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    Listen! Rep Power Request (please do not panic)

    *Disclaimer : This was written a few days ago (well, almost a week now), in a time where the forum was less likely peaceful then now, but I still have to post it anyway. /Disclaimer*

    Hi MTBR Community,

    This is an request to the MTBR forum owners concerning the Reputation system and his functions.

    I know that the forum of MTBR as more then 350 000 registered members, and 36 000 active members at the moment. Being able to establish a system of reward and trust by allowing each member to decide wether or not another member is valuable to the forum community is good, but many failures have been reported thought.

    For example, if a member ask a question in one of the forum, and another member respond to it and then solve the problem, a reward is greatly appreciated. It's a good way of saying thanks you for your time by adding to the member reputation, which is a social rank up in a extend.

    But then, people who spam the forum and give wrong answers on purpose to harm the community.

    ...etc, so you get the point, trolls still spreads around like they used to and they now have a great shield to protect them when insulting people with the current rep system.

    We then have the choice between 3 options in order to get this straight.

    1. Remove the rep system.

    2. Only allow positive rep to be given.

    3. Allow both negative and positive reputation to be given, but the name of the user giving reputation must be showed to the member receiving it or to all forum users.

    So now we have to choose the way we want to go.

    I propose we let the admins decide, then sanction their decision to be sure every one's happy then.

    I'm doing this to help the community. Please do not consider this request as anger or spam against the forum administration.

    Edit form the original text : Considering a very peaceful week about rep issue, I'm aware that some people might get this as a flame war being brought back. It isn't. I think now should be a great time to discuss about it, since most of us are now well aware of what they want and how it works. /edit

    Regards,

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    ugh.

    every user (including myself) can only rep an individual once every 100 reps given.

    also trolls do not have much rep power....and they don't last long here.

    new users have no rep to give (+ or -).


    To add - it's only an online forum...please do not take it personally unless it breaks MTBR's Forum Rules. If that happens please report the post and we will look into it.

    If there is a user you have a personality conflict with use your ignore feature...it really works.

    hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    ugh.

    every user (including myself) can only rep an individual once every 100 reps given.

    also trolls do not have much rep power....and they don't last long here.

    new users have no rep to give (+ or -).


    To add - it's only an online forum...please do not take it personally unless it breaks MTBR's Forum Rules. If that happens please report the post and we will look into it.

    If there is a user you have a personality conflict with use your ignore feature...it really works.

    hope this helps
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    Thanks for reply CHUM.

    As I said, times are very peaceful right now and I think you're all doing a great job keeping the trash out of the forum, congratulation on your work mods.

    And no, I do not have any problem at all with any members, and I was not posting this for myself, but for all of those who I come across in threads, still getting troubles with rep sometimes..

    I'm not talking about the loss of rep, but more about the possibility to simply insult someone, totally anonymously, and not having any ways to feel ok about it (mostly for really hot opinions and faith). It's like sending hate letters by mail to someone... But at least the forum can decide to shut down that malfunction and allow everyone to have a even better time here...

    CHUM, I know reputation is about the last of your concern, but with so much people around here, it would be a nice thing to consider those 3 options if anyone else makes the demand.

    Thanks,

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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    ...

    I'm not talking about the loss of rep, but more about the possibility to simply insult someone, totally anonymously, and not having any ways to feel ok about it (mostly for really hot opinions and faith). It's like sending hate letters by mail to someone.....
    this is where you should realize it's only an online forum.

    unless it breaks forum rules please do not take it personally. We can see who reps who and will investigate reported ugly/nasty/racist/violent insults and take the appropriate action.

    a user can only insult via rep comment 1 every 100 reps (with a max of 10 reps given per 24 hour period).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    this is where you should realize it's only an online forum.

    unless it breaks forum rules please do not take it personally. We can see who reps who and will investigate reported ugly/nasty/racist/violent insults and take the appropriate action.

    a user can only insult via rep comment 1 every 100 reps (with a max of 10 reps give per 24 hour period.
    Again, I'm not taking it personal... And you only need a few words to do damages... I guess that since you're a mod, not much happening on your side, and you're not the type of guy who is persecuted very much... but still.

    That's why I asked the community too to express themselves about it. If everyones is feeling ok with the current settings, then I'm happy. I just wanted to give everyone a chance to tell if they'd like to have something changed. If not, then it's very good.

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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I propose we let the admins decide, then sanction their decision to be sure every one's happy then.
    I think the admins have already decided. It is what it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    ..I guess that since you're a mod, not much happening on your side, and you're not the type of guy who is persecuted very much...

    i can't decide which is funnier...'not much happening'....or the 'not persecuted much' statement



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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post

    i can't decide which is funnier...'not much happening'....or the 'not persecuted much' statement



    What about King of the Green Bar being rejected by is fellow forums users ?
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    The rep system has keep me from sharing my opinions from time to time. I don't enjoy getting negative rep.
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    Once we start getting paid for the amount of rep we have, then we should care. Until then it's just a number and green boxes.

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    Just drop it already. Rep is not going away. It is what it is. I'd neg rep for beating a dead horse, but alas I cannot.

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    When we get 10 green chips we get a Phiten necklace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    When we get 10 green chips we get a Phiten necklace.
    Are we gonna make a drawing for a nice bike at the New year ?

    It would be nice to use those glowsticks for a good cause
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    I'm giving you all negative rep!

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    If it was not obvious in my previous posts I will try to be more clear.

    Forum Rules apply everywhere on MTBR - including the rep system.

    Trolling, insults, baiting, etc. will not be tolerated and will end in a Time Out or outright ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    If it was not obvious in my previous posts I will try to be more clear.

    Forum Rules apply everywhere on MTBR - including the rep system.

    Trolling, insults, baiting, etc. will not be tolerated and will end in a Time Out or outright ban.

    Thank You,
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    How about "persecution"?

    Tryin to get you that tenth chicklet so you too can reap the magical powers of the Phiten necklace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    I think the admins have already decided. It is what it is...
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    I laughed as a read this thread since most of the people writing about rep have 500 rep points and 46 green bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    I laughed as a read this thread since most of the people writing about rep have 500 rep points and 46 green bars.
    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post

    Trolling, insults, baiting, etc. will not be tolerated and will end in a Time Out or outright ban.

    Thank You,
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    How about wry asides, insouciance, and innuendo?
    I don't rattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    ... Being able to establish a system of reward and trust by allowing each member to decide whether or not another member is valuable to the forum community is good, but many failures have been reported thought.

    For example, if a member asks a question in one of the forum, and another member responds to it and then solves the problem, a reward is greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    How about wry asides, insouciance, and innuendo?
    asides yes,
    innuendos yes - as long as hot chicks are involved

    insouciances??? I have no idea what that is - so i say yes
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Excellent three. Definitely would read it again.........

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    May I suggest a duel system of postive rep points and negative rep points. I like the idea of negative rep points just to act as a flag for the those who are to immature to comment or participate on the forum.


    (On a side note can we get a WD-40 icon just to flag riders who use WD-40 on their bikes. This way we know whos comment to avoid on maintenance issues.)

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    Problem with giving negative rep, and having to post your name, is recieving neg rep in retaliation from whoever you left negative rep for. It is childish and immature, but I am sure that it happens.
    I resolve to constantly assert my honest opinion on anything and everything - whether it is requested or not.
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    I would think that if you are giving negative points then there would be a form that would have to be filled out telling the moderators as to why you gave that person negative points. The whole idea is make it cumbersome enough that it is seldom used.

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    Here again is the results of the poll on reps that I put up a couple of weeks ago.

    View Poll Results: Where do you stand on Rep?
    Like it just the way it is.........................................10 10.75%
    Like the positive rep part, but lose neg reps............13 13.98%
    Hate the whole thing............................................. 32 34.41%
    Couldn't care less.............................................. ..38 40.86%
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    I am thinking that if you have a Rep Power of 24 then you are not spending enough time on your bike and likely spending way too much time on a computer!

    Frankly, I didn't even know what Rep Power was until recently. I don't think that it matters at all to the vast majority of users!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    If it was not obvious in my previous posts I will try to be more clear.

    Forum Rules apply everywhere on MTBR - including the rep system.

    Trolling, insults, baiting, etc. will not be tolerated and will end in a Time Out or outright ban.

    Thank You,
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    CHUM's using proper grammar and capitalization and stuff. ****'s getting serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    CHUM's using proper grammar and capitalization and stuff. ...
    yeah, WTH Nick?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I was reading one thread where a guy got negative rep by someone for calling himself old. How ridiculous is that?

    I got neg rep for making an observation about the rep system. Again, stupid.
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    How is the rep a "reward?" What does it actually DO? That I have yet to figure out. I just now clicked on the "my account" button above and saw that I had some rep left for me, 4+ and 1- that only said 33, so I have no idea what that means. Actually, it means absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't get an email when I get reps, so I have no idea when they come, I don't usually ever go to the "my account" button, so I never have any idea what it's at. I never "rep" anyone because it serves no purpose. If I start receiving something tangible for rep, maybe I would find a use for it. Until then, as others have posted, the rep discussion is just beating a dead horse.
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    How is the rep a "reward?" What does it actually DO?
    I think the rep system is best known for pitting people against each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    How is the rep a "reward?" What does it actually DO? That I have yet to figure out.



    When you get to 20 rep points you can redeem them for strippers or something else of little or no value.

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    I would think that if you are giving negative points then there would be a form that would have to be filled out telling the moderators as to why you gave that person negative points. The whole idea is make it cumbersome enough that it is seldom used.
    i like this idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    When you get to 20 rep points you can redeem them for strippers or something else of little or no value.
    Hey, I have 20 rep - can I bestow strippers to whomever I choose?

    ALA Oprah... YOU get a stripper. YOU get a stripper. YOU get a stripper. ...Youuuu , get a stripper.

    [this could really come in handy for those repainting their frames ]
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    zip it marpilli - no one is supposed to get a glowing tip in their first year
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    I try to help as much as possible, I say mean things when I deem them appropriate, I make jokes and sarcastic comments that don't translate well to type, I accept that some people are too stupid or immature to understand how and why to "rep" someone, and when I get a pointless negative rep I'm usually a little baffled but at the end of the day rep doesn't mean much.

    Is my opinion or advice more or less correct if someone last month negative rep'ed me? No seriously... is it? I'm super worried.

    If you're so worried about getting negative rep then start making comments that can't be taken in a negative fashion. Otherwise, carry on and take what the peanut gallery gives you for better or worse. If you're actually giving good information the rep system will average out to say so.
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    The Gentlemanly Art of the Insult

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I try to help as much as possible, I say mean things when I deem them appropriate, I make jokes and sarcastic comments that don't translate well to type, I accept that some people are too stupid or immature to understand how and why to "rep" someone, and when I get a pointless negative rep I'm usually a little baffled but at the end of the day rep doesn't mean much.

    Is my opinion or advice more or less correct if someone last month negative rep'ed me? No seriously... is it? I'm super worried.

    If you're so worried about getting negative rep then start making comments that can't be taken in a negative fashion. Otherwise, carry on and take what the peanut gallery gives you for better or worse. If you're actually giving good information the rep system will average out to say so.
    Hey Zebrahum, I recommend checking out this article as I think it will help you. Its called the The Gentlemanly Art of the Insult, by George Weigel. (George Weigel was Pope John Paul II's offical Biographer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sopwithcamel View Post
    Hey Zebrahum, I recommend checking out this article as I think it will help you. Its called the The Gentlemanly Art of the Insult, by George Weigel. (George Weigel was Pope John Paul II's offical Biographer).

    The Gentlemanly Art of the Insult
    I'm going to take the moral high ground and stick with poop jokes.
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    Agreed. I feel that only some should be able to negative rep. Maybe a certain system, I don't know

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    Here's a telling incident regarding negative reps and at least one person who gives them. A few weeks ago, you may remember the Tweakers on the Trail thread that enjoyed quite a ride, drifting into the role of gov't, the constitution, taxes - all that good stuff. I got a neg rep "bleedin heart commie - just to piss you off". Apparently, someone didn't care for my liberal views - respectfully expressed, mind you. So in a subsequent post, I mentioned the neg and said it didn't piss me off, in fact it made me smile. I've never been called a commie before.

    Now to the point - a month later, I get the exact same neg. So someone waited until whatever criteria have to be satisfied to give another neg to the same person. So, to whoever I annoyed, I'm still not pissed off at you, just impressed at what an angry person you must be. Let it go, man, it's not worth it. Peace brother.
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    I received neg rep for posting in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason B View Post
    I received neg rep for posting in this thread.
    me too lol, my comment was a joke btw

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    Dont worry so much about your Rep. It isnt very important. I find it ironic that the post that give me positive rep are usually jokes of some sort, yet posts where im serious and actually help someone yield nothing. It just proves that it doesnt really mean anything.

    That said, I will rep you to counter you negative rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I try to help as much as possible, I say mean things when I deem them appropriate, I make jokes and sarcastic comments that don't translate well to type, I accept that some people are too stupid or immature to understand how and why to "rep" someone, and when I get a pointless negative rep I'm usually a little baffled but at the end of the day rep doesn't mean much.

    Is my opinion or advice more or less correct if someone last month negative rep'ed me? No seriously... is it? I'm super worried.

    If you're so worried about getting negative rep then start making comments that can't be taken in a negative fashion. Otherwise, carry on and take what the peanut gallery gives you for better or worse. If you're actually giving good information the rep system will average out to say so.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    Dont worry so much about your Rep. It isnt very important. I find it ironic at the post that give me positive rep are usually jokes of some sort, yet posts where im serious and actually help someone yield nothing. It just proves that it doesnt really mean anything.

    That said, I will rep you to counter you negative rep.
    o you are the man! I already repped you previously for your fork guru knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
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    I've gotten some bad marks from the admins for bashing Obama in a thread that "seemed" to me to be political in nature. I got over it with a lol! (called me a tea-bagger). I also got some for being drunk and sarcastic!
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