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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa View Post
    Six weeks ago, I was bitten by an Eastern Brown Snake. They are pretty nasty snakes. They're the second most deadly snake on the planet and one ounce of their venom is enough to kill 12,000 adult males.

    Total cost to me for health care here in Australia has been $0.00.

    Australia has a first world SOCIALIST health care system, when the sh*t hits the fan.

    Since mid November three people have died from being bitten by Eastern Brown Snakes in Queensland. Luckily, I was bitten in New South Wales.

    Warren.
    Thanks, mate. Rub it in. More and more of us in the U.S. are realizing that there are some serious conflict of interest and ethical problems with letting medicine and healthcare be a completely free-market, for-profit enterprise.
    Are we the only First-world nation left where this is how medicine is done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad72 View Post
    Wow, in Australia if the MRI is ordered by a specialist the cost is $0.00. We are certainly lucky.
    Wow. this thread is beginning to make me really despise Australians a LOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Another member was bitten by a rattlesnake and paid around $100,000 for the dr visit.
    Ouch! Man, that is crazy.

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    Ray, G'day. Yes we Aussies can be very despicable, I agree ... but please don't think that we are being smug.

    I can't came to grips with why the cost of medical treatment is so high in the US, be it from litigation or greed. The state of New South Wales is the most litigious place on earth and health care is practically free for non-elective treatments and surgery. For many, basic GP consultations are free and treatment in casualty departments of public hospitals is also free. Non-elective surgery in public hospitals is free. Referrals for tests and treatments are free.

    In the US, it doesn't appear as though a person pays for a medical treatment or a health service, but is held to ransom to be kept alive. I thought that holding people to ransom was illegal? I wouldn't imagine that US citizens get different or better medical treatment than we do in Oz. I'd imagine that medical procedures, patient care and the drugs given are identical.

    In Australia if the conservative politicians dismantled our public health care system, which they at times threaten to do, there would be civil disobedience, of the likes not seen before in Australia.

    Affordable quality health care is a human right ... not just a privilege within the domain of the wealthy. Good luck, take care or ... rider heal thy self.

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    Here in the Philippines, we have a socialized pricing scheme in determining doctor's fees and hospital bills. The doctor's fees and other hospital bills like OR, DR etc depends on what category your room is. If you're admitted in the ward you pay lower than semi-private, private or suite room. And not surprisingly, how the doctor relates to you is also dependent on your accommodations. When my brother was admitted for an appendectomy, he was admitted initially in a private room because the admissions clerk of the hospital said there were no more beds in the ward. During his stay in the private room the doctor was fawning on him and really caring and concerned. When he transferred to the ward after surgery, the same doctor was suddenly cold, patronizing and dismissive.

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    Here in the States medical coverage has become a joke. Insurance has become so expensive I can almost not afford it. If our family did have a medical expense it would be at minimum $10K out of pocket covering the deductible then we are still on the hook for 20%. So in effect unless one of us gets very sick requiring massive care our expensive insurance is effectively worthless. Honestly this is sad. Today I'm working as a professional having to buy my own insurance after taxes yet 20 years ago working part time I had better insurance and all provided through the employer.

    I have a friend who is a doctor and pays nearly $60K in malpractice insurance alone. His fees not only need to cover this fee, but also cover paying his staff and other expenses. One of his largest expenses is dealing with recovering costs from the patients insurance companies.

    If I could just bypass paying insurance and pay the doctor directly for a reasonable yearly fee covering any and all medical needs for the family that would be ideal.

    In the end I think the entire medical system we have today needs to be restructured providing meaningful for an affordable cost. Till then our medical industry is broken. Way I feel about it is that medical coverage should be a basic human right, not an economic discriminator.

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    what I don't understand is how much does a war in Afghanistan for example cost per day to run? Yet your politicians seem so resistant to a free (gov subsidized?) health care system (a safety net for the sick, unfortunate - or the average Joe), yet so supportive of war type spending, how can a society founded on what seems to be worthy humanitarian values be so callous on its own people?

    I've heard stories of people bankrupted by treatment or having to continue to work whilst having Chemo, what's going on in the land of milk and honey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejason View Post
    Yes, they charge too much. For a bad dislocated finger and a small break (two small chips under finger) they charger me 3900 to set the finger, three X-rays, and two finger splints. They had to take three X-rays because they didn't set it right the first pull. (still no movement) And i told them this but sent me for an X-ray anyway. Its been one month and i can now at least bend it to a 90 degree angle.
    How much might that finger be worth to you if a medical professional had not helped you and you ended up losing its function?

    I would imagine that you would pay much more than your listed price!

    If you compare the medical bill of a professional with upwards to 10 years of higher education to that of a plumber with a GED, then you would understand. Most gasp when looking at the bill for fixing a toilet and your body is much more complicated and valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Well this is UNBELIEVABLE stuff, the average person here like me doesnt pay a cent to see a doctor, X-rays are free, if i break my arm its free to fix it, we have medicare that pays for all that, i just show them my card and thats the last thing i hear of it, yes we pay for it in out taxes but after reading these stories im damn happy about that.
    The only thing thats not free is dental work.
    Whats going on over there?
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    I have to apologize to you as I now notice that you live in Australia. My words are meant for us Americans and our nice little situation.

    The problem is in the fact that you paid for your parent's Medicare and we are paying for your coverage as prices increase exponentially, each year. Unfortuantely, after I have paid for yours, there will be nothing in the pot for those of my generation.

    Enjoy your "free" care while it lasts!
    If you were to copare what you have paid in to what you have paid, you are making out like a bandit, my friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    To the OP, thanks for posting your experiences. I think this just highlights what's wrong with the medical care system here in the US. The sad fact is that Obamamama Care will only drive up medical costs and insurance costs (why do you think the insurance cos supported it), with the tax payers, (yes, that 10% of the population) footing the bill.
    Special Interest is alive and well, at least for the foreseeable future.
    Once it's fully implemented, and the non-contributing start get financially screwed, the government and insurance companies can really start to screw us hard.
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    Americans are scared of the word "socialism", even if it saves them and the govt money.
    How so ?
    All estimates, as they relate to this subject, claim drastic increases in cost for everyone.

    OP,
    Not sure what to say ... The system is not perfect, but the approach our government has taken, only ensures that it will get worse.

    There's a lot of reset buttons that need to be pushed

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    We pay for everything, but we all by law have to have a basic health insurance. It's the Swiss life. Low taxes, so nobody has an excuse not to pay for insurances. I have had the best surgeons and doctors so I can't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBoy View Post
    How much might that finger be worth to you if a medical professional had not helped you and you ended up losing its function?

    I would imagine that you would pay much more than your listed price!

    If you compare the medical bill of a professional with upwards to 10 years of higher education to that of a plumber with a GED, then you would understand. Most gasp when looking at the bill for fixing a toilet and your body is much more complicated and valuable.
    Boiseboy, Of coarse i think my finger is worth $$$. But i had the same thing happen just a few years ago and the bill was 400.00. I had a **** PA that took care of me. After the first time she tried to straighten the finger, i told her it needed one more adjustment. (the finger was still locked in place). But send me for more X-rays anyway and then of coarse had to adjust the finger. I do know the Med. field a bit and it was just a jammed finger!!!!! If it was a real break or something a bit more serious i could understand a little more.

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    yeah,agree it,No they are charging the usual and customary amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa View Post
    Six weeks ago, I was bitten by an Eastern Brown Snake. They are pretty nasty snakes. They're the second most deadly snake on the planet and one ounce of their venom is enough to kill 12,000 adult males, supposedly.

    Total cost to me for health care here in Australia has been $0.00. The Ambulance Service charge for taking me to hospital, for 53 kilometres or 33 miles was $960. The New South Wale's government paid a subsidy of $471 toward the bill, so the balance of $489, is paid by having private ambulance coverage, which is a family cover, costing $86 for the year.

    Self portrait with pressure bandage, tightly put on to slow the flow of venom.

    Australia has a first world SOCIALIST health care system, for when the sh*t's hitting the fan. When the fan isn't on, our system is probably like everywhere else. People waiting long periods for treatment or the well insured paying big bucks, for a speedier service delivery.

    Since mid November three people have died from being bitten by Eastern Brown Snakes in Queensland. Luckily, I was bitten in New South Wales.Warren.
    Wild

    Where were you when you got bitten, and how did you contact the ambulance? Most of your rides seem to be solo affairs in remote locations.

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    Wombat, G'day. I was on the Queanbeyan River Fire Trail above the Eastern Foreshores of Googong Dam. The closest town was Queanbeyan, but the ambulance took me to Canberra.

    Contact was by mobile. For the deep sh*t out in the bush, I have Telstra's Next-G Rural Coverage with a 5m extension cord and 5db high gain antenna. Where I was any old mobile would have done because I was high above the dam.

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    I remember reading a similar thread on a US motorbike forum a couple of years ago where a guy had binned the bike on a trackday and fractured his femur. His total repair bill excluding the bike was something crazy like $150,000

    It's when I read threads like this that I realise we're really lucky here in the UK with our healthcare system. All free at the point of delivery. As much as people over here complain about it, it's pretty good and it works!

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    No one wants to pay

    Our problem is no one wants to pay their fair share in taxes to fund a socialized healthcare system in this country. The ones who do not wish to work have the best healthcare program. I have patients who are on Medicaid who do nothing but drink and party all day and they get a check from the government and the government buys their food and they have better insurance thanI do. No cost to go to a doctor. No co pays. No cost for medications. No waiting periods for treatment.

    If everyone paid taxes (many in our country almost half the population does not pay federal income tax. They actually get tax refunds each year) so we can't fund socialized healthcare.

    If the people getting a 2-5k tax refund each year took that money they could buy a Cadillac health plan each year, but they'd rather buy useless junk like LCD tv,s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNickels View Post
    Our problem is no one wants to pay their fair share in taxes to fund a socialized healthcare system in this country. The ones who do not wish to work have the best healthcare program. I have patients who are on Medicaid who do nothing but drink and party all day and they get a check from the government and the government buys their food and they have better insurance thanI do. No cost to go to a doctor. No co pays. No cost for medications. No waiting periods for treatment.

    If everyone paid taxes (many in our country almost half the population does not pay federal income tax. They actually get tax refunds each year) so we can't fund socialized healthcare.

    If the people getting a 2-5k tax refund each year took that money they could buy a Cadillac health plan each year, but they'd rather buy useless junk like LCD tv,s.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNickels View Post
    Our problem is no one wants to pay their fair share in taxes to fund a socialized healthcare system in this country. The ones who do not wish to work have the best healthcare program. I have patients who are on Medicaid who do nothing but drink and party all day and they get a check from the government and the government buys their food and they have better insurance thanI do. No cost to go to a doctor. No co pays. No cost for medications. No waiting periods for treatment.

    If everyone paid taxes (many in our country almost half the population does not pay federal income tax. They actually get tax refunds each year) so we can't fund socialized healthcare.

    If the people getting a 2-5k tax refund each year took that money they could buy a Cadillac health plan each year, but they'd rather buy useless junk like LCD tv,s.
    And bikes

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    Haha

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    And bikes
    Actually I would be more forgiving in that one. I mean after all a bike could be seen as a mods of transportation to a job or at the least a way to exercise and remain physically fit (something many Medicaid patients are not). I could almost give them a pass on that one. At least they wouldn't be sitting around eating McDonald's and watching their cable tv.
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    Here is an issue I ran into with my health insurance in NY. Qualified for family health plus. I made aprox $21,000 in 2010, 3 dependents. Like the doc said, no cost maybe $5 copay. 2011 I fell $900.00 over the limit. The next program is healthy newyork at $500.00/month. Nothing in between. So I have an incentive not to make too much money just so I can afford health insurance. There are no living wage jobs for us tv watchin macdonalds eatin people anymore. Unless one makes over $35,000 yr or more one cannot afford insurance. And thats iffy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1niceride View Post
    Here is an issue I ran into with my health insurance in NY. Qualified for family health plus. I made aprox $21,000 in 2010, 3 dependents. Like the doc said, no cost maybe $5 copay. 2011 I fell $900.00 over the limit. The next program is healthy newyork at $500.00/month. Nothing in between. So I have an incentive not to make too much money just so I can afford health insurance. There are no living wage jobs for us tv watchin macdonalds eatin people anymore. Unless one makes over $35,000 yr or more one cannot afford insurance. And thats iffy...
    You have to love the "progressives" thought process. It's just insane.

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    Please tell me the alternative..what would you do in my case? The incentive not to make too much means not making that $900.00 extra a year. By the time Dec rolls around I have to check my net income and modulate if I need to. My best year was $29,000 yr. I gross about $80,000 yr with 35,000 in materials. Gas at 9 miles/gal and pull off deductions for my net. Most of my customers are the lower 50% in income. I'm chief cook and bottle washer so I'm on the clock 12 hours a day, 24-7-360 on call. So double my hourly rate and work only for the wealthy? I betcha solo bike shops have it like this..don't know how they do it without the wifes income to subsidize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNickels View Post
    Our problem is no one wants to pay their fair share in taxes to fund a socialized healthcare system in this country. The ones who do not wish to work have the best healthcare program. I have patients who are on Medicaid who do nothing but drink and party all day and they get a check from the government and the government buys their food and they have better insurance thanI do. No cost to go to a doctor. No co pays. No cost for medications. No waiting periods for treatment.

    If everyone paid taxes (many in our country almost half the population does not pay federal income tax. They actually get tax refunds each year) so we can't fund socialized healthcare.

    If the people getting a 2-5k tax refund each year took that money they could buy a Cadillac health plan each year, but they'd rather buy useless junk like LCD tv,s.
    I feel your pain brother. I had a patient come into my practice about 4 years ago with a cervical sprain. She was driving a Lexus SUV. Seems she was a "dancer" and while spinning on a pole upside down she slipped on the pole and pile drived herself into the floor. During her history she revealed that she made 3-5k a weekend and that she was able to have the rest of the week off. After getting her sorted out I over heard her giving my staff a hard time concerning paying a $5 Medicaid copay. So here is this person making 200k+ a year on public healthcare which is worlds more inclusive than my family's insurance. Between abuse of the system and the ridiculousness of insurance companies I said the hell with it. I'm no longer in network with any insurance company and turned my practice into a cash based practice. Best professional decision I have ever made. Folks should be able to afford their healthcare. A service for a reasonable price.
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