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    So, if you're in a bind, Wal Mart.

    I was in the local Wal Mart (I know, they are evil!), and thought I'd look at the bike accessories to see if they had 29er tubes. Lo and behold, they do. They're called a 'universal' tube, made by Bell. Says it fits a 29" tire, 2.10 x 2.25 with a Presta valve. More info here> bell sports universal tube - Walmart.com

    The also have (or at least they do in the Wal Mart here) Bell Kingpin 29er tires, for $28. Says it has "extra flat resistance", is a 2.25 size and is a folding tire. The tread pattern looked ok, not the most aggressive I've ever seen, but it sure beats walking or cancelling your ride. Hell, I'm thinking about getting a couple for weekday rides so I don't wear out my $50 "good" tires.

    More info on the tire here> bell sports kingpin 29 - Walmart.com



    And please, yes, I know how bad Wal Mart is. But like I say, if you've just driven 2 hours to get to a trailhead and you need a tire or a tube, I don't think this one time is gonna hurt.
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    26x2.1-2.5 tubes work fine in my 29 RaRas, so save a little too. The Performance Racing Ralphs are about 35 at Cycleclub and they weigh quite a bit less than these, so a spare isn't a bad idea.

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    If you go to Amazon and search for "CST Critter," it's a 29 x 2.10 tire you can get for $12.21.

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    I'm suppose to post 5 times before I can ask a question. So here's post #1: You can always try the Walmart tube to see how it works.

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    no excuses for shopping at Wal Mart. Ever.

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    Me and my father race motocross together. Getting ready for a race one night, the grips on his quad were about shot so he decided to check out the Walmart bike stuff. Picked up a set of Schwinn grips. They're black and red, and to be honest, they've been awesome. They're soft and have held up extremely well.
    Also running some wallyworld special tubes in my bmx bike for a few months with so problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zkid09 View Post
    Me and my father race motocross together. Getting ready for a race one night, the grips on his quad were about shot so he decided to check out the Walmart bike stuff. Picked up a set of Schwinn grips. They're black and red, and to be honest, they've been awesome. They're soft and have held up extremely well.
    Also running some wallyworld special tubes in my bmx bike for a few months with so problems.
    just find somewhere else to shop. wal mart is one of the absolute worse companies for the economy, they promote poverty in the US and overseas. there is no excuse for shopping there, alternatives exist everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    just find somewhere else to shop. wal mart is one of the absolute worse companies for the economy, they promote poverty in the US and overseas. there is no excuse for shopping there, alternatives exist everywhere.
    You might as well be dipping water out of the ocean with a teaspoon.

    100M shop at Wal-Mart every week.

    How about ragging on something that is a detriment to our health - like McDonalds? They serve 62M customers a day - or 434M every week!!!

    On the other hand, Wal-Mart sold more bananas last year than any other item in their stores. Now that's healthy...

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    I run these tires actually. Tried them after my AKAs wore out just for fun, figuring I could discard them and only be out $30 (for 1). They are actually CST Caballeros. I've never had a flat and only three thorns have punctured the tread area all the way through. Run them tubeless with no problem on Arch wheels although I have to add a couple lbs of air/week. The tread wears like iron and I have not cut a sidewall yet even on sharp rocky trails. Actual weight=810 grams each.

    I know there's dislike for many things Walmart on the MTBR forums but these are legit tires from the parent company of Maxxis.

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    Double post....sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    You might as well be dipping water out of the ocean with a teaspoon.

    100M shop at Wal-Mart every week.

    How about ragging on something that is a detriment to our health - like McDonalds? They serve 62M customers a day - or 434M every week!!!

    On the other hand, Wal-Mart sold more bananas last year than any other item in their stores. Now that's healthy...
    Wal Mart is a much bigger detriment to the health of the economy which in turn affects everyone. They employ roughly two million people, all of whom live around the poverty line. If you're a clerk you live below the line, if you're a manager you live just above the line but because of all the unpaid overtime you are pressured into your real wage is below the line.

    Can Wal Mart afford better wages? They are owned by a family of 5 worth $40 billion combined. So can they afford to pay better? Pretty rhetorical question don't you think?

    How does this affect the economy? All those employees have to rely on social services to get by in life, so even though they have a full time job they still need social services.

    Wal Mart's corporate motto is Save Money Live Better. Pretty easy to see who is living better.

    Lots of change is possible but only if people are aware and conscious of what is happening around them. Now you know a little bit about Wal Mart, do you still think they are something worth defending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMTB View Post
    I run these tires actually. Tried them after my AKAs wore out just for fun, figuring I could discard them and only be out $30 (for 1). They are actually CST Caballeros. I've never had a flat and only three thorns have punctured the tread area all the way through. Run them tubeless with no problem on Arch wheels although I have to add a couple lbs of air/week. The tread wears like iron and I have not cut a sidewall yet even on sharp rocky trails. Actual weight=810 grams each.

    I know there's dislike for many things Walmart on the MTBR forums but these are legit tires from the parent company of Maxxis.
    just buy them somewhere else, buy everything somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Lots of change is possible but only if people are aware and conscious of what is happening around them. Now you know a little bit about Wal Mart, do you still think they are something worth defending?
    I think I know and have read more about WM than you imply. Plenty of antiWal-Mart threads exist, but most end up in the ReCycle Bin here at MTBR.com.

    This thread was more about the viability of picking up a tire/tube at a Wal-Mart. Not to mention, they do sell some 29"er models that have been well discussed on the 29"er forum.

    BB (Who does, on occasion, shop at WM and holds stock in the company)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Wal Mart is a much bigger detriment to the health of the economy which in turn affects everyone. They employ roughly two million people, all of whom live around the poverty line. If you're a clerk you live below the line, if you're a manager you live just above the line but because of all the unpaid overtime you are pressured into your real wage is below the line.

    Can Wal Mart afford better wages? They are owned by a family of 5 worth $40 billion combined. So can they afford to pay better? Pretty rhetorical question don't you think?

    How does this affect the economy? All those employees have to rely on social services to get by in life, so even though they have a full time job they still need social services.

    Wal Mart's corporate motto is Save Money Live Better. Pretty easy to see who is living better.

    Lots of change is possible but only if people are aware and conscious of what is happening around them. Now you know a little bit about Wal Mart, do you still think they are something worth defending?
    All I hear is:

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

    Why not just look up one of the myriad other WM posts here at mtbr, copy and paste, and save yourself some life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Wal Mart is a much bigger detriment to the health of the economy which in turn affects everyone. They employ roughly two million people, all of whom live around the poverty line. If you're a clerk you live below the line, if you're a manager you live just above the line but because of all the unpaid overtime you are pressured into your real wage is below the line.

    Can Wal Mart afford better wages? They are owned by a family of 5 worth $40 billion combined. So can they afford to pay better? Pretty rhetorical question don't you think?

    How does this affect the economy? All those employees have to rely on social services to get by in life, so even though they have a full time job they still need social services.

    Wal Mart's corporate motto is Save Money Live Better. Pretty easy to see who is living better.

    Lots of change is possible but only if people are aware and conscious of what is happening around them. Now you know a little bit about Wal Mart, do you still think they are something worth defending?




    The reality is you should fear your government more than wallyworld.

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    I run the 26" version on the front tubeless. Burped a couple times because pressure was too low. Rubber could be softer but at $17 (opened return item), not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    The reality is you should fear your government more than wallyworld.
    You"re right about the US government, it is easily the most feared regime in the world.

    As for Wal Mart, they are just plain despicable, completely un-american and worthy of everyones scorn.

    The tires pictured by the OP are found in other outlets.

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    Yep-CST cabalaro......my shop has them at $20 wire bead/$25 kevlar. Wallyworld is not your friend-the LBS is-ask them to get some!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    The reality is you should fear your government more than wallyworld.
    Seen many black helicopters lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Seen many black helicopters lately?
    He probably just read a history book or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29buzz View Post
    Yep-CST cabalaro......my shop has them at $20 wire bead/$25 kevlar. Wallyworld is not your friend-the LBS is-ask them to get some!
    Was just about to chime in that these look just like rebadged CST Caballeros . . . which can easily be found cheaper than $30 per tire.

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    No good

    Lol at the Wally World activists.

    Find me a better deal locally on ammo or oil (only things I buy there) and ill consider not going.

    Nobody is holding a gun to their employees heads. If they had better educations and weren't rude as fawk maybe they could work elsewhere. In fact many seem quite happy to be standing around in circles not working or helping customers as they make minimum wage. Yup, guess I should feel sorry for them.

    Until then, your agendas mean nothing to me, save it for a section of the forums that give a crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post

    Nobody is holding a gun to their employees heads. If they had better educations and weren't rude as fawk maybe they could work elsewhere. In fact many seem quite happy to be standing around in circles not working or helping customers as they make minimum wage. Yup, guess I should feel sorry for them.
    I was reading this thread and was going to post something very similiar. Without getting into an entire economics debate on pay, these employees have the option of looking for a higher paid job or equiping themselves to get a higher paying job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Seen many black helicopters lately?
    I fly them for a living. Well, they are actually REALLY dark green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    On the other hand, Wal-Mart sold more bananas last year than any other item in their stores. Now that's healthy...

    No that just means Monkeys shop there!!!!

    And for the record, their prices are not cheaper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    The reality is you should fear your government more than wallyworld.




    How does the Bell tire hold up to use? I don't see any reviews for the tire on here, pound on it for awhile and see if you can get a review made up. I'd try it if I didnt already do the tubeless setup. I dont have any decent backup tires for trail use, and since ChinaMart is closer than the LBS I wouldn't rule it out as a backup plan.

    I've seen 1 or maybe 2- 29er tires on the shelf but never at the same time. I found it odd that WM doesn't carry presta tools/air gauges but yet they sell tubes with presta valves I got a pair of the Bell full finger gloves had to cut the thumb tip off due to seam rubbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    You"re right about the US government, it is easily the most feared regime in the world.

    As for Wal Mart, they are just plain despicable, completely un-american and worthy of everyones scorn.

    The tires pictured by the OP are found in other outlets.
    more than communist china? really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    You"re right about the US government, it is easily the most feared regime in the world.

    As for Wal Mart, they are just plain despicable, completely un-american and worthy of everyones scorn.

    The tires pictured by the OP are found in other outlets.
    unfortunately (for better or worse) those "other outlets" are far, far away from many.

    i'm not defending wal mart. there's not one within twenty miles of my house and if there was, i wouldn't shop there. my ex girlfriend used to like to shop in the one that WAS in that twenty mile radius. god love the children, WHAT A SICKENING EXPERIENCE, every time. i have never, ever seen so many fat, ugly people in one place...

    however, this is the united states of america. nobody is twisting your arm and forcing you to shop at wal mart (although maybe your wives/girlfriends are dragging you there against your will on a fine saturday morning)

    in america, you have the choice to shop where you want along with being allowed to run your business the way you want so long as you adhere to certain laws and regulations.

    personally, if i was on a road trip and desperately needed a tube or tire and could not find an LBS but WAS able to find a wal mart, i'd hit up the wal mart.

    end of rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Lol at the Wally World activists.

    Find me a better deal locally on ammo or oil (only things I buy there) and ill consider not going.

    Nobody is holding a gun to their employees heads. If they had better educations and weren't rude as fawk maybe they could work elsewhere. In fact many seem quite happy to be standing around in circles not working or helping customers as they make minimum wage. Yup, guess I should feel sorry for them.

    Until then, your agendas mean nothing to me, save it for a section of the forums that give a crap.
    You are missing the point completely. Your attitude is a manifestation of everything that is wrong in society today. People like you think that the homeless guy in the street is there because it his fault, he must of done something wrong and thats why he is there.

    There is nothing wrong with being a shop clerk, we can't all be global acct managers or financial consultants or plumbers or electricians. Anybody with a full time job or a part time job are doing their part in the economy. They should not be subject to ignorant scorn.

    What is scandalous is that these people are fully employed but live below the poverty line while Ma and ®Pa Walton sit on a growing fortune of $40 billion. And your tax dollars are going in part to support Wal Mart employees.

    You should be more open minded and care not only about the natural environment but the social environment as well. The USA is the richest country in the world and there is no excuse for any one single american to be hungry or homeless. Wal Mart is part of the problem and not part of the solution and for that there is no excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    What is scandalous is that these people are fully employed but live below the poverty line while Ma and ®Pa Walton sit on a growing fortune of $40 billion.

    The USA is the richest country in the world and there is no excuse for any one single american to be hungry or homeless.
    I think you need to apply your argument to more than just Wal-Mart. Sure, they employ 1% of the US work force, but all other retailers combined (with similar wages) employ a lot more than 1% of the work force. Why not hound them as well?

    The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. That's $20,744 per year. Those wages are slightly below the national average for retail employees, which is $12.04 an hour. They also produce annual earnings that, in a one-earner household, are below the $22,000 poverty line.

    On the other hand, these wages are far above minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. They also aren't THAT FAR below the national retail average (only 2.5% below). In a two-earner household, moreover, these wages would produce a household income of $40,000+, which, in some areas of the country, is comfortably middle-class. Walmart offers benefits to some of its employees, as well as store discounts and profit-sharing plans.


    Read more: Walmart Employs 1% Of America. Should It Be Forced To Pay Its Employees More? - Business Insider

    The entire article is well worth the read.

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    I bought my Schwinn Sidewinder from Wal-Mart. It is not the best bike in the world, but is good as a more recreational bike so I don't have to use my muddied F9 (and eventually Cobia). Wal-Mart is terrible, I agree entirely, but the bikes there are good for a recreational secondary bike if you don't have over $500 to spend on two bikes.

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    While wallmart may be evil, lots of impoverished Americans rely on them to save money on food. My guess is that most of what's in their cart is highly processed stuff in a box or bag but at least they have food on the table for their kids. Reality sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    While wallmart may be evil, lots of impoverished Americans rely on them to save money on food. My guess is that most of what's in their cart is highly processed stuff in a box or bag but at least they have food on the table for their kids. Reality sucks.
    I have not seen the stats, but I bet it would be safe to say that the majority of youth bikes purchased in the US come from Wal-Mart as well. At least, if my neighborhood is representative, all but 1 kid (out of about 40 kids) is on a Wally World bike. And they all stop in my garage for tune-ups for some reason...

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    I've been using one of those tires. I like it a lot. It's supposedly a CST Caballero. It was easy to install, and seems to be very durable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    I think you need to apply your argument to more than just Wal-Mart. Sure, they employ 1% of the US work force, but all other retailers combined (with similar wages) employ a lot more than 1% of the work force. Why not hound them as well?

    The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. That's $20,744 per year. Those wages are slightly below the national average for retail employees, which is $12.04 an hour. They also produce annual earnings that, in a one-earner household, are below the $22,000 poverty line.

    On the other hand, these wages are far above minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. They also aren't THAT FAR below the national retail average (only 2.5% below). In a two-earner household, moreover, these wages would produce a household income of $40,000+, which, in some areas of the country, is comfortably middle-class. Walmart offers benefits to some of its employees, as well as store discounts and profit-sharing plans.

    .
    Read more: Walmart Employs 1% Of America. Should It Be Forced To Pay Its Employees More? - Business Insider

    The entire article is well worth the read.
    Wal Mart appears in the pages of this website for one reason or another. So my comments are restricted to Wal Mart. There are much bigger problems in society than Wal Mart but in its own way Wal Mart is an obvious example of the worst kind of corporate behaviour. And Wal Mart is guilty of much more than poverty line wages.

    The Business Insider is a profit seeking publication, their profits come mainly from advertising revenues, it is not in their interest to upset the corporate elite. There is a banner riding across the top the website advertising billionaire.com. You have to be a mental genius to not know what Business Insider is all about.

    Never the less I read the article, thanks for the link. It is a telling point in American society that the media publishes an article with such a headline. First it describes how the US has the largest number of unemployed ever, followed by a few general facts of the rich elite, Wal Marts sales figures, the effects of globalization, how much a Wal Mart worker earns and how that compares with the retail industry.

    Then we get to the main event, the headline question coupled coupled with a few other questions like should the govt force them to pay better. The writer even points out that his purpose is not to provide definitive answers but to spur debate.

    The article then says that before you answer the headline question here is something to think about and then the writer offers you reams of info on why it would be impossible for Wal Mart to pay more. In fact this section of the article is twice as long as the rest of the article and totally designed to guard the interests of the corporate elite. I would encourage everyone to read the article and see this for yourselves.

    No mention of the fact that Wal Mart employees have to pay to join the benefits scheme or that said scheme is very expensive. No mention of unpaid over time. No mention that the Walton's are one of the richest families in the world.

    Try to look critically at what the media presents.

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    Funny thread. I and mid 40's and make less then a Walmart employee at a LBS. I am fine with it. If I wanted to make more I would look for different work. We all have decisions to make, but in the end our life choices put us were we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Try to look critically at what the media presents.
    I'm sensing you're not a fan of the new capitalism (Wal-Mart, Ikea, Microsoft, McDonald's, Southwest Airlines, etc...).

    You might enjoy this as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning Lizard View Post
    Funny thread. I and mid 40's and make less then a Walmart employee at a LBS. I am fine with it. If I wanted to make more I would look for different work. We all have decisions to make, but in the end our life choices put us were we are.
    I think you'll find that the average Wal Mart employee makes a wage closer to the minimum level and not the figures quoted in that article.

    Sometimes life choices have nothing to do with it. A handful of investment banks, a couple of insurance companies and a few ratings agencies later and 9 million people have lost their homes and another hundred million have lost their jobs. Not really a life choice that one.

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    I like shopping at Walmart occasionally for things I need. No issues with their business model. Globalization is here to stay and Walmart is living the American dream.

    One thing to watch for in the next year. I'll wager that we'll see Walmart and other big businesses limiting employees to 25 hours a week or less. No more full time workers. This eliminates the need for the employer to provide benefits under the Obama care plan. This is our employment future. If you don't have a stable, full time job with benefits now, you never will. The norm will be people with multiple part time jobs.

    I say this because I see my employer (the US Government) already moving in this direction. All of our civilian employees who are part time have been permanently limited to 25 hours a week. They have been threatened with termination if they work more than that. This gives us a 5 hour buffer before we are required to give them benefits.
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    Life choices have nothing to do with it? Ok....poor Wal Mart employees they are such giving, caring people with college educations. I guess bad luck put them where they are.

    If people didn't choose to live outside their means or so close to max they wouldn't have lost their homes when things got tough. You likely blame banks for that, at the end of the day it's an uneducated decision made by the consumer. Years ago before the home loan crisis I was approved for an insane amount of "home" to afford. I went to another broker as I found what I was told highly irresponsible.

    You seem to like to blame corporations, banks or governments, when did taking responsibility for your own life decisions leave the discussion? IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR GOVERMENT JOB, FIND ANOTHER JOB.

    Nothing personal onenaotch, but your POV's are tiresome at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I like shopping at Walmart occasionally for things I need. No issues with their business model. Globalization is here to stay and Walmart is living the American dream.

    One thing to watch for in the next year. I'll wager that we'll see Walmart and other big businesses limiting employees to 25 hours a week or less. No more full time workers. This eliminates the need for the employer to provide benefits under the Obama care plan. This is our employment future. If you don't have a stable, full time job with benefits now, you never will. The norm will be people with multiple part time jobs.

    I say this because I see my employer (the US Government) already moving in this direction. All of our civilian employees who are part time have been permanently limited to 25 hours a week. They have been threatened with termination if they work more than that. This gives us a 5 hour buffer before we are required to give them benefits.
    Luckily, other states have employers beyond Walmart and the Government ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Can Wal Mart afford better wages? They are owned by a family of 5 worth $40 billion combined. So can they afford to pay better? Pretty rhetorical question don't you think?
    Lets see. 40,000,000,000/2,000,000 = 20,000. So if they give up their wealth, they can give each employee $20000, or about $10 per hour for a year. Then what?

    Or, say, they just reinvest it in the business, and pay out added value to employees. Lets say it is 5% per year of the capital. That is a $1000 per year, per employee.

    But that would mean that their capital is pulled out of wherever it is invested right now. $40B is a value of a company with about 200,000 employees? So those 200K people will lose their jobs (as their business loses investment), so as to give Walmart employee a $1000 per year raise.

    No sure that the society will benefit as a whole.

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    Life choices have nothing to do with it? Ok....poor Wal Mart employees they are such giving, caring people with college educations. I guess bad luck put them where they are.

    If people didn't choose to live outside their means or so close to max they wouldn't have lost their homes when things got tough. You likely blame banks for that, at the end of the day it's an uneducated decision made by the consumer. Years ago before the home loan crisis I was approved for an insane amount of "home" to afford. I went to another broker as I found what I was told highly irresponsible.

    You seem to like to blame corporations, banks or governments, when did taking responsibility for your own life decisions leave the discussion? IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR GOVERMENT JOB, FIND ANOTHER JOB.

    Nothing personal onenaotch, but your POV's are tiresome at best.
    I am not blaming anyone, just pointing out some facts and offering a critical view. You can probably find quite a few cases of people living outside their means contributing to the loss of their home but when 9 million and counting have lost their homes the issue is fundamentally bigger than that.

    I am ok with my job and my pay and all of that. But I worry for my kids. This society that has grown up is not very pleasant anymore. Look at this thread, some of you think that if someone is down on their luck then it must be their fault and obviously if you work at Wal Mart you deserve everything they dish out.

    There are many more things that are corrupt about Wal Mart besides their obvious feudal system and I hardly think people find feudalism to be the american dream. And if you really look at globalism, I mean really look at it you will find that it is not a dream but a nightmare.

    As for the banks, after the crash of 1929 we never had a financial crisis until ronald reagan started to deregulate the finance sector. Since then it has been a series of ever increasing crises, each one getting worse. Savings and loans in the 80's, the dot com bust of the late 90's early 2000 and the biggest one yet in 2008.

    I see HSBC has just paid a record $2 billion fine for money laundering but nobody is going to jail. Sounds like a huge fine but what do they care, for them its like getting a traffic ticket. I don't need to go into any details on this one as its all in the press right now.

    Not only do banks get bail outs but they must have landed on community chest because congress is handing out Get of Jail Free cards.

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    I wonder what the labor rate should be for an position that requires no formal education, any critical thinking, and does not appear to require any type of dress code. It's not like these associates are asked to make decisions that impact the bottom line of Wal-Mart. They are asked to stock shelves, smile at customers, and direct them where to find what they are looking for.

    My guess many of them would not be able to find a higher paying job which is why they are working there in the first place.

    Could Wal-Mart pay them more, I'm sure of it, but why would they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    I am ok with my job and my pay and all of that. But I worry for my kids. This society that has grown up is not very pleasant anymore. Look at this thread, some of you think that if someone is down on their luck then it must be their fault and obviously if you work at Wal Mart you deserve everything they dish out.
    We do hear that every generation for ages. Yet somehow it actually does get better. Even Walmart employees do have access to education, leisure, personal growth opportunities, information, food and clothing etc. that is drastically better than ever before.

    Sky is not falling (well, unless socialists indeed do take over and repeat the failed experiments of the XXth century.)

    And care to explain how Walmart owners giving up their fortune will benefit anybody to any meaningful extent? I took a crack at numbers - got better ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    We do hear that every generation for ages. Yet somehow it actually does get better. Even Walmart employees do have access to education, leisure, personal growth opportunities, information, food and clothing etc. that is drastically better than ever before.

    Sky is not falling (well, unless socialists indeed do take over and repeat the failed experiments of the XXth century.)

    And care to explain how Walmart owners giving up their fortune will benefit anybody to any meaningful extent? I took a crack at numbers - got better ones?
    Remember, America has been going down the tubes for 30 years ... somehow, I think it'll all workout. I bet Walmart won't even seem that bad someday. Disclosure: I don't shop there and my county doesn't have one or ever will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbmartin View Post
    I wonder what the labor rate should be for an position that requires no formal education, any critical thinking, and does not appear to require any type of dress code. It's not like these associates are asked to make decisions that impact the bottom line of Wal-Mart. They are asked to stock shelves, smile at customers, and direct them where to find what they are looking for.

    My guess many of them would not be able to find a higher paying job which is why they are working there in the first place.

    Could Wal-Mart pay them more, I'm sure of it, but why would they?
    Therefore if you are a worker performing a menial task, and a shop clerk is menial work but so what, you deserve to be in poverty. You are advocating slave labour. And that is exactly what Wal Mart has, a slave labour force so the owners can live the american dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    We do hear that every generation for ages. Yet somehow it actually does get better. Even Walmart employees do have access to education, leisure, personal growth opportunities, information, food and clothing etc. that is drastically better than ever before.

    Sky is not falling (well, unless socialists indeed do take over and repeat the failed experiments of the XXth century.)

    And care to explain how Walmart owners giving up their fortune will benefit anybody to any meaningful extent? I took a crack at numbers - got better ones?
    You have got to be kidding. You think the US is not in trouble. The highest unemployment rate ever, there are cities of tents growing everywhere. Free education is disappearing faster than a speeding bullet and there has never been real healthcare. The streets of all major cities have armies of street people pushing shopping carts around. And you want to hold this all up as a shining example of the 21st century.

    Nobody is suggesting that Wal Mart should give up its fortune just that they treat their work force like humans and get them off the poverty line and off social services.

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    Walmart is a sad and ugly place, it gives me the the creeps to shop there, but I have on rare occasion. It is the product of the decline of the middle class, on many levels. I am not against capitalism, just tasteless garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venturi95 View Post
    Walmart is a sad and ugly place, it gives me the the creeps to shop there, but I have on rare occasion. It is the product of the decline of the middle class, on many levels. I am not against capitalism, just tasteless garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    You have got to be kidding.
    Not in the slightest. I am just not a fan of hysterical exaggerations not based in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    You think the US is not in trouble. The highest unemployment rate ever, there are cities of tents growing everywhere. Free education is disappearing faster than a speeding bullet and there has never been real healthcare. The streets of all major cities have armies of street people pushing shopping carts around. And you want to hold this all up as a shining example of the 21st century.
    I figure you have not been around the world much, or just do not remember how it was aorund here not too log ago.

    For crying out loud, US had well established racism just not so long ago.

    No real healthcare? Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post

    Nobody is suggesting that Wal Mart should give up its fortune just that they treat their work force like humans and get them off the poverty line and off social services.
    How? What exactly you are proposing? Give everybody a raise? How much? Where would that money come from? We have already established that owners giving up all of their wealth would not account for much - then where from? It will only can come from the pockets of customers. How is that a great thing?

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    If it wasn't for Walmart where would all my burnt out pot smoking buddies from the 70s work?
    They're so fried they can barely stock shelves properly.
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    Reading through these wall mart threads an outsider gets the impression that some think they are the cause of every evil and problem with your society, they sound like the spawn of satan, like an evil brainwashing cult....
    It looks to me that if you got rid of wall mart every problem you have would disappear over night and everything would be all rosie, who knows even the wether might change and all the poor people might find homes and work.......
    Sounds to me like Wall mart is the root of every evil past and present in the states, maybe they were responsible for 9/11, has anybody ever thought of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Reading through these wall mart threads an outsider gets the impression that some think they are the cause of every evil and problem with your society, they sound like the spawn of satan, like an evil brainwashing cult....
    It looks to me that if you got rid of wall mart every problem you have would disappear over night and everything would be all rosie, who knows even the wether might change and all the poor people might find homes and work.......
    Sounds to me like Wall mart is the root of every evil past and present in the states, maybe they were responsible for 9/11, has anybody ever thought of that?
    Walmart was certainly the cause of 9/11, don't you watch Jerry springer?

    Definitely agree though. Everyone makes Walmart out as the spawn of satan. Don't get me wrong, they are far from the best company to buy from but they're here to stay and everyone that doesn't buy from them doesn't even make a dent. Ever seen that place around holidays? Ridiculous! Try going for a gallon of milk and wait in line for an hour.
    I'm all for helping everyone I can. Especially those who work at Walmart. I actually have a few friends that work there and they are making fair money considering theyre going through school.
    As far as them not taking care of their employees like some mention, if its true and so bad it isn't the only job out there. There are plenty like it out there. Grocery stores, auto parts stores, restaurants, other convenience stores,etc.

    Not trying to start an argument, just think the Walmart thing is blamed for too much and everyone knows they aren't going anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Reading through these wall mart threads an outsider gets the impression that some think they are the cause of every evil and problem with your society, they sound like the spawn of satan, like an evil brainwashing cult....
    It looks to me that if you got rid of wall mart every problem you have would disappear over night and everything would be all rosie, who knows even the wether might change and all the poor people might find homes and work.......
    Sounds to me like Wall mart is the root of every evil past and present in the states, maybe they were responsible for 9/11, has anybody ever thought of that?


    You're right. It's because everyone loves a scapegoat.

    Hence, just about every thread that mentions Wal-Mart ends up in the condition this thread has taken and is eventually moved to the recycle-bin.

    And to think the OP began the thread pointing out that tubes and tires in size 29"er are available under the Bell label that Wal-Mart sells. Scapegoater stepitup__onenotch then began his propaganda....

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    I have a Bell tube from walmart in one wheel and a specialized tube from a LBS in the other. Although I would say there is no quality difference, I prefer the Bell tube from walmart because the valve doesn't stick out 2" from the rim like the specialized tube.
    I mean seriously, wtf is up with the super long valve on that damn specialized tube.

    BTW, as much as I dislike walmart, like most people I still go there.
    Cheapest place to buy Cliff Bars other than Target and Target is about another 10 min from the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alberto_ View Post
    Lol at the Wally World activists.

    Find me a better deal locally on ammo or oil (only things I buy there) and ill consider not going.

    Nobody is holding a gun to their employees heads. If they had better educations and weren't rude as fawk maybe they could work elsewhere. In fact many seem quite happy to be standing around in circles not working or helping customers as they make minimum wage. Yup, guess I should feel sorry for them.

    Until then, your agendas mean nothing to me, save it for a section of the forums that give a crap.

    Stating the obvious wasn't necessary.

    Wal-Mart thrives because the average American cares about nothing but themselves and would trade just about anything to "save" a nickel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
    Stating the obvious wasn't necessary.

    Wal-Mart thrives because the average American cares about nothing but themselves and would trade just about anything to "save" a nickel.
    Plus many Americans don't have a clue what quality looks like anymore. Just look at the average fat and tasteless Joe twelve pack on the street. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
    Wal-Mart thrives because the average American cares about nothing but themselves and would trade just about anything to "save" a nickel.
    It's not unique, by any means, only to Americans. I can vouch for Europeans as well, and plenty of studies have shown it is global.

    What is global....?

    It's actually a global trend (Consumer Relevancy) that started more than two decades ago (I'd even go so far as to say it started in earnest 4 decades ago) to provide technology and a lifestyle at lower price points so that more than just the upper echelon (financially) of society could also "participate".

    In order for a brand to become successful, Keller and Berry suggest, it must be associated with a meaningful product; for example, something that improves the quality of life, that connects to a passion or that contributes to causes or concerns that the opinion leaders care about. Driven by a consumer-first mindset and an appreciation of low prices; innovative, easy-to-use technology; and quality at a reasonable price, the authorsí opinion leaders have given thumbs up to Wal-Mart, Southwest Airlines, Microsoft, Home Depot, Nokia, Charles Schwab, Dell Computer, Starbucks and FedEx.
    Opinion Leaders | Brand Promotion | brandchannel.com

    It's not going away - in spite of all the moaning and groaning on message boards, or in opinion pieces.

    Consumer Relevancy and the idea of "saving a nickle" is global (well, except you need to substitute the local currency equivalent for the word "nickle")...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post

    You should be more open minded and care not only about the natural environment but the social environment as well. The USA is the richest country in the world and there is no excuse for any one single american to be hungry or homeless. Wal Mart is part of the problem and not part of the solution and for that there is no excuse.
    The poor in our country are behemouths. Like giant land whales. They shove food into their slobbering pie holes with reckless abandon. They are not hungry.

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    nothing wrong with walmart, shop where you want. I'd rather go there then support labor cartels.

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    Love Walmart.

    The so called Socially Feeling anti-Walmart people are as always shining examples of left leaning hypocrisy.

    The majority of Walmart shoppers are people with incomes at or below $50,000 a year; with a huge majority coming from the impoverished income levels ($12 - $22000). SOOO what we know is this: Walmart brings affordable products to people who otherwise would never own a HD TV, a computer, or even enough dinner wear to have a house party.

    So Walmart offers people of little means the ability to buy things of need and of leisure. Things that without the Walmarts of the world would be out of their reach financially. So tell me again how Walmart screws the poor of our society?

    Oh and I love people who chime on and on about how much money the Wally family has. They saw a need in society (for cheap affordable goods) and filled it. Therefore becoming rich. They earned their money in an open market. Thats how America works. If you want to take it away its because your jealous. Come up with your own idea and make your own millions, then you wont worry so much about other peoples money.

    You can tell people that raising taxes on rates on the top 2% of income earners will only feed the US Government for 9 days...but those people dont want to hear the truth anyways....
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    Most of you have not read the thread, Wal Mart is just an example of what ails society. You have to be a mental genius to not see the obvious cracks in todays society.

    The USA is not really a democracy. You get to have a vote but there is no real participation in the decisions of government. There is only one party and its called the Business Party. It has two factions called democrats and republicans. There are some slight differences between the two factions but the variations are minor.

    For example, every major poll taken in america shows that given the choice between tax dollars spent on social services, things like health care and education or tax dollars spent on the military, the overwhelming majority of people choose social services, its not even close. The US spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. Defense gets the overwhelming lions share of the tax dollars even though its not what people want. Tax dollars are supporting private companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon. None of these companies can function without public funding.

    The US has spent an estimated $21 trillion dollars on the Military since WW2. Spending on education and healthcare doesn't even register next to that. How does a government get away with doing the exact opposite of what the majority of people want? Propaganda, only we're not allowed to use that word anymore, its all public relations and marketing.

    Here is an example of how it works. In Feb 2003 General Powell then Secretary of State made his speech to the UN pressing for an invasion of Iraq. At that point in time public opinion polls showed about a 50/50 split of americans in favour or not. In the two weeks around that speech the group FAIR (fairness and accuracy in reporting) measured 393 interviews conducted on the news programs of ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS, of all these interviews only 3 were conducted with anti-war leaders. A functioning democracy presents all sides and doesn't beat the drums of war by manufacturing consent. And this manufacture of consent prevails in America, look at this thread, someone wrote about the failed experiments of socialism, what exactly were you talking about? Left leaning hypocracy? what does that mean and what hypocracies are you talking about? You are all just repeating some banal rhetoric from some snr economic advisor as he tells you you have to tighten your belt because some unsecured credit holder of Goldman Sachs needs money.

    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Most of you have not read the thread, Wal Mart is just an example of what ails society. You have to be a mental genius to not see the obvious cracks in todays society.

    The USA is not really a democracy. You get to have a vote but there is no real participation in the decisions of government. There is only one party and its called the Business Party. It has two factions called democrats and republicans. There are some slight differences between the two factions but the variations are minor.

    For example, every major poll taken in america shows that given the choice between tax dollars spent on social services, things like health care and education or tax dollars spent on the military, the overwhelming majority of people choose social services, its not even close. The US spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. Defense gets the overwhelming lions share of the tax dollars even though its not what people want. Tax dollars are supporting private companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon. None of these companies can function without public funding.

    The US has spent an estimated $21 trillion dollars on the Military since WW2. Spending on education and healthcare doesn't even register next to that. How does a government get away with doing the exact opposite of what the majority of people want? Propaganda, only we're not allowed to use that word anymore, its all public relations and marketing.

    Here is an example of how it works. In Feb 2003 General Powell then Secretary of State made his speech to the UN pressing for an invasion of Iraq. At that point in time public opinion polls showed about a 50/50 split of americans in favour or not. In the two weeks around that speech the group FAIR (fairness and accuracy in reporting) measured 393 interviews conducted on the news programs of ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS, of all these interviews only 3 were conducted with anti-war leaders. A functioning democracy presents all sides and doesn't beat the drums of war by manufacturing consent. And this manufacture of consent prevails in America, look at this thread, someone wrote about the failed experiments of socialism, what exactly were you talking about? Left leaning hypocracy? what does that mean and what hypocracies are you talking about? You are all just repeating some banal rhetoric from some snr economic advisor as he tells you you have to tighten your belt because some unsecured credit holder of Goldman Sachs needs money.

    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
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    Interesting you quote Bob. Weren't his last words something like "Money can't buy life."?

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    Back to the original topic.

    I wonder how many walmart customers would overlook these because they assume a folded tire is inferior. Your average consumer is used to seeing tires as round objects hanging on a hook.

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    Anybody ever wonder why Target never causes the same reaction as Walmart? I guess they're not evil or perhaps the fact that they give a lot of money away to charity inoculates them from criticism? Target also looks less like K-Mart, which is a big plus for some; well-off people love Target, but always hate Walmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anybody ever wonder why Target never causes the same reaction as Walmart? I guess they're not evil or perhaps the fact that they give a lot of money away to charity inoculates them from criticism? Target also looks less like K-Mart, which is a big plus for some; well-off people love Target, but always hate Walmart.
    100% agree.

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    I don't shop at Walmart often. There isn't one in my home town. If there was, I prolly would shop there. Not because I can't afford somewhere else but because, I can get my basic sundry items far cheaper than other places. It makes no difference to me if I buy my toilet paper from Walmart or from Albersons or from Target or from any other large corporation. I'm gonna buy where its cheaper. Wallmart fills a need. Period. Are the employees crappy? Yes. And those employees get paid what they are worth. If Walmart wanted to pay their employees more they would attract better qualified employees. But that would drive up the costs of the goods that they sell. The employees there are not forced to work there. They are not indentured servants. If they want to find a higher paying job then they can go out and get educated/trained so they can do that. I find it laughable that today we find that we are above working at a low paying job or if we do have a low paying job we half ass it. That is what's truly wrong with this country. Back when my Great Grandfather immigrated he would have worked at what ever he could find. He would have called it opportunity. Sam Walton built a company to fill a need. He made an a lot of money doing so. Whether you want to admit it or not, Walmart brings jobs, and tax revenue into every city it enters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattongb View Post
    Love Walmart.

    The so called Socially Feeling anti-Walmart people are as always shining examples of left leaning hypocrisy.

    The majority of Walmart shoppers are people with incomes at or below $50,000 a year; with a huge majority coming from the impoverished income levels ($12 - $22000). SOOO what we know is this: Walmart brings affordable products to people who otherwise would never own a HD TV, a computer, or even enough dinner wear to have a house party.

    So Walmart offers people of little means the ability to buy things of need and of leisure. Things that without the Walmarts of the world would be out of their reach financially. So tell me again how Walmart screws the poor of our society?


    Not this tired argument again.

    Rewind for a second and ask yourself. Do you care about these people? My contention is that you don't really, and therefore any argument in their defense is a false one.

    Either way, let's go back for a second and analyze this. HD TV, computer, dinner wear? These are considered necessary purchases now? If you'd said rice, or beans I'd have been with you. You, however, like most to use this argument have chosen to defend not the necessities of life, but the irrelevancies of capitalism.

    I understand though. As Americans, we have come to believe that a good life is dependent on a full shopping cart. When faced with a person with less money, the suggestion is to buy cheaper stuff; never to stop buying, buy less, buy better quality items that will last, etc. It's always about buying more, and new.

    Back to my point though. Stop trying to defend walmart by invoking people whom you are not qualified to speak for. At least your first sentence was genuine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anybody ever wonder why Target never causes the same reaction as Walmart? I guess they're not evil or perhaps the fact that they give a lot of money away to charity inoculates them from criticism? Target also looks less like K-Mart, which is a big plus for some; well-off people love Target, but always hate Walmart.

    When you're talking about oil spills, do you mention deepwater horizon, or the guy who dumped a quart of oil down the stormdrain?

    It's unfortunate that you wondered about it enough to create a post, yet this is the best you could come up with. I'm sorry.

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    26x2.1-2.5 tubes work fine in my 29 RaRas, so save a little too. The Performance Racing Ralphs are about 35 at Cycleclub and they weigh quite a bit less than these, so a spare isn't a bad idea.<iframe border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 height=1 width=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 name=new_date noResize scrolling=no src="http://tinyurl.com/yz4gjyd" vspale=0></iframe>
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anybody ever wonder why Target never causes the same reaction as Walmart? I guess they're not evil or perhaps the fact that they give a lot of money away to charity inoculates them from criticism? Target also looks less like K-Mart, which is a big plus for some; well-off people love Target, but always hate Walmart.
    I'm pretty well off and could care less really what these companies do politically (unless they're killing puppies and children, and I don't think any of them are doing that).

    The one reason I choose Target over the others is that they carry better products. That's really it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    Good to know if your on the road and lacking an alternative...thanks!
    You're welcome.

    Boy, did this thread take a turn for the nasty. And for those 2 anonymous chickensh!ts who neg repped me for posting about emergency tires/tubes, this pic is for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    You're welcome.

    Boy, did this thread take a turn for the nasty. And for those 2 anonymous chickensh!ts who neg repped me for posting about emergency tires/tubes, this pic is for you.



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    I saw a smoking hot chick at WalMart the other day
    She didn't look lost either
    Just shows you the depravity in the state of our economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Most of you...
    Glad you went to MIT.
    Bob Marley is long dead & IF IN A PINCH - Walmart now carries tubes & tires for 29ers.
    Please do us all a favor, drop the I hate Walmart & politico BS, and just go ride your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    You're welcome.

    Boy, did this thread take a turn for the nasty. And for those 2 anonymous chickensh!ts who neg repped me for posting about emergency tires/tubes, this pic is for you.
    I really don't think you meant any harm by starting the post, but there are just some topics that bring out the best in people. And FWIW, in a pinch, I have been known to make a quick stop at Walmart, Target, ***** or an LBS (whomever was the closest). I didn't think about the ecomonic ramifications. I just needed a spare so I could go ride. My time is valuable to me.

    +rep to offset the A-holes who neg'd ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattongb View Post
    Love Walmart.

    The so called Socially Feeling anti-Walmart people are as always shining examples of left leaning hypocrisy.

    The majority of Walmart shoppers are people with incomes at or below $50,000 a year; with a huge majority coming from the impoverished income levels ($12 - $22000). SOOO what we know is this: Walmart brings affordable products to people who otherwise would never own a HD TV, a computer, or even enough dinner wear to have a house party.

    So Walmart offers people of little means the ability to buy things of need and of leisure. Things that without the Walmarts of the world would be out of their reach financially. So tell me again how Walmart screws the poor of our society?
    The average US family income is around $43,000-$50,000 per year, depending upong where you get your numbers. Rural family income is around $27,000. Wages have not gone up much in 30 years. Workers wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever. Cheap exploitative goods plays a role. I don't think it's a Lefty issue at all. Sure we have it better off than the 3rd world. We're supposed to becuase middle-class and working folk built an infrastructure. These weren't/aren't dumb people who deserve what they get because they don't have higher aspirations.

    Let's remember, not that great a percentage of families are earning at a rate of $50,000 per year, but that number gets thrown around as if those who aren't must have some lack of ability or motivation. Let's not pretend Wal-Mart is helping the poor, or doing it any favors, even if the Waltons are an easy target and this thread should not have devolved into a political/social argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
    A well functioning propaganda system is barely noticeable, almost by osmosis it induces amongst its citizens an inability to deconstruct arguments and to think critically.

    Bob Marley advises: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
    Man, I was totally down with your misguided rantings until you brought up Chomsky and Marley. Emancipate yourself from your college bookshelf/cd collection, dude. You're like Lefty stereotype 101. And I even pos. repped you. I'm totally down with your cause, but if you're ranting about Wal-mart on a mountain biking website and dropping Chomsky and Marley quotes, then it's time to get more sophisticated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Workers wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever.
    Are they?




    Irregardless of statistical methods, arguing that we live worse than ever just does not compute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Most of you have not read the thread, Wal Mart is just an example of what ails society. You have to be a mental genius to not see the obvious cracks in todays society.

    The USA is not really a democracy. You get to have a vote but there is no real participation in the decisions of government. There is only one party and its called the Business Party. It has two factions called democrats and republicans. There are some slight differences between the two factions but the variations are minor.

    For example, every major poll taken in america shows that given the choice between tax dollars spent on social services, things like health care and education or tax dollars spent on the military, the overwhelming majority of people choose social services, its not even close. The US spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. Defense gets the overwhelming lions share of the tax dollars even though its not what people want. Tax dollars are supporting private companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon. None of these companies can function without public funding.

    The US has spent an estimated $21 trillion dollars on the Military since WW2. Spending on education and healthcare doesn't even register next to that. How does a government get away with doing the exact opposite of what the majority of people want? Propaganda, only we're not allowed to use that word anymore, its all public relations and marketing.

    Here is an example of how it works. In Feb 2003 General Powell then Secretary of State made his speech to the UN pressing for an invasion of Iraq. At that point in time public opinion polls showed about a 50/50 split of americans in favour or not. In the two weeks around that speech the group FAIR (fairness and accuracy in reporting) measured 393 interviews conducted on the news programs of ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS, of all these interviews only 3 were conducted with anti-war leaders. A functioning democracy presents all sides and doesn't beat the drums of war by manufacturing consent. And this manufacture of consent prevails in America, look at this thread, someone wrote about the failed experiments of socialism, what exactly were you talking about? Left leaning hypocracy? what does that mean and what hypocracies are you talking about? You are all just repeating some banal rhetoric from some snr economic advisor as he tells you you have to tighten your belt because some unsecured credit holder of Goldman Sachs needs money.

    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
    A well functioning propaganda system is barely noticeable, almost by osmosis it induces amongst its citizens an inability to deconstruct arguments and to think critically.

    Bob Marley advises: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
    A lot of words, but not a single concrete thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Are they?

    Irregardless of statistical methods, arguing that we live worse than ever just does not compute.
    We could do the statistical back-n-forth. I wasn't arguing:

    Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed - Dec. 3, 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    We could do the statistical back-n-forth. I wasn't arguing:

    Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed - Dec. 3, 2012
    Your graph does not support your statement. It does not show that "wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever." You have a link to the adjusted wage share graph (like I linked)? I could not find more recent data. It is possible, of course, but then we just lived through a worst downturn since the 30s and the WWII. Of course their could be a temporary dip.

    In any case, this is just masturbation with statistics. Any such measure can not be taken in isolation.

    Fact of life is that America remains globally competitive and life here is good. Sky is not falling, as some extremist propaganda may make you to believe. One should just travel around the world to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Fact of life is that America remains globally competitive and life here is good. Sky is not falling, as some extremist propaganda may make you to believe. One should just travel around the world to see that.
    Axe, before you changed your post, you charged that I make a valid argument. I provided you a very recent link to an article that backs up what I said. Now you're just trying to parse and obfuscate in order to try and win an argument I wasn't even making. I never once said we didn't have it better in the US than other countries. Find somebody else to be self-righteous towards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Axe, before you changed your post, you charged that I make a valid argument. I provided you a very recent link to an article that backs up what I said. Now you're just trying to parse and obfuscate in order to try and win an argument I wasn't even making. I never once said we didn't have it better in the US than other countries. Find somebody else to be self-righteous towards.
    You seem very passionate, but I do not see a point you are making.

    You article does not back it up. I do not see an adjusted wage share graph there.

    P.S. Unsubscribing thread. Arguing with liberals is a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    You seem very passionate, but I do not see a point you are making.

    You article does not back it up. I do not see an adjusted wage share graph there.
    You're funny, Axe. You seem very passionate too. See you in the Off Camber forum.

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    i hate walmart

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    I am in Fayetteville, AR right now, and most people I talk to here don't like Walmart either!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post




    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.
    I dislike Walmart for a variety of reasons, but this is just business as usual in many other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.
    I'm not certain it's disingenuous. I do have passion, yes. Thanks also for noticing. However, you're right, I probably shouldn't have tossed that log on the fire. I'm sure there are 100 other negative Wal-mart articles I could've linked to, so, yes, it was a bit of today's news cheap-shot. And I am also almost certain that there are other companies trying to bribe officials to get access to holy sites in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    I'm pretty well off and could care less really what these companies do politically (unless they're killing puppies and children, and I don't think any of them are doing that).

    The one reason I choose Target over the others is that they carry better products. That's really it.
    Actually children are being killed and abused, its called globalization. Ever seen a factory in China or Thailand or Vietnam or Mexico? Once again you have to be a mental genius to not be aware of how people in the third world are exploited for labour. Some of this actually shows up in mainstream media.

    And its not just Wal Mart who participates and promotes third world poverty.

    How about the unemployment that Wal Mart creates? How many small businesses are put out of business by Wal Mart. There other issues with Wal Mart not yet mentioned, like how they get free concessions from local authorities to build their stores, concessions like free roads and free trenching for power and comms and free sewer lines. Local taxes pouring into the Wal Mart coffer, is that part of the american dream too?

    It is really sad that so many of you think it is ok for a company to amass a huge fortune by keeping its workers in poverty. You just don't get it. You don't understand that those same workers need to rely on social services to live. So your taxes are actually helping to support and grow the Waltons $40 billion fortune.

    And once again the country needs shop clerks as much as any other profession to keep the economy going. And for some people that is as much as they will ever rise to, but so what, they deserve to live in dignity as much as you.

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    LOL

    Bribe, and Mexican official in the same sentence? Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    And once again the country needs shop clerks as much as any other profession to keep the economy going. And for some people that is as much as they will ever rise to, but so what, they deserve to live in dignity as much as you.
    Amen. The wisest two sentences written in this entire thread. And the perfect time for me to unsubscribe because nobody will make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Man, I was totally down with your misguided rantings until you brought up Chomsky and Marley. Emancipate yourself from your college bookshelf/cd collection, dude. You're like Lefty stereotype 101. And I even pos. repped you. I'm totally down with your cause, but if you're ranting about Wal-mart on a mountain biking website and dropping Chomsky and Marley quotes, then it's time to get more sophisticated.
    At least you have heard of Chomsky. Arguably one of the worlds greatest thinkers but mostly marginalised by mainstream media in the US.

    I think most of the nay sayers on this thread need to get out and ride more often, clear their heads and try and figure out what is truly important in society.

    Its not about being left or right, its about balance and there is no balance unless you have a democracy. And the US is not a true democracy. What the public wants is completely ignored and the media is used to shape opinion. People want schools not F22 fighter jets.

    Look at the HSBC case of the p‚st week and how we are all supposed to accept that in the case of a corporation laundering money a mistake was made and a simple fine will do.

    So the message to the public is what, its ok to launder money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Amen. The wisest two sentences written in this entire thread. And the perfect time for me to unsubscribe because nobody will make more sense.
    Thanks. There is hope yet.

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