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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    Good to know if your on the road and lacking an alternative...thanks!
    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    You're welcome.

    Boy, did this thread take a turn for the nasty. And for those 2 anonymous chickensh!ts who neg repped me for posting about emergency tires/tubes, this pic is for you.



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    I saw a smoking hot chick at WalMart the other day
    She didn't look lost either
    Just shows you the depravity in the state of our economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Most of you...
    Glad you went to MIT.
    Bob Marley is long dead & IF IN A PINCH - Walmart now carries tubes & tires for 29ers.
    Please do us all a favor, drop the I hate Walmart & politico BS, and just go ride your bike.
    The best is the one you want to ride most often..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    You're welcome.

    Boy, did this thread take a turn for the nasty. And for those 2 anonymous chickensh!ts who neg repped me for posting about emergency tires/tubes, this pic is for you.
    I really don't think you meant any harm by starting the post, but there are just some topics that bring out the best in people. And FWIW, in a pinch, I have been known to make a quick stop at Walmart, Target, ***** or an LBS (whomever was the closest). I didn't think about the ecomonic ramifications. I just needed a spare so I could go ride. My time is valuable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattongb View Post
    Love Walmart.

    The so called Socially Feeling anti-Walmart people are as always shining examples of left leaning hypocrisy.

    The majority of Walmart shoppers are people with incomes at or below $50,000 a year; with a huge majority coming from the impoverished income levels ($12 - $22000). SOOO what we know is this: Walmart brings affordable products to people who otherwise would never own a HD TV, a computer, or even enough dinner wear to have a house party.

    So Walmart offers people of little means the ability to buy things of need and of leisure. Things that without the Walmarts of the world would be out of their reach financially. So tell me again how Walmart screws the poor of our society?
    The average US family income is around $43,000-$50,000 per year, depending upong where you get your numbers. Rural family income is around $27,000. Wages have not gone up much in 30 years. Workers wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever. Cheap exploitative goods plays a role. I don't think it's a Lefty issue at all. Sure we have it better off than the 3rd world. We're supposed to becuase middle-class and working folk built an infrastructure. These weren't/aren't dumb people who deserve what they get because they don't have higher aspirations.

    Let's remember, not that great a percentage of families are earning at a rate of $50,000 per year, but that number gets thrown around as if those who aren't must have some lack of ability or motivation. Let's not pretend Wal-Mart is helping the poor, or doing it any favors, even if the Waltons are an easy target and this thread should not have devolved into a political/social argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
    A well functioning propaganda system is barely noticeable, almost by osmosis it induces amongst its citizens an inability to deconstruct arguments and to think critically.

    Bob Marley advises: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
    Man, I was totally down with your misguided rantings until you brought up Chomsky and Marley. Emancipate yourself from your college bookshelf/cd collection, dude. You're like Lefty stereotype 101. And I even pos. repped you. I'm totally down with your cause, but if you're ranting about Wal-mart on a mountain biking website and dropping Chomsky and Marley quotes, then it's time to get more sophisticated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Workers wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever.
    Are they?




    Irregardless of statistical methods, arguing that we live worse than ever just does not compute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Most of you have not read the thread, Wal Mart is just an example of what ails society. You have to be a mental genius to not see the obvious cracks in todays society.

    The USA is not really a democracy. You get to have a vote but there is no real participation in the decisions of government. There is only one party and its called the Business Party. It has two factions called democrats and republicans. There are some slight differences between the two factions but the variations are minor.

    For example, every major poll taken in america shows that given the choice between tax dollars spent on social services, things like health care and education or tax dollars spent on the military, the overwhelming majority of people choose social services, its not even close. The US spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. Defense gets the overwhelming lions share of the tax dollars even though its not what people want. Tax dollars are supporting private companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon. None of these companies can function without public funding.

    The US has spent an estimated $21 trillion dollars on the Military since WW2. Spending on education and healthcare doesn't even register next to that. How does a government get away with doing the exact opposite of what the majority of people want? Propaganda, only we're not allowed to use that word anymore, its all public relations and marketing.

    Here is an example of how it works. In Feb 2003 General Powell then Secretary of State made his speech to the UN pressing for an invasion of Iraq. At that point in time public opinion polls showed about a 50/50 split of americans in favour or not. In the two weeks around that speech the group FAIR (fairness and accuracy in reporting) measured 393 interviews conducted on the news programs of ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS, of all these interviews only 3 were conducted with anti-war leaders. A functioning democracy presents all sides and doesn't beat the drums of war by manufacturing consent. And this manufacture of consent prevails in America, look at this thread, someone wrote about the failed experiments of socialism, what exactly were you talking about? Left leaning hypocracy? what does that mean and what hypocracies are you talking about? You are all just repeating some banal rhetoric from some snr economic advisor as he tells you you have to tighten your belt because some unsecured credit holder of Goldman Sachs needs money.

    MIT professor Noam Chomsky writes:
    A well functioning propaganda system is barely noticeable, almost by osmosis it induces amongst its citizens an inability to deconstruct arguments and to think critically.

    Bob Marley advises: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
    A lot of words, but not a single concrete thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Are they?

    Irregardless of statistical methods, arguing that we live worse than ever just does not compute.
    We could do the statistical back-n-forth. I wasn't arguing:

    Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed - Dec. 3, 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    We could do the statistical back-n-forth. I wasn't arguing:

    Corporate profits hit record as wages get squeezed - Dec. 3, 2012
    Your graph does not support your statement. It does not show that "wages are at the lowest percentage of GDP since, like, forever." You have a link to the adjusted wage share graph (like I linked)? I could not find more recent data. It is possible, of course, but then we just lived through a worst downturn since the 30s and the WWII. Of course their could be a temporary dip.

    In any case, this is just masturbation with statistics. Any such measure can not be taken in isolation.

    Fact of life is that America remains globally competitive and life here is good. Sky is not falling, as some extremist propaganda may make you to believe. One should just travel around the world to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Fact of life is that America remains globally competitive and life here is good. Sky is not falling, as some extremist propaganda may make you to believe. One should just travel around the world to see that.
    Axe, before you changed your post, you charged that I make a valid argument. I provided you a very recent link to an article that backs up what I said. Now you're just trying to parse and obfuscate in order to try and win an argument I wasn't even making. I never once said we didn't have it better in the US than other countries. Find somebody else to be self-righteous towards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Axe, before you changed your post, you charged that I make a valid argument. I provided you a very recent link to an article that backs up what I said. Now you're just trying to parse and obfuscate in order to try and win an argument I wasn't even making. I never once said we didn't have it better in the US than other countries. Find somebody else to be self-righteous towards.
    You seem very passionate, but I do not see a point you are making.

    You article does not back it up. I do not see an adjusted wage share graph there.

    P.S. Unsubscribing thread. Arguing with liberals is a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    You seem very passionate, but I do not see a point you are making.

    You article does not back it up. I do not see an adjusted wage share graph there.
    You're funny, Axe. You seem very passionate too. See you in the Off Camber forum.
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    i hate walmart

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    I am in Fayetteville, AR right now, and most people I talk to here don't like Walmart either!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post




    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.
    I dislike Walmart for a variety of reasons, but this is just business as usual in many other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I am most certain that walmart is not the only company to engage in the practice in Mexico. It is S.O.P. to get anything done in that country. While I can appreciate your passion posting a link like that is highly disingenuous.
    I'm not certain it's disingenuous. I do have passion, yes. Thanks also for noticing. However, you're right, I probably shouldn't have tossed that log on the fire. I'm sure there are 100 other negative Wal-mart articles I could've linked to, so, yes, it was a bit of today's news cheap-shot. And I am also almost certain that there are other companies trying to bribe officials to get access to holy sites in Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stencil View Post
    I'm pretty well off and could care less really what these companies do politically (unless they're killing puppies and children, and I don't think any of them are doing that).

    The one reason I choose Target over the others is that they carry better products. That's really it.
    Actually children are being killed and abused, its called globalization. Ever seen a factory in China or Thailand or Vietnam or Mexico? Once again you have to be a mental genius to not be aware of how people in the third world are exploited for labour. Some of this actually shows up in mainstream media.

    And its not just Wal Mart who participates and promotes third world poverty.

    How about the unemployment that Wal Mart creates? How many small businesses are put out of business by Wal Mart. There other issues with Wal Mart not yet mentioned, like how they get free concessions from local authorities to build their stores, concessions like free roads and free trenching for power and comms and free sewer lines. Local taxes pouring into the Wal Mart coffer, is that part of the american dream too?

    It is really sad that so many of you think it is ok for a company to amass a huge fortune by keeping its workers in poverty. You just don't get it. You don't understand that those same workers need to rely on social services to live. So your taxes are actually helping to support and grow the Waltons $40 billion fortune.

    And once again the country needs shop clerks as much as any other profession to keep the economy going. And for some people that is as much as they will ever rise to, but so what, they deserve to live in dignity as much as you.

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    LOL

    Bribe, and Mexican official in the same sentence? Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    And once again the country needs shop clerks as much as any other profession to keep the economy going. And for some people that is as much as they will ever rise to, but so what, they deserve to live in dignity as much as you.
    Amen. The wisest two sentences written in this entire thread. And the perfect time for me to unsubscribe because nobody will make more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Man, I was totally down with your misguided rantings until you brought up Chomsky and Marley. Emancipate yourself from your college bookshelf/cd collection, dude. You're like Lefty stereotype 101. And I even pos. repped you. I'm totally down with your cause, but if you're ranting about Wal-mart on a mountain biking website and dropping Chomsky and Marley quotes, then it's time to get more sophisticated.
    At least you have heard of Chomsky. Arguably one of the worlds greatest thinkers but mostly marginalised by mainstream media in the US.

    I think most of the nay sayers on this thread need to get out and ride more often, clear their heads and try and figure out what is truly important in society.

    Its not about being left or right, its about balance and there is no balance unless you have a democracy. And the US is not a true democracy. What the public wants is completely ignored and the media is used to shape opinion. People want schools not F22 fighter jets.

    Look at the HSBC case of the pÔst week and how we are all supposed to accept that in the case of a corporation laundering money a mistake was made and a simple fine will do.

    So the message to the public is what, its ok to launder money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Amen. The wisest two sentences written in this entire thread. And the perfect time for me to unsubscribe because nobody will make more sense.
    Thanks. There is hope yet.

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