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    Upset Wal-Mart is killing the sport.

    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    When you are ignorant you don't know any better. You can't blame it on Wal-Mart. People shop there because they WANT TO spend money but they dont want to spend that much... How do you provide consumer protection when it is the consumers own fault?

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    Plus for the price you aren't going to really get anything much better. Kids don't like old rusted bikes. They like new shiny ones.

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    My first "Mountain BIke" was a $200 Motiv from Costco. Every time I took it out I broke something. I spent money on wheels and other parts, after a few months I broke the frame and trashed it.

    On one hand it was a rip off because it was nothing near a MT bike, but on the other hand it was enough to have me hooked for life and wanting a better bike.

    I never would have spent the money on a real bike not knowing anything about the sport. If it wasn't for that POS bike I wouldn't be here or on any trail.

    But I do agree, they are tanks and I hate seeing kids struggle with them. Really love the "full suspension" 20 inchers that weigh 50 lbs.

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    What comes next? Where do you draw the line? Banning cellphones because they they are dangerous and emit microwaves?

    If you can make a good NEW bike for $150 or less that will be used on the street 99% of the time, then DO IT and stop *****ing here.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see decent bikes in everyone's hands, but to me, because something LOOKS like it's used for something does not mean it it is. I've seen this in other industries. People think that all AK47s or AR15s shoot fully automatic. People think that all trucks can go off road and all 2 door cars are sports cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz View Post
    What comes next? Where do you draw the line? Banning cellphones because they they are dangerous and emit microwaves?

    If you can make a good NEW bike for $150 or less that will be used on the street 99% of the time, then DO IT and stop *****ing here.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see decent bikes in everyone's hands, but to me, because something LOOKS like it's used for something does not mean it it is. I've seen this in other industries. People think that all AK47s or AR15s shoot fully automatic. People think that all trucks can go off road and all 2 door cars are sports cars.
    When I use to work as a Sandwich artist for Subway several years ago I was taught that it wasn't how the sub tasted but how it looked that mattered. We were told that 90% of the taste comes from how it looks...90%! It's sad but that is how our society functions. We are exposed to so many commercials! That is why someone will pay $900 for a Rockhopper with poor components. The paint scheme looks good so it must be good, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    Why do some people want to always get into other peoples business? If anything they should ban cliff bars because they taste disgusting, they're full of preservatives and they're gay. Eat an apple. Wait, we should ban apples because of pesticides, evil corporate profits and they're sold at walmart. Eat an organically grown apple that only comes from a communal farm populated by indigenous peoples less than 50 miles away that truck their fruit to market on bicycles and priuses. Where does this end?

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    So I suppose the parents should have bought the kid a brand new Trek at the value of "an entire month's salary?" Trust me, I don't think Walmart is trying to corner the mountain bike industry rather than the selling goods for cheaper industry.

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    So chocolate chip Cliff Bars have sex with other chocolate chip Cliff Bars? Is that what you mean? What if it was just a one time experiment? Is the Cliff Bar still gay? Or just curious? I'm trying to understand!
    C'mon lets go for a whirl.

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    I thought my cranberry Cliff Bar tasted a little fruity!
    C'mon lets go for a whirl.

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    It's called 'entry level.' It differs just as much as economic status. The question that begs to be asked: What were you doing in such a lowly place, Rockerfeller?

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    I agree, an "obviously low income family" should have been at the LBS spending $500 on a bike the kid will destroy or out-grow in less than a year.
    What is this world coming to? Don't they know they could just put it on a credit card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    When I use to work as a Sandwich artist for Subway several years ago I was taught that it wasn't how the sub tasted but how it looked that mattered. We were told that 90% of the taste comes from how it looks...90%! It's sad but that is how our society functions. We are exposed to so many commercials! That is why someone will pay $900 for a Rockhopper with poor components. The paint scheme looks good so it must be good, right?
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    My concern when I look at Wally, K Mart, Target etc is how they are assembled. Target says on the tag, Roll out the door, Ready to ride. No their not.

    I looked at one the other day that may have been able to stop on a 1% grade but not much more. People who don't know could get hurt based on the way the kid in the back put the bike together. As lawsuit crazy as we are it shocks me to see these.

    I'm a Clyde and got several years out of my K Mart Huffy before I went to a LBS. I'll never go back but now I can afford not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corporal Punishment View Post
    Why do some people want to always get into other peoples business? If anything they should ban cliff bars because they taste disgusting, they're full of preservatives and they're gay. Eat an apple. Wait, we should ban apples because of pesticides, evil corporate profits and they're sold at walmart. Eat an organically grown apple that only comes from a communal farm populated by indigenous peoples less than 50 miles away that truck their fruit to market on bicycles and priuses. Where does this end?

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    Parents buying their son a bike? The nerve of some people..............

    And judgmental enough to say they were low income just from looking at a distance

    I happen to know a very wealthy man who I've seen shopping wearing jean cutoff shorts and a ratty looking tank top. Would people like the OP assume he's low income. Yep, but they'd be very wrong.

    Get off your high horse and ride a bike

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    What sport are they killing ? Riding across town to try to get to 3rd base with little Mary Rottencrotch ? Getting to football practice ? I'm confused... I've never seen a NEXT anywhere near a trail.

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    Jeez! Do I have to go to Walmart to find some of them "gay" Cliff bars? I haven't seen them anywhere else... Is that second 'f' like a regular Clif bars' back pocket handkerchief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart



    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyMCP View Post
    Plus for the price you aren't going to really get anything much better. Kids don't like old rusted bikes. They like new shiny ones.
    With their buying power, Wal-Mart could sell a decent hardtail bike for $300. I put Next bikes in the same category as those snowboards with flexible plastic straps. They shouldn't even be sold. I always tell people in Wal-Mart to buy a good used bike on Craigslist instead. For example, I bought a 24# Stumpjumper with XTR for $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.
    Or makes him "low income".

    Who the hell goes to wal mart anyway when you know all the milf hotties go to target ?

    I swear my local one at lunch time on a weekday is like an adultery temptation oasis. Lots of tennis skirts and yoga pants.

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    I feel pretty confident in saying that nobody here shops at Walmart for bike stuff or even acknowledges that they have a bicycle department...
    Screw you guys, I'm going out for a ride now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    If you don't believe in the business model don't support the business model, buy your nutrition from a reputable bike shop. Complaining about someone shopping at a store but prefacing that with "as I was shopping at this store" is hypocritical at the least and asinine at the most.

    This thread is now going to the bin where it belongs.
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    you've never just pedaled around on a old beater as a kid? It's transportation, it's freedom. That kid is thrilled with his bike. Yes it won't hold up like a good brand name bike. However it'll get him where ever his legs can carry him. That isn't killing anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroack View Post
    you've never just pedaled around on a old beater as a kid? It's transportation, it's freedom. That kid is thrilled with his bike. Yes it won't hold up like a good brand name bike. However it'll get him where ever his legs can carry him. That isn't killing anything...
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    I remember when my first bike was stolen- a Schwinn Mag Scrambler 1978 or so- cried for a friggin week. I feel your pain on that one, but...

    When I see families buying bikes at walmart for their kids and some times for themselves I thank God they are doing something besides buying a video game. Get the kids out of the house and away from the television please. Get them up in the hills, down the street, over to the creek, out to a field, doing something...like daring to see who can jump over the most tires stacked up (mine was nine on that same scrambler- I had a mean cross up) we built a near vertical jump out of dirt to do it.

    I can't remember a day in summer when I was more than 6-7 hours in the house and that was to sleep and my bike was one of the biggest reasons for that.

    In these economic times buy what you can, enjoy what you have and look to better days ahead. Be positive and helpful to those new to the sport.

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    Every year when starting new riders/racers I beg the parents to come and talk to us about bikes and bike purchasing. I appreciate that no one is made of money but there are smart ways to spend money and then there are others where fit, maintenance & support, and durability are concerned.

    Still you get people who go off and do what works for them. They know a guy or have an in or have a budget. All that is fine until they need support.
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    sometimes the problem is not walmart but people who judge the book by its cover.

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    I spent my entire childhood riding a variety of "Wal Mart" bikes. Actually, "K-Mart" bikes at the time. The bikes were crappy, heavy, poorly manufactured and outfitted with cheap components that performed poorly.

    I loved every single one of those bikes. I rode each one until it died.

    Get some perspective buddy. Don't reject the good becuase its not perfect. Everyone comes into this sport in their own way & it's not up to you to dictate which way is right or wrong. Most families can't afford what you would consider a nice bike. The Wal Mart bikes give a ton of people the opportunity to try our sport without bankrupting themselves. Sure, they're not great bikes. Who cares?

    Let's get more people riding & not be snobby about what they're riding.

    Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Every year when starting new riders/racers I beg the parents to come and talk to us about bikes and bike purchasing. I appreciate that no one is made of money but there are smart ways to spend money and then there are others where fit, maintenance & support, and durability are concerned.

    Still you get people who go off and do what works for them. They know a guy or have an in or have a budget. All that is fine until they need support.
    Actually its when they need support is when they come to you and you can show them why there is more value coming to you next time. I remember an LBS that would laugh people out of the shop for buying a Wally bike when they came in for service. I know another shop that teamed up with the Wally worlds in their area and would give one free tune up with the purchase of a bike from Wallyworld (not including cost of parts that had to be replaced and the bikes had to be clean) and they cashed in big. They gained trust, they made friends, and they had the opportunity to grow business.

    The Wallyworlds aren't stealing business and they aren't destroying the industry- they are priming the pump for those real passionate riders who cant afford better right now but will never be without a bike again for the rest of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf View Post
    The Wallyworlds aren't stealing business and they aren't destroying the industry- they are priming the pump for those real passionate riders who cant afford better right now but will never be without a bike again for the rest of their lives.
    Exactly! Few people start out on a $8K bike. The majority start out on inexpensive bikes and move up from there. Once again, entry level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    Wow, bikes taken from inside your house on multiple occassions??? Where did you live??
    Screw you guys, I'm going out for a ride now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    Just curious, are you supporting a family and what bills were you paying while working that dishwashing job? There are a lot of lower and middle class families that don't much disposable income- kids are waaaay more expensive than your favorite pro's carbon DH bike. If the kid has passion like you I imagine he/she will get a similar job and start saving for a better bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    With their buying power, Wal-Mart could sell a decent hardtail bike for $300. I put Next bikes in the same category as those snowboards with flexible plastic straps. They shouldn't even be sold. I always tell people in Wal-Mart to buy a good used bike on Craigslist instead. For example, I bought a 24# Stumpjumper with XTR for $200.
    Don't think you want walmart to use it's "buying power" to destroy yet another good bike company. Look at schwinn and mongoose! Companys generally lower there standards to meet the low price needs. BTW walmart is carrying white lightning! Pretty good lube!
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    Well i would like to start off by saying that i agree with most of what ive read, i can relate to what you saw down at the Walmart. Fact is that for someone who is not in the sport or is new to it they have no clue that there are bikes worth over even 600 dollars( i know i diddint) now with that being said, when i was a younger i started with purchasing a Mongoose from good ole Walmart. It was my first "Mountain Bike"(yeah right) to me, however as i started to figure out how to fix things and replace parts( broke quite often) i got into learning everything i know today. I know all their bikes are junk but it works for some people, what counts is getting on the bike and riding it right?

    Basically i was just like that kid you saw haha.

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    I understand the original posters intent. I do think it is silly to advise people to go to a high dollar LBS when it is entry level. That is similiar to buying your 16year old kid a new mustang for starters. You know the kid is going to wreck almost the first time he stomps it. You buy entry level crappy bikes and learn. You even learn how to fix crap so you dont need to pay your LBS 50 to look at and adjust whatever. (I am laughing to myself thinking of last rich pansy I saw in bike shop doing that while I was getting some chain lube). I seem to have repeated haro619, oh well.
    Everyplace has its snobs, I was lucky when I went to my first bike race with my ***** bike, a friend said "have fun, ride it 'Till it falls apart".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSRDR26 View Post
    So I suppose the parents should have bought the kid a brand new Trek at the value of "an entire month's salary?" Trust me, I don't think Walmart is trying to corner the mountain bike industry rather than the selling goods for cheaper industry.
    The parents should have bought the kid something safe! Again, people shop at Wal-Mart because they want to spend money. You can find a decent beginner MTB out there for $300-400... You don't have to spend 2 grand. As a parent I would consider myself lacking if I sent by kid out on the trails with something that had plastic brake levers. Hopefully they weren't too cheap to buy a helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    I understand the original posters intent. I do think it is silly to advise people to go to a high dollar LBS when it is entry level. That is similiar to buying your 16year old kid a new mustang for starters. You know the kid is going to wreck almost the first time he stomps it. You buy entry level crappy bikes and learn. You even learn how to fix crap so you dont need to pay your LBS 50 to look at and adjust whatever. (I am laughing to myself thinking of last rich pansy I saw in bike shop doing that while I was getting some chain lube). I seem to have repeated haro619, oh well.
    Everyplace has its snobs, I was lucky when I went to my first bike race with my ***** bike, a friend said "have fun, ride it 'Till it falls apart".
    My Point isn't to steer someone to a high dollar LBS bike. My point is that Wal-Mart should offer functional steel frames without all the worthless 10# coils, mud flaps and bar ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    The parents should have bought the kid something safe! .
    AWWW common, are you a DRAMA QUEEN in training?
    I never had a wreck on my $250 ***** bike that was due to it being a POS. Never once did I think dang this bike is going to kill me. Now on my 2k bike I have had many wrecks and thought I am going to kill myself on this thing.

    Lets get back to reality people

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    I remember when I was a kid. My dad has always been into mountain bike riding and he bought me a cool little 20" mountain bike. It had 5 speeds and was cool. But it was too nice for me to ride to school or anywhere but the trails (he was afraid it would get stolen). So he bought me a cheapy toys r us bike to ride to school and anywhere else I wanted to go. It would be exactly like the walmart bikes of today. It never killed me or was unsafe but I did wear the thing out. Every year I would get a new one but after wore out the 2nd bike in 2 years I ended up getting a redline bmx bike that lasted 10 years before I gave it way.

    I think the walmart bikes are fine depending on use. Ya they are gonig to break more often and wear out faster and not perform as well as any major brand bike but they do get the job done and when I was a kid as long as I was riding I was happy. Until I got my own car biking was the only way I could get around from ages 8 to 16.

    But I do have a problem with selling poorly assembled bikes. They should be ready to ride when bought from a store. There should no excuse for that.

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    Yeah, I believe in free market enterprise.

    If people want to pay $88 or $880 for a bike, they should have the option. Heck, I rode a Huffy I bought at my uncle's True Value when I was just 11, I rode that thing for years, yes had to replace parts over time. I rode to work, rode my paper route, rode to town, everything. The poor deserve options, too! Just gotta remind them: You get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    AWWW common, are you a DRAMA QUEEN in training?
    I never had a wreck on my $250 ***** bike that was due to it being a POS. Never once did I think dang this bike is going to kill me. Now on my 2k bike I have had many wrecks and thought I am going to kill myself on this thing.

    Lets get back to reality people
    maybe a little BUT we are talking about an $89 dollar bike.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/NEXT-Power...-Bike/16504692

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    A walmart bike is what got me into mountain biking

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    So... if a parent buys a kid a steel frame bike bike with Tourny drivetrain, some cheap plastic pedals, v brakes and a 63mm suspension fork, it's crap because that's all they can afford?

    I hate bikes with cheap components....

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    Growing up in the 80's, I rode Huffy mountain bikes until I purchased my first "real" mountain bike in 1993. I mowed lawns in the neighborhood all summer and saved up enough money to purchase a $400, 1993 Diamondback Topanga. I'm not sure where my parents bought my Huffys but I'm guessing a Kmart or local hardware store. My friends and I must have put 200 miles a week on our "kmart" bikes. We'd bungee cord our fishing poles to the top tube and ride all over trying to find new fishing holes. We'd build ramps in the street out of ply wood and cinder blocks and see who could get the most air.......many times it would end with one of us taking a pretty good crash and having to go home and get bandaged up! Yes, these bikes had plastic brake levers, they never shifted well and only have a few useable gears. Do you think we cared or knew any better? Of course not, we were kids having a blast riding our bikes! As adult, avid cyclists I think we sometimes get caught up in OUR world of cycling and sometimes have to be brought back to reality. That kid the OP saw in walmart getting his brand new bike was probably the envy of all his friends when he rode it to his buddies house the next day. Down the road he'll hopefully end up saving money and buying his first "real" mountain bike.......and appreciate something in a world where many kids only think give me, give me, give me

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    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.
    hahaha exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.
    that's FUNNY

    in a sick, truly plausible reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.
    fukkin A brother!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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