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    2011 Element RSL / MSL FAQ's

    Ok, same as Slayer. Got any??

    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
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    2. Will it be possible to swap between RSL (98mm) and MSL (120mm) by swapping parts?

    We are not planning on selling shocks and links separately.
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    3. Are you selling frames only?

    Yes. 70 MSL and Team RSL.
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    4. What does it weigh?

    20.5" RSL frame + RP23 XV shock: 1960g (4.3 lbs)

    18" RSL built with ALMOST Team spec (XTR / Next / Syncros Carbon wheels / Next SL crank, no pedals): 9.89kg (21.75lbs)
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    5. What sizes will it come in?

    15 / 16.5 / 18 / 19 / 20.5
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    6. Is it an aluminum frame?

    All MSL and RSL bikes are full monocoque Smoothwall carbon construction.
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    7. What are the paint jobs?

    Most models will be nude UD carbon w. decals. Exception: Element 70 MSL (red)
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    8. Will the carbon dropouts wear out?

    Depends. Do you tighten your QR's properly? Uses super dense compression molded carbon. If you tend to leave your QR's loose, yes, you will grind through your dropout just like you would on an alu frame. Not too tight, not too lose. Just right...
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    9. Will the BB height change vs 2010?

    The RSL BB height is the same as 2010. The MSL height is 6.5mm higher than RSL
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    Full range of frame sizes?
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    How will an MSL compare to an ETSX (2008)?

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    is the 70 MSL an aluminum frame?

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    Hmmmm, might be just the thing to replace my Amp B-3 with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    Ok, same as Slayer. Got any??

    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
    Will any make it across the pond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
    But with increased availability by and beyond Eurobike/Interbike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Will any make it across the pond?
    Of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    But with increased availability by and beyond Eurobike/Interbike?
    Volume production will ramp up approx 1.5 month after 1st run.
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    The new Element is a great looking bike!!!

    Will there be a aluminum frame in the MSL-lineup?

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    Can you put a coil and a Shiver on it?

    Oh wait this isn't the Slayer thread on NSMB...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk
    Can you put a coil and a Shiver on it?

    Oh wait this isn't the Slayer thread on NSMB...
    Yes. A 100mm Single crown Shiver. And a coil shock made of wish glue and dreams.

    Good luck with that!
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    Found this link on a Dutch forum: http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=460202

    Pics, specs, and geo info. That should save RMB-PM answering some questions
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    Any idea what the pain schemes will be? From Lars' link it looks like a black RSL and a red MSL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by de lars cuevas
    Found this link on a Dutch forum:http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=460202
    Pics, specs, and geo info. That should save RMB-PM answering some questions
    All except the question about left hand drive derailleurs...

    But seriously folks... have there been enough test miles to see whether there's any sign of erosion on the rear dropouts where there'd be direct axle thread to carbon dropout contact?

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    That bike is painfully sexy in red just like the Slayer in red. Will the Element Team version be mostly exposed carbon like the Vertex Team? What's the paint job weigh?

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    Pretty sexy in black paint too. Nice details with the anodized cable ferrules.

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    The dropouts are Carbon fiber with no ability to change them out without replacing the seat stay!!!!!!

    Oh Oh I wear out a 2005 Element dropout in about a 1 1/2 year....

    That is a serious drawback.

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    FWIW my road bike has had no issues (it's an Ibis with carbon dropouts and sees quite a few wheel changes). The same applies to a friends Ibis Mojo, and I'm pretty sure it gets quite a beating on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    FWIW my road bike has had no issues (it's an Ibis with carbon dropouts and sees quite a few wheel changes). The same applies to a friends Ibis Mojo, and I'm pretty sure it gets quite a beating on a regular basis.

    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...
    There are little dents from the skewer nut, but that's it. This said, I tighten down my QR really hard. The only frame with significant dropout wear is my Vertex, where the skewer has been coming slightly loose over time for a couple of years.*



    * Yeah, I know I really should buy a new skewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    There are little dents from the skewer nut, but that's it. This said, I tighten down my QR really hard. The only frame with significant dropout wear is my Vertex, where the skewer has been coming slightly loose over time for a couple of years.*



    * Yeah, I know I really should buy a new skewer.

    Hmmm apparently you spread the wear out over three bikes....

    And yet you still get some wear on Aluminium dropouts....

    Well I ride one bike and the Aluminium dropouts last a 1 1/2 year...

    Carbon maybe tougher or not, but having to replace steat stays every year or so, when a small wear piece could be inserted....

    That is a downside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...
    How on earth are you wearing out the drop out on a frame?

    Some superficial gouging in the paint sure, but wearing thru?

    Crank that skewer down tight and it shouldn't really move.

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    3 months of North Shore abuse under Peteypete:



    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    The dropouts are Carbon fiber with no ability to change them out without replacing the seat stay!!!!!!

    Oh Oh I wear out a 2005 Element dropout in about a 1 1/2 year....

    That is a serious drawback.
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    That is the start of the wear pattern...

    Then the axle stub begins to wear the inside of the dropout...

    That results in the axle starting to move back and forth, which screwse up the shifting and can cause brake rub...

    I run Mavic SLR's with really tight QRs..

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    Love the paint jobs, but please, PLEASE somebody tell me the MSL will be available in a color that I go ape on with orange ano parts. 8-)

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    That's nice I don't think the carbon dropouts will be an issue - I've seen plenty of rowing boats and blades take a lot of wear to surfaces over years of (ab)use without issue.
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    If the DT rear hubs use the 10mm RWS thru axle, it can likely be cinched down tight enough so that there's no possibility for movement to chew into the dropout. I've got the DT Swiss RWS thru axle on the 240S hub on the Edge Composite wheels on my Altitude and it is super snug and stiff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Love the paint jobs, but please, PLEASE somebody tell me the MSL will be available in a color that I go ape on with orange ano parts. 8-)
    Black and orange go together nicely.
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    Question: Why the topswing front mech? Is it because of clearance to the pivoting chainstays?

    This configuration seems like a real mudcatcher to me. Would have liked to see a direct mount downswing mech!
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    The front e-type mech is attached directly to the chainstay. The cable stop is on the swingarm. Nice granny ring chain keeper integrated there.
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    As others have stated the bike is dead sexy!

    Quick question and an important one "for me". Will the new Element have a "higher" bottom bracket than the current version?

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    geometry data, the current 100mm Element has a 20mm BB drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    3 months of North Shore abuse under Peteypete:
    ..Wow if it can support Pierre's hackness and his hugeness AND his elephant sized ankles, it will never break

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    isn't the 20 to 13.5mm difference caused purely by having a longer fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    If the DT rear hubs use the 10mm RWS thru axle, it can likely be cinched down tight enough so that there's no possibility for movement to chew into the dropout. I've got the DT Swiss RWS thru axle on the 240S hub on the Edge Composite wheels on my Altitude and it is super snug and stiff.

    And heavy...

    Replacable dropouts are common, easy and cheap...

    Okay maybe Rocky will supply new seatstays easy and cheap ooops I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    And heavy...

    Replacable dropouts are common, easy and cheap....
    And heavy, prone to vibration, and complicated.

    Sorry Jeff, I hear you, you want a wear surface for your QR. But our testing has shown our design to be durable under normal conditions.

    We would never have hit our sub 2kg weight target w. Fox RP23 Hi Volume shock, and pivots, with replaceable dropouts. It's a bit early for 2011 bikes, but I can't off the top of my head find a lighter 120mm frame + shock? Anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    And heavy, prone to vibration, and complicated.

    Sorry Jeff, I hear you, you want a wear surface for your QR. But our testing has shown our design to be durable under normal conditions.

    We would never have hit our sub 2kg weight target w. Fox RP23 Hi Volume shock, and pivots, with replaceable dropouts. It's a bit early for 2011 bikes, but I can't off the top of my head find a lighter 120mm frame + shock? Anyone know?

    I understand...

    The problem is weight vs endurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    And heavy...
    Not so bad, a 240S CL rear hub with a 10mm RWS axle is 321gms and the 240S CL QR rear hub is 255gms + 48gms for a 5mm RWS rear skewer, for a total of 303gms. If you used an XTR rear QR skewer it would be 15gms heavier. That's a worthwhile weight penalty on an FS bike to get a super solid rear wheel retention system. The actual 10mm RWS thru axle skewer itself is only 63gms since it's aluminium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The front e-type mech is attached directly to the chainstay. The cable stop is on the swingarm. Nice granny ring chain keeper integrated there.
    I know. But it doesn't answer my question
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    I'd bet it was a combination of saving weight and clearance issues with the direct mount style FD and the seat stay linkage on the smaller frame sizes. Maybe combined with the need to have a lump on the back of that curvy seat tube to locate the direct mount FD.

    The e-type XTR FD is 142gms with the alloy plate, so likely less than 120gms with the BB plate removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    I understand...

    The problem is weight vs endurance.

    I'm totally confused by the "wearing out dropouts" concept.... You're aware that the hangers are replaceable, right? The marks on my frame are just indents from the skewer/hub knurling. There is no loss of material.

    I have ridden the S**T out of this bike this winter on the Shore - way beyond its intended use and I've had absolutely no issues. The bike is a champ.

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    A few people have had wear issues in the rear dropouts of old style Slayers and the Element/Instincts caused by some movement of the rear hub and axle in the dropout.

    Slayer dropout issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by peteypete
    I'm totally confused by the "wearing out dropouts" concept.... You're aware that the hangers are replaceable, right? The marks on my frame are just indents from the skewer/hub knurling. There is no loss of material. There will be eventually

    I have ridden the S**T out of this bike this winter on the Shore - way beyond its intended use and I've had absolutely no issues. The bike is a champ.
    Maybe but how long do you ride anyone bike? 3 months is not a 1.5 years, hey maybe your just smoother and better than me.


    Sorry the hanger is not the issue on an 2005 element...it is the inside of the dropouts..that wears the axle eventually starts to move around inside the dropout, especially after a drop and then say standing and hammering.

    The bike maybe a champ but wearing out a dropout in a 1 and half does happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Not so bad, a 240S CL rear hub with a 10mm RWS axle is 321gms and the 240S CL QR rear hub is 255gms + 48gms for a 5mm RWS rear skewer, for a total of 303gms. If you used an XTR rear QR skewer it would be 15gms heavier. That's a worthwhile weight penalty on an FS bike to get a super solid rear wheel retention system. The actual 10mm RWS thru axle skewer itself is only 63gms since it's aluminium.

    So your adding weight....

    When all that is neccessary is a small Ti block captured like a RD hanger added weight oh 5 grams....

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    +18gms on the hub/axle versus having to try to bond something into the composite mold sure seems much easier.

    Even if you switch to the DT RWS 5mm rear QR, it has a much more solid grip than a Shimano QR and weighs a few grams less.
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    That's the one...

    Also available from Race Face, FSA and Truvativ.
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    So who's got the best BB-91 bearing set of those.... (off the record, no one's listening)
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    I have no comparison because I have not run the Truvativ, FSA or Race Face, but the Shimano BB 91 on the Vertex 29 spins so much more freely than the standard XTR external BB that was on my Altitude. I spin the cranks backwards in the stand and they spin 2 to 2.5 times around, similar to the ceramic BB on my road bike. I ran them all winter long and no signs of slowing down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    So who's got the best BB-91 bearing set of those.... (off the record, no one's listening)
    HA, already ordering parts for your new Element frame, Rockyuphill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteypete
    HA, already ordering parts for your new Element frame, Rockyuphill?
    Yep, just ordered the Park insertion and removal tools for the BB-91. Lining up the Shimano parts before the HST bumps the price up 7%.

    ...and just ordered up a bottom bracket and e-type 9 speed XTR FD.
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    I'm sorry, much as I wish I liked it, but that is ugly. Not as ugly as an Altitude, but ugly. Curves are ok, but so are straight lines. Some curves make ugly. e.g., the seat tube, e.g., the top tube. If they were straight, that would be a nice-looking bike, the rest is good.

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    I hate you for making me want this. I'd swap out the wheels for Mavic SLs, drivetrain for SRAM XX and make the cable housing white. Yeeeeeah.

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    Oh, has anyone asked where they're made yet?

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    I hear that the carbon fibers are hand made over scented organic candles from pine beetle killed trees and hand woven into carbon fiber fabric on one of the Gulf Islands by a small cadre of monks using hand looms. And then the organic carbon fiber cloth is shipped to another secret location in the Gulf Islands where the carbon fiber and hemp based resins are molded into frames using the same ovens that are used to fire ceramic incense burners.








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    Since both shift cables have to pass under the BB shell in cable casing anyway, what was the advantage in running the shift cables on the top side of the downtube instead of under the downtube like the Vertex RSL has?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Since both shift cables have to pass under the BB shell in cable casing anyway, what was the advantage in running the shift cables on the top side of the downtube instead of under the downtube like the Vertex RSL has?
    so they don't get wrecked when shuttling hanging on the tail gate of a pick up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccm
    so they don't get wrecked when shuttling hanging on the tail gate of a pick up
    You'd hope someone who would invest in such a nice carbon frame wouldn't be treating it that way, but I'm sure some will...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    I hear that the carbon fibers are hand made over scented organic candles from pine beetle killed trees and hand woven into carbon fiber fabric on one of the Gulf Islands by a small cadre of monks using hand looms. And then the organic carbon fiber cloth is shipped to another secret location in the Gulf Islands where the carbon fiber and hemp based resins are molded into frames using the same ovens that are used to fire ceramic incense burners.








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    I'm interested in keeping jobs, even blue collar ones, in North America and I was willing to pay a premium for all 3 RM frames that I've owned so I don't see a reason for any snark re: this. The job that gets saved may be yours, or your brother's or your friend's. I don't need my frame to be woven out of swedish baby hair.

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    Now there's the interweb for you, I assumed you were being sarcastic since one of the other Element threads had already touched on the fact that at least with a carbon frame no one would have to ask where it was from, or if it was made in BC, it would be from somewhere else. I think the only production carbon frames made in the US are Trek's and I think they're just down to some of them now, not 100% of them. So when it's carbon it's from Asia.

    And someone else brought up red and white paint and maple leaves, it wasn't even me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Now there's the interweb for you, I assumed you were being sarcastic since one of the other Element threads had already touched on the fact that at least with a carbon frame no one would have to ask where it was from, or if it was made in BC, it would be from somewhere else. I think the only production carbon frames made in the US are Trek's and I think they're just down to some of them now, not 100% of them. So when it's carbon it's from Asia.

    And someone else brought up red and white paint and maple leaves, it wasn't even me.
    Yeah. I didn't bring up the leaves. Anyway, I kind of knew about CF being primarily from Asia but didn't know that it was a virtually 100% thing. I was hoping that maybe, as RM moves more to CF, that there would be Canadian production. Trek does only do their higher end CF in the US. On the road side, Madone 5.0 and up I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2
    I'm interested in keeping jobs, even blue collar ones, in North America and I was willing to pay a premium for all 3 RM frames that I've owned so I don't see a reason for any snark re: this. The job that gets saved may be yours, or your brother's or your friend's. I don't need my frame to be woven out of swedish baby hair.

    I am not interested in keeping jobs.

    If Rocky has the money and nads to invest in a world scale CF bike production facility that will ensure low cost, reliable and effective production of CF frames then fine....

    If not then buy from the Chinese....

    If RM wants to had lay up some sexy high end frames then fine (BTW that does not keep any jobs anyway).

    Keep the assembly work (if and only if they can be competitive) in Canada....

    Otherwise all that will happen is RM will go broke.
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    lots do for Super D's or from their home to Goldbridge/Chilcotins/Spruce Lake via the Hurley pass

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    The XTR e-type derailleur with the mounting plate removed weighs 121gms.

    And the BB-91 only weighs 73gms, so that's 16gms lighter than an XTR external BB.
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    I like it when stuff is Made in Canada or Made in America.

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    The seeds to grow my 2011 Element Team from...
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    Any info about the aviabilaty in Europe for this frame?

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    As seen in person at the North Shore Bike Fest today... holy doodle this is one sexy bike in person.
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    I'm blinded by laziness, but am I correct in seeing this is an RSL?

    I just have one question, and that's: will there be a black MSL in 2011?

    I'm still trying to figure out how I could build up the red MSL70 frameset, but the visualization thing isn't leading to anything positive at the moment.

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    Was drooling over that bad boy on Saturday afternoon.

    Build the 120mm version with a 140mm fork and that is one badazzzzzzz trail weapon.

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    This was a Element 70 RSL. Only the 70 MSL is going to be red.
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    I've gotta admit the red is growing on me, but not yet enough to replace my Tribal. :-)

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    Apparently the RSL comes with a Ti bolt kit installed (so the sales rep was saying).
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    That's a 70 RSL... There not be a black MSL frameset... Red 70 MSL only.
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    If you wanted to, can you buy the different linkage pieces and longer shock and convert an RSL to MSL?
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    Ugh. This thread and the itch on my credit card that needs to be scratched...................

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    uhhh give that Altitude in the pick-up an extra once over, Barham is a great photographer but I wouldn't trust his mechanic skillz

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Apparently the RSL comes with a Ti bolt kit installed (so the sales rep was saying).
    Quoted for truth.
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    The rep's good at giving the straight goods.

    Do you know which versions will be available first in August? RSL 70 or RSL Team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    That's a 70 RSL... There not be a black MSL frameset... Red 70 MSL only.
    Cheers.

    I've just seen the Old World pricing for 2011 Fox Forx and it looks like I could buy a second car if I'd go stock 70MSL + part swap rather than frameset + fork + bag of parts. Which means I may, just may, wait and see what other color options appear in the catalog.

    Any idea if the ti bolt kit will be available aftermarket?

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    70 level will be available before Team (complete bikes that is). And completes will be available before frames.
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    talking about colors: Will there be any Special Editions / Tribals / Mapl... uh...other stuff we would like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by de lars cuevas
    talking about colors: Will there be any Special Editions / Tribals / Mapl... uh...other stuff we would like?
    bwah hah hah hah!
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    Look at the truck, I'd like to see that on a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temporoad
    Look at the truck, I'd like to see that on a bike.
    What? The curtains?
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    More Element sightings at the BC Bike Race pits this morning before the race start. Geoff Kabush's with fresh XTR bits stuck on it.

    There were several other Elements in the pits including 3 of the 120mm versions. Andreas Hestler was running a 120mm version in the BC Bike Race, Kabush was running the 100mm version. The 120's were the prototypes that they have been beating the crap out of on the North Shore since early this year. They look pretty fresh for all that beating.
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    I have now a huge rocky fever and I was thinking that could I run XX crank set in the element team. But mainly I was thinking which crank I need, the one with 156 Q-factor or with 164. Maybe put Rotor PressFit BB. And what kind of FD is correct. Same model that Spec Epic has? The S1 with either bottom or top pull ?

    Thanks

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    Hi,

    You can run the 156mm XX crank on the bike, but I'm not familiar with the Rotor BB. I suspect, based on what I just read, it's Shimano crank compatible. Which means it isn't XX compatible... Spindles on Shimano are 24mm, and Sram has 2 different sizes (26/24?) on either end of the spindle. So SRAM and Shimano aren't cross compatible...

    As for FD: you need an e type direct mount, S3 from Sram. See here:
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    Superb
    But I'm not sure about that Shimano Sram compatible thing. Because Sram makes the GXP BB and it's the same diameter than the Shimanos? so you can run they cross. So if I take GXP crank and compatible BB-92 from shimano/sram/rotor it will fit ?

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    GXP bb's are NOT compatible w. Shimano Cranks... Trust me.

    The outer dimensions of GXP Press Fit are the same as BB92 from Shimano, but the ID of the bearings, where the axle sits, are different.

    You need GXP PF for XX, FSA Press Fit for FSA, and Race Face is cross compatible with Shimano.
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    Totally superb !!

    Thanks for you specific knowledge and accurate explaining to the dummy Then I will take sram's ceramic GXP and 156 crank and the S3 FD. And maybe I can make a superb race bike for XCO and XCM The frame is one of the best

    Can't wait that it's available in my local shop

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    So, uh, what does "RSL" and "MSL" stand for?

    Racing Smooth-er Link-suspension?
    Manly Smooth-er-er Link-suspension?

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    What's about the wheels on the 70 MSL? The rim is DTswiss x430 that don't have a good reputation of rigidity and broke often. Why not putting better wheels (like Crossmax or Fulcrum)? Does the hub is Dtswiss 240?

    And this rim is not a real tubeless rim.

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    Isn't the suspension on a 2010 Element, Rising rate then falling rate ?? which stops the dive in the initial travel and reduces bob then lets you get to full travel on bigger hits ??

    This is straight falling rate, counting on the Boost Valve in the new Fox shock I'd bet to make it pedal well rather than a sensible suspension design.

    Not convinced, looks identical to a Yeti ASR5 suspension wise to me.

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    Current Element leverage ratio

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    2011 carbon Element 100mm leverage ratio

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    Completely different rear end glad I got a 2010 while I still could as the action suites me perfectly.

    Thanks.

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    MHP in action at St-Raymond in Quebec, Raid Brad du Nord 95km.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megaclocker
    MHP in action at St-Raymond in Quebec, Raid Brad du Nord 95km.
    Cool, I spoke to Jerome in the paddock at the Nationals and he was saying he was expecting all the build kit to go with the frame to arrive in the week after the Nats.

    Edit: and MHP did really well there, no surprise she won Senior Elie Women at 4:21:44, but she was only a minute behind the 30-39 Master Men category winner who finished at 4:20:35 and she was just seconds behind the 6th place Senior Elite Men at 4:21:40, so she finished 8th overall out 192 racers doing the full 93km route. She was only 23 minutes behind RaphaŽl Gagne who took first place overall at 3:58:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Cool, I spoke to Jerome in the paddock at the Nationals and he was saying he was expecting all the build kit to go with the frame to arrive in the week after the Nats.

    Edit: and MHP did really well there, no surprise she won Senior Elie Women at 4:21:44, but she was only a minute behind the 30-39 Master Men category winner who finished at 4:20:35 and she was just seconds behind the 6th place Senior Elite Men at 4:21:40, so she finished 8th overall out 192 racers doing the full 93km route. She was only 23 minutes behind RaphaŽl Gagne who took first place overall at 3:58:59.
    I rode a full day in a XC bike park in Chicoutimi with Raphael. He's got a serious engine. Very talented rider.

    I will try to follow MHP next year, if she's there. I will have to train a lot harder also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megaclocker
    I rode a full day in a XC bike park in Chicoutimi with Raphael. He's got a serious engine. Very talented rider.

    Will try to follow MHP next year, if she's there. Will have to train harder.

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    And he did it on that heavy old scandium Element Team.
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