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    Quote Originally Posted by dead_dog_canyon View Post
    I guess your mom never gave you the memo about not discussing politics and religion with strangers.

    If you are looking for trouble, you WILL find it.

    Bought a gun at a flee market and conceal carried? Humm... Really? The laws vary from state to state. Did you study the laws of each 25 states to see if you were in compliance? Probably committed a felony along the way. Post pictures or it didn't happen...
    That's funny...posting pictures. I had my Canadian gun licence, but no one asked to see it, no background checks at flea markets either.

    Picked up a nice older military issue Colt model 1911 with two mags for $800.00, could have bought a Tech 9 with a 30 round clip for the same price.

    Friends of ours got robbed at gun point in New Orleans during Mardi Gras...3 couples from Canada out for a good time, lost everything, passports, credit cards, cash...even their Canadian cash. I think I'll break a few laws to stay safe.

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    Seems sensible, tossing a gun in a dumpster! Ever thought you might be part of the problems you mention?
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    Round and round we go

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    i guess i should be mad or worried. but i'm really not. No illegal stuff or kiddie porn going on in my life so i'm not worried they'll care about me or what i'm doing. yawn. i guess i should be madder. i'm just bored with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, i think they have there hands full with 2.3 BILLION Muslims on the planet, in 20 years there will be 4 billion, have a think about that.....
    send them to the moon. its nice and cold so they wont have any trouble telling their women to double-bag it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Scary point to ponder: Why collect data that proves nothing, but does so about everyone, unless the whole point is to build an infrastructure where anyone can be targeted? And don't think I didn't consider that before making this post.
    From an IT perspective, it makes perfect sense. You data warehouse ALL the data you might possibly find useful in the future. Categorized and indexed in an efficient manner for querying and analyzing, so you can get useful data back quickly when you need it. They find a person who is suspicious, and they go look up all information about them for the past X years.

    I don't genuinely believe that this was being done for negative reasons. But the fact remains that it's a violation of the 4th Ammendment and therefore an invasion of privacy. While it's never been upheld in court, I believe that conversations on the telephone, over email, or text message constitute a reasonable expectation of privacy. Just like in the privacy of your own home, you have a right to expect any conversations within to be private. Status updates, tweets, etc. are a completely different story and are more like speaking with someone out in public. Anyone can hear and you DO NOT have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

    Wiretaps should be legal, but not without warrant and probable cause as per the 4th Ammendment:

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    1. Warrant-less wiretaps and surveillance of my private communications are unreasonable, as no warrant exists.
    2. They are seizing my communications and associated private data which may be valuable trade secrets, or damaging personal matters. That is my property.
    3. They are searching my "house", which in this case is open to interpretation.
    3. The do not have probable cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    i guess i should be mad or worried. but i'm really not. No illegal stuff or kiddie porn going on in my life so i'm not worried they'll care about me or what i'm doing. yawn. i guess i should be madder. i'm just bored with it.
    Hopefully their data analysis doesn't return a false positive on you or anyone you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    That's funny....
    You know whats funny?? You have 6666 posts!
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.

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    Specialized sucks ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing View Post
    Hopefully their data analysis doesn't return a false positive on you or anyone you know.
    Precisely why everyone should be concerned.

    We even have a President with the lawful right, as granted by the new and improved Patriot Act, to kill any person, at any time, in any location, simply for the act of being suspected of being a threat to security interests.

    Of course, he won't do it, right?

    Oh, wait, he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    It started with Nixon and now your Constitution is no longer operative...just a piece of paper that Bush flushed down your toilet.

    At least in Canada we have no rights so there's no need to live the hypocrisy of "democracy and freedom".

    Sadly, the America we knew, loved, and looked up to is just a memory..
    I'll suggest that your historical perspective is shorted by many decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
    i guess i should be mad or worried. but i'm really not. No illegal stuff or kiddie porn going on in my life so i'm not worried they'll care about me or what i'm doing. yawn. i guess i should be madder. i'm just bored with it.
    Makes sense ... Ever heard of someone who was falsly convicted, and decades later released ?

    This story is about creating a guilty society, and the tools that can be used to convict anyone, of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    There was a US Supreme Court decision years ago (Clinton era) which held that "pen registers" i.e., listings of what numbers called what other numbers and for how long, were not privacy protected under the Constitution. That caused an outrage enough that our Congress got off its a$$ and enacted laws making that illegal. Much of what became the Patriot Act was drafted in the Clinton era and did not pass because it would have expanded the government's ability to collect data/ spy on citizens. That all went out the window with the Patriot Act.

    Since the Patriot Act we've been operating in this world of legislating by executive orders (something that Obama said he wouldn't do) and closed government process (Obama ran on a transparency platform) and the government telling us it wants certain powers but then vaguely saying it isn't using them (the NSA wiretapping scandal) or that it won't use them (indefinite detention of citizens under the NDAA).

    In effect, our government does not operate like our government should anymore, and that is dangerous to all of us. If the wrong circumstances arise and the wrong administration gets into power, we could become the opposite of what the founding fathers said we should be.

    And the whole point of the Constitution wasn't that we should have to trust the government to not misuse powers - it was to keep powers from the government. This is something that is rare among governments and those who come from Europe or its colonies (eg Australia) may understand it but not really "get it." Sadly, a lot of Americans no longer think in these terms, either.

    These kinds of Constitutional issues are a hobby of mine but this is serious bizness.
    You've covered the base's pretty well.

    Currently we have a system in place that ANY dictator would love to abuse.
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