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    UPDATE UPDATE - DAY 43

    So last Wednesday I went in for surgery #2. The doctor removed a piece of skin from my pale upper thigh to use for my skin graft. I was unconcious for the surgery but holy hell beast did it hurt the next several days. The removal site was heinously painful. Every 10-15 min I could feel this wave of pain and my thigh would LIGHT UP. It felt like someone was putting 4 cigars out on my leg... it was bad.

    The graft site was sealed under the sponge and wound VAC combo so I didn't really get to see it. It felt like some punched my in the hole about a dozen times... probably from the staples.

    So yesterday I got my first look at... GROSS. It kind of smelled bad too. The cubed-steak appearance is from the "mesher" that they run the skin through to increase pliability and surface area. Anyhow, the doctor was pleased with how it is coming along. He removed most of the staples and I'm FINALLY done with the VAC. That damn VAC was a pain in my ass.

    I tried to sit on my bike just to see if I had enough mobility to get complete a pedal rotation... it still puts too much tension on the hole. I think it'll be at least a week before I can even use a bike and 2-3 more to actually ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE UPDATE - DAY 43

    So last Wednesday I went in for surgery #2. The doctor removed a piece of skin from my pale upper thigh to use for my skin graft. I was unconcious for the surgery but holy hell beast did it hurt the next several days. The removal site was heinously painful. Every 10-15 min I could feel this wave of pain and my thigh would LIGHT UP. It felt like someone was putting 4 cigars out on my leg... it was bad.

    The graft site was sealed under the sponge and wound VAC combo so I didn't really get to see it. It felt like some punched my in the hole about a dozen times... probably from the staples.

    So yesterday I got my first look at... GROSS. It kind of smelled bad too. The cubed-steak appearance is from the "mesher" that they run the skin through to increase pliability and surface area. Anyhow, the doctor was pleased with how it is coming along. He removed most of the staples and I'm FINALLY done with the VAC. That damn VAC was a pain in my ass.

    I tried to sit on my bike just to see if I had enough mobility to get complete a pedal rotation... it still puts too much tension on the hole. I think it'll be at least a week before I can even use a bike and 2-3 more to actually ride.
    43 days and it still looks gross
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    43 days later and my shins still get the heebe-jeebies looking at this post....however this is up there with the best of'em.....informative and dang relevant

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    now buying shin guards and shaving legs

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    It is true - shaving your legs will turn them into calves of iron. No pedal will pierce them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE UPDATE ... I might have to lug this 3+lb vacuum apparatus around for a month.
    Boners.
    See if they can get one that will fit in a water bottle cage!

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    Omg. I can't imagine the pain you would have been going through. ****

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    Phew, God, arghhh
    Mate. What can I say
    Upside - chicks dig scars

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    C'mon Mr Bloot,
    it's time you shared with the world what you can do with a brake lever. Did someone say nutcracker?

    Derockus, full credit to you mate, you sure don't do things by halves. Your attitude is inspirational, testing out riding position how many days after the last op?

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    UPDATE DAY 53

    This is what a skin graft looks like 13 days after surgery. Oh man does it feel so much better. It'll begin to ache after a whole busy day, but otherwise no worries. Kicked the narco habit I was working on last week so I'm pretty pain-free. I even been riding my bike around the block; no hammering but I've got to start getting limber again!
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    ^^That's gonna leave a scar!

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    Nice! Glad to hear that you're riding your bike as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE DAY 53

    This is what a skin graft looks like 13 days after surgery. Oh man does it feel so much better. It'll begin to ache after a whole busy day, but otherwise no worries. Kicked the narco habit I was working on last week so I'm pretty pain-free. I even been riding my bike around the block; no hammering but I've got to start getting limber again!

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    thats gonna look so effing gnarly when its fully healed
    I lubed my disc brakes because they squeaked.
    Man was that fun to work out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlock
    this wouldnt have happened if you shaved your legs
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

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    Rock Park in FL...they have rocks in FL ?

    Man, glad you are healing up that is insane!

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    For future reference

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE DAY 53

    This is what a skin graft looks like 13 days after surgery. Oh man does it feel so much better. It'll begin to ache after a whole busy day, but otherwise no worries. Kicked the narco habit I was working on last week so I'm pretty pain-free. I even been riding my bike around the block; no hammering but I've got to start getting limber again!

    I am sorry for giving you this advice AFTER the fact --

    But, if you or anyone you know has something similar happen in the future,
    PLEASE find a physio/ Chiro/ ND -- SOMEone that a 'cold' or 'soft' laser.

    I have seen the study on a woman that had an arm that was engulfed w/flesh-eating bacteria. All courses of anti-biotics had failed and her surgeon was ready to take her arm to save her life. A few days of treatment and she was okay.

    I have used them several times over the past 17 years, just recently to heal some severely bruised ribs -- I fell 10 feet onto my handlebar -- and I was riding 5 days later, after 3 days of treatment. After the first day of treatment, (6 'shots' of 10 minutes, preceded and followed by 10 minutes of ice -- hourly), the stabbing pain when I took a deep breath was gone.
    My therapist estimates 1200 -1300 pounds of force hit my rib and a normal 3 week recovery time...

    They were developed originally in the Netherlands for dental use -- they operate on the same wavelength as the mitochondria in the cell and dump in 7x the energy the cell needs to function, kicking up mitochrondrial functions across the board.
    The cells first order is to function -- if it is damaged or under stress, it must get extra energy, somehow, from somewhere.

    Here in Denver, the Broncos and Avalanche employ them, for example.
    Too bad your docs did not know about them -- you could have avoided this whole debacle.

    2 years ago, I crashed into a downed tree and landed on my right knee, with my Carbon Racer-X crushing into my patella -- it became a razor knife that cut all the way down to the patella -- I had a big flap of skin hanging down when I got up -- looked similar to what you had. I had a doc that took 3 1/2 hours sewing me up - 3 layers of stiches.
    I lasered the heck out of it and had the stitches out in 5 days(!). I was riding, easy, in 10 days.
    If that frame had hit my thigh, though, I doubt that I'd be typing this.



    Here's to a speedy and full recovery, regardless.

    Happy Trails!

    Blessings, Marc

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    holy shizzaa! To anyone who thinks knee pads are not needed- i'll direct them to this thread

    Good to see that you are on the mend bro. Ride on!

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    OK, I wish I had a picture but I did about that same thing on the side of my calf in about 1992. It was someone else's chainring that did it and in went in the other direction, from bottom up. Basically a low-speed pileup in a large charity ride (5 Borough Bike Tour). I still had both legs around the top tube and I stood up to look at my taco'ed rear wheel and thought "Damn, I can't finish the ride on that wheel." Then I looked at my leg and almost fell over. The thing that got me was it WASN'T really bleeding, but I could see all the different layers of stuff down to the bone. Anyway, 8 hours in the ER and they didn't have to graft anything. They left the would partially open so it would not lock anything nasty inside. So, basically it was oozing and bleeding for weeks.

    Here's my best memory: I was in the ER in Brooklyn, and the doctor comes in, scratches his chin and says "Hmmm, this is complicated," then leaves. He brings back another doctor and they both look at it and whisper to each other, then they both leave. Finally, they come back with a third doctor, who is a cardiac surgeon, and he is the one who ends up doing the stitches.

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    Wow dude... I am buying knee/shin guards ASAP... thank you do much for the post. Thank the lord for crank bros pedals... the "child proof" pedal for us beginners

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    Impressive! That is a battle wound to talk about!

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    Been lurking this fascinating thread. Gross and irresistible at the same time. Thanks for sharing and good to see you're better!

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    thats one of those injuries that probably hurts more after seeing it

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    UPDATE - DAY 60

    I took this picture to show how HUGE the scar is on my leg. It still looks knarly but it feels so much better. My range of motion is back to 100%. I can finally strech my quads again, which is such a relief. I definitely lost a lot of strength and flexibility though. If I squat down like I'm pooping in a hole I can really feel that my knee is weaker. It'll come back though. The good news I can ride my bike again! I haven't hit any single track yet but I've been pounding the pavement on the road bike the last few days. Haha, I rode in the pouring rain the other day and I realized I'd rather be riding in full on conditions than spend one more fuc*ing day on the couch. I have to move further down in southwest FL next week (job transfer) so I'm struggling to find time to get on the trails in the next few weeks. If anyone wants to ride in the Ft. Myers area around mid-October let me know. I'm not sure there're many good trails there (Alva?) but maybe we could get over to Markham. I haven't done much riding south of Alafia.

    I'm glad everyone has enjoyed this thread! I never used to troll the "rider down" board... thought it would be a jinx. But now I gotta at least sympathize with everyone. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend wanted to rip my head off at least a dozen times. She said it best talking with her sister, "You try to keep Michael [her husband] inside for a two months and see how he acts!" I was a caged animal!

    Lokiboy8 - When I first read your post I thought you were nuts. I looked around and it turns out there are a lot of reports/studys comparing VAC therapy and Low Intensity Laser Therapy. I'd never heard of it, but I'm going to ask the Dr. about it next time I see him. I'm sure it's too late now, but if there's ever a next time. Also, do you have a laser at home that you zap yourself with??
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    Glad to see you've come along well... 60 days, man that's a lot to go through. Then you get transferred and have to deal with moving. Hope it all goes well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE - DAY 60

    I took this picture to show how HUGE the scar is on my leg. It still looks knarly but it feels so much better. My range of motion is back to 100%. I can finally strech my quads again, which is such a relief. I definitely lost a lot of strength and flexibility though. If I squat down like I'm pooping in a hole I can really feel that my knee is weaker. It'll come back though. The good news I can ride my bike again! I haven't hit any single track yet but I've been pounding the pavement on the road bike the last few days. Haha, I rode in the pouring rain the other day and I realized I'd rather be riding in full on conditions than spend one more fuc*ing day on the couch. I have to move further down in southwest FL next week (job transfer) so I'm struggling to find time to get on the trails in the next few weeks. If anyone wants to ride in the Ft. Myers area around mid-October let me know. I'm not sure there're many good trails there (Alva?) but maybe we could get over to Markham. I haven't done much riding south of Alafia.

    I'm glad everyone has enjoyed this thread! I never used to troll the "rider down" board... thought it would be a jinx. But now I gotta at least sympathize with everyone. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend wanted to rip my head off at least a dozen times. She said it best talking with her sister, "You try to keep Michael [her husband] inside for a two months and see how he acts!" I was a caged animal!

    Lokiboy8 - When I first read your post I thought you were nuts. I looked around and it turns out there are a lot of reports/studys comparing VAC therapy and Low Intensity Laser Therapy. I'd never heard of it, but I'm going to ask the Dr. about it next time I see him. I'm sure it's too late now, but if there's ever a next time. Also, do you have a laser at home that you zap yourself with??
    I live in Lehigh Acres. I am about 20 minutes from the Alva trail (Caloosahatchee Regional Park). There is a trail maintenance day scheduled for 9/20 and another on 9/27. Markham is around 2 hours away.

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    Thanks for keeping us up to date for the past 2 months! We all want to see riders that get hurt heal-up and get back on the bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    I took this picture to show how HUGE the scar is on my leg. It still looks knarly but it feels so much better. My range of motion is back to 100%. I can finally strech my quads again, which is such a relief. I definitely lost a lot of strength and flexibility though. If I squat down like I'm pooping in a hole I can really feel that my knee is weaker. It'll come back though. The good news I can ride my bike again! I haven't hit any single track yet but I've been pounding the pavement on the road bike the last few days. Haha, I rode in the pouring rain the other day and I realized I'd rather be riding in full on conditions than spend one more fuc*ing day on the couch.
    Yep, I know what that's like. I hurt my shoulder and I couldn't stay off my bike for more than 1.5 weeks. My shoulder was still jacked, but I needed to ride and could so I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    I'm pretty sure my girlfriend wanted to rip my head off at least a dozen times. She said it best talking with her sister, "You try to keep Michael [her husband] inside for a two months and see how he acts!" I was a caged animal!
    It's interesting the stuff you learn on here!

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    I looked around and it turns out there are a lot of reports/studys comparing VAC therapy and Low Intensity Laser Therapy.

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    Man that's some wound! I read about half the thread and had to look at something else for a bit because I got a little light headed. Never thought those pedals would fillet skin out like that. Next time I need to clean a Catfish, I'll dig up some old pedals... lol. So have you got some new pedals and shin guards yet?

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    You are not alone in thinking I am looney

    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    UPDATE - DAY 60

    I took this picture to show how HUGE the scar is on my leg. It still looks knarly but it feels so much better. My range of motion is back to 100%. I can finally strech my quads again, which is such a relief. I definitely lost a lot of strength and flexibility though. If I squat down like I'm pooping in a hole I can really feel that my knee is weaker. It'll come back though. The good news I can ride my bike again! I haven't hit any single track yet but I've been pounding the pavement on the road bike the last few days. Haha, I rode in the pouring rain the other day and I realized I'd rather be riding in full on conditions than spend one more fuc*ing day on the couch. I have to move further down in southwest FL next week (job transfer) so I'm struggling to find time to get on the trails in the next few weeks. If anyone wants to ride in the Ft. Myers area around mid-October let me know. I'm not sure there're many good trails there (Alva?) but maybe we could get over to Markham. I haven't done much riding south of Alafia.

    I'm glad everyone has enjoyed this thread! I never used to troll the "rider down" board... thought it would be a jinx. But now I gotta at least sympathize with everyone. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend wanted to rip my head off at least a dozen times. She said it best talking with her sister, "You try to keep Michael [her husband] inside for a two months and see how he acts!" I was a caged animal!

    Lokiboy8 - When I first read your post I thought you were nuts. I looked around and it turns out there are a lot of reports/studys comparing VAC therapy and Low Intensity Laser Therapy. I'd never heard of it, but I'm going to ask the Dr. about it next time I see him. I'm sure it's too late now, but if there's ever a next time. Also, do you have a laser at home that you zap yourself with??
    MOST people probably think that I am 'bat-s#ht crazy" at some level....

    Like the nurse who repaired my left shin w/ 17 stitches after it got fileted (similar wound!) by my computer mount after I clipped my bar on a rock at 22 mph.
    I told her I'd be back in 3-4 days to get them out. She said, "Yeah, r.iiiiiii..ght..."
    4 days later she had that "Why are you wasting my time..." look on her face -- until she uncovered the wound. Her jaw gaped open, and she said,"What was that laser thing you were talking about, again?"
    Enough war stories about me -- the point here is you and healing -- as fast as possible so that you can avoid what you have gone through with necrosis, etc.

    Wonderful to hear that you are back on the saddle! Yes!

    I spent 5 1/2 months on crutches in '92 from a tibia plateau fracture, so I can relate BIG time.

    The best laser that I have used is a big 'scanning' version that is on a stand. You can do big areas with it -- they run about 10 grand.
    Some smaller portable units are in the 2-6000 range, I believe.
    So, no -- despite my saying for YEARS that I want buy one -- I haven't yet.
    But I have a $6000+ carbon fiber Titus, of course.....!

    Now, here's an interesting point -- The FDA has not approved them for medical use. That is why you see the latenite info-mercials selling "red-lights". Not the same thing. REAL LASERS are not 19.95 w/ shipping/handling and taxes extra.
    I have a friend that is a DC and his uncle, Alvin Stjernholm, was instrumental in developing and pioneering their use during the late '80's and early 90's.
    Lee does not charge any of his patients that need to use his lasers -- if someone just wants to come in and laser -- he is fine with that, as long as they wait their turn, if there is a paying client that needs to use it, of course.
    Lee gets around the FDA by saying, "lets just shine this light on your_______ and see if it feels better."
    Just one of the things he has done with it is getting epileptics off of their meds and getting their Driver's Licenses back!!

    At full power, some people(me) can feel a slight tingling on the skin.
    The best efficacy has been shown to occur by icing before and after, due to the incremental heating in the tissue due to increased mitochrondrial output. This creates a "pumping effect, not unlike using heat and ice every other hour for deep tissue bruising and soreness.

    Effects from the laser are analgesic, anti-inflammatory and anti-biotic.

    Just start looking around in your area for a Naturopath, DC, physio-therapist, Rehab Clinic, etc., that has these things. There might be some allopathic docs that do, but they are the rarity, I'm afraid.

    Because the question is not IF you will be injured again -- the question is WHEN.
    Risk. Life. Adventure.
    That's what happens when you get up out of bed or up off the couch and head out the door ---

    Like my friend, Anthony Sloan used to say -

    "Always ride......."

    Happy Trails!

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    I'm really glad to hear you've healed up well. Thanks for all the updates!

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    Ouch man that was a bad one. Just seen this but it is good you are well on the mend and it looks so much better. This reinforces my always wearing shin/knee armour when I am out on the trails. Lord knows they have enough gouges on them.

    Note to self to hide this thread from the wife

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucero
    It is true - shaving your legs will turn them into calves of iron. No pedal will pierce them.
    You sir, have made my night. Good one!
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    man...glad you are healing up.......and you know what, this could have happened to any one of us.......My worst one was once I endoed a high-speed, the bike went up in the air and landed right on top of my head.....thank goodness for helmets!

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    Your leg = me wanting to vomit...

    I'm new to MTB'ing...and now going to the closest LBS to get some shin/knee guards
    before I go ride another trail.
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    Six months ago I would have avoided this thread like the plague. Unfortunately three months ago I shattered my heel wakeboarding and nothing seems as gross anymore.
    I can really relate to you being on the crutches and wanting to ride. I just got back on two weeks ago. I'm glad I couldn't see my injury other than some real cool colored skin.

    Anywho, great spirit and attitude! I think a tattoo integrating the scar would be the ticket, after the tenderness goes away of course.

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    UPDATE - DAY 75

    Check it out, my skin is smoothing out finally. The waffle pattern is starting to disappear as well. While the wound isn't 100% totally healed and sealed I'm back to 100% health as far as I'm concerned. No more restrictions on swimming, biking, whatever. I think it's gonna take at least 6 months to a year for the scar to really set and harden up. The graft is really sensitive to sunlight, though. I usually cover it up when I'm at the beach or out fishing. I also went a rode hard on the trails for the first time! The shinguards fit fine and didn't cause any discomfort. I admit I was a little mellow at first but I got back into it quick enough. SHRED OR DIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlock
    this wouldnt have happened if you shaved your legs
    Side note: Trimming/shaving leg hair makes it WAAAAAY easier to pull out cactus needles.

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    whats it look like now?? haha, it's shaped like an "A"

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    Adulterer!

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    I can't look, love my SPDs....

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    [QUOTE=derockus]UPDATE UPDATE - DAY 43


    Are you wearing pink underwear?
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    so are you switching to eggbeaters?
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    FINALLY someone notices!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuck_chorris
    so are you switching to eggbeaters?

    No, the legbeaters are working fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuck_chorris
    so are you switching to eggbeaters?
    I'm not sure yet... I am sure that I'm done with SPD for mtb. Too hard to clip in and out of, for road they're fine though. Lately I've just been riding on platforms. I like being able to put my foot down quickly without having to sprain my ankle to unclip. Maybe eggies are much easier? They just seem so small and if you have to clip out and then in quickly I feel like I'm just gonna miss the clip. Doesn't it feel like you're standing on a marble?
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    I just installed the Shimano SH-56 Multi-Release and I can't believe the difference. I wiped out on a water crossing the other day, and it happened so quickly I couldn't think about getting out, it just happened. I use the Forte Campus pedal that is like your Shimano's, but I think I going to change to the 520's based on your incident and what a pain it can be trying to flip the pedal around to clipin.

    By the way, I was off my clipless for about 4 weeks after a nasty crash I had... nothing like yours, but I beat myself up pretty good. I'm excited about the clipless again! I'd say you'd do better with the clipless and shinguards. Either way, I'm glad you back on the bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derockus
    I'm not sure yet... I am sure that I'm done with SPD for mtb. Too hard to clip in and out of, for road they're fine though. Lately I've just been riding on platforms. I like being able to put my foot down quickly without having to sprain my ankle to unclip. Maybe eggies are much easier? They just seem so small and if you have to clip out and then in quickly I feel like I'm just gonna miss the clip. Doesn't it feel like you're standing on a marble?
    I have the Crank Brothers Candy pedals and no, it doesn't feel like you're standing on marbles, at least to me it doesn't. Mine have a little "platform" for you to "stand" on if you miss clipping in at a crucial point in the ride. To me, they appear to be easier to clip in to... with the Shimano spids, it looks like you have to snipe the leading edge of the cleat into the pedal or it's a complete miss and you won't clip in. With the Candy pedals and the Crank Brothers cleats, you can put the edge of your toe on the back edge of the pedal, and slide your foot towards the front of the pedal (keeping the sole of your shoe parallel to the ground) and you'll clip in 100% of the time. You can also do it in reverse - put the arch of your foot on the front of the pedal, and slide your foot back, and it'll clip you in as well.

    Back to the marble thing - as long as the sole of your shoe is somewhat stiff, it disperses the pressure of the pedal over all of the balls of your foot and some of the arch, so on the down stroke it doesn't feel any different than a platform, to me at least. Starting out biking this summer, I went right to spids, but I've had a couple parking lot rides on bike shop bikes testing them out when my friend was shopping, and it feels similar.

    For what it's worth, I'm getting some platforms for the winter because clipless and Rays MTB park don't mix, me thinks. Being able to instantly put a foot down is an attractive quality the platforms have over clipless, but for longer XC rides (what I usually do), clipless all the time.
    Now with eggs.

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    my coworker looked over when I was looking at the photos.... see almost puked.

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    i agree, if you miss getting the nose of the cleat into the clip on spd, you're gonna have problems... then you end up having to look down and your feet to see if you're even on the right side of the pedal, very distracting and not helpful for mtb.

    yeah, it seems like everyone is happy with all the crank bros pedals. i'd like to give them a shot first before dropping $100 on something i may never use. i've been keeping a look out on craiglist to see if anything comes up. the cb mallets interest me because of their large, platform base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgfthntr
    my coworker looked over when I was looking at the photos.... see almost puked.
    Good to hear!
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