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    Builders that used Ritchey dropouts...

    Looking for mtn bike builders that used Ritchey dropout, besides Ritchey.

    Names and pics if possible. Thanks.

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    Sycip #54 has them.



    My 95 Phoenix has em'



    My 91 Salsa has them.



    My 95 Steve Potts CCR has them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    Looking for mtn bike builders that used Ritchey dropout, besides Ritchey.

    Names and pics if possible. Thanks.
    Rocky Mountain Blizzard (no pic)
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    My mystery fillet/tig frame (now my wife's commuter) has them - no eyelets.

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    my un IID'd frame

    I ask cuz my undentified frame has them, too.

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    Deore LX equipped bike that I spec'd for the 1995 model year had them. Anyone that wanted to spec them could. All one needed to do was tell their factory that's what they wanted. Of coarse there was an upcharge.
    Needed: 26.8mm XTR seatpost, blue GT/Grundig Jersey.

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    Slingshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    I ask cuz my undentified frame has them, too.

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    You will not ID the frame via the dropouts
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    Here's a pic of the dropout on my wife's bike - very nicely made frame - but by who?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fatchanceti
    Slingshots.
    Which ones? Early 90's Slingshots had Suntour dropouts.

    My 92 Sling.

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    that's the same question that I have. Who made the frame...

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    My wifes BREW has them and my 95 IF Deluxe had them.
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    Yes I am!

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    Here's the rest, knock yourself out.

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    You will not ID the frame via the dropouts
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    My wifes BREW has them and my 95 IF Deluxe had them.
    Still does.




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    Most all steel rocky mountains had them up till the mid-90s, especially the Hammer and Altitude as they used Ritchey Logic tubesets.

    Breezer used them also on many models.

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    I have a Scott Racing Team frame with them and Prestige tubing. To bad it's to small for me.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Which ones? Early 90's Slingshots had Suntour dropouts.

    My 92 Sling.


    My sling cross frame had them, not sure of the year though. MID 90's, 1.125" headset.

    My '92 mountain had the suntour dropouts though, before I had it converted to SS.

    Plum

    Edit, found a pic.
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    Last edited by Plum; 08-22-2010 at 10:26 AM.
    This post is in 3B, three beers and it looks good eh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Which ones? Early 90's Slingshots had Suntour dropouts.
    2004-ish road frame (hard to tell from this pic though)


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    So I think the consensus would be "lot's of builders used them, doesn't really mean much. They were easily specced and readily available to whoever wanted dropouts"

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    I have a set of Ritchey rear dropouts that I ordered from QBP back in '92 or '93. Why? Dunno. They were cheap, and I guess at the time I thought I had some use for them. They were around $10-12 then if I recall correctly.

    I mention this just to underscore that this is not a useful metric for frame identification.

    That is a nice looking frame. I suspect that the cable stops, seatpost cluster (and seatpost diameter) and any markings on the BB shell would be a good place to look for help in ID'ing it. Those are kind of interesting top tube cable stops, kind of distinctive. Maybe someone will recognize them?

    Looks like a DKG seat binder, but again ... that doesn't help narrow it down much. Lots of builders used them, as well as aftermarket sales.

    /shrug
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    [QUOTE=oldschoolcolo]<center>

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    Sticker with only the main frame tubes showing as Chromo would imply that rear triangle was lower quality hi-ten steel...
    I seem to remember a lot of 80's bmx'ers built that way.





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    Some more pictures of my wife's bike (sorry for minor thread hijack):

    View from the rear showing fillet work on brace and Salsa-esque rear canti stop:



    Somewhat unusual chainstays - tapering oval-to-round tubes with flat sides on the oval section:



    Very clean tig work at the headtube:



    I just love the way the builder mounted stops to produce this perfect fan of cables when viewed from the drive side:



    The smooth transition from stays to dropout is very similar to Rumpfy's beautiful Potts, would probably look even better with something better than its current rattlecan paintjob:



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    Builders still use them- I have a set of the socket style waiting for an upcoming build.
    Eric Estlund
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve


    Sticker with only the main frame tubes showing as Chromo would imply that rear triangle was lower quality hi-ten steel...
    I seem to remember a lot of 80's bmx'ers built that way.
    Steve
    Not really. Most frames with a tubing sticker only have one, on the main triangle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve
    Sticker with only the main frame tubes showing as Chromo would imply that rear triangle was lower quality hi-ten steel...
    I seem to remember a lot of 80's bmx'ers built that way.

    Steve
    @Shiggy: I think he was making a distinction you missed. This is similar to the 'tre-tubi' for mixed set Columbus steel road bikes.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Mongoose sticker pack

    [QUOTE=eastcoaststeve]
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    Sticker with only the main frame tubes showing as Chromo would imply that rear triangle was lower quality hi-ten steel...
    I seem to remember a lot of 80's bmx'ers built that way.





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    Yes, that sticker is left over from a mongoose sticker pack and is not orig to that frame.

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    DeKerf.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Not really. Most frames with a tubing sticker only have one, on the main triangle.
    Many a frame even in early MTB days had one or all three main tubes chromoly with hi-ten stays. Very common even up as high as 500 retail.
    Needed: 26.8mm XTR seatpost, blue GT/Grundig Jersey.

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    Legally the only tube that has to be whatever the sticker claims as the material, is the one its placed one, most commonly the seattube. You even see this discrepency with high end frames. Norco had a model that had the Tange Prestige Ultimate Ultrastrong decal for example at the base of the downtube, but the seat tube was Ultimate Ultralight, the toptube ultimate superlight and the stays were regular Tange prestige. I think it was the 1994 Nitro model. Or maybe the T.N.T.

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    Detail on the previously mentions Slingshot roady (again, I think it was a 2004 ish, but it has no serial number due to the special build)

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    Similar to the shot of my brother's (Plum) Slingshot CXer.

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    There are a few details that help to define who the builder may have been...

    the use of the reinforced seat tube split for the clamp, the side mounted triple cable routing, the no nonsense design all point to a New England Fat descendant.

    The most telling characteristic is the welded on "frame id/serial number" on the non-drive top side of the bottom bracket; a trait common to only one builder I'm familiar with...

    Chris Igleheart

    Send him an email, see if the frame rings any bells with him.

    cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechagouki
    Some more pictures of my wife's bike (sorry for minor thread hijack):

    View from the rear showing fillet work on brace and Salsa-esque rear canti stop:



    Somewhat unusual chainstays - tapering oval-to-round tubes with flat sides on the oval section:



    Very clean tig work at the headtube:



    I just love the way the builder mounted stops to produce this perfect fan of cables when viewed from the drive side:



    The smooth transition from stays to dropout is very similar to Rumpfy's beautiful Potts, would probably look even better with something better than its current rattlecan paintjob:


    Cool bike..
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    My Ritchey has them..
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

    Want:
    650B rims or wheel set. 80's vintage 32 or 36 x 135mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff
    My Ritchey has them..
    see post #1....

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    Mid- to late 90s Stumpjumper had Ritchey Dropouts.
    Also, had a Bianchi Vigorelli (road, 2001), with the socket-style Ritchey drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rody
    There are a few details that help to define who the builder may have been...

    the use of the reinforced seat tube split for the clamp, the side mounted triple cable routing, the no nonsense design all point to a New England Fat descendant.

    The most telling characteristic is the welded on "frame id/serial number" on the non-drive top side of the bottom bracket; a trait common to only one builder I'm familiar with...

    Chris Igleheart

    Send him an email, see if the frame rings any bells with him.

    cheers,

    rody
    Igleheart uses Paragon drop-outs and disc brake mounts in his current frames. Don't know if they have markings identifying them as such. The disc mount he welded on my 1'' steer tube Kona P2 has no markings.

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    Rockhoppers too

    The same drop outs were on the 1999 Specialized Rockhopper too, Ritchey NiTi (nitanium) tubing as well as drop outs. Great frame that Supergo was blowing out for $100 or so. I wish I would have bought a few!

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    Norco Team 853's had the Ritchey socket dropouts in 99.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo_pop_71
    The same drop outs were on the 1999 Specialized Rockhopper too, Ritchey NiTi (nitanium) tubing as well as drop outs. Great frame that Supergo was blowing out for $100 or so. I wish I would have bought a few!
    Just bought the GF one of those - cool lookin frameset.


    Also, VooDoo Cycles (through 2000ish) had Ritchey Dropouts.

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    Serotta T-Max has Ritchey dropouts

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    5 of mine........................updated this morning

    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    Looking for mtn bike builders that used Ritchey dropout, besides Ritchey.

    Names and pics if possible. Thanks.
    Off the top of my head:
    1. RM Blizzard, late 80's vintage
    2. Fisher Pro Caliber, steel version, warranty frame.........last year before they went to
    Aluminum
    3.Dekerf Generation 1999/2000 Ritchey sockets

    I went out to the shop and checked a few other bikes..........found 2 more with Ritchey dropouts:
    4. Voodoo Cross (prototype) Ritchey sockets
    5.Salsa Ala Carte
    2 wheels good
    Last edited by elrancho66; 08-24-2010 at 02:35 PM.

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    We have a winner!! 1995 Igleheart

    Quote Originally Posted by Rody
    There are a few details that help to define who the builder may have been...

    the use of the reinforced seat tube split for the clamp, the side mounted triple cable routing, the no nonsense design all point to a New England Fat descendant.

    The most telling characteristic is the welded on "frame id/serial number" on the non-drive top side of the bottom bracket; a trait common to only one builder I'm familiar with...

    Chris Igleheart

    Send him an email, see if the frame rings any bells with him.

    cheers,

    rody
    Here's story from Chris:

    "Wow, Yes I did make that bike back in Hillsboro, Oregon in 1995, I think it was. Made it for a racer woman who quit racing right after she got it & never fulfilled her obligation to race it. So it goes. Hope you are enjoying it. It is made of Reynolds 653 tubing the year before 853 was released. Seems so long ago & far away. I weld on a name or initials on the BB shell for serial #'s.
    I am out here in Massachusetts, things change but sill making bikes.
    It has my favorite, now discontinued, suspension fork on it too.
    Hope it has given you many miles of smiles.
    Thanks for tracking me down, I love seeing old bikes still doing what they are supposed to be doing. "

    Thanks for the tip Rody!

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    So now we know what oldschoolcolo's bike is, doesn't anyone have an idea on an ID for my wife's frame above? Only distinguishing feature I haven't shown is two bosses to mount a chainsuck device on the underside of the chainstay. It's such a nice frame I can't believe it was just an amateur build, tubing is very thin walled - top tube flexes under thumb/finger pressure - bare frame is sub 4lbs (16 inch frame).

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    Mechagouki,

    The way the stays are finished at the dropouts and the missing CS bridge, the back end looks a lot like my wifes BREW 180 Proof, Her bike has noodles at the seat collar instead of stops though. He bike is Prestige tubing and Steve didn't bother to sleeve the seat tube at the top, which appears to be the case with yours too. Her bike cracked under the collar due to the light tubing not being sleeved; Rody sorted that for me. However, on her bike the original collar detail was different than the Salsa style yours has.

    Now BREWs have really ugly plate dropouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    Here's story from Chris:


    "Thanks for tracking me down, I love seeing old bikes still doing what they are supposed to be doing. "
    dang that was quick. I guess I need to do a better job of stalking him - ha ha. Sent an email last week and a phone call over the weekend!

    FCTi

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    My Ritchey does not, however, if he brazed them, they are his...
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    alpine design out of sandpoint, id used them, at least in 98 on their xc-1 frame.

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