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    OT: Who are you voting for this election?

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    OT: Who are you voting for this election?

    I'm voting for Ron Paul solely because he challenged all other candidates to a 20 mile bike ride in 100 degree, 100% humidity Texas heat. Oh, and I dig that he's all into freedom and liberty.
    What about you guys?

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    Subscribed. It's been too long since I've seen a decent flame war. Of course, all of OP's threads turn out bad anyways. Oh well. Makes for great fun for the rest of us.
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    OP must have missed this post in the other "decent flame war".

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    18 posts until something political came into this thread. Please note that while not explicitly defined by the guidelines arguing about politics on the MTBR boards is generally not allowed due to its volatile nature and rapid degradation into flame wars which is against MTBR guidelines.

    I have emptied this thread of political arguments, handed out infractions as needed and will be watching this thread. If political discourse continues then it will be locked and binned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    Subscribed. It's been too long since I've seen a decent flame war. Of course, all of OP's threads turn out bad anyways. Oh well. Makes for great fun for the rest of us.
    I've had some pretty successful threads too. The "Diarrhea, cha, cha, cha," thread was a masterpiece and well liked by many. There was also no hatred or anger. Why can't we all just get along? And vote for Ron Paul.

    Once this thread gets out of control and hits the recycle bin, I plan on starting a religion thread to decide which one is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    Subscribed. It's been too long since I've seen a decent flame war. Of course, all of OP's threads turn out bad anyways. Oh well. Makes for great fun for the rest of us.
    Decent flame war is a myth. It will get deep-sixed in the Recycle Bin then locked when it turns extra ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaLL6 View Post
    Decent flame war is a myth. It will get deep-sixed in the Recycle Bin then locked when it turns extra ugly.

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    Ohhh boy, I was going to be wading into hot water...but after seeing AZ.MTNS warning, I think I'll refrain. As for flame wars, I definitely don't want any part of that!
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    I'd vote for this guy...if only because he created the "Rent is Too Damn High Party"


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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Once this thread gets out of control and hits the recycle bin, I plan on starting a religion thread to decide which one is the best.
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    Depends, if Michelle Bachman or Rick Perry come out on top I'll pretty much vote for anyone running against them. Now if the Republicans are smart enough to nominate someone slightly more moderate I will have a tougher decision on my hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Once this thread gets out of control and hits the recycle bin, I plan on starting a religion thread to decide which one is the best.
    Good idea Dan. Maybe that'll work cause so far it's not even funny in an annoying kinda way.
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    None of the clowns in any of the worthless parties are worth voting for. This country desperately needs reorganization. All politicians should be fired and replaced with hard working, red blooded Americans. We need to end Capitalism, make it illegal. Until that day comes, your world will continue to spiral down, down, down...The rich will get richer and more poor people will emerge. The fools that run this country only care about themselves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bclagge View Post
    Depends, if Michelle Bachman or Rick Perry come out on top I'll pretty much vote for anyone running against them. Now if the Republicans are smart enough to nominate someone slightly more moderate I will have a tougher decision on my hands...
    Would you consider Romney to be in that more moderate realm?

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    Obama.. just because the Republicans are so far to the right, there is no scale that can measure their conservatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    I'm voting for Ron Paul solely because he challenged all other candidates to a 20 mile bike ride in 100 degree, 100% humidity Texas heat. Oh, and I dig that he's all into freedom and liberty.
    What about you guys?
    Just another talking head, RP gets owned
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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    Just another talking head, RP gets owned
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    RIP Tim Russert, a true journalist.
    If the Federal Government is going to devalue the currency, it's his job to try and prevent it. However, once the money is allocated, it's getting spent no matter what. It's also his job not to punish his own constituents by not trying to get them a portion of the monetary inflation.

    That is how I would want my Congressman to act. No reason to shoot your constituents in the foot over losing on a political position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    None of the clowns in any of the worthless parties are worth voting for. This country desperately needs reorganization ....... The fools that run this country only care about themselves!
    I agree with that. However your choices are vote for someone or don't. Abstaining from voting doesn't do anything for your cause. There may not be a revolution in our lifetimes, so you may as well play the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Would you consider Romney to be in that more moderate realm?
    I am OK with his positions on several of the most important issues facing our country right now. However I also disagree on some as well, like foreign wars. As much as I hate to even make it an issue, I strongly disagree with his position on social issues. If he focuses on the other issues and leaves marijuana use, gay rights and abortion alone then I would be interested in learning more before the election. Because there are far more important things to worry about right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    If the Federal Government is going to devalue the currency, it's his job to try and prevent it. However, once the money is allocated, it's getting spent no matter what. It's also his job not to punish his own constituents by not trying to get them a portion of the monetary inflation.

    That is how I would want my Congressman to act. No reason to shoot your constituents in the foot over losing on a political position.
    On a gritty street in Galveston, Texas, a few blocks from the Gulf of Mexico, stands a prime example of the largesse of Republican Rep. Ron Paul. Workers here are putting the finishing touches on a new home, one of about 180 that will be built, at taxpayer's expense, for residents who lost their abodes to Hurricane Ike back in 2008.

    The money for this project came from a federal Community Development Block Grant that the libertarian-leaning congressman helped direct to Galveston, the seat of Galveston County, and the most populous part of Paul's district. "Federal dollars are key," city spokeswoman Alicia Cahill tells me as a trailer arrives with boxes of new appliances. "Not only to help rebuild these homes, but also for so many infrastructure projects."

    As a libertarian, Paul says he opposes federal disaster relief, but one of Paul's staffers told me that his office has shepherded hundreds of FEMA claims, ensured the reconstruction of the county's seawall, and won federal funding for an extensive beach nourishment project. Indeed, between 1999 and 2009 (the most recent year available), federal spending in Galveston County quadrupled to more than $4 billion. In 2009, the county received $14,707 per resident, topping average per capita federal spending in 46 of the 50 states. Paul earmarked some $60 million for projects in and around the city that year.

    These local projects illustrate a central irony of Ron Paul's career: Even as the 12-term congressman has become the Cassandra of governmental overreach, he has enabled a deepening dependence on the federal government at home. Paul, who last week announced that he will retire at the end of 2012, will on one hand be remembered as "Dr. No," the politician who always voted "nay" on new spending, and on the other, as "a politician like all the rest," as Galveston GOP precinct chair Josh Daniels described him to me last week, noting that Paul's Janus-faced approach to federal spending "just doesn't sit well with me."

    For better or worse, Paul has always cauterized his anti-government views with old-fashioned cronyism. Knowing that most appropriations bills will pass despite his nay vote, he often loads them with earmarks. In this way, he has managed to please both small-government conservatives and pork-loving constituents. From 2008 through 2010, Paul won nearly $125 million in earmarks, most of them for spending in his district. Last year, he was one of just four House Republicans who refused to abide by their party's voluntary earmarks ban. Trying to justify his projects in a 2009 Fox News interview, Paul said, "If they are going to allot the money, I have a responsibility to represent my people." Asked to elaborate on Paul's position, his spokeswoman pointed to a statement on Paul's website arguing that eliminating earmarks "would further consolidate power in the already dominant executive branch and not save a penny."

    Local GOP headquarters in Galveston County.Welcome to Galveston County GOP headquarters.Over the years, being Ron Paul has not gotten any easier. Take, for example, the window of the Galveston County GOP headquarters, a squat building along Interstate 45 south of Houston, where a campaign sign reads, "Ron Paul: The Taxpayers' Best Friend." Less than a block away is the site of a future Park and Ride facility, courtesy of Paul's $750,000 earmark—never mind that Paul claims to oppose public transportation. Of course, Paul isn't entirely a hypocrite. He has long advocated privatizing NASA, a major employer in Galveston County. Obama is now doing just that; the only problem is that there's another sign in the window of GOP headquarters, reading: "Save NASA, Stop Obama."

    For Paul's would-be successors, inhabiting his political wheelhouse is about as desirable as living on Saturn. None of the Texas Republicans vying to replace him in Congress—school administrator John Gay, politically connected attorney Michael Truncale, and state legislator Larry Taylor (who on Wednesday announced he would drop out of the race)—consider themselves libertarians. When I met Truncale at a GOP social hour at a yacht club in Kemah, an affluent resort town on Galveston Bay, he told me that a number of Paul's positions "may be a bit extreme for me." And Gay gripes that Paul wants to shrink government to the point that it's "almost like no government." In fact, nobody I met at the club described themselves as full-fledged Ron Paul supporters.

    Part of Paul's duality may stem from his district's shifting political landscape; this year, the Texas Legislature redrew the district to include a swath of Democratic-leaning Jefferson County and larger parts of Galveston County. Paul's turf, once predominately rural, now must draw more conservative votes from the metastasizing Houston suburbs around League City, where billboards advertise new subdivisions with names like Tuscan Lakes and Trails at Bay Colony. Many voters in those places look to the government to provide quality roads, public schools, and law enforcement. "Growth in League City is mainly Republicans," says Daniels, the Galveston County precinct chair. "A lot of the core libertarian voters are not in that district."
    "He's just not that popular around here," says a resident of Paul's old neighborhood.

    To be sure, Paul still has plenty of loyalists. At Smithart's Downtown Grill in Lake Jackson, where he used to stop in for the signature half-pound burger, I found Sandra Smithart standing barefoot behind the counter, her toenails painted bright red. She told me that everyone knew Paul because, in his former career as a physician, he'd delivered thousands of babies around the county. "I like his honesty," she said, after calling out an order for a big man named Bubba. "He's a politician who won't ever vote for anything he doesn't believe in."

    Yet on the leafy streets around Paul's old ranch-style home, yard signs in support of his presidential campaign were hard to come by. "He's just not that popular around here," explains retired engineer Jim Struthwolf, stepping off his riding mower to talk. Though Struthwolf has seen Paul speak at the Lions Club and his wife worked with Paul's wife on the Girl Scouts 20 years ago, he doesn't consider himself a supporter. "He went off a different way when he became a libertarian."

    If all politics are local, as the famously liberal House Speaker Tip O'Neill liked to argue, then the Ron Paul revolution may be destined to fizzle. Back home, Paul never fully walked his libertarian talk. Struthwolf recalls Paul's early days in Congress, when he lambasted O'Neill for riding around Washington in an expensive, state-issued Lincoln Town Car. Well, the last time Paul showed up at his house, Struthwolf tells me with a chuckle, he showed up in, yes, an official Lincoln Town Car. (Paul's spokeswoman said the car could have belonged to someone else). "Tip O'Neill," Struthwolf says, "is probably laughing in his grave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    blah blah blah.
    Ron Paul is believed to be a “fiscal conservative” and if you ask him he will tell you that he has never voted for an earmark. That statement is 100% correct. What Paul does is to make sure that the earmarks he wants are put into a bill, and then he votes against the bill. Its the best of all possible worlds. He gets to bring home the bacon on a local basis and makes the anti-earmark claim on a national basis.

    In fiscal 2009 Ron Paul sponsored or co-sponsored 23 earmarks totaling $80,775,750 ranking him the 33rd highest out of 435 representatives.

    Leaders are supposed to lead by example.

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    I liken it to not liking a particular rule of a game or sport you're playing. You voice your opinion how you don't like the rule, but if the rule exists, you will increase your odds of losing by playing the game by your own more stringent set of rules. Fight to change the rules, but when it's game time, you take advantage of the rules to the best of your ability. I have no problem with this philosophy and don't see it as hypocritical.
    The anecdotal stories don't do much for me. He's been elected many times and took over a mostly democratic district in the 70's with his Libertarian views. He has enough fans to win elections in that district anyway.

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    [QUOTE=bclagge;8406645]I agree with that. However your choices are vote for someone or don't. Abstaining from voting doesn't do anything for your cause. There may not be a revolution in our lifetimes, so you may as well play the game.

    I see your point but respectfully disagree. Voting for someone or something I have no faith in only fuels a fire I'd like to see burn out. Clearly, humans are no longer capable of positive construction as a race. It's an "all for me and none for your" world. Money is one of our greatest failures, simply because it controls EVERYTHING.

    Until humanity realizes that money is our disease, we will just keep on killing for it.

    There's nothing I can do to change the way it is, nothing 500 million people can do to change the way it is.

    The funny thing is that most people with common sense agree to some extent or at least understand what I'm saying. But they just keep on living a lifestyle that only makes things worse...because they are afraid of losing their money...

    Yeah, I'm a hipocrite. I exist in a world that functions in a way that I dislike, yet I continue to live on this way. We're all trapped in a game that we cannot end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Money is one of our greatest failures, simply because it controls EVERYTHING.

    Until humanity realizes that money is our disease, we will just keep on killing for it.

    There's nothing I can do to change the way it is, nothing 500 million people can do to change the way it is.
    I agree that there are inherent problems with money, but money is/was just a tool to try and figure out how to exchange and obtain goods and services. People will always need goods and services in order to survive, so what mechanism replaces money and/or wealth?

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    I like Gary Johnson as well, but he's not getting any press...

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    ELECTION 2012 IS COMING
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    ^ your idea of a free country?

    Alex Jones for prez! lol
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    Not sure yet. Wanna see what the other B.S. party puts up against the incumbent's B.S. party.

    Perry and Bauchman will not get my vote. I know this much. And that's about all I know thusfar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noobi-wan kenobi View Post
    election 2012 is coming
    a nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves!


    we need (amongst other things)

    borders: Closed...

    Language: English only...

    Culture: Constitution, and the bill of rights!!!

    Drug free: Make a drug screen mandatory for congress and
    for anyone on welfare and/or food stamps!

    No freebies to non-citizens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobi-Wan Kenobi View Post
    ELECTION 2012 IS COMING
    A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!


    WE NEED (amongst other things)

    Borders: Closed...

    Language: English only...

    Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!!!

    Drug Free: Make a drug screen mandatory for congress and
    For anyone on welfare and/or food stamps!

    NO freebies to Non-Citizens!
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    when republicans decide to stop freaking out about dead babies and "them queers" and start giving a crap about the environment....i'll listen. not to happy with the uber politically correct "love everybody!" democrats either. i may not vote. or as somebody else said, maybe i'll vote for anybody against bachman (doesnt her existance disprove intelligent design?) or Perry. then maybe i'll shoot myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobi-Wan Kenobi View Post
    ELECTION 2012 IS COMING
    A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!


    WE NEED (amongst other things)

    Borders: Closed...

    Language: English only...

    Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!!!

    Drug Free: Make a drug screen mandatory for congress and
    For anyone on welfare and/or food stamps!

    NO freebies to Non-Citizens!
    Constitution and Bill of Rights say nothing about what language people should speak, in fact, the first amendment, you know, the one about free speech disagrees with you. Drugs fall into that same category. Time to end the war on drugs due to its' complete failure. The "Land of the Free" has the highest incarceration rate of any country on this planet and more than half of those are there for non-violent drug crimes. It's a total waste and against the principles that this country was founded on.

    Agree on ending subsidies to non-citizens. If you do that, you don't even need to close the borders. The incentive to come here goes away.

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    You almost lured me in again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
    Just have to keep reminding myself, this is a mtb site, this is a mtb site.
    There's plenty of political BS websites you can shoot the sh@t at for days. Please do your thing over there, Please.

    Um, moderators?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
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    Um, moderators?
    what?

    better be good - i am busy pointing a gun to my head waiting for the inevitable thread-flameout-banhammer action to begin....




    so far this OT political stir up is actually quite civil....


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    Lol
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    i think it has remained civil because most people agree that (most) candidates kind of suck.

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    or many of the flamers have figured out someones #
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    You almost lured me in again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
    Just have to keep reminding myself, this is a mtb site, this is a mtb site.
    There's plenty of political BS websites you can shoot the sh@t at for days. Please do your thing over there, Please.

    Um, moderators?
    The only one being confrontational so far is you. (Although I just added myself to the list by pointing out the hypocrisy of your post)
    Put me on ignore, don't open my threads, don't open threads with titles that dictate you're not interested in the subject matter, etc...

    Discussing the political system, and the rules by which us citizens are forced to live by is a healthy exercise and one that we should learn to do in a civil matter. The idea that politics should not be discussed in a casual setting helps the most powerful people controlling the rules to their advantage to continue to do so at an increasing rate. We all have the same goal here, happiness and fairness and civil discussion is the only way we will improve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    ...Discussing the political system, and the rules by which us citizens are forced to live by is a healthy exercise and one that we should learn to do in a civil matter...
    first and foremost this is a Mountain Bike Site....not a Poo-litical flinging discussion board.

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    Discussion is not going to improve the situation, we have been enslaved by "our" government. The sad thing is that "we" allowed it to happen. When there are term limits, limits on political contributions and a ban on lobbyists we may see a positive change. Vote out all incumbents, put an end to the industry of being a politician. Politics are supposed to be service to your country not a way to get rich. My two cents.

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    Agreed AZ. but the way I see it, with the "press-titutes" we have pushing the topics and candidates, it's gonna have to get worse before it get's better. Same general rule applies to Dan and this thread. lol. But we shall see. My guess on all 3 is that it won't always be pretty, but should be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Discussion is not going to improve the situation, we have been enslaved by "our" government. The sad thing is that "we" allowed it to happen. When there are term limits, limits on political contributions and a ban on lobbyists we may see a positive change. Vote out all incumbents, put an end to the industry of being a politician. Politics are supposed to be service to your country not a way to get rich. My two cents.
    Agree with all your points except the discussion part. Many people don't understand it as you do, so, civil discussion is necessary. I don't think term limits are necessarily a solution though as the offices that do have term limits always end up with some corrupt tool holding the position. The media is the cheerleader for the owners and they promote those that will help the task of funneling more money and power to them. New faces every few years won't change the philosophy.
    Agree 100% on the lobbyists and political contributions... One of my reasons for liking Ron Paul so much is because he gets all of his contributions from citizens and corporations seem to never donate to his campaigns. He's received more donations from active service men than all the other GOP candidates combined. He's also received more donation than the current commander in chief. To me, this is all very strong evidence that his policy ideas would hurt their plight. The mainstream media snubbing him also leads me to believe that those in power are scared of his ideas.

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    I was trying to direct this thread into a more humorous direction, but it appears my attempts were for naught. Self-destruct in 5...4....3...

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    When one party gets total control, things tend to go to hell in a handbasket mighty quick. We saw it with the GOP in the early/mid 2000's, and with the Dems later. We need some diversity for two reasons
    1) They keep each other honest. When it's all one big circlejerk, nobody points out the mistakes.
    2) It creates gridlock...makes it hard to push an agenda.

    Since the only GOP presidential candidates I take the least bit seriously are Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, and they don't have a chance since they aren't social conservatives, what I'll probably wind up doing is voting for Obama for president and Republicans for congress, unless they're particularly hard-core theocrat statist social conservatives.

    By the way- if anyone is offended by this thread, please don't look at it. It sure was a lot better when we had a special section for threads like this so those who weren't interested didn't even have to look at the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    OK, so THIS is not "Insulting" or "Intentionally flaming"??

    What a hypocrit.


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    Think it was axactly what I was thinking when i read this thread and who started it so yes funny, no not insulting. Especially when it's not directed at anyone personally, more like sharing a reflective moment kinda thing. Calling someone names like a hypocrit is insulting.
    That's my opinion anyway, I am still allowed that a public forum, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flankerdog View Post
    OK, so THIS is not "Insulting" or "Intentionally flaming"??

    What a hypocrit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Think it was axactly what I was thinking when i read this thread and who started it so yes funny, no not insulting. Especially when it's not directed at anyone personally, more like sharing a reflective moment kinda thing. Calling someone names like a hypocrit is insulting.
    That's my opinion anyway, I am still allowed that a public forum, no?
    Is it?

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    i'm actually impressed we got to 50 or so posts before complete thread derailment....

    can we get back on track to the original political discourse please?
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    Fair enough, but I think posting pm's gets you a trip to banned camp. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Fair enough, but I think posting pm's gets you a trip to banned camp. Just sayin.
    Which "Rule" doe that subjectively violate?

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    Children children: can't we argue about the topic instead of fighting about weather it's OK to start a political thread? If you want to arge about whether political threads are OK, start another thread for it. If you don't want to read this thread, then DON'T READ IT. Simple, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    i'm actually impressed we got to 50 or so posts before complete thread derailment....

    can we get back on track to the original political discourse please?
    I find this offensive and flaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Think it was axactly what I was thinking when i read this thread and who started it so yes funny, no not insulting. Especially when it's not directed at anyone personally, more like sharing a reflective moment kinda thing. Calling someone names like a hypocrit is insulting.
    That's my opinion anyway, I am still allowed that a public forum, no?
    Oh and thanx for the definition lesson and I must say you like to disagree with the mods alot. Believe me I'm not kissing ass but the mods seem to give us plenty of wiggle room and pretty much let us be until it just gets so stupid or insulting or pointless. They even remain light hearted and funny while dealing with our BS so?, try to be real at least.
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    Which "Rule" doe that subjectively violate?
    It is probably subjective, I don't make the rules, I just try not to violate too many of them.

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    And to get this thread back on topic, I am announcing my dogs bid for election for POTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam View Post
    Children children: can't we argue about the topic instead of fighting about weather it's OK to start a political thread? If you want to arge about whether political threads are OK, start another thread for it. If you don't want to read this thread, then DON'T READ IT. Simple, eh?
    Ok ok, so you made that point already but I still don't undersatnd? You are entittled to call people children and make a statement non-related to politics on this thread and tell people not to tell people what to do?

    Hmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Yes "it is", because



    Oh and thanx for the definition lesson and I must say you like to disagree with the mods alot. Believe me I'm not kissing ass but the mods seem to give us plenty of wiggle room and pretty much let us be until it just gets so stupid or insulting or pointless, while even being funny at times so?, try to be real at least.
    The point of the definition lesson was to point out the truth of the term in this usage.

    If you think this is "wiggle room", then maybe you should get out more.

    And I'm about as real as it gets.

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    There you go again, trying to be personally insulting and telling me what to do, LOL

    Ok Ok back on topic, Danhasdrums for prez?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBowles View Post
    I'm going to vote for the candidate in whichever party that doesn't wish to raise my taxes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    And to get this thread back on topic, I am announcing my dogs bid for election for POTUS.
    Pics? If it has a good coat, I might just vote for it.

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    religion.

    YEP! whenever i start to hear 'i think creationism should be taught in scho...."

    NEXT!!!!!!

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    Yep have seen that Jon Stuart video and it's very true and very funny. It's a sad state of afairs when a large part of, or maybe the only "real" news comes from a comedy show. It's not the first time he's made some really good points or has set a trend to be followed for years to come. The press-titutes are clearly getting desperate and I couldn't be happier, but I still say it must get worse before someone like Ron Paul will be elected.

    Try to check out news about America from other countries. It still may be filtered but with a different agenda, at least the propaganda will be from a different angle so you can get a bigger picture.
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    Can we all agree that Rick Perry is a tool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Can we all agree that Rick Perry is a tool?
    yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBowles View Post
    I'm going to vote for the candidate in whichever party that doesn't wish to raise my taxes.
    And you'd believe em ?
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    ha ha.... game is rigged more than ever so it dont matter at a national level. My proudest electoral moment came when i pulled the lever for gary coleman aka arnold jackson in the grey davis recall scam to install schwarzeneger


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    Which "Rule" doe that subjectively violate?
    Posting a private message is considered flaming.

    Flamebait is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame")...

    paraphrased from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)

    most people would consider the posting of a private conversation on a public domain as flamebait and therefore it is considered flaming which is defined in the Usage Guidelines #7 (The message is posted as "flame-bait" and is posted to incite flames and insults)
    Try this: HTFU

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    Simian poo-flinging...

    If any candidate - regardless of party - conceeds the following points, I will consider voting for them:
    1) The President actually has very little power over the economy.
    2) That IF, and this is a big IF; IF the deficit is as bad as some whould have us believe - then revenues need to be increased.

    We are grownups and shouldn't pretend that cutting spending as the way back to prosperity works.

    Investing to prosperity works - it has been proven countless times on scales from individual to society.

    I now consider myself a poo-flinging simain for having shared my polical views.

    And, someone explain the whole notion that the US is over-regulated please. I've never gotten it. The whole financial collapse of Savings and Loans in previous decades and the banks in more recently has been traced back to deregulation.
    Remember deregulation = decriminilzation.
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    I'm voting for Jesus. I know you spandex wearing heathen will be want to use my tax dollars for free abortions and to spread "science." The fact that atheists are allowed to vote just shows how far from the constitution this country has strayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapaso View Post
    I'm voting for Jesus. I know you spandex wearing heathen will be want to use my tax dollars for free abortions and to spread "science." The fact that atheists are allowed to vote just shows how far from the constitution this country has strayed.

    dont forget the gays who are out to indoctrinate your children and ruin the american family turn everybody into rollerbladers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapaso View Post
    I'm voting for Jesus. I know you spandex wearing heathen will be want to use my tax dollars for free abortions and to spread "science." The fact that atheists are allowed to vote just shows how far from the constitution this country has strayed.
    i wouldnt vote for Jesus. he might trick us with his magical powers. he could probably even add amendments to the constitution without opening the glass case. didnt think about that, did ye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I don't know about voting for a Zombie.
    I'm not sure Jesus is the right guy for the job, however, I would take a look at a zombie candidate as a possibly less damaging alternative to the last couple presidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitanan View Post
    I'm not sure Jesus is the right guy for the job, however, I would take a look at a zombie candidate as a possibly less damaging alternative to the last couple presidents.



    Good point, can my dog be V.P?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Good point, can my dog be V.P?
    That is too fn funny! I almost wrote a zombie/your dog ticket would probably get my vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitanan View Post
    I'm not sure Jesus is the right guy for the job, however, I would take a look at a zombie candidate as a possibly less damaging alternative to the last couple presidents.
    Does that mean you'd vote for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    This should go directly into the Recycle Bin.
    /\ This, if I bad post myself will it get sent to the bin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Posting a private message is considered flaming.

    Flamebait is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame")...

    paraphrased from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)

    most people would consider the posting of a private conversation on a public domain as flamebait and therefore it is considered flaming which is defined in the Usage Guidelines #7 (The message is posted as "flame-bait" and is posted to incite flames and insults)
    I'm glad we do not find ourselves in a real life situation where you must think for me.

    Who decides if "most people" find posting a pm offensive?

    Does such a thing as "private" message exist on a "public" forum?

    You went over the line in the obama upgrade thread. Just admit it and let's get on with life.

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    Flankerdog for prez?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flankerdog View Post
    Who decides if "most people" find posting a pm offensive?
    Forum Moderators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Flankerdog for prez?
    I'd get shot during the primaries.

    Besides, the Prez has no real authority anyway.

    Take down the Rothchild's and maye we can talk.

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    Forum Moderators.



    Yes.
    If it is a rule, then it should be spelled out in the rules.

    That little thing like subjectivity and consistency is what gives "most people" a bad taste in the mouth when it comes to emptybeer.

    And I disagree about the privacy of said messages. I'm sure a court of law would not see this the same as you.

    No offense intended, of course.

    And definitely not a flame.

    Oh, and I didn't post the infraction notice sent by rockcrusher.

    See? It's working!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flankerdog View Post
    I'd get shot during the primaries.

    Besides, the Prez has no real authority anyway.

    Take down the Rothchild's and maye we can talk.
    All your speech's would be edited by rockcrusher

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    Give Ron a chance

    I would think that a write in Ronald McDonald campain would take off like wildfire. Give congress a President that they can relate to! He appeals to the right and left. I have nothing against Bozo, Crusty or any of the lesser known clowns, I just think RM has way better name recognition and his french fries rule. He also represents one of the only things that the rest of the world loves about America!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pitanan View Post
    I would think that a write in Ronald McDonald campain would take off like wildfire. Give congress a President that they can relate to! He appeals to the right and left. I have nothing against Bozo, Crusty or any of the lesser known clowns, I just think RM has way better name recognition and his french fries rule. He also represents one of the only things that the rest of the world loves about America!


    go ahead and flame broil me
    I think the rest of the world pretty much hates both McDonald's AND the USA.

    May be wrong, but, no I'm right.

    Don't get me wrong, they don't hat you personally. They hate the hypocracy you stand for.

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    [QUOTE=@dam;8407880] what I'll probably wind up doing is voting for Obama for president and Republicans for congress, unless they're particularly hard-core theocrat statist social conservatives.

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    Yea, cause that's working out so well for us.
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