've listed my build spec for anyone who is interested and anyone whos interested. Oh and i think the instinct wins the dubious honour of having the most pane arse shock to remove of any bike i've come across. If you havent done it make sure you put by a couple of hours because your going to have to remove a swing arm at the front and back to do this and its real 3 hand job.

    Anyway the bike's sweet so its worth it

    Build spec:
    Rocky Mountain Instinct MSL 970 BC Medium Frame, Rockshox Monarch Debonair RT3 200x57mm rear shock, 140mm Rockshox Pike RC3 Forks, Specialized 30.9 Command Post + Remote, Fizik Gobi Manganese Saddle, Renthal Fatbar Carbon 750mm, Renthal Apex (upside down) 50mm stem, ODI Rogue grips, Shimano 785 XT brakes, 180mm Shimano Icetech rotors, SRAM XX1 Crankset, Blackspire 32t (76 bcd) Chain Ring, SRAM X01 Shifter, Sram X01 Rear Derailleur, SRAM X01 Cassette, SRAM XX1 Chain, Raceface Aeffect Pedals. Giant P-TRX Wheelset (DT Swiss 240 Hubs, DT Swiss spokes and rims), Specialized Ground Control; 2.3 Grid Tyres tubeless (build Weight 11.9 kg (without pedals)
    Your bike looks awesome! I'm jealous.

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    Sweet build - nice!!

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    thanks Chaps much appreciated.

    Its taken a good 3 or 4 months to collect up all the bits, but i was incredibly lucky in that i was able to pick up 2014 model at less the frame only price. I've only ridden about 100 miles since i took the pics around our local trails which are a mix of single track and mini-downhill runs. Its incredibly quick, really comfortable to climb on and inspires confidence which is something my 42 year brain and body seems to require more of. I'm taking it out to Spain in few weeks time to show it some proper mountains where my wifes family live, and i cant wait.

    Thanks again for the comments

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    Nice build. I have a stock Instinct 2014 970 MSL and it's amazing how different the geometry looks on yours. Is your build pretty much the same geometry as the BC Edition would be?

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    The Geo on TeknoRob's is really super close, with little cockpit details being the only difference - the parts spec is a touch nicer, but that's really quite close.

    Honestly, a 140mm Pike makes such a big performance difference that's a big part of the equation (the Fox32 130mm isn't a bad fork, and is impressive for that weight range, but it's not a bomber piece of kit like the Pike is). Going 1x is nice for the chain retention - seems like the Raceface 1x cranksets (even the cheaper Turbine Cinch version) are the best weight/$ ratio out there, X01 cassette and then X1(GX) parts to round it out would probably be totally baller.
    Using the Ride9 to slack the bike out after adding a slightly taller A2C fork keeps the BB nice and low, so they might look different but that's more or less stock - net result is a HTA in the 67.7 kind of range, which in my experience is actually finally slack enough to get me out of trouble in a few spots where I'm riding over my head.

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    hi evilpoot, I think tehllama' hopefully pretty much answered your question. I had the option to go for last 2014 BC edition for £500 more than the 970. I went with the 970 because the spec on last years BC meant i was still going to have to change quite a few parts such losing the 2x10 setup and having been really unimpressed with fox34 (2015 models sound sorted though) i new id want to change the fork for a pike too. On the 2015 BC, RC have dropped the aluminium rear triangle sticking with the identitcal carbon of 2014 models which supposedly makes the back end considerably stiffer.

    Build aside the geo is near on identical and i've ridden just over 200 miles on the bike since my last post, mainly singletrack trails and my local mini downhill stuff. I have been running ride-9 in it in the neutral middle position, so i could get a good feel for the handling before i start tweeking and to be honest i'll probably leave it where it is (68.something degrees) because i'm so impressed with the all round ride. Coming from a stumpy evo expert (with 150 fork on the front) this bike (for me at least) is just about better at everything. It climbs amazing, munches miles at speed and i cant seem to phase it or me with anything i can find to point it down on the descending side. You feel really down in the bike as apposed to perched, its quicker to accelerate and just feels balanced. I have a sketchy back which long rides usually cause a problem with but so far i've had none of this.... This maybe a bit of new bike euphoria so i'll keep you updated as to how its going after 1000 or so miles.

    Only tweaks i've made are to stick 3 bottomless tokens in the pike and flip the stem both of which are personal choices. the ride is hardened a bit but while using all the travel i've yet to bottom it out.

    All depends on your riding but i cant recommend the BC-style kit tweaks highly enough : )

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    Hey lads! What would be the widest tyre possible on an instinct frame?

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