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    Very nice! I wonder why Syncros parts are on the Ritchey frames. Especially the carbon fork. Ritchey has their own carbon for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Bob
    Very nice! I wonder why Syncros parts are on the Ritchey frames. Especially the carbon fork. Ritchey has their own carbon for now.
    I believe that they want to keep the Syncros brand as the premier MTB line of parts and Ritchey as road or other. What I was told, anyway. I have been using a carbon seat post, alu bar and alu stem from Syncros on a new SS ride and it has been solid stuff so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    Are some of you seriously questioning whether bike is fillet brazed or not.

    Lets see...... a one off Ritchey frame displayed at NAHBS...

    Hmm.. Yea, that just might be a one off TIGed frame disguised to look fillet brazed by one of the premier fillet brazers in the world to display at NAHBS.....

    Sorry, for being a jerk and trying to steer a little towards the obvious . Hopefully you will research TR a little before seriously considering one of his frames (that he has made himself). I will now leave your forum.....

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    Both the 29er and the SwissCross are delightful bikes. I normally prefer standard headsets, but these machines are just too good-looking to nag about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by moschika
    in a recent interview with Tom, he said he did all the fillet brazing for all his bikes. so if this is FB'd then, no reason to think otherwise.

    "Furthermore, over the last 38 years, all the fillet-brazed (Ritchey) bikes that were ever built, were 100% done by me."
    http://www.xo-1.org/2011/01/tom-ritc...own-words.html
    Great interview!

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    revive the good times... golden age mtb...

    Tom Ritchey is my idol... I guess a great launch from Scott and Ritchey's... a special serie for example...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I didn't say there wasn't a difference, I said it doesn't matter as much to performance as people think. Basically, my rant is about the name "NAHBS" and how Asian made bikes are really no less "hand made" than the NAHBS examples are.

    I've seen a lot of crappy "custom" bikes, and a lot of crappy production bikes, and vice versa.

    That's all I'm going to say here about it. I would encourage you to read through the comments on my blog for a better understanding of the discussion. It doesn't merit my re-telling it all here.
    I can't sign into your website.

    Actually you did say there wasn't a difference. Here is a quote from your post:

    "You know, bicycles are built by highly skilled laborers in Asia. Handbuilt indeed! While they may not sip espresso from an Italian cup, or sport a "soul patch", I really do not see any differences in what they do and what the "Hand built" guys are doing at NAHBS. You might say that the "art" of the bicycle is elevated to a higher degree. Okay, I'll give you that much, but the "art" doesn't make it ride any better.* What is more, the Asian builders have repeatability down pat. Try that with your fancy-pants bamboo tall-bike."
    Quite frankly I find those comments snotty and condescending. I understand your paycheck (and your 29er website) are dependent on large companies that mass produce bicycles, but show some more respect for the small, independent CUSTOM builders out there. They are more than just welders.

    I also read through your comments where you keep telling people they are missing your point. IMO they are getting your point as you wrote it. My advice is to re-read your post and look at the actual words you typed. Just because a person says something is a rant doesn't give them immunity from the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje
    I normally prefer standard headsets, but these machines are just too good-looking to nag about that

    +1 regarding the headsets. Actually, if these are as expensive as I fear they'll be, that heaset might be the one thing that keeps me from buying one. I understand that NAHBS is all about showcasing trends (and they do showcase TR's fillet welds nicely), but I want conventional, tried & true on my bike, please - especially one that I'd hope to own for a long time.
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    Ha ha, espresso, soul patch, bamboo tall bike. Thats good stuff.

    Does anyone else appreciate the irony of these comments being taken as snobby?

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    nice

    Nice to see the Ritchey name on a down tube again. A lot of fond memeries after seeing those pics. Talk about inspiring someone to want to ride or open thier wallet. I'd have to have one of these if it were made with a traditional headset.

    Now it Chris Chance would only start welding up 29er's. That would be bless.

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    guitar ted, it's great that you got that discussion going, but i'd like to gently disagree with some of your points.

    1. the name 'hand-made' => focussing on this semantics issue misses the point. I've been working for 20 years in the intersection of product technology and marketing, and even a stubborn guy like me realizes that if a name of a product or service accurately conveys the intended idea, then it is a successful name. Last week I saw an ad for a nearby 'hand-made arts and crafts show'. You and I both know what to expect at a show like that. Is a mass-produced wall clock (from Asia or from South Carolina), with painted decoration, also made 'by hands'? Typically, Yes. But anyone over the age of 10 understands what 'hand-made' means in that context. Check out a similar discussion on 'hand made' Ferrari's here. A car with a hand-welded frame, hand-fitted body, etc, definitely qualifies as hand-made. In this day and age, some people are willing to pay extra for that. In some cases, 'hand made' competes with robot-welded counterparts; in other cases 'hand made' competes with mass produced items in which hands at the factory may be involved. In either case, however, most customers understand the difference, and do not find the term 'hand made' to be misleading.

    2. the performance advantage => you discuss how mass-produced bikes perform comparably to the high priced 'hand made' frames. everyone agrees with that. i have friends who go to NAHBS...none of them think of it as 'wow, going to see the world's highest performance incarnation of DW link rear suspension'. The NAHBS fans see it as an exercise in aesthetics, which can have side benefits in performance (especially years ago, before carbon fiber became the stiffness/lightness/compliance benchmark), but 'performance' is not the main goal per se and I think you've created a straw-man argument there.

    If you look at other industries, and similar types of shows, you'd almost expect them to call it the North American Artisanal Bikes show. Glad they didn't, since that sounds even more like latte-quaffing pretentiousness. 'Hand Made' is a better term here, since a) the intended meaning is well understood by everyone b) it keeps the focus on the building part of it. Bike frames are not a pure exercise in art. Trust me, my family works in the fine arts business. Part of the attraction of bikes to a non-snob like me is that they are very much an example of applied art ... form meets function. Exquisite lugs on a frame, a nicely machined part...the aesthetics are undeniable, at least to us bike geeks, but let's not get pretentious and start treating it as pure art.
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    Hope the new frames goes into production. It was my dream bike in the 90's but I couldn't afford it then. Still struggling now a days but a little bit more earnings to be able to swing on a nice Ritchey frames to the collection.

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    From cyclingnews.com:

    Also coming in August is a new 29" steel hardtail called - what else - the P-29er. Standard features include Ritchey Logic tubing, Paragon sliding dropouts for singlespeed or geared use, a curved down tube for extra fork crown clearance, and the same clever head tube design as on the Swiss Cross. The P-29er is also planned for an August release and suggested retail price is US$999 for the frame only. Claimed projected frame weight is 2,450g (5.4lb).

    And if you have a preference for either of the two paint schemes pictured here, feel free to let Ritchey know - the company is still deciding between the retro-inspired fade and the more modern-looking block design.

    Just to clear any misconceptions, it should also be said that Tom Ritchey the man has never stopped making frames - it's just that since his departure from the mainstream bike market, he's only built frames for close friends and family. Unfortunately, these new frames still won't be built by Tom himself nor will they be fillet brazed as pictured here. Production frames will be TIG welded in Taiwan but even so, we still don't expect that to widely detract from their appeal.

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    The fact that they are made overseas and won't be fillet brazed are deal killers for me.

    It's kind of a crappy deal bringing a hand built gorgeous fillet brazed frame to the NAHBS show to pitch your parts and a production, Asian built, tig welded frame.

    That's exactly what I was worried about. I guessed right.

    No doubt it'll be a good frame, but it's lost almost all of it's appeal right there. I guess not much is different. Same thing the Breezer line did the last year or two.
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    bummer

    I'm still glad to see the Ritchey name on a frame. However I would be more interested if it were hand brazed here in the states.

    I'll continue saving my pennies for an IF. (unless they keep raising prices).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Avenger
    Unfortunately, these new frames still won't be built by Tom himself nor will they be fillet brazed as pictured here. Production frames will be TIG welded in Taiwan but even so, we still don't expect that to widely detract from their appeal.
    COMPLETELY kills it for me. I mean it'll probably have great tubing, and the simple, curved downtube and paragon sliders are nice design details, but you can get any number of equally-nice frames, lovingly hand-made in the U.S.A.(like the true Ritchey frames), for around the same price. If all you want is a bike that reminds you of the golden years of Ritchey, you could paint it red, white and blue, put a decal on it ,and stock it with Ritchey components. Would that be any less honest than a Taiwanese factory doing the same thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Avenger
    And if you have a preference for either of the two paint schemes pictured here, feel free to let Ritchey know - the company is still deciding between the retro-inspired fade and the more modern-looking block design.
    If the entire marketing strategy is to appeal to the sentimentality of older bike geeks, then the answer seems pretty obvious. The retro fade paint job is what most people would actually be buying.

    Sorry to be negative. This thread just really got my hopes up, and then completely dashed them - all in a half day's time. I'm sure there's a market for them though. Just look at all the front-engine, liquid cooled VW beetles and silly looking, plastic Mustangs and Camaros hitting the highways these days.
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    There's something about the looks of a steel hardtail that always makes me pause. Don't know, maybe it's they just look "right," or it's because it what was around when I first got into MTB'ing.

    Too bad the P-29 won't have the hands of the master on it, however, if it's a handmade steel frame that one wants, then I'm sure Chris DeKerf would weld one up for ya'.

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    I don't care where or how it's made.

    It's the design, geometry, and tubing choice that determine how a bike rides.

    Not how and where the tubes are joined.

    If he designed it.....I'd rock it. No matter where it was made. I've used his components for years with good success. Don't see a reason to turn my nose up at this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwb
    I don't care where or how it's made.

    It's the design, geometry, and tubing choice that determine how a bike rides.

    Not how and where the tubes are joined.

    If he designed it.....I'd rock it. No matter where it was made. I've used his components for years with good success. Don't see a reason to turn my nose up at this frame.
    Nothing wrong with being tig welded in Taiwan; many highly regard frames are. But with a MSRP of $995 it is significantly more expensive (Sir9= $850, MCR= $800, Jones= $750, Singular Swift frameset $590).

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    I was hell bent on ownership YESTERDAY.
    Ill stick to my dragon frames with their Taiwanese tig welded 853 Reynolds tubing.
    The ritchey name slapped on a even a nice looking bike means nothing if he didn't braze it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB2
    Nothing wrong with being tig welded in Taiwan; many highly regard frames are. But with a MSRP of $995 it is significantly more expensive (Sir9= $850, MCR= $800, Jones= $750, Singular Swift frameset $590).
    I understand that.

    Doesn't change the fact that where it's TIG'ed has no determination on how it rides. It's either worth the money or it's not. Up to the buyer to decide.

    If I'm willing to spend $850 on a Niner I'd pay a little more for a Ritchey given his history and track record for designing killer bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    Ill stick to my dragon frames with their Taiwanese tig welded 853 Reynolds tubing.
    I'm running an 853 Dragon myself and absolutely love it!


    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    The ritchey name slapped on a even a nice looking bike means nothing if he didn't braze it.
    So ride quality doesn't mean a thing then?

    People need to remember it doesn't matter how well you can braze if the tubes and geometry you select suck. His bikes were successful because of the design. Not how pretty his brazing was.

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    That's a good point, mwb. If they're using the same frame material, and the same designs, why does it matter who wields it? Perhaps the metal craftsmanship will be reflected in the high price, who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwb
    I'm running an 853 Dragon myself and absolutely love it!

    So ride quality doesn't mean a thing then?

    People need to remember it doesn't matter how well you can braze if the tubes and geometry you select suck. His bikes were successful because of the design. Not how pretty his brazing was.
    I'm sure the Taiwanese tig masters can put the bike together to ride nicely based on the ritchey design. I guess what I was trying to say is the thought of having a sweet geo bike assembled by Mr. Ritchey himself produced here in the states would have been my main drive to purchase.
    It would surprise me if a decent welder/ frame builder here in the US couldn't mimic the geometry of the ritchey design in ti.
    That would rate higher in my book than the frame in question.
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
    Am I justified?
    Of course you're justified. Each person draws the line where they see it.

    I was just trying to find out where you draw the line since you said it means "notrhing" if he didn't braze it himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    I'm sure the Taiwanese tig masters can put the bike together to ride nicely based on the ritchey design. I guess what I was trying to say is the thought of having a sweet geo bike assembled by Mr. Ritchey himself produced here in the states would have been my main drive to purchase.
    It would surprise me if a decent welder/ frame builder here in the US couldn't mimic the geometry of the ritchey design in ti.
    That would rate higher in my book than the frame in question.
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
    Am I justified?
    That seems like a reasonable place to come from. For myself, it really is not that important. For one, I am not a custom frame guy in budget or needs, so it would just be a pretty esoteric reason to have one. I have had several hand brazed steel frames in days gone by and it is just a bike in a practical sense. Emotionally? Depends.

    So since it is likely that, if I am riding steel at all, I will be riding mass produced or at least overseas sourced, TIG'd steel frames for some time to come...in your words " just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas".....then I would just as soon ride something that says Ritchey on it that was designed and spec'd by a master frame builder. For me, that promises to blend a lower price tag with a high performing bike while feeding the emotional part of me too. Winner. Now if it is just a decal and Tom really had little to say about it, then I agree that it would mean pretty much nothing.
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    The P-29er is absolutely gorgeous. I like the swiss cross very much as well. Ritchey pulled out the stops for 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    Too bad the P-29 won't have the hands of the master on it, however, if it's a handmade steel frame that one wants, then I'm sure Chris DeKerf would weld one up for ya'.
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    Well, I think it's pretty obvious T. Ritchey got the inspiration to do a 29er frame w/horizontal dropouts from me.

    To wit, my old P-21 w/Sub-11 fork ends:



    and my Quiring 29er:



    Scott (Quiring) did the P-21 conversion for me many,many years ago, then built me the 29er frame two years ago. I got the Dupont paint codes from the Ritchey site, and Scott went to work duplicating a classic Ritchey fade. It's an homage, if you will, to one of my all-time favorite bikes and definitely my all-time favorite paint scheme (guess it's obvious which paint job I vote for on the P-29er).

    Great to see Ritchey bringing back some one-piece (i.e., non-Break Away) frames, and especially a mountain frame. Be curious to see geometry specs, when they become available.

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    wowee.

    just found this thread. I too have longed to ride a Ritchey. Even with the overseas build, I will strongly consider the new 29er. My vote, though, would be for a paint scheme a little more classic, like white panels. The only real question now is geometry, I would prefer a more stable bike with longish stays and less steep angles. Can't wait!

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    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.

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    I can't see any point to this headtube/headset arrangement... is there one?

    The only claimed advantages of an integrated headset that make any sort of sense are more weld area for big tubs (not applicable here), allows a lower headset (also N/A here), and maybe microscopically lighter (on a 5.4 pound bike)? Ritchey was known for clever design ideas, but I can't see this as one of them.

    I guess on a steel bike this looks less stupid than a grossly oversized head tube (those make the top tube look like a broomstick poking a beer can) but that's the only advantage I can see for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    So you can confirm they are fillet bikes? Who is producing them?
    From what I gather in circles Tom still builds custom frames for friends. His custom work is fillet braze. The probability that the frames pictured here are Braze is high considering they are at the handmade bike show. However the production frames will be TIG.


    from what I read he has not decided on the paint for the 29er and wants input from customers. feel free to email ritchey your preference.


    What do you think? Retro Fade or Modern block paint as seen in the side by side above? My first impression was fade but the more I look the more I like the block on the SS version in that pic

    Although it may have been mentioned above and I have not read all this thread, I notice the new Swiss Cross will not have curved stays..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    That seems like a reasonable place to come from. For myself, it really is not that important. For one, I am not a custom frame guy in budget or needs, so it would just be a pretty esoteric reason to have one. I have had several hand brazed steel frames in days gone by and it is just a bike in a practical sense. Emotionally? Depends.

    So since it is likely that, if I am riding steel at all, I will be riding mass produced or at least overseas sourced, TIG'd steel frames for some time to come...in your words " just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas".....then I would just as soon ride something that says Ritchey on it that was designed and spec'd by a master frame builder. For me, that promises to blend a lower price tag with a high performing bike while feeding the emotional part of me too. Winner. Now if it is just a decal and Tom really had little to say about it, then I agree that it would mean pretty much nothing.


    Would really like to look at Ricthie for a first cross bike (first steel bike, for that matter).

    Plus 1 for the fade paint as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    I can't see any point to this headtube/headset arrangement... is there one?

    The only claimed advantages of an integrated headset that make any sort of sense are more weld area for big tubs (not applicable here), allows a lower headset (also N/A here), and maybe microscopically lighter (on a 5.4 pound bike)? Ritchey was known for clever design ideas, but I can't see this as one of them.

    I guess on a steel bike this looks less stupid than a grossly oversized head tube (those make the top tube look like a broomstick poking a beer can) but that's the only advantage I can see for it.

    there is a good chance it has to do with a theory he might have regarding steel welds at that joint... but I am guessing
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    Quote Originally Posted by swisscross
    Will be the P-29er

    Pics are from about a week ago prior to NAHBS.
    I was asked to keep it quite by the guys at Ritchey.
    TR appears to be bringing back the SwissCross too.

    These are my Ritcheys (Chicane and 2 SwissCross's)and as much as I want a Plexus (maybe one day have one) but I really want my main mtb to be more modern.

    I love plexus stays!

    I will have more info on the new offerings Monday. Price point and availablity.
    great pics.
    Is that a 100mm fork?

    what is the word on which paint they will go with for production? the retro fade in your shot or the block type on the SS?
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    I only wish you could order any paint scheme.
    I want a salmon one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Seriously? Wow. Happy to be wrong in some ways, but I bet these will be $$ frames then.
    Still very nice.

    Ahhh...wait a minute...those pics of the brazed seat tube junction do not match the NAHMBS shots at all...cable guides, pinch bolt, etc. I think maybe there is an error here.

    that looks more like the Swiss Cross fastback design in that post that you are referring too not the 29
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.
    I don't think Don Walker has the balls to tell Tom Ritchey that he couldn't launch his bikes in his show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    great pics.
    Is that a 100mm fork?

    what is the word on which paint they will go with for production? the retro fade in your shot or the block type on the SS?
    I talked to Tom a bit, and they're still undecided on the final paint, but the general consensus at the show was to go fade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.

    here we go with name dropping and chest beating all in the name of segregating the industry

    so in the know you
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    here we go with name dropping and chest beating all in the name of segregating the industry

    so in the know you
    I'm not in the know at all. The info has been posted here and a bunch of other sites.

    How many times do you think the Ritchey people at the booth had to explain to excited folks that the bikes they were looking at were only for "family and friends" (their words not mine) and that the real frames would be from overseas and TIG welded?

    I bet alot of people were disappointed in that answer considering they were at the North American Handmade Bike Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    I'm not in the know at all. The info has been posted here and a bunch of other sites.

    How many times do you think the Ritchey people at the booth had to explain to excited folks that the bikes they were looking at were only for "family and friends" (their words not mine) and that the real frames would be from overseas and TIG welded?

    I bet alot of people were disappointed in that answer considering they were at the North American Handmade Bike Show.
    How many times do you think they have to explain to MTBR posters that this is indeed a business.
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    How many times do you think they have to explain to MTBR posters that this is indeed a business.
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.
    I would agree if the entire line was going to be built over seas.
    My understanding is that Tom is considering doing a limited number of brazed frames for the general market.
    Very similar to the late 80's early 90's when you could order a TR brazed one for an upcharge.

    If this idea/plan does fall through I am in complete agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.

    you live in this moral illusion that there is some sort of standard here. yours perhaps?


    you don't think Tom ritchey has the right to put his bikes anywhere he damn well pleases and the show organizers don't feel the same? Don't compare him to Gary fisher. This is no sell out


    bottom line. Ritchey still makes bikes by hand, theses frames at the show were hand brazed. the fact that he will make them affordable to the market place with out compromise to performance is worthy and in my humble opinion all the more reason to put them in there at the show. since you are in the business of reading into things allow me to do the same: it is perfectly appropriate for them to be there because the bike will be ridden and not hanging in a shop or your garage to look at. perhaps it is a statement

    handmade bike shows are for expanding technology into the industry as much as they are a museum of bikes that will never be sold

    get over it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    you live in this moral illusion that there is some sort of standard here. yours perhaps?

    you don't think Tom ritchey has the right to put his bikes anywhere he damn well pleases and the show organizers don't feel the same? Don't compare him to Gary fisher. This is no sell out

    bottom line. Ritchey still makes bikes by hand, theses frames at the show were hand brazed. the fact that he will make them affordable to the market place with out compromise to performance is worthy and in my humble opinion all the more reason to put them in there at the show. since you are in the business of reading into things allow me to do the same: it is perfectly appropriate for them to be there because the bike will be ridden and not hanging in a shop or your garage to look at. perhaps it is a statement

    handmade bike shows are for expanding technology into the industry as much as they are a museum of bikes that will never be sold

    get over it
    Moral illusion? My standards? Reading into things?

    Re-read some of your own posts.

    I have a right to my opinion too. A bunch of people agree with me both here and elsewhere, but you seem to have only picked my posts to respond to.

    So no, I will not "get over it".

    What I will get over is this thread.

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    While I'm bummed that these production frames took attention away from some of the builders, I still want one. And I think that Ritchey's presence there may have been more as a component supplier.
    It was nice to see some of his handiwork again, even if it's not available.

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    Looks like an awesome bike. The only seriously embarrassing thing about it is that it doesn't have Ritchey tires on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlowBoy
    Looks like an awesome bike. The only seriously embarrassing thing about it is that it doesn't have Ritchey tires on it.
    it kinda does, since Syncros is a division of Ritchey

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