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    New question here. FSA vs Ritchey WCS vs Race Face Next SL (vs Easton) - carbon bars

    Which of these are stronger? Sort of a hard question to answer I would guess without testing each to failure... I guess I should ask, anyone ever fail any one of these? Are these all similar in weight - and I mean actual weight, not vendor claims? Ritchey claims 170g but I saw posts showing they come out closer to 180-185.... The Race Face claimed to be 170g... FSA - couldn't find a weight...

    Specifically, looking at the 660mm wide version of each, in low rise (FSA and Race Face I believe is ~19mm, while the Ritchey is ~15mm rise). Can get the FSA for $92, the Ritchey for $126, and the Race Face for $106...

    Edit: Wildcard could some Eastons MonkeyLite XCs in low rise... $75 from Jenson right now... have never really heard anything bad about them... and they are by far the best priced ones (by virtue of sale on Jenson)

    cheers
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    Bueler?

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    Personally - Easton Monkeylite XC 25.4.

    Out of those choices, RaceFace

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    Eastons are the cheaper out of all... can get them from Jenson right now for $75...

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    You can try Syntace Duraflite. I have one and I feel really good on it

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    they might cost abit more than $75 but..

    we've Syntace Duraflites in 25.4 and 31.8 flavours on our trailbikes, they work superbly + products by Syntace are tested beyond other companies standards

    http://www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=4

    also have a Ritchey WCS Carbon 31.8 flat bar on my trainer, i feel alot more tail chatter through the bar - it might be a tad stiffer/stronger (?) but i won't purchase another one, might get another EC90 or try a Mortop Earldom next

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    Easton definetly.

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    German Bike Magazine did a rigorous test in 2008 (see video here)



    These did not break:

    FSA (K-Force Riser)
    Ritchey (WCS Carbon)
    Syntace (Vector 31.8)
    Specialized (S-Works Pro)

    These did break:

    Easton (Monkeylite xc)
    RaceFace (Next Sl Carbon 3/4)
    Syncros (Bulc CF)
    and from Maxm, Progress and Titec

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    Was that not the test where they deliberatly over clamped them or something ?

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    Yes, they conducted it according to some EU testing standard which prescribes that it gets clamped 1.5 times the maximum allowed torque. This should simulate when people do not use a good torque wrench, or for example on a ride tighten it without one at all. Some handlebars could handle this.

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    Schmolke??? Anybody have an opinion/experience?

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    They are superlight and will do the job perfectly. They only do flat bars though.

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    just one note on spending huge sums of $$$$ or €€€€ on a handlebar (Schmolke & Co): after some minor crashes I had to replace the handlebar twice this season. It's probably the most vulnerable component on a bike

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    Hmm, my money still goes with the Easton Monkeylite SL's. I have two of these on my bikes with zero trouble. Look great, just enough flex to dampen the ride, and are uber light.
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    I would have hoped that someone in the WW Forum would step up and proclaim the superiority and absolute necessity of a $400/79g Schmolke flat bar. I guess none so far. As for the OP, I'm on Race Face Next coupled to Thompson stem and I have never had any complaints. I am looking into Ritchey cockpit for my current build. (personal preference) I have always like Ritchey WCS.

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by quax
    These did not break:

    FSA (K-Force Riser)
    Ritchey (WCS Carbon)
    Syntace (Vector 31.8)
    Specialized (S-Works Pro)

    These did break:

    Easton (Monkeylite xc)
    RaceFace (Next Sl Carbon 3/4)
    Syncros (Bulc CF)
    and from Maxm, Progress and Titec

    Any idea samples from each were tested? And if so, how many samples and how many failed out of that?

    Any details on the failure type ? (ie. deformation? cracks? catastrophic failure (snap)?

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    I've been running some Easton EC70s for 5 years. No problems. They are a little chipped up. A few 12/6 Hours on them. Just did the SM100 on them.

    I justed placed an order for some Easton EC90 for a replacement.

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    My Control Tech carbon 660mm-25.4 clamp-170 grams is holding just fine after some 5 months of agressive xc...but I would swap it for a Easton,no doubt!
    It costed me 55€ @ CRC,Easton's Monkeylite SL was 3x that
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    Quote Originally Posted by MI_canuck
    Any idea samples from each were tested? And if so, how many samples and how many failed out of that?

    Any details on the failure type ? (ie. deformation? cracks? catastrophic failure (snap)?
    a) n=3 per handlebar
    b) all handlebars were tested for a simulated use of 30.000 km
    Easton: 1 of 3 failed (at 25.000km)
    Syncros: 2 of 3 failed pretty early (at ~ 6000km)
    Maxm, Progress and Titec: 3 of 3 very very early

    c) I don't know anymore


    By the way, just recently the other big German MTB magazine published a test, too. This seemed to look more into individual variables of handlebar quality (maximum load test, excessive load test, endurance limit, bolt overwind test (or however you say this in English) ). The contestants were (n=3 per bar & variable):

    FSA K-Force XC
    Race Face Next 3/4
    Ritchey WCS
    Syntace Vector 31.8
    Truvativ Noir Worldcup

    (see who apparantly didn't want to participate ;-) )

    No handlebar snapped.
    Syntace and Truvative passed with absolute no weakness.
    Raceface showed just minor wear.
    Ritchey and FSA had some minor problem with the clamp at the endurance test.

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    By the way, I ride a Truvative Noir Worldcup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quax
    a) n=3 per handlebar
    b) all handlebars were tested for a simulated use of 30.000 km
    Easton: 1 of 3 failed (at 25.000km)
    Syncros: 2 of 3 failed pretty early (at ~ 6000km)
    Maxm, Progress and Titec: 3 of 3 very very early

    c) I don't know anymore


    By the way, just recently the other big German MTB magazine published a test, too. This seemed to look more into individual variables of handlebar quality (maximum load test, excessive load test, endurance limit, bolt overwind test (or however you say this in English) ). The contestants were (n=3 per bar & variable):

    FSA K-Force XC
    Race Face Next 3/4
    Ritchey WCS
    Syntace Vector 31.8
    Truvativ Noir Worldcup

    (see who apparantly didn't want to participate ;-) )

    No handlebar snapped.
    Syntace and Truvative passed with absolute no weakness.
    Raceface showed just minor wear.
    Ritchey and FSA had some minor problem with the clamp at the endurance test.

    Great! thnx for providing the details!!

    Considering the Easton did much better than the others that failed, and how late in the simulated life cycle, makes me rest easier.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by quax
    By the way, I ride a Truvative Noir Worldcup.
    I looked at the Noir World Cup (Truvativ) but the max width is 640mm... I want 660 to 685...

    Which ones did you get? Flat? Riser 15mm? Riser 30mm? Have you weighed them?


    thnx

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    If you apply the proper torque the Easton should be really fine.

    I have the flatbar (580mm) which came at exactly the stated weight of 120 g. However, I cut it down to 550 mm.

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    i've been riding a truvativ noir wc for about a year with zero issues.
    my other ride is an ice-cream truck.

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    I've been happy with the Race Face Next 3/4" SL's. I've got the SL's on a hardtail and a 4" FS, and the 685mm Next XC 3/4" on an all mountain bike. So far so good. The clear coat is a bit thick and soft, so it takes an imprint of the stem but doesn't affect the structure.
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    I got a set of Easton Monkey Lite XC in low rise (20mm). Was expecting them at 660mm width. But they are 685mm. Wondering if that's something new? I don't mind the 685 since I have some 40mm rise bars of that width and I'm comfortable with it. Tricky in some tight spots but feel and leverage wise they are perfect.

    Does Easton make the ML XC lo-rise in 660mm anymore?




    Edit: the Monkey Lite XC Lo-Rise (20mm) 685mm bar weighed in at 179g
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    Bars are little wider nowadays, the new trend with shorter steam to use. My Race Face Next LR came at 635 mm (2007/08). Now 660 will be great.

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    yeah - you're probably right... I'm not complaining, as I was a bit reluctant getting the lo-rise at 660mm, but when they showed up and were at 685mm I was stoked... now if only Easton would make their Monkey Lite SL bars in the wider sizes... as well as Race Face - their Next XC 3/4 is 685mm, but their SL 3/4 is 660mm...

    once you go wide, you never go back... (i'm sure some will pipe in that do... )


    bar installed... (came in at 179g btw)




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    There must be some big folks out there. Ive got a Monkey lite @ 660mm and it's wide enough for me - im bigger than most too. 685mm would be too wide for me.

    I wish Easton would make the EC90 in 660mm

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    I'm not big at all - although kind of stocky... I'm 5'6" and wear a 40 suit... I just found 685 is just a nice width... I grabbed a yard stick once with my eyes closed, and positioned my hands where it felt my arms and shoulders were comfortable in sort of a bike stance scenario - and my hands naturally fell near the 27" (685mm) mark... Not super scientific but made sense to me... So I looked for bars near that length...

    I find wider bars allows for more open chest and better breathing... Great for climbing... Obviously different strokes for different folks I guess but I like 685mm for my own personal comfort, not because of hype... The first set of bars that came on the bike were 650mm... By no means narrow but they didn't feel super wide either... I'm sure if I had 660's, I'd get used to them and be fine... Gain a bit of clearance too... There's no magic number, since the human body is quite adaptable... But my primary choice is 685... Also allows the use of a slightly shorter stem (as your arms go out, your needed forward reach drops) which on my bike feels better, especially on the downhills and/or in the rough stuff...

    Can't beat a wide bar for leverage and stability either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffster
    There must be some big folks out there. Ive got a Monkey lite @ 660mm and it's wide enough for me - im bigger than most too. 685mm would be too wide for me.

    I wish Easton would make the EC90 in 660mm
    I replaced my Easton Monkey Lite SL 31.8.635mm @ 159 grams, with a Ritchey Superlogic carbon bar 31.8, 660mm @ 160 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xc71
    I replaced my Easton Monkey Lite SL 31.8.635mm @ 159 grams, with a Ritchey Superlogic carbon bar 31.8, 660mm @ 160 grams.
    So the Monkey Lite SL in 31.8 comes in at 159g? Makes me rest a little easier... I thought it was supposed to be like 135-140g... My XC lo-rise @ 179g is only 20g heavier than the SL...

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    Just wanted to throw the Edge Composites bar into the mix as well. It's supposed to weight 175 at full length - 700mm. I didn't put mine on a scale so I'm not sure what they weighed, but they should be a little lighter when you cut it down to to size. I've been riding it for a couple of months and so far so good. I heard great things about their carbon rims which are too expensive for me, but I figured if they could make a carbon rim that could stand up to mountain use then they should be able to do it with bars as well. Word of warning - these bar are stiff. I went from Specialized carbon bars to the Edge bars and I really noticed an increase in stiffness which I was not expecting at all. Prior to using these bars I was pretty skeptical about the feel of different types of carbon bars, but I'm not any longer.

    http://www.edgecomposites.com/product.asp?SKU=mb

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    Salsa?

    I've had no prob's with my Easton ML XC for the past 3 years, but in building a new ride, am thinking about a Salsa Pro Moto Carbon Flat. I haven't seen real weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MI_canuck
    So the Monkey Lite SL in 31.8 comes in at 159g? Makes me rest a little easier... I thought it was supposed to be like 135-140g... My XC lo-rise @ 179g is only 20g heavier than the SL...
    I can't 100% tell from the picture, but is your MonkeyLite XC LO a 31.8 bar? Thx...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuonor
    I can't 100% tell from the picture, but is your MonkeyLite XC LO a 31.8 bar? Thx...
    Yes, my ML XC Lo-Rise is a 31.8 bar.

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    Love the FSA K force carbon bar - lightest I believe, and very strong. The Richeys are great looking (pro carbon...sexy) but just too heavy. Had the monkeylight SL and loved it too, but I put some good gashes in it and worried it would snap. Great bar, can't go wrong with Easton.
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    IMO the silver clamp of the stem looks awful. I would change the stem for let´s say, a FSA or a Thomson

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    I recently dismantled my 2009 Anthem, & built a new bike. I thought I'd get rid of my old Race Face 3/4 carbon bar as it had taken a few stacks over the years.

    Before I threw it in the bin, I did my absolute best to break it by jumping on it. No matter what I did - it would not crack. Quite impressive really.

    This non-scientific test didn't include an over tightened stem.

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