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    2011 Element RSL / MSL FAQ's

    Ok, same as Slayer. Got any??

    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
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    2. Will it be possible to swap between RSL (98mm) and MSL (120mm) by swapping parts?

    We are not planning on selling shocks and links separately.
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    3. Are you selling frames only?

    Yes. 70 MSL and Team RSL.
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    4. What does it weigh?

    20.5" RSL frame + RP23 XV shock: 1960g (4.3 lbs)

    18" RSL built with ALMOST Team spec (XTR / Next / Syncros Carbon wheels / Next SL crank, no pedals): 9.89kg (21.75lbs)
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    5. What sizes will it come in?

    15 / 16.5 / 18 / 19 / 20.5
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    6. Is it an aluminum frame?

    All MSL and RSL bikes are full monocoque Smoothwall carbon construction.
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    7. What are the paint jobs?

    Most models will be nude UD carbon w. decals. Exception: Element 70 MSL (red)
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    8. Will the carbon dropouts wear out?

    Depends. Do you tighten your QR's properly? Uses super dense compression molded carbon. If you tend to leave your QR's loose, yes, you will grind through your dropout just like you would on an alu frame. Not too tight, not too lose. Just right...
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    9. Will the BB height change vs 2010?

    The RSL BB height is the same as 2010. The MSL height is 6.5mm higher than RSL
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    Full range of frame sizes?
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    How will an MSL compare to an ETSX (2008)?

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    is the 70 MSL an aluminum frame?

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    Hmmmm, might be just the thing to replace my Amp B-3 with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    Ok, same as Slayer. Got any??

    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
    Will any make it across the pond?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMB-PM
    1. When will they be available??

    VERY limited availability sometime in August. Pricing TBD.
    But with increased availability by and beyond Eurobike/Interbike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Will any make it across the pond?
    Of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    But with increased availability by and beyond Eurobike/Interbike?
    Volume production will ramp up approx 1.5 month after 1st run.
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    The new Element is a great looking bike!!!

    Will there be a aluminum frame in the MSL-lineup?

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    Can you put a coil and a Shiver on it?

    Oh wait this isn't the Slayer thread on NSMB...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk
    Can you put a coil and a Shiver on it?

    Oh wait this isn't the Slayer thread on NSMB...
    Yes. A 100mm Single crown Shiver. And a coil shock made of wish glue and dreams.

    Good luck with that!
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    Found this link on a Dutch forum: http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=460202

    Pics, specs, and geo info. That should save RMB-PM answering some questions
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    Any idea what the pain schemes will be? From Lars' link it looks like a black RSL and a red MSL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by de lars cuevas
    Found this link on a Dutch forum:http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=460202
    Pics, specs, and geo info. That should save RMB-PM answering some questions
    All except the question about left hand drive derailleurs...

    But seriously folks... have there been enough test miles to see whether there's any sign of erosion on the rear dropouts where there'd be direct axle thread to carbon dropout contact?

    2011 Element RSL / MSL FAQ's-element70msl_details_06.jpg

    That bike is painfully sexy in red just like the Slayer in red. Will the Element Team version be mostly exposed carbon like the Vertex Team? What's the paint job weigh?

    2011 Element RSL / MSL FAQ's-element_rocky_mountain2.jpg

    Pretty sexy in black paint too. Nice details with the anodized cable ferrules.

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    The dropouts are Carbon fiber with no ability to change them out without replacing the seat stay!!!!!!

    Oh Oh I wear out a 2005 Element dropout in about a 1 1/2 year....

    That is a serious drawback.

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    FWIW my road bike has had no issues (it's an Ibis with carbon dropouts and sees quite a few wheel changes). The same applies to a friends Ibis Mojo, and I'm pretty sure it gets quite a beating on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    FWIW my road bike has had no issues (it's an Ibis with carbon dropouts and sees quite a few wheel changes). The same applies to a friends Ibis Mojo, and I'm pretty sure it gets quite a beating on a regular basis.

    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...
    There are little dents from the skewer nut, but that's it. This said, I tighten down my QR really hard. The only frame with significant dropout wear is my Vertex, where the skewer has been coming slightly loose over time for a couple of years.*



    * Yeah, I know I really should buy a new skewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    There are little dents from the skewer nut, but that's it. This said, I tighten down my QR really hard. The only frame with significant dropout wear is my Vertex, where the skewer has been coming slightly loose over time for a couple of years.*



    * Yeah, I know I really should buy a new skewer.

    Hmmm apparently you spread the wear out over three bikes....

    And yet you still get some wear on Aluminium dropouts....

    Well I ride one bike and the Aluminium dropouts last a 1 1/2 year...

    Carbon maybe tougher or not, but having to replace steat stays every year or so, when a small wear piece could be inserted....

    That is a downside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    So you don't wear out dropouts


    Geez I do even aluminium ones...
    How on earth are you wearing out the drop out on a frame?

    Some superficial gouging in the paint sure, but wearing thru?

    Crank that skewer down tight and it shouldn't really move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    The dropouts are Carbon fiber with no ability to change them out without replacing the seat stay!!!!!!

    Oh Oh I wear out a 2005 Element dropout in about a 1 1/2 year....

    That is a serious drawback.
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    That is the start of the wear pattern...

    Then the axle stub begins to wear the inside of the dropout...

    That results in the axle starting to move back and forth, which screwse up the shifting and can cause brake rub...

    I run Mavic SLR's with really tight QRs..

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    Love the paint jobs, but please, PLEASE somebody tell me the MSL will be available in a color that I go ape on with orange ano parts. 8-)

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    That's nice I don't think the carbon dropouts will be an issue - I've seen plenty of rowing boats and blades take a lot of wear to surfaces over years of (ab)use without issue.
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