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    Specialized at it AGAIN!!!

    On the very day that the Cafe Roubaix debacle seems to be coming to a close... Just when you thought it was getting better:

    Specialized is at it AGAIN!!!

    Jarek Barc That's nice. And TODAY I get a letter from Specialized lawyers saying my family-owned apparel brand, Epix (Epix Cycling & Triathlon Gear) is too similar in their eyes to Specialized "Epic" MTB frames. Come on guys. The wording is DIFFERENT. The stylization on the wording is DIFFERENT. We are not competing for the same clients (bike frames vs apparel). I invested my life in this, just like Dan did. I'm not saying you shouldn't defend what is rightfully yours. I'm saying you are over-reaching. You did so with Dan, you are doing so with me, and I think the vast majority of people will agree.

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    FUKK YOU SPECIALIZED!!! IN THE A$$!!! WITH A RUSTED CROWBAR!!! AND NO LUBE!!!
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    Hmmmm, indeed good sir, I am also at a elevated degree of frustration at these shenanigans.

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    Reminds me of an episode of the Simpson's where Homer Stars "super hyper mega global technology cooperation" or something like that, then Microsoft stop by to buy him out, smashing all of his equipment.
    That sucks, is there anything that you can do that won't require spending your life savings on lawyers? Mabey bringing light to their business practices an organizing a boycott?

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    Re: Specialized at it AGAIN!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Surf&turf View Post
    Reminds me of an episode of the Simpson's where Homer Stars "super hyper mega global technology cooperation" or something like that, then Microsoft stop by to buy him out, smashing all of his equipment.
    That sucks, is there anything that you can do that won't require spending your life savings on lawyers? Mabey bringing light to their business practices an organizing a boycott?
    I've already boycotted Specialized products.
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    Specialized ... BACK OFF!

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    An apology from the previous incident: https://www.facebook.com/specialized...52049504672579

    I wonder if they knew that their lawyers sent out another letter: https://www.facebook.com/epixgear/po...2089763882505#
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    Well, its at least some major advertising for epix. I definately feel inclined to buy things from Epix just to smite Specialized. As everyone already hates specialized i can only see this as a good outcome for epix, as douchey as it may be the way it is happening.

    With all due respect i had no idea what/who epix is/was. I do now.

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    Un fvcking believable, hope they get that letter out to all media and social-media botch slap their asses again. Wonder if the douche will ever appologise to Tom Ritchey for stealing his design, taking it to Japan, having it copied & mass produced and then slapping the Stumpjumper name on it and making $$$$$$$?
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    Flood social media with the story. This has to stop.

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    Specialized sure are PRIX!

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    What is with these guys? They're trying to eat their young.

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    Specialized may not have invented Roubaix or the term "epic" but they did create a new term: "Specialized." as in, "that's not fair, don't be a Specialized. that's really greedy, you just pulled a Specialized on that little mom-n-pop store. stop being a Specialized and claiming credit for stuff you didn't create."

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    "FUKK YOU SPECIALIZED!!! IN THE A$$!!! WITH A RUSTED CROWBAR!!! AND NO LUBE!!!"

    I supported Dan, in part, because of his calm, unemotional, and reasoned approach to the issue. Good luck with your approach.

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    no kidding. this is really getting old

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    wow. yet another reason to dislike them. I already had plenty.
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    Re: Specialized at it AGAIN!!!

    How long before Switchback Bikes gets a letter. They have a letter S in their logo.

    http://www.switchbackbikes.com/
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    This is all very very disappointing!! I started biking on Specialized bikes back in the late '80's and then sold Specialized in the early '90's and was about to pull the trigger on a set of their carbon wheels but I think I am DONE!! I haven't owned a Specialized bike since '94 but I just can NOT support a company that works the way they work...so if you are wondering Specialized how these law suits are going to effect you...you lost a sale and another customer FOREVER!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    On the very day that the Cafe Roubaix debacle seems to be coming to a close... Just when you thought it was getting better:

    Specialized is at it AGAIN!!!

    TODAY I get a letter from Specialized lawyers saying my family-owned apparel brand, Epix (Epix Cycling & Triathlon Gear) is too similar in their eyes to Specialized "Epic" MTB frames. Come on guys. The wording is DIFFERENT. The stylization on the wording is DIFFERENT. We are not competing for the same clients (bike frames vs apparel). I invested my life in this, just like Dan did. I'm not saying you shouldn't defend what is rightfully yours. I'm saying you are over-reaching. You did so with Dan, you are doing so with me, and I think the vast majority of people will agree.

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    FUKK YOU SPECIALIZED!!! IN THE A$$!!! WITH A RUSTED CROWBAR!!! AND NO LUBE!!!



    Post the letter please.

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    this blows. please don't kill me but my favorite mtb shoes are specialized with boa laces. guess I will let them wear out/blow out, and choose another vendor next time...

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    yeah IDK how they have a leg to stand on that when its apples to oranges. i guess you can do what you want when you shit money. i too would like to see the letter posted. it would be nice if a judge would be in favor of the little guy, but that trial would bankrupt a small company

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    Post the letter. This thread is a "selfie" until then. Trust but verify. A call to arms without supporting it is not kosher. I'll sharpen my knives until then.

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    The only thing Specialized that I use is their road shoes, dislike this kind of shenanigans so no more big S stuff for me.

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    I would like to see the letter.

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    Pardon me for being an old cynic, but this seems like some gratuitous publicity for Epix?!?!
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    Yep, smacks of opportunism, would really like to see the letter before proceeding.

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    Just when I thought they were on the track of redemption....FAIL.

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    The Specialized bullshittery continues...

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    If the Big S is up to the same old crap, shame on them!!

    Please post up the letter so we know that this is a legit issue and not just a ploy to try to drum up hype for your business, Epix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    Yep, smacks of opportunism, would really like to see the letter before proceeding.
    This ^^^

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    Can't these businesses counter suit on account of this being a frivolous case?

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    let us see an article or the letter instead of the epix site. Kinda weird that it is just him talking.
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    YOu only need one thread about this. You are starting to look like a troll who is making this stuff up. Post the damn letter or shut up already.

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    How many posts about this are you going to make Doc?? I really don't think we need one in every forum especially since it's unconfirmed at this point.

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    yup - get a scan up por favor.....
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    Hey everyone, grab your pitchforks and jump on the hater bandwagon!!!

    Is anyone else getting tired of weaponized social media? Pretty soon it's going to turn into the boy who cried wolf and no one will listen.

    Maybe people should focus more on the fact that lawyers are making a lot of money for themselves with all of this. Seems to me specialized's lawyers are looking for job security in the wrong ways... and this isn't limited to only specialized, they're just in the limelight right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iWiLRiDe View Post
    Can't these businesses counter suit on account of this being a frivolous case?
    Sure, they could, but it takes $$$ to afford the legal fees, and that is how the megacorps win. They just drag out the legal proceedings until the little guy is drained of money, then win by default.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    Sure, they could, but it takes $$$ to afford the legal fees, and that is how the megacorps win. They just drag out the legal proceedings until the little guy is drained of money, then win by default.



    Where is the scan?

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    Sorry about the multiple posts in various threads, but I'm just so frustrated with corporate bullies, that I felt the need to get this and the previous story about Café Roubaix out to as wide an audience as possible.

    I have absolutely NO affiliation with Epix, and am now starting to be quite curious myself about seeing a copy of the actual letter.
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    please excuse some thread wonkiness....just merged a whole mess into this one...
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    This should be deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    I would like to see the letter.
    Epix says that they will be releasing more info on this situation this evening...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    Yep, smacks of opportunism, would really like to see the letter before proceeding.
    Epix says that they will be releasing more info on this situation this evening...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Pardon me for being an old cynic, but this seems like some gratuitous publicity for Epix?!?!
    Epix says that they will be releasing more info on this situation this evening... and given SpecialEd's history of bullying, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Epix over the "S" Holes until proven differently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
    Post the letter please.
    I have nothing to do with Epix; just saw THEIR post about this, late last night on Facebook, and it pissed me off. Epix says that they will be releasing more info on this situation this evening... and given SpecialEd's history of bullying, I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Epix over the "S" Holes until proven differently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by musikron View Post
    Post the damn letter or shut up already.
    Epix says on their facebook page that they will be releasing more info on this situation sometime this evening. I'm looking forward to the details, myself.
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    Maybe go after Ellsworth as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    I have absolutely NO affiliation with Epix, and am now starting to be quite curious myself about seeing a copy of the actual letter.
    what what whaaat?! your 1st post you said YOU just got a letter from special ed saying they are after your family company. WTF i dont get it, sumthin round here is fishy and its not my taco.

    edit: put up or shut up. i am not a fanboy, but your cred is shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    On the very day that the Cafe Roubaix debacle seems to be coming to a close... Just when you thought it was getting better:

    Specialized is at it AGAIN!!!

    Jarek Barc That's nice. And TODAY I get a letter from Specialized lawyers saying my family-owned apparel brand, Epix (Epix Cycling & Triathlon Gear) is too similar in their eyes to Specialized "Epic" MTB frames. Come on guys. The wording is DIFFERENT. The stylization on the wording is DIFFERENT. We are not competing for the same clients (bike frames vs apparel). I invested my life in this, just like Dan did. I'm not saying you shouldn't defend what is rightfully yours. I'm saying you are over-reaching. You did so with Dan, you are doing so with me, and I think the vast majority of people will agree.

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    FUKK YOU SPECIALIZED!!! IN THE A$$!!! WITH A RUSTED CROWBAR!!! AND NO LUBE!!!
    So the rusty crowbar statement is you or epix saying that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    what what whaaat?! your 1st post you said YOU just got a letter from special ed saying they are after your family company. WTF i dont get it, sumthin round here is fishy and its not my taco.

    edit: put up or shut up. i am not a fanboy, but your cred is shit
    Sorry about the confusion, I merely cut and pasted a post by someone at Epix, and then added my own comment to the bottom of it and then pasted it here. It was late last night and I was tired, and I didn't notice that it appeared to read as if I was part of Epix. My apologies to everybody at Epix, if my extreme displeasure at SpecialEd and my even more extreme way of stating such has been interpreted to be from Epix. The opinions stated and the words used are mine and NOT theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    So the rusty crowbar statement is you or epix saying that?
    The rusty crowbar comment is mine, NOT Epix. My deep apologies to everybody at Epix for the confusion. It was late last night, and I was tired when I cut and pasted the original bit from Epix's Facebook page, and then added my own $.02 and I posted it without proofreading. Sorry to all for the confusion. The folks at Epix are handling this with much more grace, similarly to how Caafe Roubaix handled it. It was just me being angry at how Special Ed was treating Epix, and going agro. Nobody at Epix has gone off about this anywhere near as hardcore as I did.
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    I feel like a douche for owning 2 of their bikes, they make good stuff, why do they have to be such azzholes?
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    I like Specialized bikes. I have two currently, have owned and sold several more, and will buy their bikes again, particularly if I ever get the fatbike bug again.

    On the outrage scale this whole thing barely registers with me. I've had nothing but good customer service from specialized and the couple of problems I've had with their products were resolved quickly.

    It's business. At what point would you say Specialized is justified in protecting their intellectual property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    Post the letter. This thread is a "selfie" until then. Trust but verify. A call to arms without supporting it is not kosher. I'll sharpen my knives until then.
    I just became aware of the fact that my original post makes it look as if I am part of Epix. I am not. The opinions stated and the angry language used are mine and are NOT the words of anyone at Epix. I merely saw a post about this late last night on the Epix Facebook page, and cut and pasted it, then added my own intro and summary, and posted it, without taking time to proofread the composite of their words and mine, before I posted it. I was merely trying to help someone who I saw as being bullyed, by getting the word out, and in retrospect, it looks as if my extreme outrage that I expressed appeared to have been their (The good folk at Epix) words. They were not their words; they were mine. Sorry to all for the confusion. Good luck to Epix in their fight with the bully!
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    Respectfully, you should have this thread deleted while you still maintain a thread of credibility.

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    Specialized. I have something to say.
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    For all of the Doubting Thomas types

    Specialized at it AGAIN!!!-epix.jpg

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Masked Avenger View Post
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    Specialized is being a bully.
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    Specialized owner admits mistake - give him credit for taking responsibility.

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    A scan is all anyone asked for, 10 hours ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    A scan is all anyone asked for, 10 hours ago.
    And it has already been posted 3 times on the previous page.

    https://www.facebook.com/epixgear

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    And it has already been posted 3 times on the previous page.

    https://www.facebook.com/epixgear

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    No shit Sherlock, it only took 10 hours.

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    and that is relevant how?

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    It is relevant because you don't start a crucifixion without all the relevant documents. And how are you relevant in this thread since you just entered it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    On the very day that the Cafe Roubaix debacle seems to be coming to a close... Just when you thought it was getting better:

    Specialized is at it AGAIN!!!

    Jarek Barc That's nice. And TODAY I get a letter from Specialized lawyers saying my family-owned apparel brand, Epix (Epix Cycling & Triathlon Gear) is too similar in their eyes to Specialized "Epic" MTB frames. Come on guys. The wording is DIFFERENT. The stylization on the wording is DIFFERENT. We are not competing for the same clients (bike frames vs apparel). I invested my life in this, just like Dan did. I'm not saying you shouldn't defend what is rightfully yours. I'm saying you are over-reaching. You did so with Dan, you are doing so with me, and I think the vast majority of people will agree.

    Epix Cycling & Triathlon Gear
    I have little sympathy for you.
    You have been around long enough to know that Spec has a trademark on "Epic" and aggressively defends it.
    Changing the spelling does little as it still sounds VERY similar. The look of the logo does not matter.
    You made a poor choice.
    Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russinthecascades View Post
    Specialized owner admits mistake - give him credit for taking responsibility.

    Sinyard Takes Responsibility And Apologises To Café Roubaix Owner | Cyclingnews.com
    That was such a sorry excuse for an awkward, nervous and insincere FORCED apology, that I'm ashamed for any of you who are actually Stupid (with a large red "S") enough to believe that it had any meaning other than, "I'm in deep S#!+ (with another, bigger red "S") now... What do I HAVE to do, now that I've been called out by so many THOUSANDS of people for being a COMPLETE douchebag?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    No shit Sherlock, it only took 10 hours.
    Well then, Floyd Dippenshit, what have though to say about Special Ed waiting until DAY FIVE of the Cafe Roubaix debacle to utter a peep, or about the fact that not one of the "S" Holes at the Big Red "S" has commented on this so far???
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have little sympathy for you.
    You have been around long enough to know that Spec has a trademark on "Epic" and aggressively defends it.
    Changing the spelling does little as it still sounds VERY similar. The look of the logo does not matter.
    You made a poor choice.
    Period.
    Why don't you go "moderate" the Specialized forum instead of this one, since you're such a Specialized fanboy? Perhaps then, if you do a good enough job of neutralizing all of the incoming artillery, Big Mike himself might just come around and give you a great big bro-hug like Dan got!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    Well then, Floyd Dippenshit, what have though to say about Special Ed waiting until DAY FIVE of the Cafe Roubaix debacle to utter a peep, or about the fact that not one of the "S" Holes at the Big Red "S" has commented on this so far???




    I think that you could possibly be the biggest dipshyit on the board for not having all the info went you went off half cocked trying to garner favor with the anti Big Sers. You know how it works, pics or GTFO. So much fail in one thread. So now, what do you think dipshyt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have little sympathy for you.
    You have been around long enough to know that Spec has a trademark on "Epic" and aggressively defends it.
    Changing the spelling does little as it still sounds VERY similar. The look of the logo does not matter.
    You made a poor choice.
    Period.
    I see what you mean, "Specialized Epic" is sooooo incredibly difficult to distinguish from "Epix Gear". I'm sure that many customers have tried to purchase a mediocre mountain bike from the Big Red "S", and ended up with some really great road jersey or shorts by mistake. (By the way, Shigglet, I have absolutely NOTHING to do with Epix, other than being completely disgusted by the corporate bullying that they have been the target of, so please don't say, "you", but rather kindly refer to the good folk at Epix as "they", lest more people confuse those good folk with some crusty old guy with a bad attitude, like ME.)
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    Well let us look. Specialized didn't own the rights for Roubaix another company did. Also since Roubaix was name of a town the Trademark was questionable. Epic is not a place so Specialized could and did trademark the name.

    Epix is very similar and can easily be mistaken for Specialized since Spec does sell apparel. So in this case Specialized does have a case and the owner of Epix is just trying to use the Roubaix case to their own advantage. Sorry Epix doesn't get my sympathies for this.
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    so is my buddies "epic cycles" is in jeopardy? they have nothing to do with bicycles just moto. i mean they both have the word cycle, so he's fvck'd too? i will ghost ride a moto through their HQ if so. oh shit, there's an epic cycles thats sells bicycles in clermont florida. fvck i'd better call em tomorrow that the hammer is coming. shit it looks like they went bankrupt once already

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    Specialized at it AGAIN!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    I see what you mean, "Specialized Epic" is sooooo incredibly difficult to distinguish from "Epix Gear". I'm sure that many customers have tried to purchase a mediocre mountain bike from the Big Red "S", and ended up with some really great road jersey or shorts by mistake. (By the way, Shigglet, I have absolutely NOTHING to do with Epix, other than being completely disgusted by the corporate bullying that they have been the target of, so please don't say, "you", but rather kindly refer to the good folk at Epix as "they", lest more people confuse those good folk with some crusty old guy with a bad attitude, like ME.)
    Well, you presented this as being YOUR family company. Since is it not, and you are not in this fight, the thread is over.

    The only true words in your responses is you are a crusty old guy with a bad attitude.
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