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    Why are XC racers so slow downhill?

    I have notice that when the riders of the hard tail with the flat low bars and very high seat are very slow downhill. Do they work on their downhill abilities? Someone taught them that stiff legs are good, which even beginners know isn't. Maybe their fancy shoes don't allow them to bend their knees. Also their tight costumes look silly and do not add to the viewing pleasure. Maybe the tight clothing is uncomfortable and and makes them ride with stiff legs and poor downhill ability. I think even tights affect slight downhills because they walk their bikes down slopes that are equal to my driveway.

    I think this could be a good lesson for beginners. Do not try to look like a baby giraffes first stand when going down hills.

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    I think it comes down to whatever you're comfortable with. I've seen plenty of XC guys on hardtails who destroy downhill segments on trails. I've also seen guys walk down them or take them slow. I'm more of a slow guy because I'm not good enough to fly down them without either A. Breaking my bike or B. Breaking myself.

    Plus you don't know why a rider is taking it slow. Maybe a few months ago he/she ripped down a DH and went OTB and cracked his collarbone in half.

    This sport is about respecting other people's riding abilities. Remember, you were a beginner once too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vollmerj View Post
    This sport is about respecting other people's riding abilities.
    Not for some it seems.

    Clearly the OP's sport is hanging out under bridges and asking passers-by 3 questions....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuper View Post
    I have notice that when the riders of the hard tail with the flat low bars and very high seat are very slow downhill. Do they work on their downhill abilities? Someone taught them that stiff legs are good, which even beginners know isn't. Maybe their fancy shoes don't allow them to bend their knees. Also their tight costumes look silly and do not add to the viewing pleasure. Maybe the tight clothing is uncomfortable and and makes them ride with stiff legs and poor downhill ability. I think even tights affect slight downhills because they walk their bikes down slopes that are equal to my driveway.

    I think this could be a good lesson for beginners. Do not try to look like a baby giraffes first stand when going down hills.
    Okay. I'll remember that next time I'm being cautious on the trail. After all, if your not balls to the walls on the downhills you suck and need to be told so. Heaven forbid someone take it easy. After all every ride is a race for first and the associated prize money. Go bold or go home, right?
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    I'm sorry, I did not mean to upset your abilities. I was not talking about the averageness and mediocracy of everybody on the trails. I was talking about the professionals on the youtube videos who ride terribly.

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    when was the last time you rode an xc race bike on a downhill? they do not handle the same as your freeride tank.

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    I'm an XC HT guy and I suck at descents but fully capable on climbs. I dislocated my elbow MTBing after a crash so I'm a bit gun-shy on the descents.
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    i would post a "don't feed the troll" picture, but this is fun to watch. nobody take any of this too seriously.

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    Or the OP's sport includes lurking in bushes, and asking passers-by 3 questions.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    Or the OP's sport includes lurking in bushes, and asking passers-by 3 questions.....
    I don't know what your bushes are but I think maybe your experiences are different than mine. I think it's OK for you.

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    Why not post in the xc race forum? You might get a better response.

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    Why DH racers are so slow going uphill?

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    This thread smells like troll.

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    It was on the you tubes? Then that means it is 176% true. All hail the tubes of you.
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    Aww, everyone's all pissy this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuper View Post
    I'm sorry, I did not mean to upset your abilities. I was not talking about the averageness and mediocracy of everybody on the trails. I was talking about the professionals on the youtube videos who ride terribly.



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    have you ever seen a DH guy climb? someone needs to tell them they look silly in the sweltering heat, sweating in their baggie pants and motorcycle helmets slowly plodding and bobbing up a hill like it's covered in a foot of snow.

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    You said it Hutch!


    You also have to factor in that the person wants to finish the race. If an XC racer isn't good at decents, more than likely they are going to take their time and slowy get down a hill so they don't crash. It's like this...finish the race a minute or two slower but in one piece, or take the risk of seriously hurting yourself for that one minute's worth of time. Any logical rider know's where their limit is on terrain. Maybe they're just trying to race and have fun without hurting themselves.

    @mack_turtle- I have seen DH guys try to climb..so goofy..so goofy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    Or the OP's sport includes lurking in bushes, and asking passers-by 3 questions.....
    1) What is your name?
    2) What is your quest?
    3) What is the average flying speed of a swallow holding a coconut in his beak?
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    I have notice the opposite. The downhill or "gravity" people as they like to say so not seem to understand the hill climb. I see them push their 50 lbd 10 inch suspension bike up even the most meager of climbs. Perhaps their big floppy shoes make it difficult to pull up on the pedals. Or pehaps the baggy shorts interfere with peddling. Perhaps they don't know what peddles for? Someone should tell them it is ok to stand on a bike and push down on the squares at bottom of cranks. Its ok. They all so young, they probably don't know. I remember when I was kid, I had awesome bik that ypu pushed with your feet. I liked to go downhill in driveway. Bike was not so good going up.

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    weak troll OP.

    to answer - cats who race at a high level are not slow going up or down...Chris Eatough is one example.

    Individuals who focus on XC, Trials, DH, Endurance, Short track, CX etc will excel in those specific areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuper View Post
    I have notice that when the riders of the hard tail with the flat low bars and very high seat are very slow downhill. Do they work on their downhill abilities? Someone taught them that stiff legs are good, which even beginners know isn't. Maybe their fancy shoes don't allow them to bend their knees. Also their tight costumes look silly and do not add to the viewing pleasure. Maybe the tight clothing is uncomfortable and and makes them ride with stiff legs and poor downhill ability. I think even tights affect slight downhills because they walk their bikes down slopes that are equal to my driveway.

    I think this could be a good lesson for beginners. Do not try to look like a baby giraffes first stand when going down hills.



    I do it so guy's like you don't get dropped.

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    Okay 'zuper', I really think I have heard of you and your awesome DH ste' ...
    O or maybe I just saw your big-head full of hot air at the macy's thanksgiving day parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knutso View Post
    Okay 'zuper', I really think I have heard of you and your awesome DH ste' ...
    O or maybe I just saw your big-head full of hot air at the macy's thanksgiving day parade.

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    I have made you angry, which has your words to make no sense. I have to say sorry for you. I do think from your name picture that you are probably not angryful person. I think maybe Az.Mountain is angry with his name picture and maybe I should steer away from him so I don't get trouble.

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    Because XC riders don't have 7" of travel to hide their crappy biking
    skills. Gotta pick that line quick with 3" of front travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudviking View Post
    Because XC riders don't have 7" of travel to hide their crappy biking
    skills. Gotta pick that line quick with 3" of front travel.
    I agree. The lines are good ones for the bikers. I think it's important when picking the lines to remember breath and long races in front.

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    Does somebody have information on the cowbell at XC races. Is it mandated?

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    Having their saddle so high for so long evaporates their balls over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBill View Post
    Having their saddle so high for so long evaporates their balls over time.
    Too Funny.
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    It is a race. You go fast where you can and are cautious where you must be. Your job as a competitor is to know your strengths and weaknesses. If you crash you will loose time and possibly position, plain and simple.

    FWIW, IMHO XC races are won on the climbs and spins not the DH sections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly Rod View Post
    It is a race. You go fast where you can and are cautious where you must be. Your job as a competitor is to know your strengths and weaknesses. If you crash you will loose time and possibly position, plain and simple.

    FWIW, IMHO XC races are won on the climbs and spins not the DH sections.
    I think I agree that not everybody has the abilities to go fast downhill because we are all differences and pedaling and riding on flat ground the other aspects of the sport which are bisexual are easier for some.

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    Isn't there a popcorn emoticon? I thought there was...

    zuper, when do we get to see your video of your kickass descending skills?
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    Yeah Zuper, when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuper View Post
    I have made you angry, which has your words to make no sense. I have to say sorry for you. I do think from your name picture that you are probably not angryful person. I think maybe Az.Mountain is angry with his name picture and maybe I should steer away from him so I don't get trouble.
    Not mad, you posted about your problem with being judgemental and I tried to illustrate that the answer is humility ... and true steez..

    Really do watch out for AZ he comes outta the clouds like rain and washes impurities away !

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    here you go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    here you go...
    Thanks!

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    What's this "descent?" I race XC, and all I ever see in my races is a lot of climbing, with some rollers and maybe a flat section or two, and then I somehow end up at the finish line, which is where I started too. I think the course changes as you go through it, so that you're always climbing, but you somehow manage to gain no elevation.

    Also, I used to see those DH guys climbing the fireroads on the local trail system all the time. They can walk pretty fast. But yelling out, "On your left!" gets pretty old, pretty quick.
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    I'm hoping to try some lift-served DH in the next two years or so. I wonder if it's like lift-served downhill skiing... I can get uphill on my alpine skis, but it kinda sucks and I frequently end up walking if I want to access a peak that doesn't have a lift to it. I'm envious when the Randonnee guys pass me on the way up, even though I'm usually faster on the way down and I'm sure that having big, stiff boots and big, stiff skis (the same stuff that sucks to get to the top) is a part of it.

    I think XC bikes are a lot more like backcountry skis than classic XC or skate skis, though. Hybrids and road bikes might be better comparisons to that kind of gear.
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    "Randonnee: French for "Can't telemark ski""

    Get some skins and tele's and earn your turns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    Thanks!

    but after looking at this thread a bit more, I think this one is more appropriate.
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    I think it is rather funny that a guy posts in the beginner's forum and critiques others' skills.
    Not to be taken too seriously, I think.
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    I think the Does spandex make you faster thread was much more entertaining. This ones kinda Meh.. Although the Monty Python reference did make me laugh

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    You know, I didn't put it together at first. Zuper was the one that started do tights make you faster thread. Now with that little jewel, I'm doing something I've never done before. I've added a user to my ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    What's this "descent?" I race XC, and all I ever see in my races is a lot of climbing, with some rollers and maybe a flat section or two, and then I somehow end up at the finish line, which is where I started too. I think the course changes as you go through it, so that you're always climbing, but you somehow manage to gain no elevation.

    Also, I used to see those DH guys climbing the fireroads on the local trail system all the time. They can walk pretty fast. But yelling out, "On your left!" gets pretty old, pretty quick.
    I think I understand your words and sayings but you can make lies but can't hide from the truth. The XC riders have the same ability as the downhill riders. Anyone can learn to pedal, except maybe these riders of the tights.

    I think maybe these riders need to hear cowbells and some large woman to yell that they can do it and to breathe for the whole race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuper View Post
    I think I understand your words and sayings but you can make lies but can't hide from the truth. The XC riders have the same ability as the downhill riders. Anyone can learn to pedal, except maybe these riders of the tights.
    I think you don't understand. The tights have no purpose other than cultivating razor-sharp tan lines and showing off our incredible muscle definition.

    The only reason DH riders don't wear the tights is because the only tans they get are mud tans. And those wash right off.

    There's no correlation between tights and descending skillz.
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    why do i always get stuck behind DH guys crawling uphill at a snails pace pushing their 50lbs sleds right up the middle of the trail and refusing to move over...

    lol actually its only happened once, but still.

    i just had to take a turn feeding the troll, this one looks weak and underfed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinGB View Post
    i just had to take a turn feeding the troll, this one looks weak and underfed.
    Bloated and overfed, actually. I have homework that I should be doing, but it's online. That's one of the worst ideas I've ever heard -- have homework where it makes Facebook and this place and every other distraction ever made even more accessible than before? Forrealz?
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