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    Upset Say no to headphones...

    So thanks to a headphoned jackass last night I'm going to have to be off my bike for a little while.

    I was riding down a hill on a trail that winds pretty tightly through the trees. It's a great spot to haul ass because the corners flow well with eachother and have burms on the outside of them. As I round the first corner I notice another cyclist stopped on the side of the trail. I'm pretty close when I notice him there and I don't want to lock up the brakes and tear the trail up so I shout "coming up behind you!! On your left!" in hopes that he wouldn't pull out in front of me. Well...he did pull out right as I was like 10ft away from him. I swerved to avoid piling into his back at 20mph and the left side of my handlebars hit a tree and then my shoulder hit, stopping me completely. I would have been thrown off the bike but the way I was standing when I impacted the tree sent the nose of my seat straight up my ass

    Right after the impact the dude that I swerved to miss pops his headphones out says he's sorry and rides off. I was in the worst pain of my life at that moment. It wasn't my hand or wrist which made direct impact with the tree, it wasn't my shoulder that made direct impact with the tree. It was my freaking @sshole. I was positive that the seat had torn it from the amount of pain I was experiencing. The pain was so intense that I actually started dry heaving because of it. After about 5 minutes the pain in my ass subsided. I gathered my stuff and got back on my bike. But there was another problem, I couldn't grip the handlebars with my left hand (impact side). I took it easy all the way back to the truck most of the time riding one handed.

    This morning I can't even grip a glass of water with my left hand and my wrist is so stiff and in so much pain I can't even turn a freaking doorknob. Off to the doc I guess. This is gonna go over real well with my unit (I'm in the Army) since I'm already in physical therapy for a knee injury that happened because of my last spill on the bike.
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    Yeah, I have never understood why people would cut off one of their senses while riding...?

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    What an F'n arsehole. He didn't even stop to see if you were ok or to help you up? Man, I hope I never find myself in that situation. Get better.
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    sorry about your crash man,that suck's

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    Ouch. Maybe you should've plowed straight into his back so he could break your fall. That's ridiculous just riding off with a quick 'sorry'.

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    Dang. Sorry to hear.

    When ever I see someone put earphones on before we head out in to the trails, I always let them know that it's not good practice to wear them on the trails.

    Hope your injuries are not too serious.

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    man that sounds like a real pita.
    should of smashed into him.
    headphones on the trail is just dumb
    its just like tards driving on the road, you swerve out of the way and they dont know how retarded they are and just go on the Merrily way

    heal up quick

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    man...this is not gonna be a popular opinion....

    but it's your fault you crashed - not his.
    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam
    ...so I shout "coming up behind you!! On your left!" in hopes that he wouldn't pull out in front of me. Well...he did pull out right as I was like 10ft away from him...
    although it would have been nice for him to hang around and see if you needed help...

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    I don't think headphones were the problem in this instance, it was the dummy wearing them.If someone speeding in a Ferrari runs over your dog, it's not the Ferrari's fault. I pretty much ride exclusively with headphones, I love music. But I'm also well aware of surroundings. I live in the desert too, which helps because I can usually see any other trail users well ahead of time (most often before I COULD hear them).

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    That guy is a douch for taking off. Sucks to crash badly. Hope you get better soon. If it makes you feel better, blame someone else.
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    There are helmet ear flaps that you can insert ear buds into, that allow ambient sound and music to be heard together. $10-$20.

    Otherwise, yea... riding with headphones is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I don't think headphones were the problem in this instance, it was the dummy wearing them.If someone speeding in a Ferrari runs over your dog, it's not the Ferrari's fault. I pretty much ride exclusively with headphones, I love music. But I'm also well aware of surroundings. I live in the desert too, which helps because I can usually see any other trail users well ahead of time (most often before I COULD hear them).

    Do you drive with the radio on?
    the music isnt the issue IMO its the noise isolating headphones that are, they are made so you cant hear anything besides the music. Standard ipod headphones you can still hear everything at the right volume, but most people are ignorant and just jack it up to 11.

    music and headphones are okay, if the user is smart about it.

    i had an experience with a guy fixing his skewer or something with his bose headphones in on a narrow path. i saw him so i stopped and waited for like 30sec (instead of saying MOVE B**ch) and he looked back and i scared the crap out of him, which i thought was hilarious and was my point. i didnt say anything and he probably didnt realize he couldnt hear anything, but he said sorry and moved.

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    Nothing wrong with riding with headphones. Hope your cornhole heals up
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    Some of our local trails actually have notices at many of the trail heads not to listen to music while on the trails (multi use trails). Some Aholes still do it.

    You just can't ride and listen to music, whether on a trail or the road.
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    Listening to music is different than wearing headphones, for the same reason that's it's legal to drive a car with the radio on, but illegal to drive one with headphones on.

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    Im not opposed to headsets but he should have been smart enough to look back before he took off, knowing he couldnt hear. But I would have hit him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    man...this is not gonna be a popular opinion....

    but it's your fault you crashed - not his.


    although it would have been nice for him to hang around and see if you needed help...

    hope your behyman is still intact....
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    I sometimes ride with earphones on, but never on the trails or anywhere else where I cannot see or heard people (car traffic, bike path, etc). And when I do, I only put music with constant, low frequency beat, such as Black eyed peas, and very low volume, just to help the part of my brain which is not being used for driving, riding and judgement not to Saturday on idle and then get full concentration on the road and everything around me... Pretty
    Much like snowboarding athletes and else... But it's kinda rare that I use them. Pretty much only for training.

    But on the trails, I prefer listening to the sound of nature and the awesomeness if my bike flying down the hill

    But that guy suck. Even without earphones.

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    I have to agree with Chum. While I hope you heal quickly - the crash was your doing. You were assuming there would be nothing in your way and out rode your ability to stop. What if, instead of a biker on the side of the trail, it had a family with little kids and a dog? Or an old hard of hearing man walking down the hill? A pack of girl scouts? I don't know the trail you were on, but I've come across all the above riding down hills. When you go faster than your ability to see ahead, you put others at risk. Again, I hope you heal well - and I also hope you ride more safely next time. BTW - the guy you missed was an a-hole for taking off without offering assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    Can you explain how it was my fault?
    by your own words:
    "in hopes that he wouldn't pull out in front of me"

    you did not wait for eye contact, verbal confirmation...or him actually acknowledging your presence at all...

    replace "he was wearing headphones" with "he was deaf".

    would you still claim it was his fault if he was deaf?

    The result is the same - he didn't hear you and you proceeded at your own risk



    *yes, i do realize that being deaf is not a choice and wearing earphones is...but AFAIK headphones on trails are not illegal in your area.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasp4Air View Post
    I have to agree with Chum. While I hope you heal quickly - the crash was your doing. You were assuming there would be nothing in your way and out rode your ability to stop. What if, instead of a biker on the side of the trail, it had a family with little kids and a dog? Or an old hard of hearing man walking down the hill? A pack of girl scouts? I don't know the trail you were on, but I've come across all the above riding down hills. When you go faster than your ability to see ahead, you put others at risk. Again, I hope you heal well - and I also hope you ride more safely next time. BTW - the guy you missed was an a-hole for taking off without offering assistance.
    It's a newer trail that is pretty fast with some tech parts mixed in. In the past 3 months since it was built I've only encountered 4 other riders on it. So meeting up with a family walking with their dog, or an old man or girl scouts are pretty slim. On other trails that are more poplulated I definately go easy around corners because the chances of meeting another biker or runner are higher. But someone stopping on an obviously fast section of trail and not bother to pay attention to their surroundings before re-entering the trail seems like the cause here, not riding past the ability to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasp4Air View Post
    I have to agree with Chum. While I hope you heal quickly - the crash was your doing. You were assuming there would be nothing in your way and out rode your ability to stop. What if, instead of a biker on the side of the trail, it had a family with little kids and a dog? Or an old hard of hearing man walking down the hill? A pack of girl scouts? I don't know the trail you were on, but I've come across all the above riding down hills. When you go faster than your ability to see ahead, you put others at risk. Again, I hope you heal well - and I also hope you ride more safely next time. BTW - the guy you missed was an a-hole for taking off without offering assistance.
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    by your own words:
    "in hopes that he wouldn't pull out in front of me"

    you did not wait for eye contact, verbal confirmation...or him actually acknowledging your presence at all...

    replace "he was wearing headphones" with "he was deaf".

    would you still claim it was his fault if he was deaf?

    The result is the same - he didn't hear you and you preceded at your own risk



    *yes, i do realize that being deaf is not a choice and wearing earphones is...but AFAIK headphones on trails are not illegal in your area.*




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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    Can you explain how it was my fault?
    If you're passing someone stopped on the trail fast enough to injure yourself then, well....
    What if it was a hearing impaired rider (edit...like gaspforair said)? I know, it was a d o u c h e with earbuds, just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    /\ This, sorry about the crash but your actions resulted in an avoidable accident. My two pennies.
    So if you're driving down the road and come around a corner and someone lets say is distracted by their cell phone pulls out of their driveway in front of you it's your fault?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    It's a newer trail that is pretty fast with some tech parts mixed in. In the past 3 months since it was built I've only encountered 4 other riders on it. So meeting up with a family walking with their dog, or an old man or girl scouts are pretty slim. On other trails that are more poplulated I definately go easy around corners because the chances of meeting another biker or runner are higher. But someone stopping on an obviously fast section of trail and not bother to pay attention to their surroundings before re-entering the trail seems like the cause here, not riding past the ability to stop.
    Heal up....

    But in this case you are mostly at fault....he is also somewhat at fault....

    Him riding off is big time low end....

    Unless you specifically clear a trail....you basically have to be able to stop, for anything else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    So if you're driving down the road and come around a corner and someone lets say is distracted by their cell phone pulls out of their driveway in front of you it's your fault?
    Legally, no, but if you're hauling ass in a residential area and can't stop in time it would be something you could have avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    So if you're driving down the road and come around a corner and someone lets say is distracted by their cell phone pulls out of their driveway in front of you it's your fault?
    Depends but yes you are somewhat at fault...

    But rather than make it a court case....the better rule is everyone has to do their very best to avoid a collision...

    Since there is no speed limit, on a trail....you would likely be considered going to fast for conditions....ie narrow trail while passing someone.

    He of course wasn't paying attention.

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    I've not ridden with headphones yet. I have ridden with someone who was wearing them though. I see no real problem with it. Provided the person wearing the the headphones is paying attention to their surroundings.

    Granted the guy should have turned to look before he took off. Also he should have checked to make sure you were ok before he continued on his way. But also, you should have slowed down. I wouldn't imagine passing someone on a singletrack fast enough to cause pain the event of a crash would be a wise idea, even if he wasn't wearing headphones.

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    I ride probably one of the most congested bike trails to and from work everyday (Mt Vernon Trail through DC from just South of the Pentagon up to Arlington.

    From what you describe in your story - sorry to say - but it's your fault.

    Hauling ass around a blind corner, c'mon man. Running into someone from behind, totally uncool.

    We all know there are plenty of idiots out there, but ultimately only yourself can keep you from having a wreck.

    Headphones - sorry - don't agree with you there either. Wear mine all the time and have never had a problem hearing people.

    Hope you get well soon, but no sympathy here. Sounds like you would owe the guy who rode off an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott View Post
    ...Since there is no speed limit, on a trail...
    there is in the Bay Area (CA)....15 MPH

    and actually rangers who hide in bushes with radar guns in some places....

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    Personally I'd say the 'fault' is kinda equal. The OP should've slowed down since he saw and understood the potential for conflict. But the headphoned rider should have looked back before pulling out into the trail, especially since he had his sense of hearing limited. He is also a d!ck for just taking off.

    I don't wear headphones myself because part of the reason I'm out there is to enjoy nature, and the sounds are a big part of that experience.

    In any event, it sucks you might be off the bike for a while because of this. But after your bum heals it'll just be a funny story. (There's a joke about how you really love your bike in there somewhere.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    So if you're driving down the road and come around a corner and someone lets say is distracted by their cell phone pulls out of their driveway in front of you it's your fault?
    If you are speeding around a blind corner then yes you are. It's called "reasonable and prudent".

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    He was a jerk, however, you were riding out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brtrooper06 View Post
    Hauling ass around a blind corner, c'mon man. Running into someone from behind, totally uncool.
    I guess I should have been more specific. We met AFTER I came out of the corner on the straight right before the next corner.

    Also what I'm getting from these replies is that even though a trail is so obviously built to ride fast I should ride it slow so as to avoid guys that don't bother to pay attention to their surroundings. So when guys on here always say "get out there and ride hard" they really mean "get out there and ride slowly and carefully because idiots that live in their own little bubble always have the right of way." I'm confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by COTarHeel
    I don't wear headphones myself because part of the reason I'm out there is to enjoy nature, and the sounds are a big part of that experience.
    This. But I think that everyone should be responsible of their own safety. OP should had slow down and the dude should had checked if anyone was coming before engaging the trail. OP did good by at least trying to avoid collision with the guy, but should have slowness down anyway, since it's is reponsability to ensure everyone and it's own safety. If we would have to bring this in court, it could take months to determine wether or not the OP is responsible or it's the dude fault, since automobile regulation dies not always apply to the bike on trails the same way it does on public roads.

    But the OP will have learn a lesson the hard way and the other dude should get eaten by a bear he would not had hear coming from behind.

    So like someone once said : "It's cancelled out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I guess I should have been more specific. We met AFTER I came out of the corner on the straight right before the next corner.

    Also what I'm getting from these replies is that even though a trail is so obviously built to ride fast I should ride it slow so as to avoid guys that don't bother to pay attention to their surroundings. So when guys on here always say "get out there and ride hard" they really mean "get out there and ride slowly and carefully because idiots that live in their own little bubble always have the right of way." I'm confused
    No, but you should ride with control over your bike. You were out of control, and were not able to react fast enough to deal with the situation.

    edit: For example, replace that rider with just about anything imaginable. Rock... log... animal... someone with no headphones on... someone having a seizure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I guess I should have been more specific. We met AFTER I came out of the corner on the straight right before the next corner.

    Also what I'm getting from these replies is that even though a trail is so obviously built to ride fast I should ride it slow so as to avoid guys that don't bother to pay attention to their surroundings. So when guys on here always say "get out there and ride hard" they really mean "get out there and ride slowly and carefully because idiots that live in their own little bubble always have the right of way." I'm confused
    Don't be confused. Just slow down when passing someone who cannot be 100% aware of the action you are taking and slow down when passing stopped people or incoming people. Just basic logical stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    Also what I'm getting from these replies is that even though a trail is so obviously built to ride fast I should ride it slow so as to avoid guys that don't bother to pay attention to their surroundings. So when guys on here always say "get out there and ride hard" they really mean "get out there and ride slowly and carefully because idiots that live in their own little bubble always have the right of way." I'm confused
    No one is saying to slowly cruise the whole trail, but when you SEE another user then yes, you should check your speed to make sure you're in total control to avoid things just like this. For the sake of the safety of you and the other user, and for the sake of maintaining good relations between mountain bikers and trail authorities.

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    Where was "Crankout" when all this took place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I guess I should have been more specific. We met AFTER I came out of the corner on the straight right before the next corner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by COTarHeel View Post
    No one is saying to slowly cruise the whole trail, but when you SEE another user then yes, you should check your speed to make sure you're in total control to avoid things just like this. For the sake of the safety of you and the other user, and for the sake of maintaining good relations between mountain bikers and trail authorities.
    I've just never expected anyone to slow down because I was stopped on the side of the trail. For the most part nobody does, just a nod and they're on their way. But I do make sure to check and be sure nobody is coming before pulling back onto the trail and I guess I expected that everyone else would have the same sense. Lesson learned
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I've just never expected anyone to slow down because I was stopped on the side of the trail. For the most part nobody does, just a nod and they're on their way. But I do make sure to check and be sure nobody is coming before pulling back onto the trail and I guess I expected that everyone else would have the same sense. Lesson learned
    So now the butt hurt is gone ?
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    you saw him and should have been prepared to react to whatever dumb **** he may do... ie...slow the hell down. it's not as if he popped out from behind a tree and you hit him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    So now the butt hurt is gone ?
    The butt hurt has been gone. It's just my wrist now
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    That depends. Can you go fvck yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    The butt hurt has been gone. It's just my wrist now
    At least you still have one good hand to slap him behind the head next time you see him

    Or install a clown horn to scare the **** out of him next time
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    At least you still have one good hand to slap him behind the head next time you see him
    I have no reason to slap him. It was my fault remember
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    That depends. Can you go fvck yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I have no reason to slap him. It was my fault remember
    That's true, so get the clown horn going then
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    The kid sounds like a ******* for sure, but the crash was your fault. You awknowledged something that could have been a danger then chose NOT to get on the binders and do everything in your power to avoid the situation. Still should have used hill to break the fall instead of your seat. Why do you hate your rectum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    I've just never expected anyone to slow down because I was stopped on the side of the trail. For the most part nobody does, just a nod and they're on their way. But I do make sure to check and be sure nobody is coming before pulling back onto the trail and I guess I expected that everyone else would have the same sense. Lesson learned
    Unfortunately, expecting everyone else to operate with common sense can be a gamble, as you've learned... Now ice that wrist and get back on the trail!

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