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    Upset Wal-Mart is killing the sport.

    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    When you are ignorant you don't know any better. You can't blame it on Wal-Mart. People shop there because they WANT TO spend money but they dont want to spend that much... How do you provide consumer protection when it is the consumers own fault?

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    Plus for the price you aren't going to really get anything much better. Kids don't like old rusted bikes. They like new shiny ones.

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    My first "Mountain BIke" was a $200 Motiv from Costco. Every time I took it out I broke something. I spent money on wheels and other parts, after a few months I broke the frame and trashed it.

    On one hand it was a rip off because it was nothing near a MT bike, but on the other hand it was enough to have me hooked for life and wanting a better bike.

    I never would have spent the money on a real bike not knowing anything about the sport. If it wasn't for that POS bike I wouldn't be here or on any trail.

    But I do agree, they are tanks and I hate seeing kids struggle with them. Really love the "full suspension" 20 inchers that weigh 50 lbs.

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    What comes next? Where do you draw the line? Banning cellphones because they they are dangerous and emit microwaves?

    If you can make a good NEW bike for $150 or less that will be used on the street 99% of the time, then DO IT and stop *****ing here.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see decent bikes in everyone's hands, but to me, because something LOOKS like it's used for something does not mean it it is. I've seen this in other industries. People think that all AK47s or AR15s shoot fully automatic. People think that all trucks can go off road and all 2 door cars are sports cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz View Post
    What comes next? Where do you draw the line? Banning cellphones because they they are dangerous and emit microwaves?

    If you can make a good NEW bike for $150 or less that will be used on the street 99% of the time, then DO IT and stop *****ing here.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see decent bikes in everyone's hands, but to me, because something LOOKS like it's used for something does not mean it it is. I've seen this in other industries. People think that all AK47s or AR15s shoot fully automatic. People think that all trucks can go off road and all 2 door cars are sports cars.
    When I use to work as a Sandwich artist for Subway several years ago I was taught that it wasn't how the sub tasted but how it looked that mattered. We were told that 90% of the taste comes from how it looks...90%! It's sad but that is how our society functions. We are exposed to so many commercials! That is why someone will pay $900 for a Rockhopper with poor components. The paint scheme looks good so it must be good, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    Why do some people want to always get into other peoples business? If anything they should ban cliff bars because they taste disgusting, they're full of preservatives and they're gay. Eat an apple. Wait, we should ban apples because of pesticides, evil corporate profits and they're sold at walmart. Eat an organically grown apple that only comes from a communal farm populated by indigenous peoples less than 50 miles away that truck their fruit to market on bicycles and priuses. Where does this end?

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    So I suppose the parents should have bought the kid a brand new Trek at the value of "an entire month's salary?" Trust me, I don't think Walmart is trying to corner the mountain bike industry rather than the selling goods for cheaper industry.

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    So chocolate chip Cliff Bars have sex with other chocolate chip Cliff Bars? Is that what you mean? What if it was just a one time experiment? Is the Cliff Bar still gay? Or just curious? I'm trying to understand!
    C'mon lets go for a whirl.

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    I thought my cranberry Cliff Bar tasted a little fruity!
    C'mon lets go for a whirl.

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    It's called 'entry level.' It differs just as much as economic status. The question that begs to be asked: What were you doing in such a lowly place, Rockerfeller?

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    I agree, an "obviously low income family" should have been at the LBS spending $500 on a bike the kid will destroy or out-grow in less than a year.
    What is this world coming to? Don't they know they could just put it on a credit card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    When I use to work as a Sandwich artist for Subway several years ago I was taught that it wasn't how the sub tasted but how it looked that mattered. We were told that 90% of the taste comes from how it looks...90%! It's sad but that is how our society functions. We are exposed to so many commercials! That is why someone will pay $900 for a Rockhopper with poor components. The paint scheme looks good so it must be good, right?
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    My concern when I look at Wally, K Mart, Target etc is how they are assembled. Target says on the tag, Roll out the door, Ready to ride. No their not.

    I looked at one the other day that may have been able to stop on a 1% grade but not much more. People who don't know could get hurt based on the way the kid in the back put the bike together. As lawsuit crazy as we are it shocks me to see these.

    I'm a Clyde and got several years out of my K Mart Huffy before I went to a LBS. I'll never go back but now I can afford not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corporal Punishment View Post
    Why do some people want to always get into other peoples business? If anything they should ban cliff bars because they taste disgusting, they're full of preservatives and they're gay. Eat an apple. Wait, we should ban apples because of pesticides, evil corporate profits and they're sold at walmart. Eat an organically grown apple that only comes from a communal farm populated by indigenous peoples less than 50 miles away that truck their fruit to market on bicycles and priuses. Where does this end?

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    Parents buying their son a bike? The nerve of some people..............

    And judgmental enough to say they were low income just from looking at a distance

    I happen to know a very wealthy man who I've seen shopping wearing jean cutoff shorts and a ratty looking tank top. Would people like the OP assume he's low income. Yep, but they'd be very wrong.

    Get off your high horse and ride a bike

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    What sport are they killing ? Riding across town to try to get to 3rd base with little Mary Rottencrotch ? Getting to football practice ? I'm confused... I've never seen a NEXT anywhere near a trail.

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    Jeez! Do I have to go to Walmart to find some of them "gay" Cliff bars? I haven't seen them anywhere else... Is that second 'f' like a regular Clif bars' back pocket handkerchief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart



    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyMCP View Post
    Plus for the price you aren't going to really get anything much better. Kids don't like old rusted bikes. They like new shiny ones.
    With their buying power, Wal-Mart could sell a decent hardtail bike for $300. I put Next bikes in the same category as those snowboards with flexible plastic straps. They shouldn't even be sold. I always tell people in Wal-Mart to buy a good used bike on Craigslist instead. For example, I bought a 24# Stumpjumper with XTR for $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.
    Or makes him "low income".

    Who the hell goes to wal mart anyway when you know all the milf hotties go to target ?

    I swear my local one at lunch time on a weekday is like an adultery temptation oasis. Lots of tennis skirts and yoga pants.

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    I feel pretty confident in saying that nobody here shops at Walmart for bike stuff or even acknowledges that they have a bicycle department...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    If you don't believe in the business model don't support the business model, buy your nutrition from a reputable bike shop. Complaining about someone shopping at a store but prefacing that with "as I was shopping at this store" is hypocritical at the least and asinine at the most.

    This thread is now going to the bin where it belongs.
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    you've never just pedaled around on a old beater as a kid? It's transportation, it's freedom. That kid is thrilled with his bike. Yes it won't hold up like a good brand name bike. However it'll get him where ever his legs can carry him. That isn't killing anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroack View Post
    you've never just pedaled around on a old beater as a kid? It's transportation, it's freedom. That kid is thrilled with his bike. Yes it won't hold up like a good brand name bike. However it'll get him where ever his legs can carry him. That isn't killing anything...
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    I remember when my first bike was stolen- a Schwinn Mag Scrambler 1978 or so- cried for a friggin week. I feel your pain on that one, but...

    When I see families buying bikes at walmart for their kids and some times for themselves I thank God they are doing something besides buying a video game. Get the kids out of the house and away from the television please. Get them up in the hills, down the street, over to the creek, out to a field, doing something...like daring to see who can jump over the most tires stacked up (mine was nine on that same scrambler- I had a mean cross up) we built a near vertical jump out of dirt to do it.

    I can't remember a day in summer when I was more than 6-7 hours in the house and that was to sleep and my bike was one of the biggest reasons for that.

    In these economic times buy what you can, enjoy what you have and look to better days ahead. Be positive and helpful to those new to the sport.

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    Every year when starting new riders/racers I beg the parents to come and talk to us about bikes and bike purchasing. I appreciate that no one is made of money but there are smart ways to spend money and then there are others where fit, maintenance & support, and durability are concerned.

    Still you get people who go off and do what works for them. They know a guy or have an in or have a budget. All that is fine until they need support.
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    sometimes the problem is not walmart but people who judge the book by its cover.

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    I spent my entire childhood riding a variety of "Wal Mart" bikes. Actually, "K-Mart" bikes at the time. The bikes were crappy, heavy, poorly manufactured and outfitted with cheap components that performed poorly.

    I loved every single one of those bikes. I rode each one until it died.

    Get some perspective buddy. Don't reject the good becuase its not perfect. Everyone comes into this sport in their own way & it's not up to you to dictate which way is right or wrong. Most families can't afford what you would consider a nice bike. The Wal Mart bikes give a ton of people the opportunity to try our sport without bankrupting themselves. Sure, they're not great bikes. Who cares?

    Let's get more people riding & not be snobby about what they're riding.

    Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Every year when starting new riders/racers I beg the parents to come and talk to us about bikes and bike purchasing. I appreciate that no one is made of money but there are smart ways to spend money and then there are others where fit, maintenance & support, and durability are concerned.

    Still you get people who go off and do what works for them. They know a guy or have an in or have a budget. All that is fine until they need support.
    Actually its when they need support is when they come to you and you can show them why there is more value coming to you next time. I remember an LBS that would laugh people out of the shop for buying a Wally bike when they came in for service. I know another shop that teamed up with the Wally worlds in their area and would give one free tune up with the purchase of a bike from Wallyworld (not including cost of parts that had to be replaced and the bikes had to be clean) and they cashed in big. They gained trust, they made friends, and they had the opportunity to grow business.

    The Wallyworlds aren't stealing business and they aren't destroying the industry- they are priming the pump for those real passionate riders who cant afford better right now but will never be without a bike again for the rest of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojoaf View Post
    The Wallyworlds aren't stealing business and they aren't destroying the industry- they are priming the pump for those real passionate riders who cant afford better right now but will never be without a bike again for the rest of their lives.
    Exactly! Few people start out on a $8K bike. The majority start out on inexpensive bikes and move up from there. Once again, entry level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    Wow, bikes taken from inside your house on multiple occassions??? Where did you live??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.
    Just curious, are you supporting a family and what bills were you paying while working that dishwashing job? There are a lot of lower and middle class families that don't much disposable income- kids are waaaay more expensive than your favorite pro's carbon DH bike. If the kid has passion like you I imagine he/she will get a similar job and start saving for a better bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    With their buying power, Wal-Mart could sell a decent hardtail bike for $300. I put Next bikes in the same category as those snowboards with flexible plastic straps. They shouldn't even be sold. I always tell people in Wal-Mart to buy a good used bike on Craigslist instead. For example, I bought a 24# Stumpjumper with XTR for $200.
    Don't think you want walmart to use it's "buying power" to destroy yet another good bike company. Look at schwinn and mongoose! Companys generally lower there standards to meet the low price needs. BTW walmart is carrying white lightning! Pretty good lube!
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    Well i would like to start off by saying that i agree with most of what ive read, i can relate to what you saw down at the Walmart. Fact is that for someone who is not in the sport or is new to it they have no clue that there are bikes worth over even 600 dollars( i know i diddint) now with that being said, when i was a younger i started with purchasing a Mongoose from good ole Walmart. It was my first "Mountain Bike"(yeah right) to me, however as i started to figure out how to fix things and replace parts( broke quite often) i got into learning everything i know today. I know all their bikes are junk but it works for some people, what counts is getting on the bike and riding it right?

    Basically i was just like that kid you saw haha.

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    I understand the original posters intent. I do think it is silly to advise people to go to a high dollar LBS when it is entry level. That is similiar to buying your 16year old kid a new mustang for starters. You know the kid is going to wreck almost the first time he stomps it. You buy entry level crappy bikes and learn. You even learn how to fix crap so you dont need to pay your LBS 50 to look at and adjust whatever. (I am laughing to myself thinking of last rich pansy I saw in bike shop doing that while I was getting some chain lube). I seem to have repeated haro619, oh well.
    Everyplace has its snobs, I was lucky when I went to my first bike race with my ***** bike, a friend said "have fun, ride it 'Till it falls apart".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSRDR26 View Post
    So I suppose the parents should have bought the kid a brand new Trek at the value of "an entire month's salary?" Trust me, I don't think Walmart is trying to corner the mountain bike industry rather than the selling goods for cheaper industry.
    The parents should have bought the kid something safe! Again, people shop at Wal-Mart because they want to spend money. You can find a decent beginner MTB out there for $300-400... You don't have to spend 2 grand. As a parent I would consider myself lacking if I sent by kid out on the trails with something that had plastic brake levers. Hopefully they weren't too cheap to buy a helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    I understand the original posters intent. I do think it is silly to advise people to go to a high dollar LBS when it is entry level. That is similiar to buying your 16year old kid a new mustang for starters. You know the kid is going to wreck almost the first time he stomps it. You buy entry level crappy bikes and learn. You even learn how to fix crap so you dont need to pay your LBS 50 to look at and adjust whatever. (I am laughing to myself thinking of last rich pansy I saw in bike shop doing that while I was getting some chain lube). I seem to have repeated haro619, oh well.
    Everyplace has its snobs, I was lucky when I went to my first bike race with my ***** bike, a friend said "have fun, ride it 'Till it falls apart".
    My Point isn't to steer someone to a high dollar LBS bike. My point is that Wal-Mart should offer functional steel frames without all the worthless 10# coils, mud flaps and bar ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    The parents should have bought the kid something safe! .
    AWWW common, are you a DRAMA QUEEN in training?
    I never had a wreck on my $250 ***** bike that was due to it being a POS. Never once did I think dang this bike is going to kill me. Now on my 2k bike I have had many wrecks and thought I am going to kill myself on this thing.

    Lets get back to reality people

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    I remember when I was a kid. My dad has always been into mountain bike riding and he bought me a cool little 20" mountain bike. It had 5 speeds and was cool. But it was too nice for me to ride to school or anywhere but the trails (he was afraid it would get stolen). So he bought me a cheapy toys r us bike to ride to school and anywhere else I wanted to go. It would be exactly like the walmart bikes of today. It never killed me or was unsafe but I did wear the thing out. Every year I would get a new one but after wore out the 2nd bike in 2 years I ended up getting a redline bmx bike that lasted 10 years before I gave it way.

    I think the walmart bikes are fine depending on use. Ya they are gonig to break more often and wear out faster and not perform as well as any major brand bike but they do get the job done and when I was a kid as long as I was riding I was happy. Until I got my own car biking was the only way I could get around from ages 8 to 16.

    But I do have a problem with selling poorly assembled bikes. They should be ready to ride when bought from a store. There should no excuse for that.

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    Yeah, I believe in free market enterprise.

    If people want to pay $88 or $880 for a bike, they should have the option. Heck, I rode a Huffy I bought at my uncle's True Value when I was just 11, I rode that thing for years, yes had to replace parts over time. I rode to work, rode my paper route, rode to town, everything. The poor deserve options, too! Just gotta remind them: You get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    AWWW common, are you a DRAMA QUEEN in training?
    I never had a wreck on my $250 ***** bike that was due to it being a POS. Never once did I think dang this bike is going to kill me. Now on my 2k bike I have had many wrecks and thought I am going to kill myself on this thing.

    Lets get back to reality people
    maybe a little BUT we are talking about an $89 dollar bike.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/NEXT-Power...-Bike/16504692

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    A walmart bike is what got me into mountain biking

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    So... if a parent buys a kid a steel frame bike bike with Tourny drivetrain, some cheap plastic pedals, v brakes and a 63mm suspension fork, it's crap because that's all they can afford?

    I hate bikes with cheap components....

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    Growing up in the 80's, I rode Huffy mountain bikes until I purchased my first "real" mountain bike in 1993. I mowed lawns in the neighborhood all summer and saved up enough money to purchase a $400, 1993 Diamondback Topanga. I'm not sure where my parents bought my Huffys but I'm guessing a Kmart or local hardware store. My friends and I must have put 200 miles a week on our "kmart" bikes. We'd bungee cord our fishing poles to the top tube and ride all over trying to find new fishing holes. We'd build ramps in the street out of ply wood and cinder blocks and see who could get the most air.......many times it would end with one of us taking a pretty good crash and having to go home and get bandaged up! Yes, these bikes had plastic brake levers, they never shifted well and only have a few useable gears. Do you think we cared or knew any better? Of course not, we were kids having a blast riding our bikes! As adult, avid cyclists I think we sometimes get caught up in OUR world of cycling and sometimes have to be brought back to reality. That kid the OP saw in walmart getting his brand new bike was probably the envy of all his friends when he rode it to his buddies house the next day. Down the road he'll hopefully end up saving money and buying his first "real" mountain bike.......and appreciate something in a world where many kids only think give me, give me, give me

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    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.

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    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.
    hahaha exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Just look at Walmart bikes as the gateway drug to the true sickness.
    that's FUNNY

    in a sick, truly plausible reality

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    Makes you part of the problem me thinks.
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    A Murry Shadow River got me back into biking in the early nineties. They sold them at Wally World.
    After that I got a Trek 820 rigid, which I still have, and then started buying nicer duallys.
    The kids around here drop their bikes and leave them out to get stolen etc, so if I was a parent, I wouldn't be spending big bucks on a new bike either.
    My main complaint about dept store bikes, is bad set-up. I've had people bring bikes to me with forks on backwards etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    I understand the original posters intent. I do think it is silly to advise people to go to a high dollar LBS when it is entry level. That is similiar to buying your 16year old kid a new mustang for starters. You know the kid is going to wreck almost the first time he stomps it. You buy entry level crappy bikes and learn. You even learn how to fix crap so you dont need to pay your LBS 50 to look at and adjust whatever. (I am laughing to myself thinking of last rich pansy I saw in bike shop doing that while I was getting some chain lube). I seem to have repeated haro619, oh well.
    Everyplace has its snobs, I was lucky when I went to my first bike race with my ***** bike, a friend said "have fun, ride it 'Till it falls apart".
    Now come on. I pay my LBS to maintain my bikes because 1) They are good at it 2) I like to support my LBS because they treat me like a valued customer and go out of their way to help me and 3) my time is worth way more than what they charge. I can do the basic stuff and even some of the advanced stuff but i also like dropping off my bike on the way to work and picking it up the next day on the way to ride.

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    i think walmart is taking away bike shops with people who know what they are talking about and can recomend a good bike....

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    I love/hate Walmart

    Walmart at Welland ave and Bunting in St Catharines Ontario.... Best. Walmart. Ever.

    If you've been there - you know what I mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrooder View Post
    Walmart at Welland ave and Bunting in St Catharines Ontario.... Best. Walmart. Ever.

    If you've been there - you know what I mean


    I haven't, please enlighten us Luddites.

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    You know, I grew up on an assortment of Huffys and Murrays, and I loved them dearly, but they never worked, certainly never stopped, and the wheels were about as stiff as a soft taco. Like I said, I loved them all, and they got me hooked, and I was definately a poor kid.
    Having said all that, I've picked up a Bianchi Ibex, a GT Backwoods, and a Trek 8000 at yardsales this summer. All of them are from about 1992-96. The MOST I paid for any of them was $45. The Bianchi and the Trek look like they have never been ridden.
    I'm just not buying the "poor people have a right to buy new bikes" argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xizang11 View Post
    You know, I grew up on an assortment of Huffys and Murrays, and I loved them dearly, but they never worked, certainly never stopped, and the wheels were about as stiff as a soft taco. Like I said, I loved them all, and they got me hooked, and I was definately a poor kid.
    Having said all that, I've picked up a Bianchi Ibex, a GT Backwoods, and a Trek 8000 at yardsales this summer. All of them are from about 1992-96. The MOST I paid for any of them was $45. The Bianchi and the Trek look like they have never been ridden.
    I'm just not buying the "poor people have a right to buy new bikes" argument.
    Glad you found some good used bikes for cheap but to the people shopping at walmart for bikes probably don't have the bike knowlege to find good deals. When I look on craigslist I see 5 year old walmart bikes asking more for them than they were new. And I am willing to bet if I picked a random less than $100 dollar bike off of craigslist and brought it down to a LBS and told them to service the bike and make into function like it was brand new including replacing worn out parts it would probably cost alot more than a new bike from walmart. Granted the final product will probably be a better bike but it will cost more than if you just bought a bike from walmart. The only way I see your way working out is if you know alot about the bikes you are looking at and you do all the service work yourself. That or you just get lucky and find a good deal. Remember replacing old tires, tubes, shifter and brake cable + housings, chain, cassette, front sprockets, brake pads at a LBS will cost more than a walmart bike. And if you get a bike from 92-96 era those will probalby need replacing if you got the bike for $45.

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    If there's a good deal on Craigslist, it gets picked up in a hurry. The good deals are at yard sales. I do see your point (though I only had to replace the brake pads on my 3, plus rebuild the freewheel on the Backwoods---I recognize that I was incredibly lucky).
    So maybe people don't have enough information to pick up a used bike that fits their budget. Just to check this idea, google "Mountain Bike" then pretend you know nothing about bikes at all (no parts, no brands, no shops, only that you want a bicycle).

    I just did it for a few minutes, and I didn't end up with any information that meant anything to me...

    I submit that this lack of information accessibility is the problem. It's not like people can't get on the internet these days.

    Just my 2cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    Fair enough.

    I worked all Summer for my first bike for less than minimum wage washing dishes in a restaurant. The bike was stolen the first week I had it. EVERY bike I had as a kid was stolen within a month. Most were taken from inside my house. I LOVED each one of those bikes, even if it was for a short time.

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    I learned how to do many basic repairs on my last Walmart bike I owned before getting a "real" entry level MTB from a lbs. Now I look at my old Walmart bike sitting in the garage as something I can tinker with before I fix a problem on the "real" bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post
    maybe invest in a quality firearm first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyMCP View Post
    Plus for the price you aren't going to really get anything much better. Kids don't like old rusted bikes. They like new shiny ones.
    I don't 100% agree with you there.

    I don't blame walmart for people purchasing rolling death-traps.

    However, walmart FS bikes are around $300.. for the same price you can get the Jamis Trail XR brand new...

    A FAR SUPERIOR bike.. with the added benefit that it will be put together by a pro and has components that wont crumble on the trail.


    I DO think there should be a law against selling FS bikes with pivots that wont hold and wheels that say on them, "not intended for trail use"... it's dangerous!!

    However, walmart isn't killing the sport. Hopefully the kid on the walmart bike will manage to not get himself killed.. and one day will spend the same $250 on a solid hard tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevuke View Post
    I don't 100% agree with you there.

    I don't blame walmart for people purchasing rolling death-traps.

    However, walmart FS bikes are around $300.. for the same price you can get the Jamis Trail XR brand new...

    A FAR SUPERIOR bike.. with the added benefit that it will be put together by a pro and has components that wont crumble on the trail.


    I DO think there should be a law against selling FS bikes with pivots that wont hold and wheels that say on them, "not intended for trail use"... it's dangerous!!

    However, walmart isn't killing the sport. Hopefully the kid on the walmart bike will manage to not get himself killed.. and one day will spend the same $250 on a solid hard tail.
    They do have some more expensive bikes (up to $1700 apparently with SLX/XT components), but most of their bikes fall in the $100-$200 dollar range. In fact I counted 21 full suspensions bikes under $200. Brand new you aren't going to get much better. I just kinda wish a company would come out with a fixie with front brake or singlespeed entry level bike. They'd be able to make a much better bike for not much more money than this WalMart junk by saving money on components. Heck, make it rigid too. Would be great for a first real bike. No maintenance really either.


    This one is $96.
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/26-Mens-NE...n-Bike/4231518

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    I agree with all that you said.

    I'm saying that selling a cheap FS bike is dangerous.. and a little bit taking advantage of a foolish consumer.

    I like the idea of selling a rigid $100 first mountain bike. Make it rigid.. skimp everywhere.. but make it safe to ride.

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    The problem with WalMart ( and not Sam Walton's intention - he was very much "Made in the USA kinda guy whenever possible). is that they RAPE perfectly good functioning communities. City/County Gov't should not be held blameless either...they are 'starry-eyed' when big ol' Walmart propositions them to build a store... they will actually *PAY to have a Walmart in their town, bend the rules for ecology, traffic, etc.
    *- yes, I said PAY - most Walmarts get sweet subsidies from local constituencies...

    Yet, the 'other' side of town ends up folding and devolves into a downward spiral...
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    And yes, I realize other companies/corporations apply - but not to the grand extent as Wal****.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I feel pretty confident in saying that nobody here shops at Walmart for bike stuff or even acknowledges that they have a bicycle department...
    Not true... I bought universal bottle holders for my daughters' Treks there the other day. I was, however, in the "sporting goods" department. I don't think they have a bicycle department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitecrwlr View Post
    I was recently shopping at Wal-Mart (hey, they sell Cliff Bloks) and watched as an obviously low income family purchased their son's first mountain bike. The bike of choice this day was a 45# NEXT FSR tank. You've all seen the bike in it's natural habitat...being pushed up urban streets on anything more than 1% grade. Now I'm all about less government but sometimes you have to protect the consumer from his own ignorance. If anything, Wal-Mart should be sued for taking advantage of a protected class-the poor cyclist. Shame on you Sam!
    Just fyi... A recall:

    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml04/04113.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post



    FWIW, that recall is over 7 years old, pretty sure that they are all dead and gone.

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    On the list of things that make buying a wally-world special a terrible deal:

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...300HT_sale.htm

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    I have to be honest, I skipped most of the posts. These threads tend to get a little too political and off-target.

    All I wanted to add was that when my wife and I started MTBing 2 years ago all my wife wanted was a bike (from Wal-mart/Target) that she could lose some weight on. I wasn't going to spend $150 on a "big-box" store bike! I eventually found a rigid Trek 820 (old steel frame style) for $25. All it needed was a rear tire, a new seat and some TLC. She loved it, and never wanted to leave it. I had to get her newer bikes without her knowing. HAHA.

    Three bikes later she has a Rockhopper that I've put $1K into easliy, but that's because we fell in love with the sport.

    My point is that those bikes are a waste of money. You can find a much better used bike. If the kid complains that it's not new, he doesn't deserve a bike anyway! But some parents just don't know. But that's their fault for not researching before spending so much money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevuke View Post
    I like the idea of selling a rigid $100 first mountain bike. Make it rigid.. skimp everywhere.. but make it safe to ride.
    I like the idea of stores like Walmart selling inexpensive, simple, serviceable bikes. The thing is, customers don't know any better and tend to want the bling. So you end up with a race to the bottom, because the average kid walking through that door sees the full-suspension and the bling and doesn't realize the tradeoff that is inadvertently being made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Wow, bikes taken from inside your house on multiple occassions??? Where did you live??
    I lived in Denver in what is now "Highlands".

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    One on hand.
    My first BMX bike was a Huffy Bandit. A real piece of crap. I was happy to get it. Used. I got some **** for having it. But i had it. I rode it, and replaced stuff as i could.
    On the other hand.
    How do i tell my niece and nephew that i can't fix their bike because ,"its a piece of ****".
    But, I could repair my Huffy Bandit.
    Both sides have good points.
    My kids have "hand me down" **** bikes.
    They have rust on the crooked rims, wheels are thank God coaster brakes,( because rim brakes wouldn't cut it at all.
    Their next bikes will be good used bikes from Craigslist, That just need a little work.
    But, they still LOVE their rusted rimmed bikes.
    Again, not sure what i think of this. Good Luck.

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    Wally's provides a very low cost and effective means of introducing cycling to those kids who otherwise would not be able to afford a bike; of course, I advise neighbors to stay away from dual suspension bikes, and to choose a rigid bike with simple V brakes or coaster brakes, single speed, and recommend buying the bike in the box unassembled and spending the $25.00 offer a local LBS has to properly install and adjust these big box store bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeljaws View Post
    and to choose a rigid bike with simple V brakes or coaster brakes, single speed,
    Good advice. Where I live, one has a better chance of finding such a bike in Target than in Walmart, at least if one is looking for 26-inch wheels. I guess both stores have BMX-style bikes.

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    what is destroying our sport is simple.. the.pretty!!!....and yepp if its pretty and OOOOH light! well its gotta be worth it attitude! WRONG! like shimano's new "shadow derailures" what JUNK! you could'nt pay me to own junk like that, it would'nt survive 1 day on the trail with me....i'd snap that piece of garbage in the first 5 miles guaranteed..... what ever happened to making quality that lasts .... frames are just as bad these days... and the sad thing is most companies dont even make there own anymore! people need to get out of the sheeple mentality of being led by idiots that tell them garbage is good.... and demand better! until then guys like me will keep hunting and searchin for new old stock items on ebay ... just to avoid buyin over priced trash that wont last.... sorry guys but NOBODY makes a rig today that would survive me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FroggyBiker View Post
    what is destroying our sport is simple.. the.pretty!!!....and yepp if its pretty and OOOOH light! well its gotta be worth it attitude! WRONG! like shimano's new "shadow derailures" what JUNK! you could'nt pay me to own junk like that, it would'nt survive 1 day on the trail with me....i'd snap that piece of garbage in the first 5 miles guaranteed..... what ever happened to making quality that lasts .... frames are just as bad these days... and the sad thing is most companies dont even make there own anymore! people need to get out of the sheeple mentality of being led by idiots that tell them garbage is good.... and demand better! until then guys like me will keep hunting and searchin for new old stock items on ebay ... just to avoid buyin over priced trash that wont last.... sorry guys but NOBODY makes a rig today that would survive me....
    A lot of truth here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FroggyBiker View Post
    what is destroying our sport is simple.. the.pretty!!!....and yepp if its pretty and OOOOH light! well its gotta be worth it attitude! WRONG! like shimano's new "shadow derailures" what JUNK! you could'nt pay me to own junk like that, it would'nt survive 1 day on the trail with me....i'd snap that piece of garbage in the first 5 miles guaranteed.....
    Wow. I've crashed my Shadow XT derailleurs without a single problem.
    I've gotten small branches stuck in them and even broke a swingarm in half on a jump that yanked hard on the chain and the Shadow XT derailleur. It bent the hanger and the little steel mounting tab just slightly, but I was able to straiten it out and use it afterwords.


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    Well, it appears my local Wally's World carries some decent bike related accessories, such as this name brand pedal wrench that I purchased for $9.95 and that is typically sold at $19.95 on the web. Never in a million years did I think I would find Peter in WW; what's next, Ritchey bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I feel pretty confident in saying that nobody here shops at Walmart for bike stuff or even acknowledges that they have a bicycle department...
    I'm rocking a Bell seat and Bell gloves bought at Wal-Mart... No complaints on either.
    However I would never buy a bike from them... I too am amazed they haven't been sued due to poor assembly!
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    WalMart sells what SELLS.... That's the business model... IF parents had to spend $400+ on EACh bike they buy their irresponsible kid and then replace that x3 or x4 as the kid grows, fewer kids would learn to ride...

    Frankly, I just want to see more kids riding, period. Instead of getting fat sitting on a couch stuffing their face between video game levels... or texting on a friggin' cell phone...

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    ^^^ No, Walmart exploits other countries poor standards/laws to get the highest PROFIT margin possible.
    The population that will shop at a Walmart are to blame too as are the systems in place that allow this corporate monopolization.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    ^^^ No, Walmart exploits other countries poor standards/laws to get the highest PROFIT margin possible.
    The population that will shop at a Walmart are to blame too as are the systems in place that allow this corporate monopolization.
    Very true!
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    Well.... another way to look at it is that WalMart operates within the law to make as much money as possible for its shareholders... aka: Free Enterprise. We USED to do that here in the US... but now we are too busy allowing the government to take over and tell the private sector how, how much, and when they can make money... too busy telling the private sector how much to pay employees, how much they'll have stolen to support "free" programs to offer a "safety net" (aka. way of life) for the non-productive sector of our society.

    If other countries (China primarily) doesn't like how WalMart operates, they can change their regulatory system... BTW, WalMart treats their foreign employees generally better than the host country companies...

    I'm a firm believer that people ONLY value that for which they have to work... FREE to you comes at someone Else's expense...

    Anyway... this has drifted WAY off topic... If you don't like the bikes that WalMart sells, go to Benton, AR and talk to corporate about YOUR solution.... Quit gritchin' about the problem unless you have a VIABLE solution to SOLVE the "problem...

    Just my $0.02

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