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    2013 vertex: wich one?

    I am going to buy a 2013 Vertex 29er, I have a good price on both top end models.

    I have the spec and both bike have identical (frame, bar, stem, post) but have some "major" differences in the following aspects:

    999 rsl
    -sid xx world cup fork
    -full sram XX
    -dt swiss 1.4 hubs/rims (OEM?)

    990 rsl:
    -sid RL
    -full sram XO (s2200 crank)
    -dt swiss 1.5 hubs/rims (OEM?)

    The bike will be used for a lot of training and racing. I know I like top stuff and LIGHT stuff. I am pretty sure I will be selling some take offs and replace them with lighter components I already have or will purchase like:

    ENVE flat bar (got it)
    temporary KCNC stem (got it)
    when fit is dialed ill get a proper stem (length, rise, weight) (dont have)
    XX gripshift (dont have)
    sram quarq powermeter (got it)
    light seatpost (dont have)
    carbon saddle (got it)

    so I will be selling brand new: bar, stem, saddle, seatpost, triggers, 180mm rotor.

    What would you guys buy? I can have the 999 rsl for 1500$ more then 990 rsl.

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    That looks like something like a 1/2 pound difference in weight of those identified components (wheels and X0 vs XX), but you have different cranks anyway, I would say go with the cheaper one then the only piece with the big upgrade potential is the SID RL to SID XX. World Cup and you could find an even lighter set of wheels than the 1.5's.
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    You're probably going to need new brakes too. I don't know anyone that likes their XX.

    The frames aren't the same color right? They're the same carbon material and geometry but they look different? I'd buy the better looking one and sell off the stuff you don't like.

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    thanks guys

    @ rockyuphill

    is there any major performance difference between the sid RL and xx world cup?
    I cant find anything on the dt swiss 1.5. Do you have any links or details? I have some light hubs here that will be built into a light race only wheelset. Something like crest, dt revolution with my american classic hubs, with light rotors and a XX cassette that I already have here.

    @ limba

    same carbon, same geo, 999 black with a touch of red and 990 black with a touche of blue, I like the blue!

    I like ym XX brakes... I guess the XO are pretty much the same..

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    The SID RL has the alloy crown and steer tube with a remote lockout, where the SID XX WC has the carbon crown steerer, the dampers are the same, so it's just weight.

    From what I've found the 29" DT 1.5 wheels are about 1700gms per pair. So some light Stan's 29" wheels or splurge on 29" carbon wheels and you could get down under 1500gms for sure.
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    thanks rocky

    yup will go with the crest handbuilt, the dt will make nice training wheels I guess.

    I think I'll go with the 990 rsl, a lot cheaper, sram XO is still very good stuff, will ditch the cockpit and post/saddle anyways.

    The sid RL should do the job just fine I guess.

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    What are you doing with your old Vertex? The one you sanded down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    What are you doing with your old Vertex? The one you sanded down.
    no idea

    it will gather dust in the basement I guess...

    bah, maybe I'll take it when its ugly weather (mud, snow, heavy rain) or take it as a spare bike in case my new one has an issue.

    Though I will be selling some parts off it: some new stanz alpine rims, an ENVE setback post, an XT front der, and maybe some small other parts, all cheap, I dont want to be stuck with em.

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    If you buy the frame only is it the black and red one like the 999 or a different color? I don't see the frame only option on the website.

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    That would be consistent with the 29er Element RSL, only the 999 RSL will be a frame only option.
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    IIRC from pricelist it was the 999 so i assume it is the same paintscheme

    Not 100% sure though

    Ill go with the 990rsl

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    oops, need to delete. bikes.com!!!!
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    Anyone else surprised that the cockpit was IMHO downgraded for both the 999 and the 990 Vertex?

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    I personally think stem post bar and wheels were all downgraded from 2012. I wish it still had the 240 hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    I personally think stem post bar and wheels were all downgraded from 2012. I wish it still had the 240 hubs
    You are talking about the 990 on the wheels right? The 999 will still have the 240's

    Good thing I just picked up a 2012, I was hesitant, but with the 2013 finally out and in my opinion a big downgrade over 2012 on the 990 it was a good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grendalfly View Post
    You are talking about the 990 on the wheels right? The 999 will still have the 240's

    Good thing I just picked up a 2012, I was hesitant, but with the 2013 finally out and in my opinion a big downgrade over 2012 on the 990 it was a good call.
    how do you know the 999 will have the 240? Im searching for those dt swiss x1.4 wheels but cant find anything about them.

    Wheels are not important to me as I will have some light hand built racing wheels. I will also ditch seatpost/saddle/stem/bars

    What downgrade do you see on the 990 except wheels? What do you think of the Sid RL? You have me rethink my choice now...

    thanks for your comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    how do you know the 999 will have the 240? Im searching for those dt swiss x1.4 wheels but cant find anything about them.

    Wheels are not important to me as I will have some light hand built racing wheels. I will also ditch seatpost/saddle/stem/bars

    What downgrade do you see on the 990 except wheels? What do you think of the Sid RL? You have me rethink my choice now...

    thanks for your comments
    For the 990 the downgrades IMHO are most of cockpit. Race face versus Easton carbon bars and post ( Don't care about the stem since know I will replace anyway as I dial the bike in). Since you already have a cockpit that shouldn't make a difference to you. I will

    In the past when DT swiss labeled oem wheels the 1.4 were <1500gr wheels.( See Cannondale scaples) Only way to do that is with the 240s not the 350's even with the aerolights spokjes. So I am assuming they are 240's on the 2013 999. I did read somewhere that the 1.5 have the 350's hubs. The 999 wheels if built with 240's, Aerolights, and DT swiss 300 rims could come in at 1500gr with rim strips. I think you need to go to dealer and get some details on these new wheels since if they really are that light the 999 for the price difference you are talking for you might be worth it as you can probably sell those wheel for $800+ since you have your own or use them as backups. You might want to swap out those XX brake if you do go with the 999 as everyone I know that used them hated them and ditched them for XTRs this past year, but maybe SRAM fixed them for 2013 or you get a pair that works if so great.

    I don't have any experience on the new SID RL, I do know it is lighter, but I care more about performance and durability than the weight. The XX WC carbon scares me a bit since I weight 210 geared up.


    Oh and I love IKON's never tried the new conti's

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    FYI I had a chat with the RM rep and he looked into those dt 1.5 hubs, He came back to me saying those were the dt 240s hubs. Nice

    Not sure the wheels will be sub 1600g with dt comp spokes but they should make durable wheels

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    I'm debating 990/970. I have a light set of 29" wheels (AM classic/Crests). Not real preference for Shimano/SRAM. SRAM spares are a bit cheaper here in Aus I suppose. Shimano would match my 26" element if I kept that.

    As far as I can see the spec difference between those 2 outside of the drivetrain is going to be minimal. Thoughts?

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    Saddle, seatpost, the wheels are a big deal. I would rather have a good spare set.

    Also the X0 is much better than XT esp the crank.

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    Not sure I care about the saddle, I don't like the Fizik. And I dare say from the photo won't like the Rocky either... Cranks weight about the same AFAIK.

    Think I'll probably go 970 unless the team gets an awesome deal on the 990.

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    dt 240 straightpull.

    i was just about to order some new hubs from CRC for my new vertex and then my brother sent me this link. Straightpull dt240's up on the DT swiss site.

    can't find them for sale any where yet but are a huge improvement on a great hub.
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    I am waiting for these and my lbs talked to dt. Swiss and they said late oct Nov.

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    apparently the OEM wheels on the 2013 990rsl have these hubs... hope its true, such a great, reliable hub.

    Should get my bike before the end of the month. I already purchased some bits to upgrade and lower the weight, among which:

    -mt zoom XL flat bar
    -KCNC post
    -XX grip shift
    -ESI racer edge grips
    -Ikon exo tires

    Now need to weight the wheels so I can decide what kind of custom build im going with, dont want to build some 1500g crest wheels it the dt weight 1500-1550g...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatrix View Post
    i was just about to order some new hubs from CRC for my new vertex and then my brother sent me this link. Straightpull dt240's up on the DT swiss site.
    If only they made them in a 24 spoke version so people with 29" Easton carbon wheels could put real hubs in them
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    got my 2013 990 rsl tonight. Stock weight was 21.9 lbs.

    Cant wait to see the tuned weight

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    for people's interest, the dt swiss X1.5 wheels weighted in at 1913g including rim strips, far from light. Can drop 500g with some AM classic on crest build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    for people's interest, the dt swiss X1.5 wheels weighted in at 1913g including rim strips, far from light. Can drop 500g with some AM classic on crest build.
    Wow, that's chunky, was that with the skewers too?
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    no skewer

    only wheel with rim strip, no disc, no valve, nothing else...

    quite porky but I assumed they will make awesome everyday wheels with super reliable hubs

    21,9lbs with 1900+g wheels is pretty nice. FYI the handlebar, seatpost, saddle and stem were all porker, let alone the cassette platic pie plate lol

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    Yeah, that means you could get to a 20 pound 29er
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    yup!

    and maybe sub 20 pounds when I get my custom wheels built up.

    Yesterday I did a lot of changes:

    -swaped seatpost, saddle, bar, stem.
    -crankset and shifter sold: to be replaced by my Quarq and sram XX grip shift
    -removed the 180mm disc and adapter, fitted a 160mm disc
    -removed RK racesport and replaced with Ikon EXO, tubeless set up.
    -fitted lighter spacers, top cap and bolt.
    -lighter seatpost collar, though the stock one is pretty light and nice.

    will post pictures when the build is finished and ready to ride! It should end up as the nicest bike on Earth right now...

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    Are the hubs the new straight pull DT's?


    I have gotten my 2012 990 RSL down to 21.1 with pedals and cages ( I have heavy pedals>Times Carbon ATAC)
    I think I will get down to 20.5 once my new wheels are built and I swap a couple other items around. Not bad for an XL frame and a 205lb rider.

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    yep new dt swiss straight pull hubs.

    I just need grip shifts, front disc and im ready to roll. The details are very nice, the O from XO is blue on the rear der, brakes, shifters and the wheels have subtle blue details.

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    Just curious...you guys are right around my weight (205-210). That seems like a lot of weight on really light carbon hardtails. I tried this with a Cannondale Flash Carbon that was a little over 23 lbs...then got my Giant Anthem X down to 24.6 lbs. with Stan's Crest wheels.

    Both of these bikes were noodle flexy under my 205 lbs.

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    speaking for myself, I weight 150lbs

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    Oh...that makes sense. I thought someone said they weighed a little over 200#.

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    historee, I weigh over 200# actually right now 210# geared up.

    The frame has been plenty stiff for me and the 2012 dt swiss with XD400 rims aren't bad, but not as stiff as my carbons nor as light. I am waiting for the DT straightpull 240s and will lace a set of carbons up with CX-ray those should be very stiff and have no issue with my weight.

    My 2010 Superfly HT sits at 22 lbs right now with Carbon wheels and it great. I think the noodle effect at our weight if you have a top end frame comes more from the fork and wheel set than anything else.

    Thus carbon wheels with Cx-Ray spokes for me.

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    So I am about to purchase a 2013 Vertex 970. Anybody know the weight of the bike? I am planning on selling the stock wheels and putting on set of stans crest wheel. I haven't actually ridden this particular model but this is the one that is in my pricepoint. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reesrider View Post
    So I am about to purchase a 2013 Vertex 970. Anybody know the weight of the bike? I am planning on selling the stock wheels and putting on set of stans crest wheel. I haven't actually ridden this particular model but this is the one that is in my pricepoint. Any thoughts?
    I'm doing the same, will either run AM Class/Crest wheels (I have sitting around, but these might get used in a SS project) or AM Classic Race Tubeless.

    Stock, apart from the wheels, post and seat it would be close to the 990 weight. Not a lot of difference between the XO and XT (ignore the crank). The fork without the lockout lever will actually be slightly lighter!

    Going to replace the post as I need a straight one, and the seat as I like a more curved seat anyway.

    Should be here in a couple weeks. I believe there is a delay on 2013 Shimano parts. Once it gets in I'll weight it stock and with changes (once I decided on wheels)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHS View Post
    Pics?
    im linking my thread from the WW forum, there are a few pics over there of my bike, enjoy!

    Weight Weenies &bull; View topic - 2013 rocky mountain vertex 29er

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    Weighed a stock medium 970 at the shop today. 10.6kgs.

    When my small comes in it I expect I'll get it to 10kgs easy without pedals with my wheels and replacing seat/post/grips.

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