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    O/T joe pa is gone

    PSU trustees fire Paterno, Spanier

    yes, it's off topic. if you don't like it, navigate away from the page now.

    otherwise, what are your thoughts on what i think is a sad and horrible story?

    joe pa will probably expire within two years; football is all the man knows...
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    Seems like a nice guy. But good riddance.

    Must be that Catholic in him, to not report what he saw.

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    I think its unconscionable to put an athletic team's prospects above the impact something like that had on children. Its absolutely disgusting. Some things are more important then winning. People have some F'ed up priorities.

    I quit being a fan of pro-athletics due to the conduct of many athletes....more tattoos, more athletes bringing their gang affiliations with them, more bling bling, more stupid dances after every single play and these antics filter down to the college level. Sadly, I'm not surprised to hear about this Penn State situation. Clearly the people at Penn State didn't have their priorities correct and lacked character when it counted. Incidentally, I am hopeful that Tim Tebow does well with the Broncos since he seems to break the poor behavior mold in pro-athletics.

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    Given he allegedly had knowledge of a 10 yr old sodomized in the showers at Penn State, I personally think this is the best he could have hoped for...

    -edit- If he truly knew about these incidents & didn't report it properly, he should go to jail.

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    Remember when the Notre Dame student videographer was killed when the coaches sent him up on the lift to film their practice in high winds , NO ONE resigned or was terminated ..

    It at least shows some shread of class to remove everyone who should have handled that sick POS at Penn state

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    Pedophile State

    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    .... But good riddance. ...
    Agreed. Watching the rally outside his house yesterday was like watching OJ going free, wtf was going through those idiots minds? Sodomizing 10 year olds in the shower isn't something to rally and cheer about.

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    Given he allegedly had knowledge of a 10 yr old sodomized in the showers at Penn State, I personally think this is the best he could have hoped for...

    -edit- If he truly knew about these incidents & didn't report it properly, he should go to jail.
    He reported to the AD so Joe Pa is off the hook but the AD and VP are going to jail.

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    If I see a major crime, I think I'll report it to my mailman, or my local dog catcher. That should absolve me.

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    Let me preface this by saying I am not a Penn State fan. But I have always had tons of respect for Penn State and the legacy they (And JoePa) built. I always looked at him as one of the most admirable men in sports.

    Not anymore.

    Sure, he reported it to his supervisor. But he should have called the police as well. They still have some more house cleaning to do. If that were his grandson, you think he would have stopped at the A.D.? And how he could allow Sandusky to continue with his football camp is disgusting.

    There will be some serious jail time done for this, as well there should. JoePa may be in the clear criminally, but I can assure you he will be spending some time in Civil court, followed by signing some really really big checks.

    Bottom line, the whole situation is sad. I am sad for the boys who had to endure this treatment, their families for the same. And I am sad because what I thought was one of the few upstanding programs in sports turned out to be the most despicable of them all.

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    If Joe knew about my 10 year old son being sodomized and did'nt report it to police...being fired is the last thing he should worry about.

    This should only be about justice for the victims, regardless of who's legacy gets trashed.

    Probably one of the worst crimes there is
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelsnotfour View Post
    I quit being a fan of pro-athletics due to the conduct of many athletes....more tattoos, more athletes bringing their gang affiliations with them, more bling bling, more stupid dances after every single play and these antics filter down to the college level.
    Paint with a broad brush much?

    No comment on the PSU situation. Already heard enough, pretty sickening shi*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Sure, he reported it to his supervisor. But he should have called the police as well.
    I'm not saying that Paterno is without blame, but Coach Mike McQueary, who was actually a witness to the act, should have intervened and reported the incident to law enforcement. End of story. Instead he passes the buck, and why he has thus far been let off the the hook both criminally and with the university makes no sense to me. Seems that all Paterno would have been doing is reporting heresay to law enforcement.

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    Not too upset over any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    PSU trustees fire Paterno, Spanier

    yes, it's off topic. if you don't like it, click navigate away from the page now.

    otherwise, what are your thoughts on what i think is a sad and horrible story?

    joe pa will probably expire within two years; football is all the man knows...
    It seems he might have known about a bit more than just football. If he did know about what was going on, and having passed info on to his bosses, then seen nothing happening about it, he should have taken it further. To not do so, and risk this behavior going 1) Unpunished, and 2) Continuing, is unconscionable, and he should be pilloried. He is as guilty as the guy who did the deeds.
    As for people rioting at his dismissal in protest, this beggars belief, and is a sad sad indictment of the sickness in this society. Sport more important than little boys getting buggered in the showers? They must all be catholics.
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    Who cares, i don't go to Penn state, I'm not going to Penn state and i will never go to Penn state. I hope he gets treated like that 10 year old he saw in the shower.

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    Shocking. Jocks having so much latent, twisted, pent up homosexual desire, that they need to take it out on little boys. What's the matter coaches, the college kids can fight back too well?

    They should go back to just patting each others behinds after a good play.

    Just one more reason to ignore any organized sport, as if money, greed, poor behavior, and the flagrant public displays of such weren't enough already.

    Let's face it, you're being PAID, HUGE dollars to do what most folks all over the world do for free and fun. The least you can do is be a good boy and respect the impact you have on children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrasmak View Post
    I hope he gets treated like that 10 year old he saw in the shower.
    This, hope all involved do!
    How could you see something like this happening and walk away? If I did walk away it would be just far enough to find a police officer or a bat and I'd go back and wreck the MF'er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncfisherman View Post
    Paint with a broad brush much?

    No comment on the PSU situation. Already heard enough, pretty sickening shi*.
    Nope. Watched plenty of sports in the past. It took me quite a while to reach the point I have. So no. No broad brush even if you don't feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
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    Like this?

    This whole situation is horrible. Young boys being raped and you don't do everything you can to stop it? Makes me sick
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    We can debate this ad nauseum, but this statement is straight from the attorney representing a number of the molestation victims:

    Board of Trustees got it Wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    I'm not saying that Paterno is without blame, but Coach Mike McQueary, who was actually a witness to the act, should have intervened and reported the incident to law enforcement. End of story. Instead he passes the buck, and why he has thus far been let off the the hook both criminally and with the university makes no sense to me. Seems that all Paterno would have been doing is reporting heresay to law enforcement.
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    I'm dismayed at the reaction of some of the students of PSU after Paterno was fired. It seems they were upset the football coach was fired by the Board and not that he condoned (through his inaction) his adult, assistant coach sexually abusing young boys. It seems to be a troubling set of 'values' the students have.

    Some act as if the crime was something relatively minor like stealing or athletes getting gifts, not sexual assault of children.

    What have we become?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    We can debate this ad nauseum, but this statement is straight from the attorney representing a number of the molestation victims:

    Board of Trustees got it Wrong
    "The board of trustees got it wrong. They should have consulted the victims before making a decision on Mr. Paterno," Ben Andreozzi said.

    How does Mr. Andreozzi, obviously a top-notch attorney, not know about the Grand Jury testimonies and earlier investigation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    "The board of trustees got it wrong. They should have consulted the victims before making a decision on Mr. Paterno," Ben Andreozzi said.

    How does Mr. Andreozzi, obviously a top-notch attorney, not know about the Grand Jury testimonies and earlier investigation?
    Joe Paterno was never indicted by the Grand Jury. Paterno has only been found guilty in an ad hoc trial-by-media.

    But, I think you're missing the point; Mr. Andreozzi, in representing the victims of the crimes, is most likely representing the position of the victims as it relates to the termination of Mr. Paterno when he released this statement. I thought you might actually care about that.

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    this has turned into quite the interesting discussion on the subject.

    i would like to sincerely thank you all for keeping things civil and i would like to commend the trolls for staying under their bridges...

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    I'm don't think Paterno should be cleared from all responsibility, but it's hard to know what to think with all the hype. I have no sympathy for Sandusky. He deserves to get whatever hammer falls on his head. I'm more conflicted about Paterno. He had to go, but I'd probably let him resign at the end of the season. Now that the $#!% hit the fan, it seems like some people are jumping on the opportunity to drag his otherwise good name through the mud. he deserves some scrutiny, but some people are piling it on too thick. It's hard to know what each of us would have done differently. The whole thing is a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    Joe Paterno was never indicted by the Grand Jury. Paterno has only been found guilty in an ad hoc trial-by-media.

    But, I think you're missing the point; Mr. Andreozzi, in representing the victims of the crimes, is most likely representing the position of the victims as it relates to the termination of Mr. Paterno when he released this statement. I thought you might actually care about that.
    I can't argue the media point because I agree with you there, but Paterno is culpable.

    The attorney's claim about repercussions toward the victims as being responsible for Paterno's dismissal is bunk. It is uncommon for victims of sexual assault to have their names released. However, if the names were leaked, I could envision a group of irrational students at PSU to go on a 'witch hunt.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eville140 View Post
    This, hope all involved do!
    How could you see something like this happening and walk away? If I did walk away it would be just far enough to find a police officer or a bat and I'd go back and wreck the MF'er.
    According to Colorado law section 18-1-704, you can use deadly force to stop a sexual assault. If I ever saw someone sexually assaulting a child, I wouldnt be going to my boss and telling him about it...

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    I dont see what Paterno did wrong? Unless I am missing some facts. He did not see it. He was not a witness. He did not know what was going on except for someone saying it secondhand. He then reported what he had heard and we can assume the best that he thought it was a non-issue or misunderstanding from there. The guy who witnessed it did not tell Paterno repeatedly or Peterno did not know it was going on.

    The guy who witnessed it and did nothing to stop it, that is a whole different story.

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    For the victims, it's an unspeakable tragedy. For Paterno, it's incredibly sad. He's lived almost his entire life for a game and, ostensibly, to educate the young adults who played it. But let's face it: he was a football coach. When he had the opportunity to show true character--to do something that really mattered--he failed abjectly.

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    I don't buy the view that Paterno shouldn't be held responsible because he reported this to his superior. Wouldn't it be pretty d*mned obvious that nothing had been done after telling his superiors? I mean the guy was still an employee. A person of high character would have seen nothing done and then moved on to approaching the police. I personally would have told my superior that I am going to the police and then did it regardless of what my superior said. Paterno may have been told to keep it quiet. Somethings are more important then protecting your football organization or school. A person of character would have followed up on this situation with the authorities.

    I've heard it said that we each deal with trials and tribulations which develop our character through life. Then a time may come when we need to draw on that character in a difficult situation. It is during those difficult times we demonstrate the real nature of our character. We are either prepared to demonstrate a high level of character or not.

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    ncaa???

    If college athletic programs have recieved the "death penalty" for egregious recruiting/pay for play violations ect. I wonder if there is anything in the ncaa rule book or charter pertaining to this kind of crime by a former coach (Sandusky) and a possible cover up by part or all of the program?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning Lizard View Post
    The guy who witnessed it and did nothing to stop it, that is a whole different story.
    And yet he's still going to be on the sidelines coaching the game. Who knows what he reported to Paterno in the first place. I would put more responsibility on McQueary since he was the eye witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitanan View Post
    If Joe knew about my 10 year old son being sodomized and did'nt report it to police...being fired is the last thing he should worry about.

    This should only be about justice for the victims, regardless of who's legacy gets trashed.

    Probably one of the worst crimes there is
    +1. This is only the tip of the iceberg. They did not part ways with Joe just because he did not report it to the authorities but for what is in the sealed report. I got a feeling Joe is going to be in a lot of trouble soon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    +1. This is only the tip of the iceberg. They did not part ways with Joe just because he did not report it to the authorities but for what is in the sealed report. I got a feeling Joe is going to be in a lot of trouble soon....
    Which sealed report are you referring to? The Grand Jury Report is public record. Here is the link

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    'All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing'

    and as a side issue (that relates):
    An unsolved mystery

    Centre County (Pa.) District Attorney Ray Gricar, who in 1998 chose not to prosecute Jerry Sandusky after allegations surfaced that the then-Penn State assistant coach had inappropriate interactions with a boy, went missing in April 2005.

    Gricar's disappearance is still under investigation and has become a topic of speculation as the investigation of Sandusky moves forward.

    Some believe Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.

    Gricar's car was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Months later, his laptop was found in the Susquehanna River, its hard drive too damaged to yield any information. A search of his home computer revealed a history of Internet searches for phrases like "how to wreck a hard drive."

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    This mess gives guys like me a bad name!

    In all seriousness, I would have done the same exact thing as Joe, to which I would have added the question, "So, now that we're both aware of this, which one of us will be calling the police?" This wasn't a pathetic-looking Pinette getting mugged on the final episode of Seinfeld.

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    If I was McQueary, I would have beat the sh*t out of Sandusky when I saw the incident in the showers. Just reporting it would not have been enough. Honestly, none of those involved in the coverup deserve to remain free, they should all be charged with failure to report a crime against a child to law enforcement.

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    I don't hear anyone asking for McQuery to be fired and his the one that actually saw the 'act', he is getting to walk the sidelines on Saturday as a coach.

    Why didn't McQuery do anything (other than tell the head coach) when he saw the crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray_from_SA View Post
    I don't hear anyone asking for McQuery to be fired and his the one that actually saw the 'act', he is getting to walk the sidelines on Saturday as a coach.

    Why didn't McQuery do anything (other than tell the head coach) when he saw the crime?
    See the post directly above your post. They should all be held accountable for failing to deal with this situation appropriately.

    Chum's quote is extremely relevant to this disgusting situation.

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelsnotfour View Post
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    Chum's quote is extremely relevant to this disgusting situation.

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
    can't take credit for a smarter dude who said it a couple centuries ago

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    This seems to say what I feel:

    Joe Paterno, Arrogant to the End - Yahoo! News
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    This seems to say what I feel:

    Joe Paterno, Arrogant to the End - Yahoo! News
    good article. just like the mafia. yup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    I'm not saying that Paterno is without blame, but Coach Mike McQueary, who was actually a witness to the act, should have intervened and reported the incident to law enforcement. End of story. Instead he passes the buck, and why he has thus far been let off the the hook both criminally and with the university makes no sense to me. Seems that all Paterno would have been doing is reporting heresay to law enforcement.
    My thoughts exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Shocking. Jocks having so much latent, twisted, pent up homosexual desire, that they need to take it out on little boys. What's the matter coaches, the college kids can fight back too well?

    They should go back to just patting each others behinds after a good play.

    Just one more reason to ignore any organized sport, as if money, greed, poor behavior, and the flagrant public displays of such weren't enough already.

    Let's face it, you're being PAID, HUGE dollars to do what most folks all over the world do for free and fun. The least you can do is be a good boy and respect the impact you have on children.
    Not sure if I'm catching your point. Are you saying people who are really good at team sports have latent homosexual desires?

    If you don't like the major sports leagues, that's understandable. Do you like any popular music or movies? I'd argue that those industries have as much if not more greed, poor behavior, etc than pro sports leagues. And this is not pro-sports so technically none of these players are getting paid.

    To anyone that has any sympathy for "Joe Pa" - read the grand jury report. No sympathy for this greedy, self-serving piece of crap. As arguably the most powerful man in Pennsylvania, he allowed kids lives to be ruined. F you "Joe P" and anyone else who stood back and allowed this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    Not sure if I'm catching your point. Are you saying people who are really good at team sports have latent homosexual desires?

    If you don't like the major sports leagues, that's understandable. Do you like any popular music or movies? I'd argue that those industries have as much if not more greed, poor behavior, etc than pro sports leagues. And this is not pro-sports so technically none of these players are getting paid.
    Well, not saying ALL players, fans, employees of, etc, related to team, or pro sports have them, but it's long been a part of the broader culture to hint at it from the side lines so to speak.

    The butt slaps after a goal, tight ends, wide receivers, showering together, the ultra manly man behavior, the rampant homophobia amongst many who are involved, one way or another. I mean, SNL skits, Letterman, movies, they all pick up on this vibe from Jockdom. Manly man men would never willingly embrace tightly on national TV, unless they are wearing tight pants, and just did something apparently awesome with a ball, cause if they did, well, that'd be gay.

    That's where that came from.

    No love for team or pro sports here, and pretty much ditto for pop culture, be it music, movies, whatever. They are indeed pervasive sellers of our cultural undoing. Not that I'm wicked conservative (definitely not) nor am I a Puritan in mind or body, but walk through my kids high school and you get a good idea of where it wants us to be, fully on display, hyper sexualized, and dumb as a box of hammers. Far easier to sell us crap we don't need, if we don't think enough to bother to ask why.

    And indeed, correct, college sports is not by definition "pro" but one look at the money flowing around college ball, be it big round and orange, or brown and oblong, and it's hard to really tell the difference except for the actual paychecks, and who's paying who for what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Well, not saying ALL players, fans, employees of, etc, related to team, or pro sports have them, but it's long been a part of the broader culture to hint at it from the side lines so to speak.

    The butt slaps after a goal, tight ends, wide receivers, showering together, the ultra manly man behavior, the rampant homophobia amongst many who are involved, one way or another. I mean, SNL skits, Letterman, movies, they all pick up on this vibe from Jockdom. Manly man men would never willingly embrace tightly on national TV, unless they are wearing tight pants, and just did something apparently awesome with a ball, cause if they did, well, that'd be gay.

    That's where that came from.

    No love for team or pro sports here, and pretty much ditto for pop culture, be it music, movies, whatever. They are indeed pervasive sellers of our cultural undoing. Not that I'm wicked conservative (definitely not) nor am I a Puritan in mind or body, but walk through my kids high school and you get a good idea of where it wants us to be, fully on display, hyper sexualized, and dumb as a box of hammers. Far easier to sell us crap we don't need, if we don't think enough to bother to ask why.

    And indeed, correct, college sports is not by definition "pro" but one look at the money flowing around college ball, be it big round and orange, or brown and oblong, and it's hard to really tell the difference except for the actual paychecks, and who's paying who for what.

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    Whoa this has gotten way off track. Being gay is definitely NOT the same thing as being a pedophile. I'm not gay, but even I find it offensive that you're making that parallel. Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but that seems to be the connection that you're drawing MCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm374 View Post
    Whoa this has gotten way off track. Being gay is definitely NOT the same thing as being a pedophile. I'm not gay, but even I find it offensive that you're making that parallel. Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but that seems to be the connection that you're drawing MCS.

    Edit: In regards to MCS's comments
    I can't speak for MCS but I'll say that I didn't read it the way you're suggesting. What I gathered from his remarks is the homosexuality of the situation is not a surprise due to the sports thing.

    I agree with Paterno's firing but I think the board fell short. Everyone involved that is still on the PSU payroll should be gone. And as far as Paterno telling higher ups and then washing his hands of the situation, that is just inexcusable. My boss would have been phone call number 2 after I hung up with the police. In response to the hearsay angle (i.e. Paterno would have been reporting hearsay to the police) all he needed to do was dial the phone for McQueary and hand it over to him. Too many people did nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlb81 View Post
    I agree with Paterno's firing but I think the board fell short. Everyone involved that is still on the PSU payroll should be gone.
    Absolutely.


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    And as far as Paterno telling higher ups and then washing his hands of the situation, that is just inexcusable.
    Hear, hear.

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    My boss would have been phone call number 2 after I hung up with the police. In response to the hearsay angle (i.e. Paterno would have been reporting hearsay to the police) all he needed to do was dial the phone for McQueary and hand it over to him. Too many people did nothing.
    Amen. Its disgusting how many people lacked character when the chips were down. Whether or not they like or realize it, they are involved and failed to do the right thing when they could have. I hope they are prosecuted. Sadly I am not holding my breath.

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    Absolutely. Hear, hear.Amen. Its disgusting how many people lacked character when the chips were down. Whether or not they like or realize it, they are involved and failed to do the right thing when they could have. I hope they are prosecuted. Sadly I am not holding my breath.
    The saddest thing about this entire sick media circus is that the one guy we are all hearing the least about is the only guy that was butt f*cking 10 year old boys. Jerry Sandusky is out on bail, and has been almost an afterthought in the American media. All the while everyone's ready to crucify anyone else having anything to do with Penn State football over the last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlb81 View Post
    What I gathered from his remarks is the homosexuality of the situation is not a surprise due to the sports thing..
    Wait what??? The homosexuality due to the sports thing? Why are you guys so hung up gay people? This is not about gay or straight, period. This is about pedophiles taking advantage of kids. Correct? Or am I missing something about all football players and all coaches being gay and trying to jump on every butt hole around? Like cm374 said, you guys are way off topic.

    ps - just to keep things off topic, let's bring up the machoist jheterosexual man of all, 2x Super Bowl MVP of the New England Patriots, Tom Brady!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    The saddest thing about this entire sick media circus is that the one guy we are all hearing the least about is the only guy that was butt f*cking 10 year old boys. Jerry Sandusky is out on bail, and has been almost an afterthought in the American media. All the while everyone's ready to crucify anyone else having anything to do with Penn State football over the last 20 years.
    You have an excellent point and I can't argue it. However in the back of everyone's mind we all know that Sandusky will be dealt with. Regardless, we are all too influenced by the media (myself included despite my conscious efforts to avoid just that).

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    Sandusky is a worthless piece of sh*t and should rot in hell. That's pretty obvious and goes without saying. What is especially appalling and therefore garnering attention is normal people deciding to ignore the situation. The absurdity of the willingness of the other people to ignore the situation is rightfully raising people's ire. That, along with their celebrity, is why attention is focusing on them. Their behavior is especially appalling because they could have done the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm374 View Post
    Whoa this has gotten way off track. Being gay is definitely NOT the same thing as being a pedophile. I'm not gay, but even I find it offensive that you're making that parallel. Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but that seems to be the connection that you're drawing MCS.

    Edit: In regards to MCS's comments
    I was simply clarifying for the person who asked for it.

    No hate here for the gay community.

    What the original intent was, is this. Being that there's this noted homophobic element in stick and ball sports, paired with being so macho, the ability to choose and live ones truly "correct" sexuality can prove difficult. That being the case, it can develop the distinct potential to get twisted beyond a private, personal choice, and ends up coming out as some horrific aberration, such as pedophilia.

    If you aren't allowed to be who you are in a group, it comes out in other ways, often less desirable than the original.

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    Why didn't McQuery do anything (other than tell the head coach) when he saw the crime?
    I've seen behavior like this all my life. Maybe it's because I was once a police officer, but I always get involved, when I witness a crime. I run down shoplifters and follow drunk drivers as I contact the local police. There can be some risk in taking on criminals, but it's what I feel citizens should do.

    I'm not as large a guy as McQuery but I could not have witnessed a child getting sodomized without severely beating the perpetrator, quite likely going too far. It's a crime in progress and simply walking off to report it insures the assault will continue and evidence will be lost.

    It's been many years since I worked as a police officer. I remember all those incident reports with the line; only as much force was used as was necessary to effect the arrest.

    When it comes to child molesters, the police would be very forgiving had McQuery sent Sandusky to intensive care with life threatening injuries. In fact, had McQuery had attacked Sandusky, the police would certainly have become involved and the total number of victims reduced with Sandusky's imprisonment.

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    All the parties involved perpetrating or enabling these crimes should do the honorable thing and eat a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I was simply clarifying for the person who asked for it.

    No hate here for the gay community.

    What the original intent was, is this. Being that there's this noted homophobic element in stick and ball sports, paired with being so macho, the ability to choose and live ones truly "correct" sexuality can prove difficult. That being the case, it can develop the distinct potential to get twisted beyond a private, personal choice, and ends up coming out as some horrific aberration, such as pedophilia.

    If you aren't allowed to be who you are in a group, it comes out in other ways, often less desirable than the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I was simply clarifying for the person who asked for it.

    No hate here for the gay community.

    What the original intent was, is this. Being that there's this noted homophobic element in stick and ball sports, paired with being so macho, the ability to choose and live ones truly "correct" sexuality can prove difficult. That being the case, it can develop the distinct potential to get twisted beyond a private, personal choice, and ends up coming out as some horrific aberration, such as pedophilia.

    If you aren't allowed to be who you are in a group, it comes out in other ways, often less desirable than the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    All the parties involved perpetrating or enabling these crimes should do the honorable thing and eat a gun.
    Sandusky is looking at over 100 years behind bars. He may be using this time to say goodbye to his family and sign his property over to them. Then, rather than have to sit in a courtroom and listen to testimony regarding the specific details of his crimes, he may well take the easy way out. He will not be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I was simply clarifying for the person who asked for it.

    Being that there's this noted homophobic element in stick and ball sports, paired with being so macho, the ability to choose and live ones truly "correct" sexuality can prove difficult. That being the case, it can develop the distinct potential to get twisted beyond a private, personal choice, and ends up coming out as some horrific aberration, such as pedophilia.

    If you aren't allowed to be who you are in a group, it comes out in other ways, often less desirable than the original.

    Got me now?
    No. I really don't understand your point. I think its obvious that you do not like popular sports. Easy enough to understand. However, your arguments connecting macho attitudes, homophobia, homosexual desire, and pedophelia are confusing (can't believe I just typed all those words in one sentence!).

    In the above quote you explain that popular sports are filed with homophobia. Earlier in this thread you said, "Jocks having so much latent, twisted, pent up homosexual desire, that they need to take it out on little boys." Are they homphobic or are they ****? How do you know these things? Have there been studies on this? Or is this just opinion based on seeing guys pat eachother on the buts.

    What does all of this have to do with popular sports? ARe there no gay or pedophile bikers bikers? Are saying there's a link between being gay and being a pedophile, because I don't think there is. Pedo's go to places where they have access to kids. Sandusky did this via his charity org and football camps. Not because of big time football (that certainly gave him power to create this org). Catholic church gave priests power and access to kids. Boy Scouts did too. Those arn't necessarily macho, but they do have the 2 things these predators use: power and kids.

    "What I gathered from his remarks is the homosexuality of the situation is not a surprise due to the sports thing." -rlb81. C'mon dude, explain!

    I'd be interested in some clarifications from Mendon or rlb81 and rocker who have rubber stamped his posts but not offered much explanation.

    If the Pats lose to the Jets today I think I may be off the pro sports bandwagon. Til next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    "What I gathered from his remarks is the homosexuality of the situation is not a surprise due to the sports thing." -rlb81. C'mon dude, explain!
    I was simply offering my understanding of what was posted by MCS. I didn't read it as gay bashing or linking homosexuality to pedophilia as was suggested in a previous post.

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    And FWIW I don't think anyone is "hung up on the gay thing" or saying anything anti-gay, people are simply commenting on the fact that there was a gay pedophile involved in sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post



    I'd be interested in some clarifications from Mendon or rlb81 and rocker who have rubber stamped his posts but not offered much explanation.

    If the Pats lose to the Jets today I think I may be off the pro sports bandwagon. Til next week.
    I believe MCS explained pretty well what he meant, and I believe there is some truth in what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlb81 View Post
    What I gathered from his remarks is the homosexuality of the situation is not a surprise due to the sports thing.
    Ok, I've asked you three times to explain your statement above and somehow you dance around the question. Your statement above does not make sense and you cannot explain it.

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    what it all boils down to is that there are cretins male and female, gay and straight who like to prey on children in all walks of life. some are pro athletes, some are high level government and military officials. some are actors and some drive the stereotypical child molester van, like tree frog johnson did. (Similar cases exist, but few were held so long - SFGate)

    when we see these freaks doing what they ought not be doing, it's our job as decent human beings to get law enforcement involved.

    unfortunately, some people and institutions both here in the united states and everywhere else on the planet feel that they're immune to the rule of law and hold many people under their sway...individuals who are afraid to do the right thing under the pain of demotion, firing, the wholesale destruction of their reputations or in extreme cases, death.

    and that's the root of the problem in the case...we're looking at a whole bunch of people who did the three-monkeys-see-nothing-hear nothing-say nothing thing to save their own asses and to protect the almighty university, its demigod of a football coach and its precious cash cow of a football program.

    i've been saying for a long time now that the NCAA needs to be disbanded and college athletics be rebuilt and reorganized from the ground up but i'm always labeled as a crackpot. shameful situations like this one at penn state just add fuel to that fire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I believe MCS explained pretty well what he meant, and I believe there is some truth in what he said.
    He did? Well I'd like to believe I'm at least average if not of above-average intelligence but I do not understand his explanations and his contradictions You have agreed with everything he said but you can't articulate it in your own words? I"m not trying to start a pissing match, I'm really just trying to understand your points on things like this, that you apparently agree with:

    "Jocks having so much latent, twisted, pent up homosexual desire, that they need to take it out on little boys."

    Can you explain that rockerc, because I don't understand it?

    Nice explanation, Shekky, makes sense. My vote is to send this to the recycle bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    Ok, I've asked you three times to explain your statement above and somehow you dance around the question. Your statement above does not make sense and you cannot explain it.
    OK let me make it very simple.

    MCS posted this
    cm374 posted this taking offense to someone linking homosexuality with being a pedophile.
    I posted this, but allow me to re-phrase it:

    I did not read the statement by MCS as a link between being gay and being a pedophile (this was directed at cm374's statement of "Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but that seems to be the connection that you're drawing MCS"). MY interpretation was that the homosexual (male on male) aspect of Sandusky's acts were not surprising given the perceived homosexual undertones of jocks.

    I don't know how to break it down more clearly.


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    Nice explanation, Shekky, makes sense. My vote is to send this to the recycle bin.
    Why? This is a pretty straight forward debate that was free of trolling.

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    Ill just say this briefly: Pedophilia has no connection at all to being gay and no its not a "aberration" of it. Now thats out of the way. I can see why people say joe should have been fired or at least punished in some way but my question is why is he fired and the guy that frigging saw it still employed? Hes on administrative leave... So he possibly(not likely though) could come back to work. In my opinion he should have been the first to be publicly fired and brought up on charges of at least child endangerment at the least and accessory to statutory rape if not worse.

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    He did? Well I'd like to believe I'm at least average if not of above-average intelligence but I do not understand his explanations and his contradictions You have agreed with everything he said but you can't articulate it in your own words? I"m not trying to start a pissing match, I'm really just trying to understand your points on things like this, that you apparently agree with:

    "Jocks having so much latent, twisted, pent up homosexual desire, that they need to take it out on little boys."

    Can you explain that rockerc, because I don't understand it?

    Nice explanation, Shekky, makes sense. My vote is to send this to the recycle bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlb81 View Post
    My interpretation was that the homosexual (male on male) aspect of Sandusky's acts were not surprising given the perceived homosexual undertones of jocks.

    I don't know how to break it down more clearly..
    Ok, I completely disagree with your opinion and I respect your right to it. I was traveling when this story broke and I followed it on the national media quite a bit: ESPN, CNN, USA today, etc. Every time I turned on the tv there were new updates, plenty of op eds, interviews, and so on. When I"m home I've always got sports radio on in Boston and we have actually have two full time 24 hour stations I also read the Boston Globe and Boston Herald front to back (not just the sports section) and never, through all of those media sources and all of those articles and stories and interviews did anyone come up with any opinions or views that remotely resemble yours. My guess is that if someone tried to write a letter to an editor linking "perceived homosexual undertones of jocks." to this story, it would never be considered to be published as it is such an extreme view with little if no proof to back it up. The only place I've ever heard this is from a few guys on mtbr, but I guess that's what keeps this place interesting. I think we all agree these events are horrific and that all involved should be dealt with to the full extent of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlb81 View Post
    ...MY interpretation was that the homosexual (male on male) aspect of Sandusky's acts were not surprising given the perceived homosexual undertones of jocks...


    and let's be clear (as stated by other, earlier posters)....pedophilia and being homosexual have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

    it's like equating rape and sex....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    Ok, I completely disagree with your opinion and I respect your right to it
    The only problem is that it's not my opinion. This is merely my understanding of what someone else wrote. If I tell my friend about a book I read I don't become the author. I can agree, disagree, or relay my understanding without giving my opinion which is what I've done here.

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    and let's be clear (as stated by other, earlier posters)....pedophilia and being homosexual have absolutely nothing to do with each other
    Dude that's me putting my head into my hands. I never said there was a relation to being a homosexual and a pedophile. All I'm saying is that Sandusky is both of these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    I think we all agree these events are horrific and that all involved should be dealt with to the full extent of the law.
    Yes we can all agree with that. I just want to be clear that the gay/jock thing is not my idea or opinion. Also I don't really see where anyone has implied that gays are pedophiles. I think people see those two words in the same sentence and jump to conclusions. It's like saying the word "black" in front of a black person makes you a racist to some people. It's a knee jerk reaction to buzz words that we've been conditioned to think are dirty or unacceptable. Sure, we can pile all these words together to say some horrific things but most times that isn't the intent of the author. We all need to take the time to read, re-read, then make sure we understand what's being said before jumping to conclusions. And this is by no means an attack on anyone here asking questions, it's just my observation that we're a very knee-jerk society.

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    Sorry but I disagree you bastard! Just joking, well about the bastard part anyways. The person said about the gay stuff and all warping into being a pedo. Sorry but that isnt true. You can be married have kids and still like having sex with little boys/girls. Being a pedo does not equal being gay nor vice versa. Yes there are probably gay pedos out there but being one does not turn you into the other.

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    While pedophilia is not necessarily homosexual, it can be. Pederastic behavior is homosexual. Being homosexual does not predispose a person to being either of those.

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    While pedophilia is not necessarily homosexual, it can be. Pederastic behavior is homosexual. Being homosexual does not predispose a person to being either of those.
    Thats maybe true if they go for boys. But if they go for females then I doubt it falls under homosexuality. But Ill be honest I could be wrong. And Ill say this...There have been many pedophiles out there that have been married to a woman have kids with said woman yet still had that perversion. And the opposite will be true too of the female predators.

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    this thread has run it's course.

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    ugh. this topic has made me so sad. so many powerless kids. That school, foundation, and community has failed in so many ways. Banning him from bringing kids to campus but never enforcing that ban? Taking the kids to bowl games and hotel rooms and nobody did anything?

    The is a great failure by every adult in that program. According to news reports, the Campus Police Chief also told a campus detective to stop investigating an even earlier complaint. They all failed. Turning a blind eye may make Joe and others criminally non responsible but really, morally, they all failed to do the decent thing.

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    Tip toeing into thread:

    Franco Harris loses job for standing up for Paterno:

    Franco Harris stands by his old coach, and loses his new job - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF*Blog - Yahoo! Sports


    Now I have to throw in my opinion;

    Paterno should have done more, but he is being way over villianized. He isn't the rapist, nor did he witness it.
    Didn't Michael Jackson admit on TV to sleeping with little kids? And he was accused of molestation before he paid his way out of it? And that pervert is constantly being praised, given tributes and posthumous awards for being a legend, an icon, the best, etc.

    Paterno villian, Jackson hero? That's screwed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Tip toeing into thread:

    Franco Harris loses job for standing up for Paterno:

    Franco Harris stands by his old coach, and loses his new job - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF*Blog - Yahoo! Sports


    Now I have to throw in my opinion;

    Paterno should have done more, but he is being way over villianized. He isn't the rapist, nor did he witness it.
    Didn't Michael Jackson admit on TV to sleeping with little kids? And he was accused of molestation before he paid his way out of it? And that pervert is constantly being praised, given tributes and posthumous awards for being a legend, an icon, the best, etc.

    Paterno villian, Jackson hero? That's screwed up.
    Even worse! It's all about a buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lule View Post
    Even worse! It's all about a buck.
    Your comment isn't clear, but I think you mean that Paterno is worse than Jackson because he was motivated by money?

    Do we even know Paterno's side of the story? I have heard this theory before, but I don't see how Paterno would be that concerned about losing an assistant coach. There are a lot of unanswered questions. It's hard to understand what Paterno was thinking, but until Paterno explains it himself, we just don't know.
    What we do know, is that Michael Jackson was a child molestor, and it seems that his reputation is untarnished by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Paterno . . . is being way over villianized.
    Perhaps you are overlooking the fact that he failed to properly report Sandusky for nearly a decade after learning what he did to victim 2, according to the grand jury report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler View Post
    Perhaps you are overlooking the fact that he continued to work with Sandusky for nearly a decade after learning what he did to victim 2, according to the grand jury report.
    Sorry, but I am not completely up on the details of all this, but I thought Sandusky was already off the team in 2002, and just had an office there (for some reason?). So if that is the case, Paterno wasn't working with him, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Sorry, but I am not completely up on the details of all this, but I thought Sandusky was already off the team in 2002, and just had an office there (for some reason?). So if that is the case, Paterno wasn't working with him, right?
    Yes, you're right, I will edit my statement. I only ready the report and know next to nothing about football so I didn't realize Sandusky no longer worked for Penn State, as stupid as that might sound. However, the fact remains that Paterno learned about what happened to victim 2 from a first hand witness and failed to contact police or follow up on his own report to Tim Curley. This complicit behavior allowed Sandusky to continue victimizing other boys, which is absolutely unconscionable.

    By the way, here's a link in case you haven't read the report:

    http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

    If you can stomach it, read page six and seven and see if you still feel the same way about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Your comment isn't clear, but I think you mean that Paterno is worse than Jackson because he was motivated by money?

    Do we even know Paterno's side of the story? I have heard this theory before, but I don't see how Paterno would be that concerned about losing an assistant coach. There are a lot of unanswered questions. It's hard to understand what Paterno was thinking, but until Paterno explains it himself, we just don't know.
    What we do know, is that Michael Jackson was a child molestor, and it seems that his reputation is untarnished by that.
    You are reading way too far into this comment. People like Paterno and Jackson do what they do (or don't do or hide doing) because of money. Getting it, keeping it, or losing it, money is a wicked motivator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    joe pa will probably expire within two years; football is all the man knows...
    Morbidly good call...
    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    RIP Mr Paterno. You will be dearly missed.

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    I'm sure there are a handful of people who wont miss him
    Negative rep, please.

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    Wait. That was a false report! Jo Pa is still alive!

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    Ok, now he's dead.

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