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    I separated mine (Grade 3) 6 weeks ago, after 12 days of that pain we all know!! It was feeling better. After a few visits to the hospital. I was offered the Opp by the surgeon and advised of the complications. After much research, and if I'm honest the thought of that lump on my shoulder forever. I decided to go for the operation (Weaver Dunn), Was done 4 weeks ago today. Recovery was going fine until this week at PT, I informed them that i was getting pins and needles in my little finger and my ring finger and that I had shooting pains at my shoulder and neck. I was given some tests and some new exercises to do. I was told I have some sort of nerve damage/ trapped nerve. and that I need to go to the doctors and get some Amitriptyline. I don't like taking painkillers and have taken the minimum (When waking at night) amount throughout the recovery. I checked them out and don't really want to go down this road.


    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1244885-overview

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...Apm8jAeVz_zJBw

    On returning home I researched and found that the nerve in question is the Ulnar Nerve, (from your shoulder around your elbow to your wrist then fingers) And that I may have ulnar nerve entrapment. I was sure this was a consequence of the Opp. (Bugger) After some more digging I found that this could have happened

    Because the elbow was immobilised for a length of time.

    I was not told this by the surgeon or the PT that visited me after the Opp??
    Can't seem to find any similar experiences, Yet I feel this information should be out there. I am hoping to get an appointment the next few days or next week to discus the matter with the surgeon..

    I would say "be careful of the amount of time you immobilise your elbow wouldn't want this to happen to anybody else.....Ask your doc about it".

    Hopefully if its not degenerative, I can sort this with good PT..... Really Not looking forward to another Opp



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    Got my separation a week ago Saturday....OH WHAT FUN...Pain is a LOT better now and I am 10 days in and not wearing the sling all of the time...doctors said use it as needed...sling was driving me nutz! Feels like a migraine in my shoulder now instead of an elephant sitting on it. The first day it happened...I couldn't even get out of a chair without agonizing pain..getting out of the bed was an adventure as it was on an air mattress in a tent...Grade 3...the bone opposite the collar bone isn't totally under the collar bone...so it isn't a full Grade 3...but I do have the bump and it...HURTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger13
    Recovery was going fine until this week at PT, I informed them that i was getting pins and needles in my little finger and my ring finger and that I had shooting pains at my shoulder and neck.
    That's a bummer. Don't feel completely left out though. It seems that my arm falls asleep much fast on the effected arm. I sometimes worry about nerve damage and blood flow. At this point I am 10 months post of the separation, 2 months post PT which made a great difference. At this time I am not getting surgery, but it may be an option in the future if things continue to degrade.

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    lev 4





    just happen, lev 4...doc said no surg and just to tack it ez....really. had mri and e-xray.

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    2 orthopedic surgeons told me that I had a grade 3 AC tear. I got an MRI.
    Since I had no strength in my arm and couldn't play any sports, I opted for Weaver-Dunn surgery 10 weeks after sustaining the injury. I requested a copy of the surgery report which said that I had a grade 5, not a grade 3. Apparently that wasn't evident to the surgeons by looking at the x-rays and MRI.

    When I see the doctor again (5 weeks after surgery), hopefully he'll tell me to discard the sling and start rehab. The surgery took a lot of energy out of me. I went to the gym 11 days after surgery to lift with my good arm. I wasn't very strong. When I went home I collapsed and slept for 2.5 hours and woke up feeling exhausted. I guess my body has marshalled its resources to heal my shoulder and doesn't have the energy for other physical demands.

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    Did my grade 2 separation in June. Within 6 weeks I was back on the bike. The shoulder was nowhere near 100% but I kept at it, finding satisfaction in the small progress I was making.

    4 months out and I'm much better. I can sleep on it! Pushups and chin-ups are still a little weird. MTBing is fun again and I've nearly regained full confidence on the descents

    Helpful tip: I'm doing kettlebell workouts and they've done wonders for shoulder stabilisation.

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    Type 4

    This is a type III injury with avulsion of the coracoclavicular ligament from the clavicle, with the distal clavicle displaced posteriorly into or through the trapezius. This injury is generally acknowledged to require surgery.

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    lol....I came across this thread while researching if my collar bone is going to permanently stick up. Guess I found out the answer is yes!

    My story: August 2010. Won a work trip to Lake Tahoe, took a close friend of mine. We are staying at the Ritz Carlton in Truckee (North Tahoe) and are looking for something to do. We look up the mountain and see a bunch of dudes going up the lift with bikes.

    We talk to the biking guy and he suggests if we want to take it up a notch, we do downhill. This is after a several red bull and vodkas, so it sounds like a good call. Mind you I've never mountain biked before and had limited BMX experience up until I was 16 (10 years ago).

    I figured things were going to turn out bad since I kept on landing on my front wheel and couldn't fix it. I made it down about halfway before I flipped over my handlebars, not sure what happened since I blacked out.

    I somehow made it down the hill and thought I dislocated my shoulder. Had some really nasty road rash all down my back too. Since it was the first day of the vacation, I chose not to go to the hospital and just party it off. It really sucked.

    Finally got back home, went to the doc. Grade 3 separation, borderline grade 4. I still feel it and need to get back into lifting after a few months off. Oh, and I'm never touching a freaking mountain bike again...lol.

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    I never had any physical therapy, and no fancy doctors or doctors I couild understand in China. Thank god, no bump... but even more so seems pretty useable a year later... believe in your body. Hope you guys are ok too,

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    I was in a sling for 5 weeks after surgery for my grade 5. The doc said to throw away the sling and to rehab. He said I could lift light weights like 5lbs. I used to curl 30lbs dumbbells but now 5lbs is too heavy! I'm using 3lbs until I get stronger. A 1st grader could handle more.

    Normally one has about 30% more strength in the eccentric part of the lift vs the concentric part of the lift. That is, if one could curl 100lbs, one should be able to resist while lowering 130lbs. Oddly, I have noticeably more strength in the concentric part of the lift vs. the eccentric. I can curl 3lbs ok but lowering the dumbbell is very shaky.

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    Everyone is giving updates, so I'll give mine.

    Grade 4 - Opted for the surgery. If done within 2 weeks, the surgeon said that there is a good chance that the ligaments will reattach and heal, just like when you get stitches to push the sides of a laceration together. Mine was done 1 week out from the accident. The procedure was the AC Tightrope. You can see the procedure at http://actightrope.orthoillustrated.com.

    Was in a sling for 3 months to allow the ligaments enough time to heal. I'm two months into therapy, this week being my last. Most of my range of motion has returned. The shoulder feels normal now, just that the muscles are still sore as they are rebuilding strength. As for the bump, everything looks great so far. I've been using Mederma on the scars and it does a great job of reducing them. I honestly don't know why everyone is so up in arms about having a scar anyway. Does everyone here have secret modeling contracts?

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    I have a grade 2 A-C separation, just happened last Saturday in Pisgah (ended a long overdue mountain trip early). Went to ER, got the x rays. Spoken with a couple of Dr. friends, they said take it easy for the first couple of weeks, then use it as I can. Not much of a lump yet, but I hear that will come with the scar tissue.
    The part that really sucks is the thought of dragging that damn trainer out of the attic so I can get some pedal time in.
    Good luck to those in my boat. At least cold weather is almost upon us.
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    funny that this is my first post on mtbr......but i joined the club.........1/31 i took a jump on my bike, front wheel hit the mud on the landing, stuck and sent me flying. luckily for me my right shoulder was kind enough to take the fall for me. went to er and then to ortho next day. unbelievable pain - ortho says stage 3 w/no surgery and 6 weeks to recover (not be completely normal by then but really light activity till then). my wife wants me to have the surgery because she is worried that 30 years from now i won't be able to move my shoulder due to the lack of ligaments. what do i tell her?

    enjoy, jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by freemanhoodlum
    funny that this is my first post on mtbr......but i joined the club.........1/31 i took a jump on my bike, front wheel hit the mud on the landing, stuck and sent me flying. luckily for me my right shoulder was kind enough to take the fall for me. went to er and then to ortho next day. unbelievable pain - ortho says stage 3 w/no surgery and 6 weeks to recover (not be completely normal by then but really light activity till then). my wife wants me to have the surgery because she is worried that 30 years from now i won't be able to move my shoulder due to the lack of ligaments. what do i tell her?

    enjoy, jason

    Here is my suggestion. Talk with your ortho again and see what the differences are between surgery now and surgery one year from now or even beyond that. Then make a decision.

    A little input. I saw an ortho two weeks ago and he told me they could have reconstructed the joint within the first 6 weeks (which my ortho 14 months ago failed to mention). Now my only option is the Weaver-Dunn procedure which he explained is more of a patch job. The thing I didn't like was the ortho said surgery may solve my issues completely or just ease the pain a little. It wasn't a firm answer like I was seeking. I am 14 months post injury and if I knew about reconstruction then, I would have had surgery right away.

    I am in a position where I can go either way. I tend to be on a constant rollercoaster. Pain gets worse, I do PT and it bets better. It has really been bugging me lately (again) and plan to start physical therapy (again). I'm going on a short deployment here in a couple weeks. That will give me a good idea if I can hang as is, or need surgery. It really puts a damper on my activities I enjoy.

    I am curious what results everyone else has had long term with their choice, and what kind of pain they have, if any?

    My bump now

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    I would go see an Orthopedic Surgeon with a Sports Medicine background.

    My AC was a grade 3/4. The clavicle had penetrated almost thru the skin.

    I had Anatomically correct tight rope procedure.
    It has a long recovery time, but is one of the strongest repairs.

    It will take about 1 year for full recovery.

    I am very happy with the results.

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    I dont know about surgery. I was pretty ****ed up. It was embarrasing and painful. I couldnt **** by my self or even move my arm for like5 days. After the wreck, I had to try to gather my shti so the villigars wouldnt rob me or see my injury as a sign of weakness and rob me.

    I got to the hospital. Seen some poor gu with a broken back. No pain medication , insurance or money. He was in pain. At one point I cried a little ( I should say that at that time I had sleep deprevation, like sleepng 3-4 hours a night for months) shouldnt have been on a 30 krede to work...

    Hells no I didnt want to have an operation on a serious part of my body like that. With all of mankinds so called expertise. I had a serious brace. Kept my arm immobile for about a week. Sometimes would but this horse collar brace on to alleviate the pain. Now, more than a year later... Everything is pretty cool. Sometimes wearing a back pack is not so comforatble as before.. but I cant say for sure.

    I am having thoughts of joining the French foreign Legion. At one point in my life I joinded the US af special forces team, and know that its a good workout. I am wondering if my shoulder could handle the training.

    It sure would be nice to hae a new identity from some country other than the US that would provide social benefits for my children.

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    i thank you guys for the replies...i believe i have an appt w/the ortho in 2 days at which point it will be 2 weeks from the injury. i am progressing pretty well - range of motion coming back but no real strength - except for sleeping which has to be done upright w/pain med. and the achiness! man i went w/out the sling for the most part of yesterday and by the end of the day my entire shoulder was tired and aching. i guess that's just part of the body adapting to no ligaments in the shoulder area?

    thanks for all the info on this thread.

    jason

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    I would advise against operations. MAny sports doctors dont recommend operations, and the specialists I shpwed my exray also recommended healing naturally . I have no bumb. yyou can see my xrays earlier in this thread. The doctors locally in China said I needed them and would never be able to use my arm to reach up. They were wrong.Im good. Save your money. It hurts like hell and will for a while, but youll bounce back.

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    i spoke w/the ortho surgeon's office again today and they advised against surgery as well unless it was absolutely needed. their rationale being that why operate if you can return your shoulder to acceptable levels w/out it. when i asked about 30 - 40 yrs down the road their answer was the same as mine - deal w/that then IF it's a problem

    how long did you guys stay away from other cardio; i.e. running/eliptical/etc

    thanks again,
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    MAn I dont know how bad yours feels.. Id say like the first 3 days I couldnt move it, It happened on a friday if I remember....For the first day it hurt pretty bad. Ive never broke a bone so I cant compare... on Monday I had to take a day off work as a teacher. I couldnt afford to take off tuesday, it was hell. Had to take the bus instead of my bike. I had this figure 8 collar brace type thing that I wore fora week... and only after when the pain was returning. o had a sling for the first week... but mainly couldnt move my arm. I cant recall how long... read back through these posts. I took it pretty easy for a couple of weeks before getting back into it. Just whatever you do dont push it. I had no therapy, other than life.

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    yeah, mine was probably the worst pain i've ever felt - and i've broken plenty of bones - it nearly made me pass out and throw up several times. the hospital here gave me pain med - i don't know how you made it w/out it! it seems my range of motion is coming back pretty well - i'm actually surprised - but don't wanna screw something up and set myself back! i've had the sling on for the better part of 2 weeks now. heck, i can actually type w/my right hand now (moving the arm around) compared to when it first hapened i couldn't even walk w/out pain for the first 3 days and that was w/pain meds! i guess i'll start slowly here and see how it goes!

    thanks!

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    Yeah I can remember hearing your description. Whatever you do dont push it. I wouldnt try any therapy. When it hurtsm stop moving it. Try to rest it in a position you want it to heal in. Take a lot of some kind of standard pain med... advil like... youll heal. The body is amazing.

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    I got the same advice with my Grade 3 AC separation. In fact I saw three different docs and they all said the same thing - let it go on its own and see how you do. (One of the doctors actually had the same injury on BOTH sides.) Do I like the permanent deformation of my shoulder? Heck no - at times that makes me wish I could have had it fixed. However, almost four years later, it functions at 99% of what it did.

    Took about 3 months of rest/recovery before I got back on the bike. 6 months I was back to 90% of strength/motion. One year later I was at about 98% back to normal. It looks bad, but it works fine.

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    We gave my grade 3 12 weeks of therepy, it didn't heal. Saw the (highly recommended and referred) doctor group yesterday, we're scheduling the surgery today for a couple weeks out. I'm really looking forward to getting this fixed, most painful, annoying, debilitating injury I've ever had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carter1
    We gave my grade 3 12 weeks of therepy, it didn't heal. Saw the (highly recommended and referred) doctor group yesterday, we're scheduling the surgery today for a couple weeks out. I'm really looking forward to getting this fixed, most painful, annoying, debilitating injury I've ever had.
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    i hate to hear that. one way or another it will be good to move past this injury. i would have never thought how much a shoulder injury could affect everything you do until this happened! good luck w/the surgery.

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    well, update, i'm a month out of grade 3 separation and did not have surgery. i can do most things normally, w/about 80 - 90% rom, but my strength is slow to recover. i am doing rehab at home w/the "rubber bands" (which work quite well, btw), have begun riding again on easier trails and felt completely comfortable. i ran for the first time yesterday and was pain free. i can't sleep on the side at all and haven't tried. stillhave the nasty bump on the shoulder, but that's ok.

    i can do most exercises w/very little weight and can do push ups from my knees w/out pain. all in all i'd say God is good to me the clunky shoulder is a bit wierd to get used to but i barely notice it now.

    good luck to all in recovery!

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    Hi all,

    I'm 6 days into my grade 3 separation, and cant get over the amount of contradictory information out there. It's like opinion on every aspect of it is 50/50 (early rest v active PT, surgery or rehab, sling or no sling, healing ligaments vs non-healing). Even doctors don't seem to agree.

    I think there's some myths about AC separation, the biggest being that AC ligaments can't heal.
    This isn't true. They are just like any other ligament. that's not to sat that they will heal well, or completely in all cases, but they don't just snap and that's the end of it. That's why some say the best time to operate is the first 10-14 days following the injury as this is before the healing process is too far underway.

    The operation itself is designed to move the bones closer together in order to heal better, this is why they usually remove screws post-operatively after about 12 weeks because by this time the ligaments have usually knitted back where they are supposed to be.

    info on ligament repair mechanism here

    For those of us electing to go without surgery, I think we can do a few things to put the odds in our favour. I'm not a doctor, and this is the first AC separation I've had, but this will be my approach based on the idea of allowing the ligaments time to heal in alignment.

    immobilize the shoulder for 3 weeks
    use PT tape to support the joint, and pull the clavicle down into position. Use a sling and spend as much time in a position that reduces the bump. avoid standing as much as possible as the weight of the arm increases the gap between the clavicle and acromion. I find when I lie down and push my elbow up, the bump almost disappears. In this position is where I want to heal and where I want to spend as much time as possible.

    start light physio in weeks 4-8
    Keep the arm immobilised as much as possible but also do some exercises that will keep the joint moving. very light movement. Absolutely no movement above shoulder height. Some light riding may be possible. put the arm in sling when not using it, the ligaments are still knitting together.

    Remove sling increase physio and start light off-road riding week 8-12

    build strength 12 weeks +
    after 8-12 weeks the ligaments will be as good as they are going to get and its time to build strength and get out riding again

    Of course, all may not go to plan, ligaments may not heal properly, or I may still have chronic pain, but I think it helps me to have recovery plan and some milestones.

    I'll keep you posted on whether this works or if I got it all wrong.

    -G
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    My Story

    So I injured my shoulder in July 2010. I though I dislocated my shoulder when I drove myself to the hospital. They xrayed my shoulder and said that it wasn't dilocated, it was separated (type 3). The er doc put me in a sling and told me to see an ortho for surgery on Monday.

    I went to the first ortho and the first question she asked me was what I did for a living. She then told me that I didn't need my shoulder for my line of work and that I should let it heal on its own. I wanted a second opinion.

    Went to second doc who also asked me what I did for a living. He also said that he doesn;t rec surgery and I should let it heal on its own. i tried to push for surgery but he convinced me to wait 8 weeks to see how it heals. 8 weeks later I went back and still wanted surgery. He sent me to a third doc.

    Third doc also asked me what I do for a living. I replied, "Why does my vocation dictate my course of treatment? I want my shoulder fixed." This doc performed a modified Weaver-Dunn. He used surgical tape and shaved off a little from my collar bone.

    I am 16 weeks post surgery. No bump, big scar (so what), and full range of motion. I am slowly getting my strength back. I'm at about 60% There is still some movement/instability in my shoulder.

    My advice to anyone in this situation....
    DEMAND surgery immediately. I wasted 16 weeks before I got surgery. I believe I would have been so much better off had they gone in and fixed me immediately.

    DEMAND SURGERY. (screw the scar.)

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    good luck with it is all i can say.. got flipped over the bars on my bike back in april 07... landed square on my shoulder (230lbs of me),,,,,,, collar bone was about an inch high out at the arm (humerous/scapula)... by the time i got to the hospital in the back of the bumpy ambulance it had popped about half way back into place... they put ice on it and by the time the doctor seen me it was pretty normal looking.....
    so anyways got a ride home with my ex at the time, it hurt pretty bad and was really hard to get out of the cushy couches we had at the time....
    so i took that week off work and just kept using it how ever much i could (being nice to it)... had to go back to work the following monday and didnt have a choice but to use the arm.... it got better EVERYDAY i used it.... within a couple weeks it was fully movable and only gave me pain every so often...
    the collar bone is still about a 1/2" high now but works fine w/ no pain .... it took about 6 months or so before i stopped haveing twinges of pain at certain postions of my arm...
    good luck with it and do what ever you think is right...
    oh and this is the MOST PAINFUL INJURY IVE EVER HAD !!!! (head truma, broken cheek bone,concusion x 3,wisdom teeth all at once)
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    Well, I just joined this club 3-31-2011. My experience seems a bit different here so far. I am 49 and have been abusing my self for some time now. I took a spill on a paved bike path in a city park. I won a class III full AC separation. It hurt bad the first few hours. What struck me was how familiar the pain was. I realized I have been tearing away at these ligaments for some time. The last time I hit them hard was around 14 months ago when I dismounted from an ATV on an ice covered road. No big crash, just landed right on the shoulder. It hurt like hell for a long time, but no visable separation so I just toughed it out like always. When I had this last bout, I must have been down to a very low percentage of ligament left because the pain is subsiding very fast. I crashed on a Thursday night and was back in the mountains riding with a pack and all on Sunday. Would have been Saturday but it was rainy and cold. Back at work hanging commercial cabinets on Monday. Still some pain but way less than last time. X-ray showed a 40mm or so drop of the shoulder but no broken bones. I know we all talk about the "bump" but it really appears that the clavicle is where it is supposed to be and the rest of the shoulder has dropped, because it is no longer supported by the clavicle. I am working out of town so I have not had a chance to consult an Ortho yet, but will soon just to make sure I know all the options.
    Has any body else had the same result of relatively low pain and quick recovery? If I didn't have the obviuos deformation, I wouldn't have thought twice about this. 25 years of racing through the rocky and steep mountains and I get this in a city park

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    [Has any body else had the same result of relatively low pain and quick recovery? If I didn't have the obviuos deformation, I wouldn't have thought twice about this. 25 years of racing through the rocky and steep mountains and I get this in a city park[/QUOTE]

    i didn't have the cool part of your injury, that being little pain in the beginning - because it was awful. but i have had a bad shoulder for many years. but when the pain started going away, it went away in huge chunks. i'm a little over 3 months out of my injury and have been back to complete normal aside from about 5% reduction in r.o.m. for over a month and a half. strength's back, everything. no surgery here, just simple rest, then rehab, a bunch of prayers, and the doc said i was good to go. he said from the word go that if it didn't hurt i could do it and that sounds like where you're at! good luck!

    jason

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    I caused this same exact injury to my left shoulder about 5 years ago as well. I say caused because my dumbass grabbed too much front brake and went head first over the bars at about 20-25 mph. Luckily my reflexes are quick and instead of hitting my head, I rolled quickly to land on my shoulder.

    I will tell you that I never had any surgery and I was back to "normal" within about 3 months. I still to this day have the "bump" where my clavicle sticks up, but I have no pain, ever, and I military press with 80-85 lb. dumbbells to this very day.

    The pain will be with you for quite some time, but it will go away and you WILL get back to feeling great again.

    In fact, I recommend a supplement called "Osteobolin C" or "Osteosport." Both are made by the same company, and as far as I'm concerned it's a miracle supplement for joints, ligaments and tendons. I used to have tendonitis about and tennis elbow to the extreme when I started lifting again about about 2 years ago. I started taking Osteobolin C and could INSTANTLY feel relief day by day. Now, I don't even take it anymore and I have ZERO pain from tendonitus. I'm not a sales rep for them by any means, but I can assure you the product works. The key ingredient in it is called "cissus." You can find a ton out about it.

    Anyhow...that's my rant...

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    I had a Grade 2 (self diagnosed) separation while doing some gravity riding. Digger into a rock garden at about 15mph, landed right on my left shoulder. Immediate pain, weakness, general nausea. Could get even lift my arm above my belly button. Stopped on the way to get a sling, and rested. Day after hurt even worse, for about 2 weeks I could not use my left arm at all. After the initial inflammation went down, I started doing some diagnostics. There are many resources online to research (although I always recommend talking to licensed medical professionals), and I diagnosed with a Grade 2 with subscapularis tear. I could feel the unstable AC joint when pushing on my scapula, and I used the degree of pain to judge how healed the joint was. When I felt it was strong enough to try some light rehab, I immediately worked in some VERY light rotator cuff rehab. This was about 2 months after my initial injury. I could do light riding at this point, just no serious movements or hard pulls on the bars. I was 95% after 4 months. It is now about 6 months later, and except for another real light reinjury of the same joint, my shoulder is 100%. The labral tear on my right shoulder, however, is another story.

    Bottom line, take it easy, get your diet dialed, and your body will do its thing.
    "If you want to do something ordinary people can't, you have to be willing to do what ordinary people won't"

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    The doctor released from me from the sling today! Still a long way to go, but at least I've shed the last of the "bandaging." Doc says the healing has gone well-the past 6 weeks of misery has paid off and I'm ready to start more movement and strengthening over the next 6 weeks.
    Be careful out there.
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    and now......it squeaks, not an exaggeration-it really squeaks when I move the shoulder back and forth. I guess that's better than not being able to move it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by carter1
    and now......it squeaks, not an exaggeration-it really squeaks when I move the shoulder back and forth. I guess that's better than not being able to move it!
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    Get some White Lithium Grease, put it in a syringe, and inject in sockett! LOL!

    No, seriously look into the Osteobolin C supplement I was talking to...it will work wonders for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radials
    Get some White Lithium Grease, put it in a syringe, and inject in sockett! LOL!

    No, seriously look into the Osteobolin C supplement I was talking to...it will work wonders for you.

    What does the Osteobolin C supplement do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracerprix
    What does the Osteobolin C supplement do?
    I don't want to drop any spam on the forums, but if you'll Google "Osteobolin C by Applied Nutriceuticals" you will find their site. In fact, I advocate just about any product they sell. I am a weight lifter amongst other activities (MTB, longboarding, swimming, etc). I used to have tendonitis VERY bad, and now I no longer have it due to, I believe, taking the Osteobolin C for about 3 months.

    Here is an excerpt from their website:

    "Osteobolin-C approaches joint support from a completely unique angle. The primary ingredient in Osteobolin-C is Cissus Quadrangularis, a powerful Ayurvedic herb that has been proven in published laboratory research to promote bone and connective tissue repair.

    The active phytosterols in Osteobolin-C also promotes healthy muscle tissue due to the pronounced anti-catabolic effects of blocking cortisol. Osteobolin-C users experience dramatic reduction in joint pain and increased mobility, along with accelerated recovery time after rigorous training or injury."



    * Aids in the recuperation and regeneration of cartilage, tendons, and joints
    * Suppresses cortisol and promotes nutrient delivery into connective tissue
    * A potent anti-catabolic that speeds recovery and supports lean muscle

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    I'll try it.

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    I'm back!!!

    My buddy that drug me out of the woods and to the hospital turned 40 Saturday and did a 40 mile all surface ride to celebrate. I got permission from my PT to ride 5 easy miles on the road with the group.

    A little sore, nothing a beer couldn't take care of. Unbelievable how your perspective changes after 6 months off of a bike (after 45 year of riding). One of the best rides of my life. It will be a while before I'm off road, but at least its a start.

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    Mine is minor compared to you guys. Washed out on a corner on a road ride mid-February on some sand/salt and landed on my right shoulder. ER said minor separation, didn't give me a grade. Put me in a sling and basically told me it would be fine in a week or two. No bump, 2 1/2 months later there is a small one and it's very tender. Riding normally doesn't hurt, putting the bike on the truck/wall rack hurts a ton. Limited range of motion; I can't take a shirt off normally. Due to being a poor grad student with state funded health insurance, there was a wait to get into another doctor. Have an appointment in a couple weeks.

    Should a separation that the ER doc said was so minor really not feel any better after 10 weeks?

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    @ ICAsh - You should have good to full range of motion and maybe some minor pain when your arm is extended high over your head. I suffered a Grade 2/Grade 3 separation in a race Feb. 13th of this year. Doc said NO sling - need to keep it moving. Started riding week 3. I now have full range of motion with some minor pain at full extension over my head. Some minor clicking/popping that's not painful just annoying. Nice large bump to scare off the kids. Others I have talked to said it takes a long time before pain goes away, but it will for the most part. Everybody is different. Don't worry and keep moving your shoulder and keep riding! Good luck.

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    Grade V-VI ac separation

    Here is my Xray

    No surgery for now per Dr.Karas, the shoulder Guru of Atlanta. In 3 months IF i am not happy w/ the recovery, he then can perform surgery. We'll see. It's only been 3 weeks and i've ridden on the road and trail. I'm going to PT tomorrow.

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    I tried a lot of taping to the shoulder in the early weeks to reduce the joint after reading this thread:
    http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showt...ighlight=joint

    I was really hoping I'd get lucky, but It didn't work for me, but it may be worth a try. I still tape it now after 10 weeks in the vain hope that scar tissue will keep the shoulder down. My bump is very prominent. My x-ray looks like the one above. although my bones seem to overlap more.

    I'm able to do pretty much everything now, but with some pain. Riding a bike is pretty good, but pulling up on the bars or braking hard is painful. I started off-road riding after 5 weeks and each ride feels better than the last. I've not taken a tumble yet, and I'm riding on flats just so to give myself a better chance if I go over.

    I've seen 2 surgeons, The first said leave it and see how it goes. 8 weeks post-injury the second surgeon told me it was a pretty bad separation and that he thought that I'd be back at some point to get it fixed. In the UK the waiting list is 6-12 months.

    The recovery after surgery is much longer than the non-surgery route. My surgeon told me 6 months to a year before it feels normal. 4 weeks in a sling, 4 weeks of no movement above shoulder height, then lots and lots of therapy.

    I think I'll go for it though. I hate the bump and so does the wife. It doesn't make me feel tough or cool. It just makes me feel sick

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    Update. Crashed in mid-February directly on my right shoulder. ER doc said minor separation (didn't give a grade), put me in a sling, and told me it would be better in a couple weeks. I felt like it was a "here's a bandaid, quit being a baby" response, but my insurance sucks so I had a wait to visit a primary care doc. I finally had an appointment yesterday.

    They did a new set of xrays and said it was probably tendonitis, and sent me to physical therapy today. The PT told me that Ortho had looked at both new and old xrays, and since the new ones were at a slightly different angle, they could see a collarbone fracture that you can't see in the original ones. So, no wonder I'm still hurting. It's healing, and small enough that they wouldn't have treated it much differently, but it would have been nice to know, and I probably could have started PT sooner. And the separation is still there.

    My insurance lets me do 60 days of PT as often as they want to see me, so I have 3 appointments in the next 2 weeks and we will assess from there. Got a big dose of anti-inflammatory via iontophoresis (2 more next week), and I'm supposed to take 1200mg of ibuprofen a day, plus ice and some stretching exercises. Luckily riding doesn't bother it, so I'm not off the bike. Focus is getting the inflammation down so I can regain some strength and range of motion. I just want to be able to lift my bike up onto the truck again!

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    Sucks

    ICASH...It sucks that you had to wait that long to start PT. My suggestion is to do the PT religiously.

    Update on my condition....I saw the shoulder surgeon this morning and he cleared me to do whatever i want. I started PT a week after i injured my shoulder. So i did three weeks of PT 2x/week and the improvement on my strenght and ROM is obvious. I'm getting stronger and will continue to do PT at home. Good luck to those in the same boat and do your PT.

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    first single track ride yesterday since my injury last November. Longest my bikes have been out of the woods in a long long time-6 months and 2 weeks. Walked stuff I haven't walked in 35 years of riding in the woods! It's ok though, I rode
    be careful out there.
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    Carter... i hear what you're saying bro. I walked stuff that i was like "really?" but at least we r riding in the wood. Yeah, be careful and be safe.

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