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    Yup. As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, it appears that Ritchey parts will be road and 'cross, Syncros for off road.
    So much for a 29" Z-Max...

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    Just want to point out that gary Fisher is not a bike builder so not sure what he would do if he didnt "sell out"
    I dont see what is the problem here TR brought some handbuilt bikes to the hand built show and if enough people want to buy them he will do a production run somewhere where the labor is cheap enough so that 99% of the people on this site wont complain about how much they cost.
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    My desire for one of these has not abated.

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    Hmm... A P-29er with Plexus style seatstays? Now that would be rad!
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    I need a P-29er to go with my P-21. Haven't jumped on the 29 wagon yet, but can't wait until the P-29er is available whether it is Tig'd or Filet Brazed.
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    any word when the P-29 will be available?

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    I just spun over to the Ritchey site to see if they had any more information on their 29" er frame or tires. Nothing. While this bike made it's debut at the February 2011 NAHBS show in Austin and reappeared at the Sea Otter in April 2011 how hard is it to update your website? Lame. Even their news and blog posts are moths out of date. Doubly lame. Granted, I still hold out for a 29" version of the Z -Max Classic in a 2.35 but at the same token I'm not going to hold my breath.

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    All I can say is wow. I have always been a Ritchey fan and the new Red/White/Blue 29ers look incredible to say the least.

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    I don't think this is made in Ritchey factory. They may use a frame builder. Did it say TW or China?

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    At that price point it's probably done off shore. I think TR did do the show bikes, however.

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    Any news on the availability date?

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    I was told end of November for us in the uk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheng Lee View Post
    I don't think this is made in Ritchey factory. They may use a frame builder. Did it say TW or China?
    The production frames are made in Taiwan. The frames that we've had at NAHBS and Sea Otter were handmade by Tom Ritchey.

    They're scheduled to be available in November. Preorder if you're interested as our initial supply is limited.

    Our website is now updated with the P-29er as well.
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    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.
    Come on...pics or it did not happen.

    edit---thougth you meant you got one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    The production frames are made in Taiwan. The frames that we've had at NAHBS and Sea Otter were handmade by Tom Ritchey.

    They're scheduled to be available in November. Preorder if you're interested as our initial supply is limited.

    Our website is now updated with the P-29er as well.

    Apologize I must be blind, where on the website are the frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    Apologize I must be blind, where on the website are the frames?
    The exact page he linked to... those are the frames, they just have parts on them for the photos

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    He he, well kind of. If I use his link, the website automatically detects that I am from outside of the US and is not displaying the „frames“ section, only if I choose US manually it does the trick...
    Now I can see them, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    He he, well kind of. If I use his link, the website automatically detects that I am from outside of the US and is not displaying the „frames“ section, only if I choose US manually it does the trick...
    Now I can see them, thanks!
    Ah, I see. Sorry for assuming

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.
    Check out the way Yeti do it on there current DJ and Bigtop...Can't believe it isn't on every bike. Out of control good!

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    ritchey-dave, are you guys still expecting P-29 and Swiss Cross frames to start shipping this month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat View Post
    ritchey-dave, are you guys still expecting P-29 and Swiss Cross frames to start shipping this month?
    There was a small delay. They'll be here mid December. It'll be worth the wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    There was a small delay. They'll be here mid December. It'll be worth the wait.
    do you know if the frame will be available w different paint schemes/colors in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    do you know if the frame will be available w different paint schemes/colors in the future?
    Yes, we'll be trying out some different looks in the future, however there's nothing for sure yet.
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    Any word when the frames will arrive from Asia?

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    Unfortunately there was some delays with the P-29er and they won't be here for another month.
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    What's the best way to order one of these? Any authorized dealer that sells "Ritchey" stuff? Honestly, I have a feeling they would look at me funny if I asked them about it.

    And, it's been a month! Are they available?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanus View Post
    What's the best way to order one of these? Any authorized dealer that sells "Ritchey" stuff? Honestly, I have a feeling they would look at me funny if I asked them about it.

    And, it's been a month! Are they available?!
    You can find a dealer near you at : Ritchey Logic

    Also you can order one through Excel Sports. They don't have it on their website yet but they will and I'm sure you could preorder it as well.

    We're still waiting for them to arrive, they should be here very soon, hold tight. It'll be worth it.
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    Ritchey_Dave,

    Are there any details avaialable that aren't shown on the Ritchey Logic site, that might help someone decide whether or not to jump-in with a pre-order?

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?

    Quote Originally Posted by swisscross View Post
    My understanding is that Tom is considering doing a limited number of brazed frames for the general market.
    Very similar to the late 80's early 90's when you could order a TR brazed one for an upcharge.
    Thanks for any info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    Ritchey_Dave,

    Are there any details avaialable that aren't shown on the Ritchey Logic site, that might help someone decide whether or not to jump-in with a pre-order?

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?



    Thanks for any info!

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    Standover height is not listed as this varies as a measure of fit based on what parts are used to build up the frame. Effective top-tube is listed under the frame geometry, click on the "tech" tab on the top right of the P-29er page. Other elements of fit can be determined from that chart.


    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    The cable routing is setup to accommodate standard geared configurations or single speed. We haven't had a chance to played around with a Rohloff drivetrain on a P-29er, I'd check with them on how to incorporate their drivetrain into a standard cable routing setup with sliding dropouts. There's nothing really quirky about our setup so they should have a good understanding of it.


    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    The frames use 1 1/8", 41.8 bearings.
    The Ritchey WCS Logic Zero headsets ($59.95) will work with the P-29er.


    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?

    It's being discussed but there are no solidified plans at the moment. More information will be posted on the Ritchey website as things become more concrete.
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    A review of the new Ritchey P29er frame. Thoughts on the Ritchey P-29er by Anton Bosman of Summit Cycles, South Africa

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    Ritchey P29er Review 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by speek View Post
    A review of the new Ritchey P29er frame. Thoughts on the Ritchey P-29er by Anton Bosman of Summit Cycles, South Africa

    Copy and paste bellow quote into YouTube search:

    I'm unable to post the direct link as this is my 1st post here PS: To be able to post links or images your post count must be 10 or greater. Currently I have 0 posts.
    Thanks for that!

    Ritchey P29er Review 2012.mov - YouTube

    Great review. First shipment of these babies arrive in our warehouse 2/15 and are already sold out! Make sure you get dibs on one at a store near you.
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    I read an european review about 3 months ago... too long to translate, but they made those points:

    - Large frame, has reach and stack similar to 17.5 inches "modern" hardtails
    - Very comfortable and natural
    - Not a fast bike
    - Little heavy
    - Very good traction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    I read an european review about 3 months ago... too long to translate, but they made those points:

    - Large frame, has reach and stack similar to 17.5 inches "modern" hardtails
    - Very comfortable and natural
    - Not a fast bike
    - Little heavy
    - Very good traction
    Funny... as an expat living in Europe I find that the majority of local 29'er reviews say "not a fast bike" until they start doing 'real world' riding. Then, it seems things get really fast.

    If only it had an EBB or swingers. :-(

    In any case, I'm really looking forward to seeing one and maybe swinging a leg over one. Spoke to a guy the other night who has an old P21. Jealous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Funny... as an expat living in Europe I find that the majority of local 29'er reviews say "not a fast bike" until they start doing 'real world' riding. Then, it seems things get really fast.

    If only it had an EBB or swingers. :-(

    In any case, I'm really looking forward to seeing one and maybe swinging a leg over one. Spoke to a guy the other night who has an old P21. Jealous!
    The review is comparing the bike to other 29ers out there, exp carbon fiber frames. It said "not as fast as a lightweight 29er". It can go fast. Just not a racing bike.

    Do not compare the p-29 to older p series. The p-21 was created as a racing bike and possibly one of the fastest/lighter frame when it was conceived.
    The p-29 seems to be the idea of the marketing department. I would expect a good, possibly great bike. But no glory.

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    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)
    We loved the review and were blown away by the quality of filming and depth of knowledge of the reviewer. Truly a complement to see that the passion we put into our products can be translated to the end user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    We loved the review and were blown away by the quality of filming and depth of knowledge of the reviewer. Truly a complement to see that the passion we put into our products can be translated to the end user.
    Many thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it

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    very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.
    As soon as my P-29er land on local soil I promise to ride more often I'll even consider riding with a Handlebar Mustache every time I ride it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    The review is comparing the bike to other 29ers out there, exp carbon fiber frames. It said "not as fast as a lightweight 29er". It can go fast. Just not a racing bike.

    Do not compare the p-29 to older p series. The p-21 was created as a racing bike and possibly one of the fastest/lighter frame when it was conceived.
    The p-29 seems to be the idea of the marketing department. I would expect a good, possibly great bike. But no glory.
    Here's a pic of one of our sponsored riders, Kurt Wolfgang, on his way to placing 1st in the Cat 1s this weekend at the CCCX XC Race in Monterey California aboard one of our new P-29ers.



    I think he'd beg to differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)
    Wow, that looks marvelous!
    Get off the couch and ride!

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    Hi,
    any feedback on the reliability of the sliders? Any comments about them?
    Sorry to ask, I do not have in depth experiences with sliders, but I stumbled across several posts about various slider drop outs and it seems there are big differences.
    Some people complain about loosing themselves from time to time, and I was wondering if the system used by Ritchey is a „well known“ and established one...
    Thanks a lot in advance for feedback, and please no offense!

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    I talked to Mark Norstad of Paragon Machine Works a while ago and Mark said the majority of the issues found in slider drops is due to poor quality control from Chinese and Taiwanese knockoffs. The tolerances are sloppy and the nut and bolt assemblies are sub par. I suppose that's one more incentive to buy an American made frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacemonkey View Post
    I talked to Mark Norstad of Paragon Machine Works a while ago and Mark said the majority of the issues found in slider drops is due to poor quality control from Chinese and Taiwanese knockoffs. The tolerances are sloppy and the nut and bolt assemblies are sub par. I suppose that's one more incentive to buy an American made frame.
    No problem with the Ritchey,
    The Tange dropouts are top quality and with over 2000 km's on the bike, I have not had a moments trouble to date.
    The quality is top shelf.


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    Another one:
    Anyone know how Ritchey has measured the 70 degree head tube angle?
    Which fork length was been used?
    I assume 100mm, but compressed with sag (around??? 20mm?) or not?

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    Sweet looking drops

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    Another one:
    Anyone know how Ritchey has measured the 70 degree head tube angle?
    Which fork length was been used?
    I assume 100mm, but compressed with sag (around??? 20mm?) or not?
    The 70 degrees refers to the the angle of the headtube in relation to the floor with a 100mm travel fork installed. No sag or compression taken into consideration.
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    Thanks

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    Just got my 19" frame yesterday. Welds look smooth and even. Sliding drops look good too. Now all I need is a red reba...

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